Detailed Timeline.... August 16 - 31, 2005.... the start of the long road of the assassination of Aruba - Dutch "justice"

The Natalee Holloway Timeline

of her vanishment while in Aruba

detailing persons, places, organizations,

deliberate & accidental actions & in-actions,

events & supposed events, witnesses,

known suspects, outright lies,

corruptions, and crimes

8-16-05

If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?

On 8-16 CARLOS A. RAMOS stated to the ARUBAN Police:
(Thank You and Hat Tip to the “Scared Monkeys blog" and “Debbie”)

PROCESS – VERBAAL We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS, head agent and under inspector at the Korps Police force Aruba, former classified at the team particular projects and last at the section criminal organizations classified, explain the following. On Monday, August 16, 2005, around 14:15, the man named: Carlos Alberto PENATA RAMOS, Also known as "Compa", born at Cartagena in Colombia on February 25, 1979, of profession gardener (family MANSUR) and living L.G. Smith boulevard xxxxxxxxxx on Aruba, by the judge-commissar Mr. J.S. KUIPERDAL at the Court bldg. at J.G. Emanstraat number 51 on Aruba, as witness in the matter of the missing American girl named "Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY". After this interrogation, in the guard chamber at the Court, C.A. PENATA RAMOS gave this statement: - that the judge-commissar, during the interrogation, he authorized him to go to the w.c.: - that he saw two (2) young persons sitting (in car?) on a bank: - that he recognized those two young persons as those of which, with the Dutch boy who were in the photograph in the newspapers (with the Dutch boy he meant JVDS): - that he also recognized the gray car the boys were the Salinja in and: - that the two young persons appearance had changed but that he still nevertheless recognized them: Of what our, statement, on oath of office made up this warrant, and has been signed at Oranjestad on August 16, 2005 has been closed. Signed, DD JACOBS E.L. SOEMERS



On 8-16 GOLBA stated to FOX News that he has spoken with ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN and ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN agrees that the government action to cover-up the landfill hole on 8-15 was a mistake, and she has arranged it so that will not happen again, so GOLBA’s team can continue to dig in that landfill location. GOLBA stated that today they also searched the drained pond near the “Aruba Racquet Club” and that ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN was also present with them. GOLBA stated that to search the landfill properly they need more resources. GOLBA spoke with ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN today, and asked her flat out for more help at the landfill. GOLBA feels confident that ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN will help them.
On 8-16 DAVE HOLLOWAY (who is in the UNITED STATES) stated to FOX News that the family “was told around June 14th that NATALEE may be dead. Even with the suitcase full of lies that have been told, we do hold a thread of hope that we’ll have a miracle, and that she’s out there, somewhere.”
On 8-16 PAUL REYNOLDS said his mother, ANN REYNOLD’s, NATALEE’s grandmother, is now in ARUBA (she arrived sometime during the week of 8-8). PAUL also said another experienced search person from MASSACHUSETTS and an associate of his have arrived in ARUBA. PAUL thanked “Texas EquuSearch” and the 70 persons he said “TE” has had in ARUBA. PAUL said the fire in the landfill last week was suspicious.
On 8-16 JOSSY MANSUR stated the forearm found in VENEZUELA had no flesh on it, started from the elbow end, and included the bones of the hand and fingers. He said the bones washed up on a beach at Las Pierdras, VENEZUELA, which is about 18 to 20 miles from ARUBA. The bones were found by a dog which took them to its owner, who notified VENEZUELAN Police. He said that oceanography experts he has spoken to have indicated that they think the forearm bones can only be NATALEE’s if her body was first put in the ocean some distance away from ARUBA.
On 8-16 JOSSY MANSUR stated that Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE text-messaged someone in the UNITED STATES at 3:00 AM on May 30, 2005. He said it would take 25-30 minutes to drive from “Carlos 'N Charlie's" to the “Marriott Hotel” beach. He said that it would take the Current Murder Suspects KALPOE’s less than 30 minutes to drive from the “Marriott Hotel” beach, to their home. He does not know if a new DNA sample has been requested/obtained from any of the Murder Suspects (for possible comparison to the pants belt found recently near the lighthouse)
On 8-25 ART WOOD reported he talked with the ARUBAN Police about the pants belt found near the “California” lighthouse by GOLBA. ART WOOD was told by ROY TROMP that the ARUBAN Police determined--on their own, without any forensic testing ever even being completed--that the belt was too old to have been Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s, and that is the reason the ARUBAN Police have never sent the belt to HOLLAND for forensic testing.
From page 3 of the early November 2005 letter sent by NATALEE’s Loved Ones to ARUBAN law enforcement in which the family asked for specific persons to be replaced: “Art Wood states that Jacobs and Police Chief Dompig discarded potential evidence discovered near the lighthouse: belt and some plastic items. A shoulder bone with meat on it was found near the California lighthouse and discounted by Dennis Jacobs as a donkey bone. Art Wood contends that it is a human bone.”
On 8-16 CNN reported that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was last interrogated by the DUTCH interrogation specialists on 8-11.
On 8-16 CNN reported that the ARUBAN Police said that when they inspected the bottom of Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE's “Honda” car and determined that there were no visible marks of ground scuffs, indicating the car had not been driven over rough, uneven terrain.
On August 16, 2005 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that that--ACCORDING TO WHAT TITO LACLE WAS TOLD BY THE DEFENSE LAWYERS--on 8-15 when the gardener witness testified there were elements of his story that have changed. TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that according to the defense lawyers records of text messages show that Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE were at their home when they sent/received the text messages.
On 8-16 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that TITO LACLE was told by an ARUBA Minister, BOOSHI WEVER, that the fire in the landfill last week was started by “Texas EquuSearch” team members. (TITO LACLE did not say if it was unintentionally started, or deliberate) The Minister told TITO LACLE that “because of ‘problems with Texas EquuSearch’ access to the landfill was then stopped until further notice.” (since resolved, according to GOLBA). TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that the Minister did not know that “Texas EquuSearch” had left ARUBA, and the Minister did not know that GOLBA was from a different search team.
On 8-16 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that on 8-16 there was a radio talk show discussion where it was stated that there is being organized by the ARUBAN people another protest of the UNITED STATES media coverage of NATALEE’s disappearance, and once the protest permit is authorized, the protest will occur (probably near 8-18 or 8-19)
On 8-16 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated if the authorities had spent as much time investigating and destroying the credibility of the Main and Current Murder Suspects stories as the defense lawyers apparently did yesterday to the gardener witness claims, resolution of the case might be much further along.
On 8-16 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that on 7-15 she sent letters to many authorities persons of the ARUBA “legislative, judicial, and administrative branches” simply requesting to be kept better informed. BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated she has not received a single response to any of her letters (not even a letter or phone call response to simply acknowledge receipt of her letter).
On 8-16 RICARDO YARZAGARAY said that during a hearing or a trial the judge can “cut and paste” elements of a witness or suspects testimony that the judge decides to believe or not.
On 8-16 CADMUS told MSNBC that she is a girl friend of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT living in NEW JERSEY. 18 years old. Her parents and her visited ARUBA and became friends with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and his parents. Have returned to ARUBA and lived with the Murder Suspects SLOOT’s for 3 weeks sometime before NATALEE vanished. She admits she has seen Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT drunk, but she has never seen him violent. She says he drinks at, “Parties, clubs. Nothing out of the ordinary. Everybody knows teenagers drink. They’re going to drink. That’s how kids are these days. Nothing out of the ordinary — a normal teenage boy.”
On 8-16 FOX News reported that the landfill search will resume on 8-17. (presumably by GOLBA)
On 8-16 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police
On 8-16 MSNBC reported:

Aruba investigation comes to N.J.
Mother and daughter come to van der Sloot's defense
Dutch police are still holding Joran van der Sloot in connection with the Natalee Holloway case. van der Sloot reportedly told investigators conflicting stories about what happened the night the Alabama teen disappeared.
Cathy and Shelby Cadmus, a mother and daughter from New Jersey, recently came to the Aruba teen's defense. These family friends describe his personality and why they believe his story in an “Abrams Report” exclusive.
DAN ABRAMS, ‘THE ABRAMS REPORT' HOST: Tell me how you met Joran?
CATHY CADMUS: Through my daughter Shelby.
ABRAMS: And how did that happen?
SHELBY CADMUS: I was just hanging out by the pool with one of my friends who I came to Aruba with, and I saw Joran hanging around the Marriott with a group of his friends as well. We were both looking at each other, you know, girl-guy flirtation, eye contact. We both sort of approached each other at the same time. We started talking. We both had the same interests: soccer, music and everything. So we just hung out pretty much every day by the pool and played monkey-in-the-middle in the pool, normal kids stuff.
ABRAMS: And you got to know him pretty well over time, meaning even when you’re not in Aruba, you’re regularly e-mailing him, et cetera?
S. CADMUS: Yes. Once I got home, we e-mailed and everything. I was very infatuated by him. He’s a very romantic guy. I mean, he had a list of top 10 things he wanted to do in his life, and number one was “sit under the stars with one I love.” That’s just the kind of guy he was.
ABRAMS: You say infatuated with him, et cetera. Did you all date?
S. CADMUS: Yes. Well, the first night I met him, one of his friends and my friend and I went to the movies together and they paid, a double date, just a fun night, and then just walked around the center of town in Aruba.
ABRAMS: But was that the extent of it? The question of course is, what is Joran like? And people have been asking questions about what is he like in that context. Were you dating him at any point, would you know another side of him that someone who’s just friends with him might not?
S. CADMUS: I mean, no. I mean, I know just the same as his friends know. He’s a normal teenage guy who just is living a normal teenage life.
ABRAMS: And you guys know the parents?
C. CADMUS: I got to know the parents and Joran very well during that week. He was a very impressionable young man. He was lovely. He was open. What I like about meeting my kids’ friends is that they look you in the eye when they talk to you.
And he did. He would come over to the pool and talk with my husband and myself, sit and eat lunch with us. He was lovely and very bright and intelligent, and he would hold good conversations.
Then we got to meet the parents very well over the summer, e-mailing and phone calls back and forth. Because they were both so interested in soccer, we looked for a soccer camp for them to attend during the summer.
ABRAMS: It’s gotten to the point now where, they came to visit you at your house. You went back and saw them in Aruba after that. And you’ve been actually staying in contact with Joran’s mother throughout this whole process, haven’t you?
C. CADMUS: Yes, I have. Even before this.
Actually, we were quite close contact right before all of this happened because I was asking her to send me a map for a friend who’s going to Aruba in October for her honeymoon. And then all of this started transpiring, and that’s when we were e-mailing back and forth a lot more than we have in the past.
ABRAMS: What has she been saying?
C. CADMUS: Very little. She doesn’t talk about the case a lot for obvious reasons — she can’t. And I respect her for that. She’s being very careful what she says. She believes in her son. We believe in him.
I just think it’s impossible to think that this child could do anything that the news media is saying he has done or possibly could have done. We don’t believe it.
ABRAMS: We don’t know. I mean, look, I have no idea what happened, what didn’t happen. He might get released next month for all we know.
All the authorities are saying is that he has told inconsistent stories about what happened that night, initially saying that he wasn’t even with her — then saying yes, he did drop her off, and now we’re hearing new stories that he’s saying that maybe it was one of his friends who did it, et cetera.
At the very least, they’re saying he’s told a lot of different stories.
C. CADMUS: Well, first of all, in Aruba, all of these transcripts are under lock and key, so nobody really knows what Joran said.
Secondly, my three children said the same thing to me. If at 2:30, three o’clock in the morning you have the police and a bunch of people at your door, where is my daughter, where is my daughter? You’re not home. Your father finds out you’re not home because you’re supposed to be home.
ABRAMS: He wasn’t arrested for many days.
C. CADMUS: No, he wasn’t. But because they’re questioning where she was, he’s starting to panic, Oh my God, what happened to her? So he made up this story. He figured it was easier just to say, I left her at the Holiday Inn.
I’m speculating. We don’t really know what was said in the transcripts, nobody does except for the prosecutor.
ABRAMS: Does Anita have any sense? I mean, does she have a theory as to why he’s being held? It sounds like what you’re saying is that she believes and you believe that there is no evidence.
C. CADMUS: To our knowledge, there is no evidence. He’s the last person admittedly to be with her. They have to find somebody, so the blame is being put on him, because there is no one else. Who else do they have right now?
ABRAMS: Well, there’s also Deepak and Satish, these two brothers. And one of the reports that came out was that Joran had actually said in a statement that he thought that Deepak might have done it.
C. CADMUS: I think that’s all hearsay.
I think there has been a lot of speculations and what-ifs. I mean, I can picture myself, if I was locked up and someone was accusing me of doing something I know I didn’t do — what if this happened? What if this happened?
ABRAMS: You ever see any violence on the part of Joran?
S. CADMUS: None. None at all.
ABRAMS: You ever see him drunk?
S. CADMUS: Yes, actually I have.
ABRAMS: And?
S. CADMUS: Not violent at all. A goofy, fun, funny drunk.
ABRAMS: He wasn’t one of these people — I mean, there are some people when they drink a lot, they really come to be different people than they were sober.
S. CADMUS: Not at all. Because I know people who do become different people when they’re drunk, and Joran is not one of them.
ABRAMS: Do you know how often he drinks? Sort of drinks to get drunk, et cetera?
S. CADMUS: Parties, clubs. Nothing out of the ordinary. Everybody knows teenagers drink. They’re going to drink. That’s how kids are these days. Nothing out of the ordinary — a normal teenage boy.
ABRAMS: Of course, shouldn’t say ordinary. All my viewers are going to say, how is it ordinary for teenagers to be drinking, et cetera.
C. CADMUS: Right.
ABRAMS: So when you heard that Joran was being held and that Joran was the chief suspect, what was the first thing you thought?
S. CADMUS: Shock. Because, I know him. It’s so weird for me, because why would he do anything when he is the kind of guy, he could — he’s a good-looking kid. He could have girls approach him easily. There’s no use for him — he doesn’t have to do anything to get a girl. He just has to be himself.
C. CADMUS: As a parent, I found him very protective of her, too. I found a very gentle-type soul. I didn’t find someone who was aggressive. And I don’t think he ever got aggressive with her in a romantic sense.
ABRAMS: Did you ever have anyone, you or anyone you know who saw Joran if he’d been rejected, for example? Was there a temper on him, et cetera?
C. CADMUS: You rejected him at one point and he was fine.
ABRAMS: Did you?
S. CADMUS: Yes.
ABRAMS: Tell me about that.
S. CADMUS: I wouldn’t be as attracted to him and the more, he lived with me for three weeks, so obviously, you know, you start fighting, and just minor fights, “Oh, you left your cereal bowl on the table, you have to clean up after yourself,” just minor fights. Obviously, we would become frustrated with each other living with each other for three weeks. And no violence, no anger at all, just very calm and subdued.
ABRAMS: And when you would reject advances, it sounds like Mom is suggesting that there was some point when you were no longer interested in him?
S. CADMUS: Toward the end of the three weeks, I wasn’t interested in him in a romantic way, more of just friends, and we got to know each other more over these three weeks and I saw him as a friend.
ABRAMS: How did he react to that?
S. CADMUS: I think he felt the same way about me.
ABRAMS: But no sense that there was the possibility for outbursts, et cetera, from him?
S. CADMUS: None at all. If anything, he just wanted to hug me and say, “I’m sorry things didn’t work out,” just very cuddling person, a very loving person.
ABRAMS: How did you leave it at the end of the three weeks?
S. CADMUS: Friends. Kept in touch.
ABRAMS: There’s been suggestions from Natalee’s mother that Joran and his friends would basically sit at this bar and prey on women.
C. CADMUS: You know, I feel sorry for Natalee’s mother. God knows, I have two girls and a boy, my heart breaks for her. I can’t imagine.
But I can take myself out of that picture and look outside the whole picture and the box and say, she’s groping at straws. I don’t think she has any other answers, and I’d probably be doing the same thing. That’s all she has to go on.
In order to keep this alive in the media, she needs to keep coming up with ideas and things.
Joran was a very bright young student. How could he have possibly gotten a scholarship to a college if he was busy sitting at bars all the time the way they’re making him out to be?
He was no different than my three children or any other teenagers I know today. Well, yes, they partied, they had a good time. But he knew when to stop and when to settle down and what else to do.
ABRAMS: What about his father, Paul?
C. CADMUS: A lovely man.
ABRAMS: He was arrested. The allegation, or the suggestion being that he may have provided the boys with information to do something that was...
C. CADMUS: The sad thing with Paul is that when he was first interviewed, I think everybody saw him profusely sweating, they all assumed right away he’s guilty and that was it.
When we first sat down to dinner with Paul and Anita in Aruba, Paul was sweating profusely. When my husband and I left, we both said, “Wow, he lives here and he’s not used to the heat, and we’re fine.” That’s the way he was.
He’s also a very quiet man, a very reserved man. He watches his words very carefully when he speaks. He did that with us when we sat down to dinner, maybe because his English isn’t as good as his wife’s. He’s a little bit more uncomfortable at speaking to people. I don’t know. I don’t know the answer. I’m guessing.
But that’s him. That’s who he is.
ABRAMS: How do you think Joran is faring behind bars?
S. CADMUS: Probably having a very hard time. I would too. If I was ever in his shoes, my story would probably keep changing. I would be nervous. You’re trying to find an answer as well.
ABRAMS: Based on what you know about him, how do you picture what it’s like for him behind bars right now?
S. CADMUS: I picture him being brave and strong and trying to live through it, doing the best he can.



On August 16, 2005 GODFRIED “Geoffrey” VAN CROMVOIRT attends his sisters graduation from ARUBAN Police training. He is photographed near his sister and when he is arrested April 15, 2006 as a Murder Suspect in NATALEE’s disappearance and for drugs dealings related to NATALEE’s disappearance, the August 16, 2005 dated photos showing him are presented to the public.

On 8-16 MSNBC reported:

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Plus, investigators stop searching that landfill for Natalee Holloway in Aruba. Apparently, there‘s not enough money or equipment to keep going. Does this mean they‘re giving up?
…
Coming up, new details in the search for Natalee Holloway, one of the brothers‘ attorneys—one of the brothers who are suspects in this case, attorneys says that a mystery witness who supposedly saw all three suspects together that night couldn‘t identify one of them.
And Natalee‘s grandmother speaks out. She‘s in Aruba helping Natalee‘s mom in the search.
…
ABRAMS: We‘re back now to the latest in the search for Natalee Holloway in
Aruba. We‘re learning new details about the credibility of that—quote -
· “witness” who gave sworn testimony yesterday, said he saw suspects Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers the night Natalee went missing.
Remember, they told police they were home sleeping at the time the witness allegedly saw them. And a team of searchers have been picking through a landfill hoping to find some shred of evidence about what happened to Natalee, but now that search has been called off reluctantly. Seems these private searchers have run out of resources and equipment before they could completely finish the job.
NBC‘s Michelle Kosinski is in Aruba. Michelle, thanks for joining us. All right, first, is this witness a bust? I mean does this just simply mean that the witness is a bust or is that jumping the gun a little bit?
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well we wish we could have heard his testimony ourselves. All of these proceedings, remember, are completely closed to outsiders and for weeks, prosecutors have been trying to get this guy to come to court. He‘s an illegal immigrant. They were afraid he was going to leave the country. But this is somebody whose testimony was considered so credible and so consistent early on that his statement caused the draining of this entire field over the period of several days by police and the FBI—they were also out there.
So they got him into court. They were afraid he was going to leave. They got a warrant for him. He tells his story. But defense attorneys are the ones who leave feeling very confident they say about his testimony. One of the defense attorneys tells us that they didn‘t feel he had very many details clearly remembered about that early morning when he said he saw all three suspects in a car together, that was the morning that Natalee disappeared, but also remember after the time the Kalpoe brothers said that they were already at home.
The defense attorney also said that he clearly remembered the rims on what he said was the Kalpoe brothers‘ car. The attorney asked well, if he was looking at the rims the whole time in the darkness, how did he see all of the faces so clearly. And they say in fact they don‘t think he saw those faces clearly because he couldn‘t pick Satish Kalpoe out of the photo line up.
ABRAMS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
KOSINSKI: Dan.
ABRAMS: All right, so—all right, issue two, the landfill. They really
· they‘re giving up the search? I‘m not saying that in an accusatory way, but is that the practical reality of what we‘re talking about?
KOSINSKI: For the time being, yes. They have had so many problems out there. Right now (UNINTELLIGIBLE) two small teams of searchers. One of them are local people and the others are people who came here from the United States after EquuSearch volunteers had to leave because they couldn‘t find anything.
So the local searches have had problems out there. They can‘t get enough equipment. They had a fire out there a couple of days ago that‘s still keeping them out of there, and they said here‘s the heartbreaking thing. They‘ve spent weeks tirelessly searching over there in these horrible conditions, 10-hour days in the sun and the stench of this landfill, but they‘re using one backhoe and they say all they can do is watch what falls out of the digger on that backhoe.
And what they should be using are rakes. They need more manpower, so they feel like it could be a case where they spent so much time working out there and they still never know if Natalee is there or not. So these other searchers who are still here from the United States who also say they need more resources, sat down and met with the top prosecutor today, asked her flat out for more help.
They say they need it. They also told us they left feeling very confident that she would help them. But the court system told us via e-mail only that nothing has been decided yet and that if they felt they needed to search the dump again and if police needed some help doing that, that they would do what they can to have those local searchers and other searchers possibly involved as well.
ABRAMS: All right, Michelle, finally you‘ve gotten an opportunity to speak to more family members. Tell us about it.
KOSINSKI: What was that, Dan?
ABRAMS: I was saying that you‘d had an opportunity to speak to more family members, right? And I was just saying you could tell us about it.
KOSINSKI: That‘s right. That‘s right. Yes, Natalee‘s mother has been here, and all these ups and downs, of course, have been really hard on the family, but now she has a new source of strength here on the island with her. Her own mother is here.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
ANN REYNOLDS, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S GRANDMOTHER: She told me in the very beginning that she‘d rather that I didn‘t come. She said this is no place for you, mom. I knew that she was busy, she was upset.
KOSINSKI: Now, Ann Reynolds is in Aruba, as desperate as her daughter, Beth to know what happened to her granddaughter, Natalee.
REYNOLDS: I‘m just furious. Just absolutely furious.
KOSINSKI: This mother and daughter are so close, they really do finish each other‘s sentences.
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: You really can‘t begin to go through the...
REYNOLDS: Closure.
TWITTY: ... yes until you have some answers.
KOSINSKI: Give us a sense of what it‘s like seeing your daughter have to go through something like this.
REYNOLDS: Oh it‘s horrible. I told people, I said I not only have to worry about Natalee, I worry myself sick about her.
TWITTY: Just to start facing these people I had not faced since I had Natalee at home. So I‘m just getting to face them, you know, a few at a time and (UNINTELLIGIBLE) it‘s important to do that. You have to begin to put this into reality.
REYNOLDS: I‘m praying all the time, all day long, you know, and when I‘m awake, Natalee, Natalee, Natalee.
KOSINSKI: Now, they give each other strength and they had the support of all the people from the Unites States who write to them.
REYNOLDS: What tickles me is they said Beth Holloway Twitty, Aruba, and that‘s all they say.
TWITTY: I know.
REYNOLDS: What I do is tell her I love you. I say I love you Beth, and we hang up. That‘s all I can tell her. I just—she knows I‘m there.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
KOSINSKI: The family‘s very happy now to also be getting some high-profile help with funding. Actress Courtney Cox, formerly one of the stars of the TV show, “Friends” is from where Natalee is from, the same town, and she‘s helping organize this big auction later this month there in Alabama. Back to you, Dan.
ABRAMS: All right, Michelle Kosinski, thanks very much. And Courtney Cox, you‘re invited to come on the program as well to talk about the work you‘re doing.
Let‘s check in with former FBI investigator and MSNBC analyst Clint Van Zandt. Clint arrived in Aruba over the weekend. He‘s met with members of Natalee‘s family and investigators on the ground. Clint, what have you turned up?
CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Hi Dan. Well, there‘s a number of things. Number one, you know this case is not going to be solved in Aruba. Bottom line is—it‘s my opinion, Dan that Joran van der Sloot is—he‘s a sexual predator. I think this guy didn‘t fall off the turnip truck. I think he‘s done this before.
I think he‘s done it to Americans before who‘s been visiting here and what it‘s going to take, Dan, to break this case is other victims in the United States to say, I know I‘m embarrassed, I know I‘m ashamed, but I‘m not going to let this guy walk. That is what is needed for people to raise their hand and say, if they have been victimized, come forward and say it and give this judge reason to hold this guy. Otherwise, he‘s going to walk...
ABRAMS: What are you basing that on, your theory that he‘s a sexual predator. I mean what evidence is there of that?
VAN ZANDT: Well, the evidence is, you know again, my background talking to investigators who are involved in the case, looking at this guy‘s background, looking at what he does. I mean you just don‘t zero in on someone for the first night and handle her the way that he did...
ABRAMS: What do you mean?
(CROSSTALK)
ABRAMS: Handle her in what way?
VAN ZANDT: ... this guy. As far as the way he would manipulate her. He met her a couple of days in advance but again, the chance that he has to go away, to take her up to the light house or something, this was the last night she was leaving. Dan, it‘s my gut opinion. You know sometimes you‘ve got to go on your gut shot on this...
ABRAMS: Yes.
VAN ZANDT: ... and it‘s my gut opinion that he didn‘t do this for the first time.
(CROSSTALK)
VAN ZANDT: That this is someone who zeros in on women, who finds them, who‘s going to be in Aruba, the last night, who takes advantage of them and instead of reporting it to the police, they‘ve got to catch their plane, they‘ve got a nonrefundable ticket...
(CROSSTALK)
VAN ZANDT: That‘s where I think this case has got to go.
ABRAMS: There‘s a big jump, isn‘t there Clint, from the idea that he‘s trying to hit on women and as a whole wrap down or whatever, the last night they‘re there, and the jump to that he‘s been regularly preying on women, meaning hurting them, forcing himself on them.
VAN ZANDT: Well, yes and the question is, is how long has he been doing this. Has he had assistance? But how has he been able to force himself or how has he been able to manipulate other women...
ABRAMS: Yes.
VAN ZANDT: ... into a similar-type of situation. If he‘s the primary suspect, Dan, if he had anything to do with this at all, this wasn‘t the first time...
ABRAMS: All right...
VAN ZANDT: ... he‘s been involved in a situation and other people know it.
ABRAMS: All right. If, if, if, if—Clint Van Zandt, we‘re going to keep checking...
VAN ZANDT: That‘s what they‘ve got. That‘s what they‘ve got, Dan...
ABRAMS: Yes.
VAN ZANDT: They‘ve got a tank full of ifs and they‘ve got to connect it to something.
ABRAMS: Yes. No. Understood. All right, Clint, good to see you. Thanks for coming on.



On 8-16 MSNBC reported:

RITA COSBY, HOST: And new developments tonight out of Aruba in the search for Natalee Holloway. Money to pay for two of the searchers was supposed to run out tomorrow, but late tonight, word that they‘ve secured more money for the search. Also some big-named celebrities are now getting involved. Word tonight that actress Courteney Cox and David Arquette are planning to help out.
Live now from Aruba. We have Natalee‘s mother Beth Twitty and also her grandmother, Ann Reynolds. It‘s great to see both of you. How are you doing tonight?
ANN REYNOLDS, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S GRANDMOTHER: Doing fine.
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Hi, Rita.
COSBY: Hi, Beth and Ann. It‘s great to have both of you.
I understand, just a few minutes ago, we just got word that Jim Knox, one of the folks with the search unit, got a couple more dollars and he‘s able to search for, what, another week? Have you heard that, as well?
TWITTY: No, I have not heard that. I knew that he was still looking for a backer late this afternoon. So I‘m glad that that financial backing came through.
COSBY: Yes, it sounds at least some money to at least go for another week. Well, money has been tight. Has that been tough for you? I mean, now, as it goes on, I‘m sure you just want to put out a plea for anybody to help, because it is getting tough as it drags on.
TWITTY: Well, Rita, I mean, the community of Birmingham has just been incredibly supportive. And even, you know, Natalee‘s class, they have done such huge fundraisers over the summer. And, you know, and not only that, I mean, some supporters from, you know, from all over the U.S. have just anonymously made donations. And everybody‘s been very supportive, Rita.
COSBY: Are you worried, though, Beth, that, with time passing and money getting tight, that it‘s just got to be tough for you as a mom?
TWITTY: You know, well, you know, of course, that‘s always a concern. And, you know, we just—you know, we know we want to continue forward, and we‘re just so grateful when fundraisers happen and things come through, Rita.
COSBY: Absolutely. And, Ann, I‘m sure that, if anyone is watching tonight, there are a lot of people who this case has just touched them and they want to help out. What would you like to say to folks who are listening tonight, Ann, about that?
REYNOLDS: Well, I don‘t really know. I just want them to support Beth like I do and just do the best we can. And she‘s got a lovely family and everything, so I really don‘t have—that‘s it.
COSBY: It must be great for you to be down there, Ann. How does it feel for you to be down there with Beth and everyone?
REYNOLDS: Well, I really wanted to come. But I knew that I would probably get upset. That‘s what I was afraid of when I saw her. But I didn‘t.
And we have been places today. We had someone that was nice enough to take my niece and I. We went around. I mean, I think we saw everything in Aruba.
And now I kind of know, well, what‘s what, when they talk about the pond. I know what the pond is. And I really wanted to see that prison. And then we saw the—we just saw everything. We‘ve saw the Internet grill, and we saw—I just can‘t even remember right now what—we were gone the whole day.
COSBY: Ann, if you could see any of those folks...
REYNOLDS: It was really nice.
COSBY: ... you know, the folks with the Internet grill, I know Beth, you know, tried to talk to Deepak. We‘re looking at some pictures of it. If you had a chance to talk to any of these brothers or Joran van der Sloot, what would you want to say to them, Ann?
REYNOLDS: I would just beg for them, if you‘ll just tell us and give us some information, so we want to know where Natalee is and we get her back one way or the other, that I‘m sure this whole family would be glad to move out of here.
And then the officials can take care of them. We‘re just gone if they would just let us know something. But we know nothing.
COSBY: Which is the hard part. So hard. And, Beth...
REYNOLDS: It‘s hard. It is.
COSBY: It must be. And I can‘t imagine what both of you are going through.
And, Beth, the good news is, is sounds like you‘re also getting some other help from some big-named celebrities, we were just hearing a few hours before the show, Courteney Cox of “Friends” fame and David Arquette, you know, her husband. Courteney is from the same hometown as Natalee.
How does it feel to know, you know, now it‘s getting even more attention, and hopefully this will put some more pressure and maybe get some more funds?
TWITTY: Oh, I mean, I think it‘s incredible, Rita. And you know, we are grateful for all the support. And you know, this is something that my sister-in-law, Marcia Twitty, is instrumental in. And we just—I mean, it‘s just incredible, Rita, absolutely incredible.
COSBY: How does it feel? What would you like to say to all the folks who are thinking at home, should I donate, should I not donate, should I come to the fundraiser? That‘s a great feeling, huh?
TWITTY: Oh, oh absolutely. And, you know, Rita, even from the financial support for just, you know, people that just send such personal letters, and cards, and e-mails are just—you know, all the support is just—it‘s so appreciated and it really is getting us through it.
COSBY: Well, that‘s terrific. Well, we‘re here for you, whatever you need, Beth and Ann. Thank you very much. And we‘ll talk with you soon, both of you.
REYNOLDS: Thank you a lot.
TWITTY: Thank you.
COSBY: Thank you, ladies, very much.



8-17-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?

On 8-17 experienced F.B.I. criminal profiler CLINT VAN ZANDT reported from ARUBA, “Arubaans tell me that they believe that she simply ran away, perhaps with Joran's help, or she swam out into the water and drown, or she was carried away and sold into slavery, all versions that leave out the fact that the three primary suspects had the last known contact with the missing woman, that they have collectively told many stories or lies about their time with her the night she disappeared. In a statement made by van der Sloot to the Police he suggested that one of the Kalpoe brothers had perhaps sexually assaulted, murdered and buried her, that he himself (Van der Sloot) has confessed to having sexual contact with her when she could not resist (drugs, alcohol?), and/or that he later left her alone on the beach, a second violation of local law as he apparently left a vulnerable person in a place and condition where she could be victimized, all similar to US misdemeanors, probably at most with a six month sentence. However, you cannot be convicted simply on your own confession here, therefore, as Joran's father, Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT is alleged to have said, "No body, no case."
On 8-17 experienced F.B.I. criminal profiler CLINT VAN ZANDT reported, “Someone has come forward with a machine that can allegedly detect human remains in water and has indicated that he has detected (from standing on the beach) such remains about one mile off shore from the beach where Joran said he left Natalee, this in about 100-180 feet of water. Searchers are considering putting divers in the water to check out this ‘lead’”
On 8-17 the ARUBA “Strategic Communications Task Force” issued the following statement:

MEMOAugust 17, 2005To: Members of the PressFrom: Strategic Communications Task ForceRe: Q & A Aruba’s Assistance Regarding the Natalee Holloway CaseThe Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The task force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders. Former Governor Olindo Koolman has agreed to serve as the Senior Advisor for the task force. The task force continues to support the Holloway/Twitty family and will continue to offer support in their search for Natalee Holloway.Question: Has the task force interacted directly with the Holloway Family?Answer: Yes, members of the task force have been in direct in contact with the family.Question: Has the Task Force provided any monetary assistance in the search for Natalee Holloway?Answer: The task force itself does not have a budget however, individual members of the task force have contributed directly for search efforts. The task force has served as a conduit and provided a significant amount of support for the search effort. For example, the banking members of the task force gave $20,000 to the Texas EquuSearch search team. In addition, the local hotel Brickell Bay donated all rooms at an estimated cost of $100,000. The task force was successful in securing boats and transportation for EquuSearch members. Meals have also been provided to the search team by local restaurants.Question: How has the task force interacted with the Aruban Government?Answer: The task force has been in contact with the Aruban Government on a daily basis. The task force has several members appointed by the Prime Minister and havebeen active in requesting more resources. The task force urged the inclusion of the Dutch Marines in the search and supported the Prime Minister in his decision to give the F.B.I. a larger role in the investigation.Question: How has the task force interacted with the Office of the Attorney General,Prosecutor or Police?Answer: For obvious reasons the task force cannot interfere with an ongoing investigation. We do however recognize that the lack of information from the above-mentioned entities has resulted in unnecessary and even malicious speculation on behalf of some of the world’s media. We have and will continue to strongly urge them (Attorney General, Prosecutor and chief Commander of Police) to set up joint press conference/media opportunities and provide strong information about the process as well as the collaboration that has taken place internally and externally with entities such as the FBI.Question: How much has this investigation cost the Aruban Government and what other support have companies or citizens provided?Answer: It is difficult to add all that this investigation has cost the Government of Aruba however estimates are in the millions. Many companies in Aruba have donated time and machinery in the search. The authorities have asked for equipment such as generators and pumps and have received this equipment without cost. Many citizens have taken off from work and have joined the search for Natalee. The Netherlands have also provided experts and even sent F-16 jets to assist in the search.Question: Do you believe the media exposure has been fair?Answer: The Task Force respects the role of the press in this matter however it is important that the media check and recheck information before putting it out to the world. This incident is an aberration, an exception to the rule. Aruba is one of the safest islands in the world and that message will not change. We do agree that one incident is one too many and we stand with the press and the Holloway/Twitty family that full disclosure and justice must prevail.ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:1- Letter from Myrna Jansen–Feleciano, Managing Director (Aruba Tourist Authority)2- List of Strategic Task Force MembersDear Aruba Travel Experts and Friends,
In the past weeks, Aruba has been the focal point of a very intensive and not always balanced media frenzy. On behalf of the Government of Aruba, the entire island community and the Aruba Tourism Authority, we would like to reassure you of our unwavering commitment to help ensure this situation is brought to closure. Throughout this time, the entire island has been and will remain in full and complete support of the Holloway/Twitty families.
The Royal Netherlands Marines, the Joint Dutch Aruban Investigation Team, the Netherlands Forensic Institute, the Coast Guard for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruban and Dutch legal experts are assisting the local authorities in Aruba together with U.S. authorities, including the Department of State and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The F.B.I. has been involved since the beginning. We don’t think there is any other island in the world that has provided such support in any one single case. The entire Aruban community is shocked and outraged and has been extremely supportive of the family. This incident entails a missing teenager and so far no one has been formally charged with a crime.
From the beginning, Aruban authorities have been as forthcoming with information as legally stipulated and accepted within our legal system. Investigative support has been called in from the U.S. and the Netherlands. It has been very difficult for the local legal experts to explain to U.S. media the legal consequences of prematurely spreading essential investigative results, as it could potentially lead to jeopardizing the entire investigation. Yet, it continues to be reported that Aruban authorities are either withholding information or proceeding inefficiently with the investigation. This is completely incorrect.
The legal system of Aruba is similar to that of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, which receives the highest marks from the United States Department of State and while it differs from the U.S. system, it is as effective. The U.S. government considers the Dutch government one of its most esteemed and loyal allies sharing many treaties for information exchange on fighting crime, drugs and terrorism and providing all necessary support in different areas.
Aruba remains one of the safest destinations in the Caribbean with a record of almost no crimes of any kind involving tourists. As you may know, the island is a favorite amongst travelers with a repeat visitor rate of 40%, the highest in the Caribbean.
Aruba is also one of the only Caribbean islands with U.S. pre-clearance facilities (Customs and Immigration) at Queen Beatrix International Airport Aruba. Additionally, Aruba has one of the highest standards of living (annually US $22,000 - Central Bank of Aruba, 2004), highest literacy rates (97% - CentralBank of Aruba, 2004) and lowest unemployment rates (7% -Central Bank of Aruba, 2004) of any other Caribbean destination.
Aruba’s Queen Beatrix International Airport is in compliance with all U.S. safety airport standards according to the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). Aruba’s cruise and cargo/free zone ports are also in compliance with the International Ship and Port Facility Security (ISPS) code.
In an effort to ease possible concerns about any effect on tourism sectors of the island, Aruba would like you, travel professionals and Aruba experts alike, to know that there has been no disruption, whatsoever, to any hotels/resorts, beaches, activities, etc. The island is fully operational and welcoming the valued travelers you send to Aruba, each and every day. The good people of Aruba will continue to do everything in their power to ensure that vacations to the island where happiness lives, are truly unforgettable.
As travel professionals and as some of Aruba’s closest travel partners, we encourage you, our agent friends, to continue to share with your clients all that Aruba has to offer. The island will continue extending the warmest of 'bonbini’s (the word for "welcome" in the native language of Papiamento) to all who visit Aruba’s shores.
Warm Aruban regards,
Myrna Jansen-Feliciano
Managing Director
Aruba Tourism AuthorityMembers of the Strategic Communications Task ForceMr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)Mr. Ruben Trapenberg (Aruba Government)Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)



On 8-17 experienced F.B.I. criminal profiler CLINT VAN ZANDT reported, “The family also believe that Natalee left with Joran, but believed she was getting into a cab when she entered the Kalpoe's car. (Most "cabs" on Aruba appear to be in reality private cars with none of the identification normally found inside of US cabs, therefore it's reasonable for her to have possibly believed this.)”
On August 15, 2005 it is reported that the still-interconnected human bones of a woman’s forearm and hand has been found washed-up on the VENEZUELA Las Piedras beach, near the town Punto Fijo (the southwest side of the VENEZELA peninsula nearest to the west coast of ARUBA, about 18 miles away). The bone will be sent to the VENEZUELA “Technical Police” in Caracas according to JOSSY MANSUR on 8-17. His newspaper has obtained a photo of the forearm/hand bones that appeared in the VENEZUELAN newspaper “Neuvo Dia” on 8-11. (In DAVE HOLLOWAY’s April 2006 published book, “Aruba,“ he wrote that he was told the arm/hand was a “Halloween prop”)
On 8-17 JOSSY MANSUR stated that the reason no one could find the gardener witness last week was because he got “cold feet” and went to the island of BONAIRE.
On 8-17 JOSSY MANSUR stated that during his 8-15 testimony and followup questions, the gardener witness said he recognized Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE sitting in the parked car at 2:30 AM on 5-30, but he did not identify Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE. EDUARDO MANSUR stated it was because the gardener has always stated that Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE quickly ducked down out of sight. (besides that, all the Murder Suspects admit that the KALPOE brothers were always together until they returned to their home)
On 8-17 JOSSY MANSUR stated that the Murder Suspects defense lawyers went in front of the DUTCH judge and said the prosecutors have not shared all evidence related to the case. Among other things, the defense lawyers want the prosecutors to give them copies of all video, audio, transcripts recorded of all interrogations. The judge will announce his decision on 8-22 at 2:00 PM
On 8-17 the ARUBAAN's news-source "Amigoe.com" reported:

A manifestation is planned for this coming Thursday against the way in which the American TV stations CNN and FOX are portraying Aruba in their programmes. The organizers get annoyed at the unfounded negative news coverage and want to express this peacefully. They are now waiting for the permit and as soon as they get that, a group of concerned citizens will gather on the Plaza Betico Croes on Thursday at 18:00. Special attention will be paid to the way above-mentioned media deals with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The manifestation will be peaceful and the Parliament will be asked to do everything in their power to end this spate of negative reports. Chairman of Parliament Marlon Werleman will probably be present to officially receive the request. Interested parties are asked to come with Aruban flags.



On 8-17 when FOX News asked JUG TWITTY if he was optimistic, JUG TWITTY stated, There is no reason for me to be optimistic.” JUG TWITTY stated he has an ARUBAN liaison between himself and the ARUBAN Police that seems to be communicating less and less with JUG TWITTY, and that communication between the ARUBAN Police and the F.B.I. Also seems to be less and less.
On 8-17 CNN reported that one of their reporters has walked from the “Marriott Hotel” beach to the Murder Suspects SLOOT home and it took 40 minutes. It is a 10 minutes car drive from the California lighthouse to the “Holiday Inn,” and it is a 20 minute car drive from “Carlos 'N Charlie's" to the “Holiday Inn.”
On 8-17 CNNHN reported:

Attorneys for chief suspect Joran van der Sloot's appear to stall for time in the Natalee Holloway investigation on Aruba, as volunteer search teams begin to squabble and one even threatens a lawsuit against another.
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Tonight, the pressure builds on the tiny island of Aruba, day 80 and still no sign of missing 18-year-old Natalee Holloway. Lawyers for key witness Joran van der Sloot say prosecutors are withholding information, and an Aruban court must decide, should the Kalpoe brothers head back to jail or stay free.
…But first tonight, day 80 in the search for missing 18-year-old Natalee Holloway. She disappeared on the last night of her senior school trip to Aruba. Today, key suspect Joran van der Sloot back in court. His attorneys say prosecutors are just not giving all of their files to the defense. And after testimony from a key witness about the night Natalee vanished, an Aruban court has to decide if the Kalpoe brothers will again join van der Sloot behind bars.Tonight, in Aruba, managing director and editor of "Diario," Jossy Mansur. In West Palm Beach, Florida, from Coast to Coast Canine, Jim Knox. In Houston, Texas, EquuSearch director Tim Miller. In Orange, California, defense attorney David Wohl (ph). In Boston, former federal prosecutor Wendy Murphy. And in New York, psychiatry professor Dr. Joseph Deltito.But first to Birmingham, Alabama and WBMA reporter Anastasiya Bolton. Anastasiya, what's the very latest on this case?ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA-TV: Jane, Joran van der Sloot and his defense team were in court today. The defense team is accusing the prosecution with not releasing all the files they have in this case, so the judge will now have to rule on that. The decision is expected on Monday.A clarification on the earlier decision made by the judge. The judge keeps the F.B.I. on this case, he's continuing to allow access to all the files and to the interrogations. However, the F.B.I. may not interrogate. They can just sit in. But the judge did say that Joran van der Sloot can be interrogated. The defense team has been fighting this for a while. But so far, Joran has not been interrogated since Thursday. So almost a week, no interrogations, although we've told the Investigators tried to question Joran today, they have not been able to do that. We do not know why.VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Anastasiya. Thank you for that. And Joran's attorney actually made a statement at court today. Let's hear it. I think we've got it.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)ANTONIO CARLO, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT 'S ATTORNEY: What's happened was, there was an appeal today and00 before the court of appeals (INAUDIBLE) Aruba. We appealed the decision of the judge commissioner, which -- whom denied our request to -- for a relief with respect to the manner in which we were getting documentation from the public prosecutor.(END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Former prosecutor Wendy Murphy, a victory for prosecutors. They get to keep questioning Joran. But they didn't do it again today because they were in court. The defense keeps them in court all the time. Joran's got to be there. So are they running out the clock until September 4, when they might have to release him?MURPHY: Oh, you can bet that's exactly that they're doing. I mean, there's no question that when that date pops up, they've either got to have extra evidence on him long enough to keep him or he will walk out the door. And there's a possibility he'll stay until the end of September, but the bottom line is, at this point, the game is all about running out the clock, and they know it. So they'll do anything and everything, and I guarantee we will see appeal after appeal after appeal, Jane, in this case, because if that's the way they keep prosecutors off Joran's back, that's going to help them with their strategy.I mean, the bottom line is, how many times can he lie? We all know he lied. I don't think that they're ever going crack this case. He's not going to have a "Telltale Heart" moment because I don't think the kid has a conscience. So he's not going to suddenly confess. There will be no Perry Mason moment. They're not going to get so many lies out of him that they'll be able to prove the case.But I think one of the benefits of continuing to interrogate him is the pressure mounts, they can continue to manipulate him and into thinking that maybe they've got something on him, perhaps from one of the Kalpoes. But frankly, I think the only way they're going really make any headway in terms of interrogation is if the Kalpoe brothers get rearrested because then you start to squeeze them. They potentially become state's evidence against Joran because you know damn well they know what happened. And that is the only thing I think that's really going to put the pressure on Joran enough that he might say something interesting and important.VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, absolutely. And you raise a very important question. What about the Kalpoe brothers? Let's go Jossy Mansur, managing editor and managing director of "Diario." Now, we had heard that Investigators were saying, Hey, if they get this gardener's statement that he saw one of the Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot in a car at 2:30, that might be grounds to re-arrest them. Now, that statement, that sworn statement, came in on Monday. It's Wednesday. What's happening, Jossy?JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, ARUBAAN's news-source "Diario": I don't know what's happening, but the gardener, the witness, did stand by his story. He did confirm in front of the judge, in front of the defense attorneys, in front of the suspects, that he recognized, and he even recognized two of the three suspects that were there. He hasn't changed his story one bit.VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, thank you for that, Jossy. Boy, this is - - it seems like such a game, but of course, we have to tell you, from a legal standpoint, the van der Sloot's and the Kalpoes continue to maintain their innocence, and they have declined repeated invitations to appear on this show. And those, of course, are standing invitations. Anytime they change their minds, the NANCY GRACE show would be very happy to have them on.Let's go to Tim Miller, director of EquuSearch. The other big development -- very grisly, very gruesome. And we're going to show you a photograph that we obtained from a Venezuelan newspaper called "Nuevo Dia (ph)" of -- sad to say, it is a photograph of the skeletal remains of an arm and a hand that washed up on the coast of Venezuela, which is apparently about 20 nautical miles from Aruba.You have done a lot of searches. This arm is still being tested right now. The results could come in any day. What is your thought on whether or not it could be -- could belong to Natalee?TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH DIRECTOR: Well, thanks for having me here tonight. You know, I've got mixed emotions on that. Of course, there's that big question mark out there still, What did happen to Natalee? I know our efforts -- you know, we walked away and felt as though that, you know, we didn't accomplish any more than we did when we got there. You know, I'm still real concerned about the dump. There's some things we're actually working with right now and...VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but let's address this arm for one second. I mean, that washed up on the coast of Venezuela. You have done many, many, many searches. Is this just a terrible, gruesome, upsetting distraction, or could it be Natalee's?TIM MILLER: Well, I'm saying, you know, the only way we're going to know is, of course, through DNA testing. You know, from what we understand, the way the waters flow, it's -- you know, it's something that couldn't possibly go there, but you know, people have been wrong before. We had a huge interest in the water in the beginning and spent a lot of time in the water. We did a lot of diving, side-scan sonar equipment and stuff.And you know, somehow or another, this thing's going to have to come it a close. Something's going to have to happen so there can be an arrest. Something's going to have to happen so this family can get some closure and try to move forward with their life and...VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. It's very frustrating, I'm sure, for everyone. And speaking of that, I understand that there is some friction, that you may be preparing to sue the volunteer searchers who replaced you on the island of Aruba. Tell us about that.TIM MILLER: I certainly wouldn't say they replaced us, by no means. You know, there was probably some conflicts a month before they went over there because we didn't feel as though (INAUDIBLE) qualifications that we found in the background checks that we did that, you know, everything was as true as was -- that was said. So you know...VELEZ-MITCHELL: What was said? What you upset about? I mean, spell it out for us because I don't know what you're talking about.TIM MILLER: Well, I -- you know, some -- some real negative things were said. Some real damaging things were said.VELEZ-MITCHELL: Like what?TIM MILLER: Just some things that Jim Knox had said. And you know, it's one of the things right now that our attorneys have, and we're certainly looking at some things. And you know, we don't want to take the focus off of Natalee Holloway. I mean, Jim and I -- Jim Knox and I had a long conversation on the phone on Monday. Jim certainly knew I was upset. This was after Paul Reynolds called Jim. Paul let him know I was upset.VELEZ-MITCHELL: That's Natalee's uncle.TIM MILLER: And anyhow, it was disturbing to -- you know, I remember talking to Beth before we left, and I said, Beth, one day, you'll be able to look back at this and see that Natalee's disappearance wasn't in vain. And with all the resources, all the people that went there, you know, we're looking at this as something positive for future missing person cases all over the nation, which there's going to be some. And with all the negative things that were said, many of our people...VELEZ-MITCHELL: What was said? I mean, you're upset about something. You're thinking of suing. We have Jim Knox standing by, ready to respond, but I'm not sure -- you're dancing around it. If you're upset about something, let us know.TIM MILLER: Well, I mean, these are things I'm advised by our attorney not say to interfere with a possible lawsuit. I mean, this stuff's on the Internet. It's -- you know, it's floated all around. And so anyhow, it sends some real negative messages about a very positive search, and this doesn't need to go negative. The focus needs to stay on Natalee, period, end.VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let's bring in Jim Knox. He is sponsoring Coast to Coast Canine Search. What is this all about?JIM KNOX, COAST TO COAST CANINE SEARCH: Jane, I was interviewed on another network on Sunday evening, and when I spoke about previous behavior of some searchers that were on the island -- there were three or four different groups of searchers before we came to the island, and we started last week. And there were some things that some of the searchers did that we thought were improper. The question...VELEZ-MITCHELL: Like what?KNOX: Well, there was...VELEZ-MITCHELL: For two people who are arguing, there's a lot of polite dancing around the subject going on here.KNOX: Well, I don't think we're arguing. Tim Miller...VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, somebody's thinking of suing you. I'd call that an argument. Sorry. Where I come from, that's an argument.KNOX: Well, when it happens, it happens. But EquuSearch -- the fact is, I believe that they sent, like, 70 people overall in and out to Aruba to aid in this search. They did a lot of quality work. They did a lot of work that we were -- I mean, we were sick on Monday when we went to the dump, and after all the work they did there at the dump, and after a local citizen, Eduardo Mansur, who spent his own money hiring the backhoes to dig the hole where the witness said that he saw the blond hair and the wading pool being buried at the dump -- two weeks' work, and it took us two days to get a permit to go into the dump and...VELEZ-MITCHELL: But is that their fault? Or what does that have to do with the...KNOX: Oh, that doesn't have anything to do with EquuSearch. EquuSearch -- EquuSearch did a lot of good work there, a lot of groundwork. Their only problem was, basically, the communication, I think, with the different officials in the Police department, according to the Police department, not -- not according to me.VELEZ-MITCHELL: And did you say anything negative about them? Did you say anything negative about them to anybody?KNOX: No. I've never -- I've said anything negative about EquuSearch and -- by name or by innuendo.VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, I want to bring in our professor of psychiatry we have here on the set, Dr. Joseph Deltito, to put this all in perspective. To me, this is starting to sound like a lot of good people who are stressed out because there is no resolution. There are no answers. And they're working and they're working, and they're not seeing results.JOSEPH DELTITO, PROF. OF PSYCHIATRY: Right. It's a high-adrenaline situation fueled by many hours, lack of sleep. I think there's a natural sort of clan-ism, My tribe versus your tribe, people working hard with their groups, their people, very sensitive about any kind of criticism. It's understandable that in this kind of situation that people get frustrated, tempers flare, whatever.VELEZ-MITCHELL: What's the solution, if this drags on day after day? What can these folks do to relieve the stress and keep their eye on the ball, which is finding Natalee?DELTITO: Well, they may realize -- they may realize at some point that the type of searches that they're doing have been exhausted and that they need to do something else, or maybe their role is no longer there, that they may have shown that type of search isn't going to yield anything and maybe some other type of search, other type of technology or whatever, might reveal where she is. And that's a hard pill to swallow for people who are going there with all good intention, to come out with a result that maybe they did it but it just didn't work.VELEZ-MITCHELL: I just can't imagine searching day after day in these horrible...DELTITO: Oh, it's terrible.VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... in the heat, through garbage, the depression of the subject matter. I have a lost compassion for both of these gentlemen and all the people who are searching with them.DELTITO: Oh, they're wonderful people that...VELEZ-MITCHELL: And the dogs. Every -- every creature there...DELTITO: ... are in the front line there...VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... is involved in stress.DELTITO: ... and they're going to have their own psychological stresses.VELEZ-MITCHELL: But you know, I think you raise a very important point. I want to bring it back to Tim Miller of EquuSearch. I mean, this is not a very large island. Is this search becoming futile now? What is left to search?TIM MILLER: That is a huge island when you're searching for one small girl. We certainly realized that when -- I know we did everything that we could possibly do. We brought in every resource that we thought could possibly be brought in. And there were a tremendous amount of frustrations, and you know, we walked away feeling like we didn't accomplish a whole lot, that maybe we let the family down, we let the community down. And we know from our hearts, you know, what it's like on a search for missing people. And we took it personal.We took it extremely personal with Tito last night went on and said that EquuSearch set the dump on fire four days after we was gone, and about the turtle egg deal and the threatening the judge. We put too much into that thing to absorb all this criticism, and we will not do it. I mean, let's report the facts as they are when the dump caught on fire. Let's report the facts about the turtle eggs. And we're not going to take that criticism and sit back. This is about Natalee. I think everybody deserves a huge applause for what they did over there, and there's a lot of people that got real hurt feelings about this thing.VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, I think you've also gotten a lot of praise for both of these organizations, and we certainly extend our praise from this organization to all the folks who are searching for Natalee Holloway.We will be right back with a lot more.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)PAUL REYNOLDS, NATALEE'S UNCLE: We want to make special mention of all of the efforts that Texas EquuSearch made. You know, those guys spent four weeks on the island. They had 70 people in there. I spent a week myself working with them personally. You know, it's just a great group of dedicated professionals that have volunteered to leave their homes and their families and their jobs and come down there and put forth this effort. And they, along with the hundreds and almost thousands of others, have been just a great asset to our family and this search.(END VIDEO CLIP)(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)MANSUR: The latter is important to search because there is a witness that came forward that claims that a body was buried there. And everyone wants this body found, if it's true what he says. He's been there constantly, the witness. He's helped in the searches. He's in the gate (ph) of the place where he saw this. But it has become very deep since the day that he saw it, and it takes a lot of effort and a lot of machinery to get a job done in a quick way, in very few days.(END VIDEO CLIP)VELEZ-MITCHELL: I'm Jane Velez-Mitchell, filling in for Nancy Grace.When it comes to Natalee Holloway's disappearance -- key issue, key issue, the timeline. Let's get right to it, Elizabeth. Experts have helped us put together this timeline of the night Natalee vanished. 1:00 to 1:30 AM, Natalee leaves Carlos and Charlies with the Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot. About a half-hour drive. 1:30 to 2:00 AM, Natalee and the boys arrive at the beach. Then 2:00 AM, Natalee drives with suspects to the lighthouse. I'm told that's about 5 minutes away, kind of a tourist place where you like to see (ph). 2:00 to 2:30, the Kalpoes say they drop Joran and Natalee on the beach . Then it moves to 2:30, the gardener sees Joran and Deepak at the racquet club in a car. He says they duck and cover. 3:00 AM, Deepak sends an instant message from home. And 3:15, Joran text messages Deepak saying he's arrived home. And that is a 40- minute walk from the beach area to where Joran lives. In fact, a CNN reporter made that walk on his own to confirm that.Now, Anastasiya Bolton, you're currently in Natalee's hometown, but you have been in Aruba. Think about that timeline. And it is basically, obviously, theoretical. This is based on various witness accounts. But it's approximately two hours between when they leave Carlos and Charlies and sort of the end of the evening. What is the window of opportunity, in your experience, your knowledge of this case, for foul play and then disposal of evidence?BOLTON: You know, that's a million-dollar question. So many people want an answer to that. But the island is really small. Obviously, it is a large place, as Jim was saying, to look for a person. But it is a small place. Everything is a small distance. It's about a 10-minute drive from the lighthouse back to the hotel where Natalee was staying, the "Holiday Inn" and the Marriott, where Joran says he dropped her off. So he could have potentially walked back home in the 40 minute -- in the 40 minutes that he had.But there's plenty of -- I think's there plenty of window of opportunity, I should say, that somebody can do something and still make it home on time, be that take a cab, walk, drive, whatever. It's a small place. Everything that Natalee has visited in that last night is very close. Downtown, Carlos and Charlies, is just about 20 minutes away from the hotel. Like I said, the lighthouse is close. Everything is relatively close, so he may have had a chance to do something.VELEZ-MITCHELL: And of course, Anastasiya, the big question then, if evidence was disposed of, where in that narrow area was it disposed of? Was it that night or was it the next day? And was it with the help of somebody else?…(COMMERCIAL BREAK)VELEZ-MITCHELL: I'm Jane Velez-Mitchell, filling in for Nancy Grace.We are talking about the window of opportunity for crime and for disposal of evidence in the Natalee Holloway case. Let's go out to former prosecutor Wendy Murphy. We've been talking about the possibility of maybe the disposal of evidence having occurred over a two-day period. In your experience, does that happen? And then would blood evidence be left all over the place as, perhaps, a body is moved?MURPHY: Well, you know, look, Jane, if she died from strangulation, there wouldn't be any blood evidence anywhere. But remember, Joran, apparently, early on made mention during one of his lies about Natalee having injured her head because she fell out of the car. I think that suggests that he may have been aware she did have an injury to her head.Look, I think the timeline is crucial. The fact that he lied about where he was at 2:30 -- 2:30 suggests a consciousness of guilt. He knew he needed an alibi for that moment of time, which may have been the time of her death.VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Wendy. Thank you for that. And we're going, obviously, stay on top of this tragic case.



On 8-17 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN told him she will not be requesting another D.N.A. sample from the Murder Suspects KALPOE’s because there is not enough evidence against the Murder Suspects KALPOE’s.
On 8-17 DAVE HOLLOWAY to FOX News stated that the F.B.I. Has told him that the forearm/hand bones found in VENEZUELA is probably not NATALEE's because the general ocean currents from ARUBA would probably have not carried the bones to the location the bones were found in (In DAVE HOLLOWAY’s April 2006 published book, “Aruba,“ he wrote that he was told the arm/hand was a “Halloween prop”). DAVE also said the family is still trying to get the ARUBAN government more involved in the landfill search.
On 8-17 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News that ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN told her on 8-5 that the Murder Suspect KALPOE’s D.N.A. samples will not be requested again.
On 8-17 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News that her D.N.A. was requested by ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN on 6-10 (BETH gave saliva and blood samples)
On 8-17 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News that the family has again requested of ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN that the family be updated daily on progress in the investigation.
The March 24, 2005 online issue of the Aruba International School stated that the newly constructed school site would start the 2005-06 school year on August 17, 2005.
On 8-17 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists with the F.B.I. present and then he also appeared for the court hearing.
On 8-17 AMERICAN homicide detective MARK FUHRMAN stated to FOX News that there are 3 places that need to be searched thoroughly; from the “Marriott Hotel” beach to the Murder Suspects SLOOT’s home; from the “Marriott Hotel” beach to the Murder Suspects KALPOE’s home; from the “Marriott Hotel” beach to the “Holiday Inn.” FUHRMAN’s reasoning being that the Murder Suspects would have been in an extreme hurry to hide NATALEE’s body and they most likely would have tried to hide her in a location they are most familiar with because they were actually at the location, or they pass by the location frequently. FUHRMAN also reported that since Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT has not allowed his entire home to be searched, an entire search of his home and property should be immediately carried out.

8-18-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?

On 8-18 FOX News reported that on the question of possible charges against Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , a new possible charge has been rumored: “sexual misconduct with a person not conscious.” Speculation is that he may be charged by the ARUBA prosecutor with this or a similar crime, if the prosecutor feels that the evidence does not support--at this time--a charge of murder.
On 8-18 GOLBA had to return to the UNITED STATES.
On 8-18 CNN reported that the man from TENNESSEE who has the machine he contends he has detected human remains in the ocean about one mile off shore from the beach where Joran said he left Natalee has been working in ARUBA for 4 or 5 days with one of the AMERICAN private Investigators (maybe ART WOOD). The “machine“ appears to be similar to a divining rod, which has been used for centuries to locate water under the ground. CNN said that it is planned that divers will investigate the spot on the morning of 8-20.
On 8-18 DAVE HOLLOWAY stated he spoke with TIM MILLER and DAVE HOLLOWAY stated he will return to ARUBA the next time TIM MILLER returns. TIM MILLER stated DAVE he is in the early stages of organizing to have bulldozers shipped from the UNITED STATES to ARUBA, accompanied by corporate-sponsored personnel, to help search the landfill more.
On 8-18 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated.
On 8-18 in a planned event attended by several persons, an ARUBAN painter presented BETH and JUG TWITTY with a painting of NATALEE.
On 8-18 ELLIS-SCHIPPER (member of the "Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force") claimed that the gardener’s passport has been confiscated by ARUBAN authorities.
On 8-18 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News that she thinks ANITA VAN DER SLOOT is in complete denial about Joran's character.
On 8-18 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to MSNBC that she has been able to stay in ARUBA now because the teachers that she works with have donated their sick days to help her.
On 8-18 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police
On 8-18 CNN reported:

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Interview With Beth Holloway Twitty; BTK Sentenced
ANNOUNCER: … But first, 81 days after Natalee Holloway vanished, a key witness has resurfaced. He contradicts the suspect's alibi. We'll check in with Natalee's mom, Beth Holloway Twitty, in Aruba. It's all next on LARRY KING LIVE.
CHRIS PIXLEY, GUEST HOST: Good evening. I'm Chris Pixley, in for Larry King. I want to thank Larry for inviting me to be here tonight. Truly extraordinary day in Wichita, Kansas, today with the sentencing of the BTK killer. We're going to be talking about that later in the show.First off, though, we have a one-on-one interview with Beth Holloway Twitty, Natalee Holloway's mother. Beth, of course, in Aruba, continuing the search. Beth, day 81, moving in on three months since Natalee's disappearance. I have to ask the obvious question, how are you holding up? How is the family holding up? BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, each day it's hard. And some days are very difficult to get through. But, you know, we've just been -- just had an amazing amount of support from family and friends and people that we've never met in the U.S. and Mexico and Canada. And so it helps tremendously to get us through this. PIXLEY: As the volunteer search goes on, of course, the Aruban authorities conducting their own search, the FBI participating. What is the latest in terms of the reward, and what is the latest that you have been doing in the last 30 days or so? TWITTY: Well, I think the main thing that we've been trying to do is to get the word out about the reward. And I think CNN has been doing a great job of covering that, the million dollars for her safe return, $250,000 for her whereabouts. And making available the 1-877- Natalee line. I've even had tourists approach me here on the island from Caracas, Venezuela, and knew all about the story and they know about the reward that's in place. So I feel like the word is out there, and that's something else we still want to continue. We're also trying to produce a little Spanish speaking public service announcement that could run through the media and distribute that to some stations, international. And so we're just always trying to think of ways to get the word out. PIXLEY: Beth, with all good that's been done, and of course with all the attention that's been brought to the story, you have nonetheless said that you don't think the official investigation has been heading in the right direction. Now, we know that you have been given the opportunity to look at the Police reports, see some of the witness statements. When you see that kind of evidence, do you feel better or worse? TWITTY: Well, there are a lot of things, of course, at the beginning that we were so -- just went so incredibly wrong. And, you know, what I get worried about now is, is hitting a wall. And you know, I think the gardener coming forward with his statement, I think that is something that still is being, you know, verified to see if it has credibility to that. And, I mean, to me, that's huge news coming forward. We've all known, as early as July 1st, that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, that the beach trip -- that never happened. You know, now, this will, of course, be having them scramble to come up with, you know, a new alibi. PIXLEY: And we're going to get into that alibi in a little bit. But I want to ask you first, though, you mentioned some of the dead ends. With the dead ends that we have seen that have been so widely reported, the hair on the tape, the pond that's been drained, all the while you have to sit back wondering if your daughter is going to be found in the worst possible condition. Now there is this new report, hundreds of miles away from Aruba, of human remains washing up in Venezuela. Do you ever allow yourself to think that this could be your daughter, or do you shut that out, Beth? TWITTY: I don't allow it anymore at all. You know, we've been through so much, even before all of these things were being made known. There were -- as early as June 1 -- it was early as May 31 and June 1, we were running with sightings of Natalee all through Aruba in the most unimaginable places that you would be thinking of looking for your daughter. So, you know, we had to really try to get a handle on, you know, all this information that we're getting from these sightings, because you just have -- there were too many ups and downs, too many highs and lows in the beginning and we just had to put the brakes on and really just wait until we had something definitive before we began to think it could be related to Natalee. PIXLEY: You mentioned the Kalpoe brothers and, in particular, of course, it's been in the news lately that you have had words with Deepak. Is there something in particular that you have learned, something in particular that you want to say to the Kalpoes? Or does it have more to do with the fact that their story continues to unfold now, of course, with the gardener's statement coming in and challenging what the brothers and what Joran van der Sloot has to say? TWITTY: Well, I mean, we've known from day one that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this crime with Natalee. You know, proving that has been difficult with all the lies that they've continued to, you know, tell the authorities. As far as what I would, you know -- as far as, you know, Deepak's reaction, you know, when I met him in the internet cafe, it was a completely different Deepak Kalpoe than I met the night of May 31. You know, at that point, he's thinking that he had a rock solid alibi, the Holiday Inn drop-off, and he held his head high, looked at me in the eye. At the internet cafe, he couldn't lift his head until I'd been in there over an hour, close to an hour and a half before he -- you know, I was leaving at the time some of the footage was shot. He had been repeatedly having to ask him to hold your head up and look at me. He couldn't even do it, he couldn't even look at Natalee's mother. It's just this incredible guilt over him. He couldn't even deny any involvement. PIXLEY: We're approaching, of course, September 4th. There is a chance on that date that Joran van der Sloot will come out of custody. Is there a contingency plan at this point in place? Will you be challenging that? Will you be doing what you can to keep Joran van der Sloot in custody, and are you doing anything on the ground to try to see, or through your attorneys, that the Kalpoe brothers are brought back in? TWITTY: Well, of course, I'm just going to have to wait until September 4th. I'm just going to have to wait to experience it to see what we're going to do. Of course, you know, we're always thinking and putting different things into motion. But, you know, we've just got to wait and see how it's going to go before we can implement anything. And as far as Deepak and Satish, I'm not giving up that they will not be re-arrested. I still think that is a strong possibility. PIXLEY: We'll be back with more of our discussion with Beth Holloway Twitty, Natalee Holloway's mother, from Aruba and New York in just a minute. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)PIXLEY: Continuing our live, one-on-one conversation with Beth Holloway Twitty in Aruba. Beth, do you have any theories at this point? You sure have been on the ground for a long time. You've got the help of some great Investigators. Do you have any theories as to what happened that night? TWITTY: No. You know, we have -- there's so many different theories that we've come up with as our family, and also with, you know, the people that have been involved, the Investigators and attorney. And, you know, we just go back to the two things that we know happened. And we know that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot took Natalee from Carlos and Charlie's. And, you know, I've not made it a secret that Joran van der Sloot had confessed these sexual assaults and he committed against Natalee to us, her family. Those are two of the facts that we know. And, you know, what happened from there, you know, there's where the answers lie with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot. PIXLEY: Beth, you're talking about facts that suggest that your daughter did encounter some foul play. You say that you don't allow yourself to think that way. I wonder which is worse in your mind, the idea that your daughter was the victim of a deadly crime, or the idea that you could spend the next 20 years wondering whether she's going to walk through the front door -- sort of Elizabeth Smart kind of story? TWITTY: Well, I mean, those are both cruel to go through either one of them. So, you know, I just know that we have to have answers. And I know the answers are right here. I know the answers are right here on the island and, you know, we expect to get them. PIXLEY: And so you go forward with this all-consuming search. Tell me about the members of your family. We've heard from everyone. Who is down in Aruba, who is back home? How do you sustain this level of activity and work for months? TWITTY: It's the most incredible support that you've ever seen coming out of Natalee's community of Mountain Brook, Alabama. You know, something that even has been made possible -- I'm supposed to be back at work. I teach school at Mountain Brook City Schools. And the teachers have come forward and donated sick days to last me this entire fall. And, you know, they're just making things happen. And it's just incredible. And then the amount of friends that we have that support us and are able to fly in and out and take time from their jobs. We all have jobs and lives there and children there. And everybody's just been making sacrifices to make this work. PIXLEY: Beth, plan A, obviously, has been to get as much help from as many sources as possible. Do you feel, at any point in time, that the participation of all of these different groups, where it's the volunteer groups, the Aruban officials, the FBI, that people can get in each other's way? Or do you feel that the attention that has been brought to the case and the number of people who are looking for Natalee is a positive? TWITTY: Oh, I think that number of people that have been involved are -- it's definitely a positive. We've been so fortunate to have these groups of individuals that have come in. I mean, from EquuSearch to -- gosh, I mean, they just did an incredible job of combing this island. It's a very unforgiving terrain. It's not easy. It's not easy at all. And we've just, you know -- Investigators have come in and, of course, anything that anyone has brought to the table has been helpful. PIXLEY: Beth, this is also hard to talk about. We appreciate you being with us tonight. We're going to be talking with your brother and with a panel some more. Everyone, stay with us. LARRY KING LIVE will return in a minute. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)PIXLEY: We're back, talking about the Natalee Holloway disappearance. With us, the full panel now. In Houston, Paul Reynolds, Natalee Holloway's uncle. In Birmingham, Alabama, Anastasiya Bolton, reporter for TV station WBMA in Natalee Holloway's home state. In Atlanta, T.J. Ward, private Investigator. He's been working on the case for some time now. In Orlando, Vinda De Sousa, the Holloway family attorney. And here in New York, Henry Lee, famed forensic pathologist, criminologist, here to talk to us a little bit more about the details of the case. We go first, to Anastasiya Bolton. Anastasia, a week's worth of news, some hearings this week, bring us up to speed. ANASTASIYA BOLTON, REPORTER, WBMA-TV: Chris, well first of all, on Monday, the gardener, the key witness in this case, gave sworn testimony to the judge. The reason why this is important, because previously, the gardener gave testimony that he saw the Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot in the car near the racket club at 2:30 in the morning, the night Natalee Holloway disappeared. The judge asked the witness to be brought back again and give a sworn statement again. And if that statement were to be the same, he potentially could have ordered the Kalpoe brothers to be re-arrested, that was the buzz earlier in the week. Now, the re-arrest did not happen, although the gardener did give the same statement, he stands by his story that he saw the brothers and Joran van der Sloot. Now, I've spoken to one of the attorneys for the Kalpoe brothers today. He tells me he does not expect his client to be re-arrested. That's what he told me today. He says that the records do not lie in terms of phone and internet records, because he maintains that the Kalpoe brothers were cruising the internet and chatting on the internet way after 2:30 in the morning, so they could not have been on the beach near the racket club. Also, over the weekend, an arm was found on the beaches of Venezuela. The Investigators say they do not think that the arm could belong to Natalee Holloway because of the way the tides go. However, the Venezuelan authorities at some point are going to look into this and test the arm. Right now, they're busy with a plane crash that happened earlier in the week, as you very well know. So they're going to look at the arm a little later. Joran was in court with attorneys yesterday. His attorneys are contesting that the prosecution in this case is not giving them full access to all the paperwork in this investigation. So the judge is supposed to make that decision on Monday. And last but not least, Joran has not been interrogated for at least a week since last Thursday, even though the judge ruled that the interrogators will still be able to question Joran. Why he wasn't questioned, we do not know -- Chris? PIXLEY: Thanks, Anastasiya. Vinda De Sousa, you're the Holloway family attorney. I want to ask you very quickly, the viewers now have heard about this Colombian nationalist gardener, an illegal alien in Aruba, who is obviously becoming an important witness. But as an illegal alien, who has now testified and given sworn testimony, do you have a fear that he will be turned over to immigration and deported, as opposed to being kept in the country? And is there any basis for keeping him in Aruba? VINDA DE SOUSA, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, of course, the Aruban authorities are entitled to turn him over to the immigration authorities since he's an illegal alien. He has provided a sworn statement. So basically, his task, if I may call it that, in this case is done. I see no reason for him to be held in custody for this case any longer. It's probable that the authorities will turn him over, yes. PIXLEY: And will you oppose, or will the family oppose, his deportation in any way? Is there any basis for doing that, even? DE SOUSA: No, there is no basis for the family to oppose, no legal basis. Our criminal procedures code does not allow for the family, in this case, having joined as a victimized party to oppose a deportation, because the immigration laws in Aruba are very clear. If you're an illegal immigrant, you can be deported. PIXLEY: Vinda, can you explain what happened at this hearing on Monday? I understand that attorneys for all of the parties, not just the prosecution, were allowed to cross-examine and question the gardener on his statement. What was going on there, and is this testimony, as you said, that can be used in the future? DE SOUSA: Definitely. That's why he was heard in front of the judge of instruction. Because by hearing him in front of the judge of instruction, the parties, both the defense and the prosecution, are allowed to cross-examine him. And the judge himself asks the witness questions. And that will be a put in a sworn affidavit and that is used as evidence in the trial. PIXLEY: Do you know anything, Vinda, finally about this witness's background? Do you have any expectation that if he is deported and sent back to Colombia, that you will be able to keep tabs on him? DE SOUSA: I don't think so. If he's deported and sent back to Colombia, I don't think they will be able to keep tabs on him. But as I said before, I don't think it's necessary for them to keep tabs on him anymore, because he has given a statement in front of the judge of instruction with the opportunity for cross-examination by both parties, being the prosecution and the defense. So his task as a witness in this is done. PIXLEY: OK. I want to go to Henry Lee. Henry, I asked this question of Beth Holloway Twitty. Obviously, when you have the Aruban authorities, the FBI, local volunteers, canine volunteers, all going about their individual investigations, does there come a point in time, without a single lead or without some coordination that this becomes a detriment, that it actually undermines the investigation? Do you have any fear when you know there're all these disparate parties searching this small island? HENRY LEE, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Yes, Chris, you're absolutely right, because so many different agencies are involved, lack of coordination. This case become a cold case now. And very little scientific evidence. Make this case really need some organization, coordination, somebody has to be in charge, reevaluate the witness testimony, look at the timeline analysis. We have a witness say, "That night I saw two of them." They have a piece of evidence they were surfing the Internet. And we have to look at computer evidence on the hard disk, which, in fact, which we can extract the information on. Of course, over the weekend, the arm. And it should be easy to tell that it's a male or female, what the possible age and nationality. And this can get a set of fingerprints. You have hand attached to it and try, of course, later for DNA analysis. PIXLEY: That brings up another question, too. Are we going too far afield in this investigation when we start looking at evidence that's washing up hundreds of miles away, where reportedly, the Aruban tides don't even reach? Is this something that you think needs to be done in this case, or are we chasing the leads because they're interesting to the media? LEE: Well, we should at least turn over the stone. Don't leave any stone unturned. To look at arm, in two second we can tell you that's consistent with the victim or not. And, of course, I have a fingerprint and DNA. Three or four days later, we can give you a DNA profile to see if that matches or not. At least we can eliminate that instead of keep waiting. PIXLEY: Let me go for a moment to T.J Ward. T.J., private Investigator on the ground, do you put any stock in this latest report that Natalee Holloway may actually have been approached by someone from the adult film industry masquerading as a legitimate modeling agent, somebody that might have been able to lure her away? Is there any basis for putting stock in that new story? T.J. WARD, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR WORKING ON HOLLOWAY CASE: At this point in time, I don't think so. I think the key players, as Beth said, are the Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot. One person we are leaving out of the picture here --, I do believe from information that we have found and information we're still receiving, I believe Paul van der Sloot is a piece of this puzzle also. And I think it needs to be looked at. And he is on the back burner and he was a suspect at one time, and still is by the Aruban authorities and the FBI, and was in custody. But I don't think we need to leave him out because I believe he is a part of this puzzle that goes together. And I believe the family also believes that dearheartedly also. PIXLEY: Let me ask Paul about that, then. Paul Reynolds, Natalee's uncle, Beth Holloway Twitty's brother. Paul, before we leave this question, as outrageous as this new report may seem, do you, knowing your niece the way you do, knowing, of course, that she did go off with a stranger in Joran van der Sloot -- that obviously has been confirmed. Do you put any stock in the idea that she may have been lured away by someone who is really not on the radar right now, someone like this talent agent? PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Absolutely not. You know, that just wouldn't happen. It's almost a ridiculous story. You know, we know that Natalee did go with Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers. Her friends said that she thought it was a taxi. They were lined up there at Carlos and Charlie's, so she very well may have been tricked into getting in the car. But we know those are the three individuals that know what happened. We believe the father also knows because according to the boys' statements, the father was helping them create an alibi. They're all involved, they all know what happened. We don't know where she is, but that's why we keep looking. PIXLEY: And Paul, you're also searching, obviously, and have been searching with large groups at the local landfill. Tell me how that's going and tell me what assistance you've received from the Aruban authorities. Are you satisfied with the assistance that you're getting from them? REYNOLDS: Well, EquuSearch was doing the first landfill search. They spent at least a solid weekend there, a little more than that. A tough job, you know, trying to get some equipment in there. Extreme hardship under the conditions of the landfill. And, you know, but they were dedicated. They're in there looking hard with the dogs in there and trying to find something. This is based on a witness report. PIXLEY: Thanks, Paul. We'll continue with LARRY KING LIVE in just a moment.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)PIXLEY: Back with our panel, talking about the Natalee Holloway case. We now have Michael Cardoza joining us from California. I want to go straight out to Michael. This is going to pain you, Michael, but I can think of several well known cases where you have represented the bad guy, the famous dog-mauling case being just one of them. What do you do as a defense attorney and how far is too far, for example, for counsel for the van der Sloots, when you are representing a maligned and almost publicly hated defendant? MICHAEL CARDOZA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I'll tell you what, Chris, you put yourself in a difficult situation as a lawyer. A lot of people criticize you, take shots at you, but that is our job. That's what we do. and it does keep the system in balance, because God knows there are out there overzealous prosecutors. I did that job for 15 years. I've seen them out there. I'm on the other side now. I've seen them, but what you do is, you represent your client within the parameters of the law. Now, keep in mind, it's really interesting what's going on down there in Aruba, because here in the United States, until charges are filed, the defense attorneys are aren't involved. And down in Aruba, what are they doing? They're walking into the court and they're complaining about not getting access to evidence. Remember, here in the States, we, as defense attorneys, get no access to anything, as I say, until charges are filed. But yet, what do they get to do? They get to go down there, cross-examine people like the witness that they brought in the other day that saw, allegedly, van der Sloot at about 2:30 in the morning. That's really different than our laws here. I'd love to have it here. I'd love to get at some of the prosecution witnesses before they file their cases. But what you do, you do it fairly and you do it within the parameters of the law. PIXLEY: Of course here in the states, and Michael, you've experienced this all too -- many times, we have the opportunity, as defense counsel, to go out and talk to the press. Now, there are those times there the court, when we're in full swing, -- and you're right, when there is a defendant and someone has been charged, that we're not able to talk. But in this case, you've got Joran van der Sloot's counsel. You've got counsel for the Kalpoes very mum, not willing to talk to the press. If you are representing Joran van der Sloot, does the public's need to know get trumped by your desire to keep your client from talking at all or do you follow the old American model and get out there and talk? CARDOZA: Well, I'll tell you what, the reason that defense attorneys get out there and talk -- remember we're different. We have the right to a jury trial here. So, what happens is, when attorneys get on the air, they're putting out to possible jurors what's going on in the case. Because what's normally reported certainly, is pro-prosecution. So what defense attorneys try and do is balance that out. Down in Aruba, what do you have? You have court trials. You don't have jury trials -- the right to a jury trial. So, you really don't have that compelling need to get out there and talk to hopefully get the jurors and say, at least come in to the courthouse fair and balanced and don't believe everything you're reading about in the press. I mean, this is a classic case. Most people have convicted Joran in this case. Is he guilty? We really won't know until, if they charge, number one and if they put the evidence on and it shows beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the same burden that we have here in the states. So, until they put it on, we don't know what they have. Everybody's speculating about what the evidence is. Nobody knows. So, the needs are different. PIXLEY: And of course, the other silent battle that's going on right now, between the FBI and Aruban officials. We hear bits and pieces about it. I want to go to Vinda De Sousa. Vinda, the FBI, just this Monday, was told by a judge that they will be allowed to continue to receive information from the Aruban authorities. Of course, defense counsel for Joran van der Sloot had fought against that. They wanted to allow the -- wanted to get the FBI essentially out of the investigation. What is the general mood between these two factions, the FBI and the Aruban authorities and is there cooperation at all at this point or has it broken down? DE SOUSA: Well, no. The FBI has been involved in this case from day one. They have provided the Aruban investigative authorities in this case with technical and tactical assistance. They have sat in the interrogations, although they have not interrogated themselves, because as you know, they don't have jurisdiction. But they have been cooperating with the Aruban investigative authorities in this case and this cooperation only extended -- was extended by the fact that they were allowed -- they were given the interrogation material and tapes to be analyzed by their behavioral experts. So, the cooperation is, as I understand, very good and it's still ongoing. PIXLEY: I want to change gears a minute and go back to you, Henry. We were talking a minute ago with Paul Reynolds, Natalee's uncle, about the investigation of this landfill. This is something that you either do right or do wrong. How do you go about it from the start and is there a point in time where you say, "enough is enough, we're done?" LEE: Well, when we search a landfill, first thing we do is an intelligence study. We try to find out which pile was deposited in what date. Then we find something: letters, newspapers to confirm that pile in fact, is that week. Then we focus our energy. We usually bring in some (inaudible) and just slowly, manually, instead of digging, we just remove that big pile from one location to another location and sift through. And this way, you a systematic way to remove the garbage. Anything, little tiny piece of physical evidence, you can recover. This case, so far what I heard, just with the statement, one person says that, another person denies and really, difficult. To solve a case, as you know, Chris, you need physical evidence, a crime scene, witness statement and a little bit of luck. This case, we don't have a crime scene. We don't have a shred of physical evidence. We don't have luck and I would suggest, if I -- my case, I would go back, see anything on their car or the clothing seized. Look at the choice evidence, see anything that can verify or refute their statement.



On 8-18 MSNBC reported:

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: Boy, Rita, it was so emotional, and what—I‘m telling you, just an incredible show. Thanks so much for bringing that to us.
Tonight‘s top headline in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY:Natalee‘s mother, not giving up, for the first time, a tearful Beth Holloway sits down with our own investigator, and tells of her rising anger and her refusal to give up hope.
Then, what happened to missing American groom George Smith, IV? The couple who stayed in the cabin next door tells us how they were interrogated, and their shocking account may change the way we all think about this case.
Welcome back to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY no passport required, only common sense allowed.
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From the press room to the courtroom to the halls of Congress, Joe Scarborough has seen it all. Welcome to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.
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SCARBOROUGH: Hey, welcome to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY it‘s great to have you with us tonight. A stunning twist to our investigation into missing honeymooner George Smith, IV. The couple who, last night, told us what they saw will now take us into the investigation. Remember, this couple, next door to the honeymooners, wait until you hear what they have to say. And what they say the cruise company tried to get them to say.
But first, to Aruba and the search for Natalee. Joran van der Sloot is just 17 days away, friends, from being able to walk out of jail free, or getting his jail sentence extended, but today, he escaped interrogation again. With me live from Aruba with all of today‘s developments is NBC‘s Michelle Kosinski.
Michelle, what do you got for us?
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Joe, you‘re right, it‘s the 8th straight day that Joran van der Sloot has not been interrogated, and also in the search, it seems like the blink of an eye, you go from good news in the search for clues to bad news. The one guy who‘s going to stick around and tackle that enormous landfill search project had to leave the country suddenly. Now nobody is working on that and it‘s depressing to the family and searchers because it‘s widely considered to be one place on this island where there is good potential for finding some evidence. Now, some searchers in the United States are working on gathering up a team and coming back next. And when you look at the mystery of this case and the frustration of not finding anything, you do see that it draws people from all over with new technologies to come down here and try to search on their own. We ran into a guy from Tennessee who‘s been here four days now, with his invention of two metal rods attached to batteries, kind of looks like people used to go dousing water. Well, with these rods, he claims he spotted human remains a mile off the coast, and people are paying attention to him. A private investigator who‘s been here for weeks is now working with him, and local divers now are now going to take a look at the area that he spotted over the weekend.
The family does get some encouragement from time to time, though, and today a local artist painted a picture of Natalee, presented it to her mother in a ceremony, and that was one thing that made the family feel pretty good.
Joe, back to you.
SCARBOROUGH: All right. Thanks so much, NBC‘s Michelle Kosinski, greatly appreciate your report tonight, as we do every single night.
Now, Natalee‘s mom, Beth, of course she arrived in Aruba just hours after she heard the tragic news that her daughter was missing, but since those first days, you know, this poor lady from Alabama has been so frustrated by the lack of urgency on the part of Aruban authorities. Well, today she sat down with former FBI profiler and current MSNBC analyst, Clint van Zandt, who began by asking her if she feels any closer to finding out what really happened to Natalee.
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BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE‘S MOTHER: You know, some days I think that we may be hitting a wall, but, you know, I just—I can‘t give up.
CLINT VAN ZANDT, FMR. FBI PROFILER: No.
TWITTY: And it‘s just—it‘s not time and, I mean, you know, until we do hit a wall, you know, we just have to keep going. I mean, there‘s—she is not home.
VAN ZANDT: Beth, you‘ve had conversations with Natalee‘s friends, who were with her on the island, who were with her the night she disappeared.
TWITTY: Uh-huh.
VAN ZANDT: What do they tell you happened at this local night spot from the time that Natalee met Joran van der Sloot until the time she left with him?
TWITTY: Well, you know, even more important than that is what we know that Natalee would not do, and Natalee would not, she would not leave Carlos and Charlie‘s and climb into the back seat of a car with Joran van der Sloot, knowing that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were two of his best friends and driving that vehicle. I know that. I know that for sure, that Natalee Holloway felt that she was getting in the back seat of an Aruban cab with an Aruban cab driver. That‘s—to me that‘s important to establish that first. Now, what preceded that, you know, I think it was very minimal, the details of that. I mean, Joran did not come into the establishment until close to closing time. I think this tends to be, you know, his behavior.
VAN ZANDT: Now, had Natalee ever met him before on the island prior to the night she went missing?
TWITTY: You know, Clint, if she had, it would have been in a brief hello, and he met numerous students that night. Of course, he spent the majority of the time with one of her classmates at a Texas hold ‘em table. Now, he had met some of the other girls, I think, in—for a greater length of time than Natalee, but if she did met him it was only in passing, “hi,” and then on to something else.
VAN ZANDT: Where were the chaperons? I mean, why weren‘t they right there on top of these kids?
TWITTY: What was the authority‘s response when the chaperons were trying to seek help?
The authorities did not respond, so I mean, you know, I am not even so sure what good it would have done, Clint. We have not gotten anywhere since, and even with me arriving on the island as quickly as I did, I was not even able to get much of a sense of urgency reaction out of them. No, I didn‘t get any urgency reaction out of them, so.
VAN ZANDT: Let me ask you this. Some people say you are too close to the case. You are too close to the investigation, that you should back off and let the cops do their job. How do you feel about that?
TWITTY: Well, I wish we could, Clint. I wish we could. I would give anything to know that I could turn this over to the authorities and that they were carrying out a timely and competent and thorough and honest investigation, but we were not given that from the moment we‘ve arrived on the island, so we have not had that luxury, so how can we let—if we let it go now, we let it go in the beginning, and what happened? It fell apart in front of us, so why would we back off now? What frightens me if we did not have the support from everyone, in the U.S.—that it‘s just been incredibly supportive. If we had not have the media.
VAN ZANDT: Let‘s talk about the media. There are those small numbers who suggest this case gets way too much attention.
TWITTY: You know, Clint, I think that everyone can—well, I know that everyone can see themselves in my shoes because everyone could see themselves sending their loved one to a foreign country on their senior trip, and see it happening to them. But you know, Clint, this has never been about, to me, about, just say—I feel that Natalee is no different than any other parent‘s child because I taught children with disabilities for 22 years, Clint.
VAN ZANDT: You got to ask yourself, have I done everything?
TWITTY: Yeah, but.
VAN ZANDT: Have I done everything?
TWITTY: What bothers me, all the support I am getting, that I know I will spend the rest of my life doing something instrumental to too. To think, because I am not used to being on this side, so.
VAN ZANDT: Have you ever had a sit-down with the other mothers, with Joran van der Sloot‘s mother, with the Kalpoes‘ mother?
TWITTY: Not with the Kalpoes mother, but with Anita van der Sloot.
VAN ZANDT: With Anita, mother to mother.
TWITTY: Uh-huh.
VAN ZANDT: How do you feel in that meeting? Did you feel she was working with you?
TWITTY: You know, the only thing I could get from here was, you know, I realize parents will—you know are going to defend their children until the very end, and the main thing I did with her, Clint, is I just listened, and I just listened to her. Probably—oh, it would to have been at least 45 minutes, on her just about Joran, and she just couldn‘t—she just couldn‘t quit saying, just enough, just glorious things about him, and just a mother, though, that when I was listening to her she‘s just in complete denial. She has no—either she has no idea of Joran‘s, you know, behavior, or she‘s just - or she is—I don‘t know, Clint. She‘s in complete denial. I mean, this is a male that is gambling at casinos with an open line of credit? He is at Carols and Charlie‘s with a VIP pass? Is that what they give him? I don‘t know. I mean, he‘s been doing this for a long time. He has got a well-known past. This is a mother who has no idea who her son really is.
VAN ZANDT: September 4 is closing in on us.
TWITTY: Yeah.
VAN ZANDT: September 4 is the day Joran has another court appearance, and it‘s my understanding that the judge then will have to make a decision, is there enough new investigative information to hold him, or turn him loose. Is that a pivotable date for you?
TWITTY: Oh, absolutely. It‘s all I can think about, right now, September IV. And September IV I think is a Sunday, so surely we will be finding something out either Friday or Thursday or Friday or the Monday, thereafter. It‘s all that we can think about.
VAN ZANDT: Do you think about one way or the other, the results, if he is released, if he is held, what that means to you and what you are trying to do to bring Natalee home?
TWITTY: Huh-uh, no, I am not going to do it until I experience it. I haven‘t—that‘s how I have done this whole investigation and this whole summer, and I am just going to wait and see what happens, and as soon as it happens, I will know exactly what to do.
VAN ZANDT: What‘s your ultimate goal in this entire matter?
TWITTY: To bring Natalee home. That‘s all we want to do, Clint. As soon as we can get here, we are out of here.
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SCARBOROUGH: Clint, obviously Beth was very emotional in that interview with you, crying at one point. I got to ask you, how tough is it for you as an investigator, not only in this capacity, but as an investigator, for the FBI, to not get emotionally involved in cases like this?
VAN ZANDT: You cannot remove yourself, Joe. I mean, I got to tell you, I got sucked into this as soon as I hit the ground. I mean, as soon as you talk to Beth Holloway, as soon as you talk to other family members, I mean, you know, you and I have talked. You‘re a parent, I‘m a parent, we have children. You know that, you know, there but for the grace of God that‘s one of our kids, and when you see how hard this family is trying, doing everything they can. You know, you look, Joe, we don‘t have a victim, she‘s gone. We don‘t have a crime scene. We don‘t have linking physical evidence. It‘s like, you know, something from outer space came down and grabbed this girl off the surface of the planet and took her away, and yet Investigations 101 says, stay with the people she was last with. Their stories have changed multiple times. Do we have any other suspects? That‘s where you have to stay, but, Joe, we are 80, 81 days into this, and the family do not have any more answers to what happened to their daughter than almost the day they hit this island.
SCARBOROUGH: Clint, the tough question, is this case ever going to get solved?
VAN ZANDT: You know, sitting there with Beth today, holding her hands, probably crying with her, I have cried with other parents who‘ve lost children, and, you know, it‘s an easy thing to do. And I will not turn off that emotional porch light on her front door that says, Natalee, come home. You know, I would never take that away from a parent. I mean, we could have another Elizabeth Smart, we could have a runaway bride. I mean, we can hope, we can pray for all of those. You know, and sometimes statistics be darned, it‘s our kids, let‘s bring them home. The reality, from an investigative standpoint is where‘s the hard evidence that says what happened to this girl? I mean, I have a working theory. Law enforcement has. But, you know, theories are just that. Theories don‘t convict anyone. Hard evidence does, and unless they come forward with some hard evidence to show what happened to this girl, they may walk, the suspects.
SCARBOROUGH: Ok. Such a tragedy. Thanks so much, Clint. We greatly appreciate it. We‘ll be talking to you, obviously, tomorrow night also.
Now, we have gotten a lot of questions about how Beth is able to spend so much time away from home, searching for Natalee. Today she told us, it‘s thanks to the generosity of her fellow teachers in Alabama. They have donated their sick days so Beth can stay in Aruba longer, fighting to bring her daughter home.
Beth expressed how overwhelmed she is by all of her fellow teachers‘ acts of kindness, and I know she greatly appreciates it, as do we. Such a tough time for you her. Again, friends, you have to remember, right now, all of Natalee‘s friends are going off to the University of Alabama, the University of auburn, such an exciting time in a young girl‘s life, such an exciting time in the life of parents. It‘s a time they can say, “You know what, mission accomplished. We got them through high school. And now they begin an exciting voyage,” and yet tonight, Beth Holloway Twitty, far away from Alabama, down in Aruba, still trying to get answers to the questions that she just doesn‘t have.



On 8-18 MSNBC reported:

ABRAMS: All right, now to the search for Natalee Holloway in Aruba. A new piece of equipment is being used to look for clues in her disappearance and there seems to be some trouble for searchers who want to continue going through a landfill.
NBC‘s Michelle Kosinski joins us live in Aruba with more. All right, so first of all Michelle, what is this new piece of equipment that they supposedly have?
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, it‘s kind of strange. You know, when you look at this case, full of mystery, frustration, nobody can find anything. It‘s really drawing people from all over the country with new technology to come down here. We saw those EquuSearch volunteers bring things like gas detectors that have never been used before, vision sticks, robotics, they had all kinds of gadgets.
Well now this guy comes down here from Tennessee with something he calls triangulation. He kind of invented it himself. He has these metal rods and you‘ve kind of seen people dowsing for water, well basically he‘s dowsing for human remains. He‘s been working for four or five days and he says he‘s found some a mile off the coast.
Now interestingly, he‘s getting the support of people here. Local divers are planning to dive down into that area on Saturday and now he‘s working with a private eye who‘s been on this island for weeks.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Most of the coordinance triangulate this circle right here. OK. We do have one that‘s on the same lines, but it‘s a few degrees off. So we have a two areas that we‘re going to check. We‘re going to put divers in the water on Saturday morning and we‘re going to check this circle. We‘re going to check this square right here.
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KOSINSKI: That just goes to show you how desperate people are here to find any sign of Natalee Holloway. And for weeks now you‘ve been hearing us talk about this landfill. Well the reason we‘re so fixated on that is because every searcher that‘s been here will tell you that is one of the only places they feel there is a legitimate chance at finding some evidence. They have had a lot of trouble getting equipment, getting manpower.
There was a big fire there. One of the searchers who had some good news yesterday, some extra funding to stay here with his dogs, had to leave suddenly back to the states. He had some stuff to take care of. Now searchers are scrambling to try to get back to that landfill. They say that they have the support of prosecutors now and they‘re basing this on a witness‘ statement who says he saw a body buried there three days after Natalee disappeared, and the fact that it‘s just one of those places that hasn‘t been searched well. So they‘re trying to do that...
ABRAMS: Michelle...
KOSINSKI: ... local people here also reacting in different ways...
ABRAMS: Let me ask...
KOSINSKI: (INAUDIBLE) Dan.
ABRAMS: I just want to ask a quick question about the guy...
KOSINSKI: Yes.
ABRAMS: ... with the triangulation. For those of us who don‘t know anything about triangulation, looking at him, you know it looks like he‘s using some sort of—you know, the way people comb the beach with metal detectors, looking for quarters. And I would assume that people are going to want to try anything and everything that is possible from psychics to triangulation. But is this considered an accepted science or is this something that this guy created?
KOSINSKI: Well apparently, in literature, there are cases when people will—it‘s called dowsing basically and he said, yes, it is based on that. People will hold metal rods and they‘ll look for water and apparently there are documented cases where people have found things like that. But there‘s no documentation that his invention works for anything.
We asked a private eye about that. We said you know what is this? We‘ve never heard of it before. Is there any chance that these two metal rods could find a body a mile off the shore? And he said you know what, more power to him. We‘ll check it out.
ABRAMS: Yes.
KOSINSKI: And won‘t it be interesting if they do find something out there...
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KOSINSKI: They‘re just willing to try absolutely...
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KOSINSKI: ... anything.
ABRAMS: ... who wants to be the person who discounts the theory that actually ends up cracking the case? So—all right, Michelle Kosinski...
KOSINSKI: Right.
ABRAMS: ... as always thanks a lot. Appreciate it.
Coming up, we‘re going to talk with a very frustrated father, Natalee Holloway‘s dad. He‘s worried that suspect Joran van der Sloot‘s days behind bars are numbered.
Plus, what is this woman doing lying in what looks like a pool of blood? Well she‘s supposed to look dead. She‘s helping police get the goods on her ex-husband.
And our continuing series, “Manhunt: Sex Offenders on the Loose”, our effort to find missing sex offenders before they might strike again. Our search today resumes in Alabama.
Charles Bellew, III, convicted of raping a 13-year-old girl in Baldwin County, has not registered with the authorities. He‘s 29 years old, 5-foot 11, 175 pounds.
If you‘ve got any information as to where he is, please call the Alabama Bureau of Investigation at 334-353-1172.
Be right back.
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ABRAMS: Coming up, that new technology that has just arrived on Aruba, could it crack the case? Well we‘ll talk to Natalee Holloway‘s father about it. First the headlines.
(NEWS BREAK)
ABRAMS: That is a portrait of Natalee Holloway from a local artist being given to Beth Holloway. The artist made it for Beth and gave it to her as a gift and there she is looking at the photo with the painting with tears in her eyes and thanking the artist.
All right. But there are some developments in this case, including this new technology that seems to have arrived on the island. Also this question about why the landfill is no longer being searched. Joining me now is Natalee‘s father, Dave Holloway. Dave, thanks for coming back on the program. We appreciate it.
DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: Thank you.
ABRAMS: First let me ask you about the landfill. Are you frustrated that the search has been halted?
HOLLOWAY: Well, that‘s coincidental that you ask that question. Late this afternoon, Tim Miller with EquuSearch called me out of the blue and just wanted to know how I was doing, how I was feeling and all this stuff, and you know I told him I was doing OK, and he wanted to know when I was going back to Aruba. And I said when you go back I‘ll go back. And we‘re partners and he said well I‘ve got some good news for you. He‘s—right now, he‘s working on a deal to actually move some dozers to the landfill from the United States and possibly get a corporation or company to commit some people and assets.
ABRAMS: Wow.
HOLLOWAY: It‘s still in the works. It‘s not finalized. It‘s just in the talking stages at this point, so I was given a little bit of hope that we could clear that landfill.
ABRAMS: All right. Well that‘s, you know -- look, I hate to...
HOLLOWAY: It‘s still in the talking stages...
ABRAMS: All right. All right. Good.
HOLLOWAY: ... so nothing confirmed.
ABRAMS: Well I have to tell you Dave, I think that people listening to you talking and listening to Beth talking, et cetera, has led a lot of them to make donations to places like EquuSearch so that they can continue the hard work that they‘re all doing. Everyone should remember, of course, that they are volunteers who are working down there.
HOLLOWAY: That‘s right.
ABRAMS: What do you think about Joran? I‘ve talked to Beth a lot about this. I don‘t know that you and I have discussed this, September 4 is the deadline. Are you concerned that he may actually be released from custody at that point?
HOLLOWAY: It is a concern of mine. From what I understand from the legal experts is that you have to have additional evidence to you know continue holding someone and you know the other opposing view is, is well let him go and see if he‘ll talk to someone, but you know if you look at the Kalpoe brothers, you know, they hadn‘t talked in the last 60 days. And there‘s no additional evidence other than the gardener to point the finger at them either. So...
ABRAMS: Yes.
HOLLOWAY: ... it is a concern.
ABRAMS: And the gardener -- let‘s just remind my viewers -- the eyewitness who had claimed to have seen the Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot out that night after the time they said they were already home. But now Dave, what, new questions about his credibility too, right?
HOLLOWAY: Well I think one of the credibility questions came in was Satish‘s lawyer indicated that he could not identify Satish and as you know, he was the one who was in the back seat and when the car came by, he laid down in the back seat. Well, you know, all of their statements indicate they were all together. So it would lead me to believe that if he was the one in the back seat, and they were all together, that was him whether you‘ve identified his face or not. So I think they‘re all three in it.
ABRAMS: How do you keep hope alive at this point for yourself?
HOLLOWAY: Well it‘s just like the phone call I received today from Tim, you know, that was a big concern of mine, was the landfill was not properly searched and you know, my last—I spent 50 days on the island just continually searching and I spent a lot of time with Equusearch and a lot of the people involved with EquuSearch and they‘ve done a great job. And—but the landfill was the last issue. Other than that, you know, we‘re probably looking at the ocean as the last place.
So that landfill was not properly searched as well as we thought it could be due to the equipment problems and the personnel we had. You know we dug it up for about two weeks and then all of a sudden, the permit ran out and it was filled back in. So yes, that was disheartening for me.
ABRAMS: Yes. All right. Dave, thanks for coming back on the program. Know that many of my viewers‘ prayers are with you.
HOLLOWAY: Thank you.



8-19-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?

On 8-19 COMENENCIA said that the Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not questioned but there are other actions being taken by Investigators in relation to the case.
On 8-19 MSNBC mentioned that Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE has his “Honda” car back from the ARUBAN Police.
On 8-19 it was reported that a jogger who “came forward a long time ago” --he phoned the ARUBAN Police only a few days after NATALEE vanished and claimed to have seen something-- is being looked for by the Police. The jogger, a man, lives near the “Marriott Hotel” and, supposedly, jogs regularly in the early morning hours (when it is coolest) close to the drained pond. The Police have made a public bulletin announcement asking for help to find the jogger. (there is no Police warrant for his arrest at this time) Here is the Police announcement:

Police looking for late night jogger
Oranjestad – In regards to the ongoing investigation in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the team of Investigators would like to make the following announcement to the public of Aruba.
Police are searching for a person who regularly jogs in the late night/early morning hours in the vicinity of Salina Cerca, the area across from the Marriott Resort extending across the way to the Salina (the Pond). The male person has already spoken to the Police anonymously and the Police are requesting this man to contact the Police again urgently.
Please contact Mr. Papito Comenencia at the following numbers: 583-3483 or 582-4000. Urgency is of utmost importance.

On 8-19 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated she was updated by telephone from the prosecutor, and BETH emphasized that the family would like contact daily (the last contact was 8-11) BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that contact is from ERIC SOEMERS via a family liaison.
On 8-19 CNN reported that the ocean dive a mile off the “Marriott Hotel” beach has been postponed until 8-21.
On 8-19 GOLBA returned to ARUBA.
On 8-19 CNN reported that defense lawyers are accusing the prosecution of hiding evidence from the defense.
On 8-19 JOSSY MANSUR stated that the landfill search will start again next week with more equipment and more people.
On 8-19 JOSSY MANSUR stated that the ocean will be searched by two teams of divers that have looked over some satellite photo identifications.
On 8-19 JOSSY MANSUR reported, “From what I understand, the Kalpoe brothers will be re-arrested next week.”
On 8-19 MSNBC reported that 3 women in the UNITED STATES have come forward to tell the F.B.I. That while they were in ARUBA they were sexually assaulted.
On 8-19 ART WOOD stated that the man from TENNESSEE’s name is JOE WALKER, he is from NASHVILLE, and he is 76 years old. ART WOOD stated he has been working with WALKER for the better part of 4 days.
On 8-19 experienced F.B.I. criminal profiler CLINT VAN ZANDT reported that he walked into the “Internet Cafe" and talked with Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE today. He said he had been planning on going to college in FLORIDA this year. VAN ZANDT refused to profile Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE on MSNBC. VAN ZANDT just described Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE as a young boy-man who is stuck in a time warp until this case is solved. VAN ZANDT mentioned good eye contact. VAN ZANDT mentioned to him about Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT telling the Police that Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE may have raped, murdered then buried NATALEE, and VAN ZANDT suggested that Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE confront Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. VAN ZANDT also suggested that Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE take a polygraph test, and Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE agreed that if his lawyer okays that he take a polygraph, then he will take one. (On 11-10 VAN ZANDT told MSNBC that when VAN ZANDT was in ARUBA in August he knew that SKEETERS was a professional polygrapher and that SKEETERS was also in ARUBA, and VAN ZANDT said he had it in mind to arrange a polygraph for Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE. VAN ZANDT said that KALPOE agreed to do a polygraph but KALPOE was re-arrested before the polygraph could be given) Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE claims ARUBA has no plea bargaining provisions. Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE claimed to VAN ZANDT that the investigation was not going away and that a lot of things are being done that the media is not seeing. Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE also said that he knows that BETH is not going away until she has answers.
On 8-22 MSNBC showed nighttime captured film of Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE returning to the “Carlos 'N Charlie's" on the evening of 8-19.
On 8-19 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police.
On 8-19 the “National Enquirer” wrote, “Dutch teenager Joran van der Sloot has admitted watching the violent death of Alabama student Natalee Holloway. Sources say that, after more than 22 discrepancies were found in his statements about the night Natalee disappeared, his latest testimony has convinced Aruban Investigators that he was present when she died and saw what happened to her. Recently seen documents claim Joran, 18, told Police interrogators that his friend Deepak Kalpoe, 21, raped, murdered and buried Natalee. But an investigation insider said his story contains such detail that the authorities believe Joran must have been there himself. ‘From the small details and the graphic descriptions given by Joran it is clear to Investigators that he was at the scene when Natalee died,’ said the source.”
On 8-19 the National Enquirer” reported:

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT : TELL THE TRUTHBy REBECCA MOWLINGDutch teenager Joran van der Sloot has admitted watching the violent death of Alabama student Natalee Holloway.Sources say that, after more than 22 discrepancies were found in his statements about the night Natalee disappeared, his latest testimony has convinced Aruban investigators that he was present when she died and saw what happened to her.Recently seen documents claim Joran, 18, told police interrogators that his friend Deepak Kalpoe, 21, raped, murdered and buried Natalee. But an investigation insider said his story contains such detail that the authorities believe Joran must have been there himself."From the small details and the graphic descriptions given by Joran it is clear to investigators that he was at the scene when Natalee died," said the source.The National Enquirer has been at the forefront of the investigation since Natalee disappeared on a high school graduation trip on May 30. For more than 11 weeks, our reporters have shared the hopes and disappointments endured by her family and the police.Time and again Joran's evidence has led us all to believe we were on the verge of a breakthrough — only to have those expectations cruelly dashed when yet another of his stories was exposed as flawed.Now The National Enquirer appeals to Joran to show some respect to Natalee and some mercy for her distraught family. We ask just one thing — that he finally tells the truth so this mystery can be solved and a beautiful teenager can be laid to rest as she deserves. According to the investigation insider, official documents state that Joran admitted to having sex with Natalee. He claimed it was consensual but her family insist she was a virgin and that would never be the case.Natalee, 18, was last seen by classmates from Alabama's Mountain Brook High School leaving the popular night-spot Carlos 'n Charlies and getting into a car with Joran, Deepak and his brother Satish Kalpoe, 18. The insider said: "Natalee thought she was getting a ride back to her hotel with Joran but instead I believe she was walking into a set-up with the Kalpoe brothers already in the car."To read the rest of this article, pick up The National Enquirer — on newstands now.



On 8-19 MSNBC reported:

And now to the search for missing Alabama teen, Natalee Holloway.
News tonight that the FBI is getting some tips right here in the U.S.. Could they provide some new clues? NBC‘s Michelle Kosinski is live in Aruba. Michelle, what are those tips?
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Rita. Well, the FBI tells me today that since this case broke, several young women have come forward to the FBI in the U.S. and said that they had been sexually assaulted recently while on vacation here in Aruba. Keep in mind, that has nothing to do with these suspects or this case. But the FBI found it interesting that this case drew these people out. They feel they are credible and that on this small island, they feel that this sort of thing does happen.
Also, we learned the interesting development earlier this week that key suspect Joran van der Sloot has not been interrogated now for more than a week. Well, the FBI said today that there is no timeline as to when he will be interrogated again. His attorneys feel those interrogators are going back to the files, possibly trying to come up with a new strategy because they say they have not been able to get anything out of this suspect. And you know, that date, September 4, is approaching quickly. That‘s when a judge will have to decide to keep him for 30 more days or set him free—Rita.
COSBY: All right, Michelle. Thank you very much.
Well, also tonight, investigators are trying to get back into the landfill to resume their search for the missing girl. They‘re desperately trying to get teams together to scour the site, hoping to find something. Searchers and members of Natalee‘s family are upset that they have not been able to finish the work that they started. Word is that they want permission to search the landfill day and night until they find some answers. They feel the job has not been done right so far.
And that‘s not the only place that people are going to be searching.
Divers are going to be heading to the water one mile off shore tomorrow. Joining me now from Aruba is Clint Van Zandt. He‘s a former FBI agent and also an MSNBC analyst. And also side by side with him, Art Wood, the private investigator who will watch tomorrow‘s dive.
Art, let‘s talk about this dive because it‘s based on what, something called triangulation. Tell us what that is.
ART WOOD, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well, it‘s based the technology that a 76-year-old man from Nashville, Tennessee, brought to the island. Joe Walker (ph) is a treasure hunter, has been for a number of years. And he claims—and I can‘t vouch for his technology, but he claims that his technology can locate a body off shore. I spent the better part of four days helping him run his equipment. And using a compass and GPS, we have triangulated about 20 different readings to a spot about a mile-and-a-quarter off the coast of Aruba. And tomorrow, we‘re going to put divers in the water and see if we can locate Natalee‘s body, if it‘s possible.
COSBY: Well, and anything, of course, is possible.
Clint, let me move to you because these new allegations that Michelle was talking about, other people—and I‘ve been hearing about this for some time—other people making the allegation—again, not tied to any of these three boys so far—but assuming that—they‘re saying that they, too, were raped while on vacation in Aruba.
How does that affect the case? Is it possible maybe they can connect something to this case?
CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI AGENT: Well, what I‘m hopeful for, Rita, is that if there‘s any suspect in this case who had any inappropriate contact with a woman who has been to Aruba around the world, that those women will come forward right now, that they‘ll see the strength and bravery of these women in the United States that are rising up, saying, We will not be victims, and we won‘t let ourselves be.
And what‘s more important is that they‘re putting the message out there. The message is, You have to be careful. I mean, whether it‘s Aruba or anywhere in the Caribbean or anywhere in the United States, you have to be careful where you choose, where you go. You know, you always have to be with your wing men and be careful you don‘t get cut out of the herd. These are all things that whether you‘re Natalee Holloway or anyone else, you have to practice that.
So I‘ve got a lot of hope, Rita, that there are people that are going to come forward that are going to be able to shed more information on the character of a number of different suspects in this case right now.
COSBY: Yes. No doubt about that. And Art, you know, so far, we‘re hearing that Joran van der Sloot has not been questioned for what, about a week now. How does that impact the case, especially as we‘re gearing up to September 4, when he could be released?
WOOD: Well, Rita, first of all, I‘m not privy to any of the conversations he had with these investigators or these Dutch scientists that—the behavioral specialists that have come in and talked to him. But September 4 is fast approaching. I think they need to start—the police need to start banging away at his friends and the friends of Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe because, as you know, loose lips sink ships. And I‘m sure there are stories out there. We‘d like to find this missing girl.
COSBY: Absolutely, guys. Thank you very much.
And everybody at home, of course, we want to hear from you, as well, if you have any information that could help in the Natalee Holloway investigation. Art and Clint and all of us are on it. Also, any major stories that you want us to investigate, be sure to give us a call. And our tip line is 1-877-TIP-RITA. That‘s 1-877-TIP-RITA. You can also check out our web site at rita@msnbc.com.



On 8-19 MSNBC reported:

LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST: DANIELS (voice-over): And divers in Aruba prepare to search for Natalee Holloway off of the coast this weekend as an emotional mother refuses to lose hope.
DANIELS: Now we‘re going turn to Aruba where divers are getting ready to head out on a search tomorrow. They‘ll be going about a mile off the island following a tip from a man who is using technology, it‘s known as triangulation. And the man says he identified something that could possibly be a body.
Now meanwhile, the landfill remains untouched and it appears that more private funding has been secured to search the area. But—here‘s a big but—investigators are having a pretty tough time finding anybody to actually do the searching.
Joining me now with the latest in the investigation, MSNBC analyst and former FBI investigator, Clint Van Zandt. Clint, I can‘t even believe that people are taking the triangulation method too seriously given that there‘s no scientific proof that it works. Now the divers are following the tip.
CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI INVESTIGATOR: Yes, you know I think it shows to some level the—for lack of a better term desperation in this investigation right now. You know normally, you stack up your priority leads, your less than priority, and then down at the bottoms, the ones if we‘ve got nothing else to do, let‘s just go ahead and run it down.
I‘m afraid at least in this case, we‘re at the very bottom over there. Triangulation—I went out and watched that and that‘s just you know hocus-pocus. I mean he could have been triangulating on the North Pole for all I know, so I wouldn‘t—you know, I wouldn‘t bet the farm on this one.
DANIELS: Clint, I saw you earlier on MSNBC and I heard you talking and you really seemed moved by your interview with Beth Holloway Twitty. How is she doing?
VAN ZANDT: You know it‘s probably one of the more challenging things you ever do. As an FBI agent, my last year, I sat down with two different families, really three and told them that in two cases, a child, in one case, an adult male was not coming home. There‘s no more trying, no more heart-tugging interview you can do. In this case, it‘s sitting down with Beth and you know it‘s a woman of tremendous strength, tenacity, courage, who has to balance in her mind the statistical probability and yet as a parent you never turn off that emotional porch light.
And you know when I sat with her, as a parent, as a human being, you just had to hold her hand and cry with her. It could be me suffering the same challenge and potential loss.
DANIELS: Clint, I want to show our viewers your interview with her. Here it is.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: You know, some days I think that we may be hitting a wall, but you know I just—I can‘t give up.
VAN ZANDT: No.
TWITTY: I mean and it‘s not time and I mean I—you know and until we do hit a wall, you know we just have to keep going. I mean it‘s just not time.
VAN ZANDT: Beth, you‘ve had conversations with Natalee‘s friends who were with her on the island, who were with her the night she disappeared. What did they tell you happened at this local nightspot from the time that Natalee met Joran van der Sloot until the time she left with him?
TWITTY: You know even more important than that is what we know that Natalee would not do. And Natalee would not—she would not leave Carlos N‘ Charlie‘s and climb into the back seat of a car with Joran van der Sloot knowing that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were two of his best friends and driving that vehicle.
I know that. I know that for sure that Natalee Holloway felt that she was getting in the back seat of an Aruba cab with an Aruba cab driver. That—to me that‘s important to establish that first.
VAN ZANDT: Yes.
TWITTY: Now what preceded that? No, you know I think there—it was very minimal, the details of that. I mean Joran did not come into the establishment until close to closing time. I think this tends to be his, you know, his behavior.
VAN ZANDT: Now had Natalee met him before on the island prior to the night she went missing?
TWITTY: You know, Clint, if she had, it would have been in a brief hello and he met numerous students that night.
VAN ZANDT: Yes.
TWITTY: Of course, he spent the majority of the time with one of her classmates at a Texas Holdem table. Now he had met some of the other girls, I think, you know, for a greater length of time than Natalee. But if she did meet him, it was only in passing, hi, and then on to something else.
VAN ZANDT: Where were the chaperons? I mean why weren‘t they right there on top of these kids?
TWITTY: What was the authorities‘ response when the chaperones were trying to seek help? The authorities did not respond. So I mean you know I‘m not even so sure what good it would have done, Clint. We have not gotten anywhere since. And even with me arriving on the island as quickly as I did, I was not even able to get much of a sense of urgency reaction out of them. Well I wasn‘t—no, I didn‘t get any urgency reaction out of them. So...
VAN ZANDT: Let me ask you this. Some people say you‘re too close to the case. You‘re too close to the investigation. That you should back off and let the cops do their job. How do you feel about that?
TWITTY: Well I wish we could, Clint. I wish we could. I‘d give anything to know that I could turn this over to the authorities and that they were carrying out a timely and confident and thorough and honest investigation. But we were not given that when we—from the moment we‘ve arrived on the island, so we have not had that luxury.
So how can we let it—if we let it go now—we let it go in the beginning and what happened? It fell apart in front of us. So why would we back off now? What frightens me is if we didn‘t have the support from everyone from—in the U.S. that has just been incredibly supportive, if we had not had the media.
VAN ZANDT: You‘ve got to ask yourself, have I done everything. Have I done everything...
(CROSSTALK)
TWITTY: ... but what bothers me is...
VAN ZANDT: Sure.
TWITTY: ... all the support that I‘m getting they don‘t know that I‘ll spend the rest of my life doing something instrumental to think because I‘m not used to being on this side.
(CROSSTALK)
VAN ZANDT: Have you ever had a sat-down with the other mothers? With Joran van der Sloot‘s mother...
TWITTY: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
VAN ZANDT: ... with the Kalpoes‘ mother...
TWITTY: Not with the Kalpoes‘ mother, but with Anita van der Sloot.
VAN ZANDT: With Anita, mother to mother.
TWITTY: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
VAN ZANDT: How did you feel in that meeting? Did you feel she was...
(CROSSTALK)
TWITTY: You know the only thing that I could get from her was—you know, I realize parents will—you know are going to defend their children to the very end. The main thing I did with her, Clint, was I just listened and I just listened to her probably—oh it had to be at least 45 minutes on her just about Joran and she just couldn‘t quit saying just enough—just glorious things about him.
And just a mother, though, that when I was listening to her, she‘s just in complete denial. She has no—either she has no idea of Joran‘s, you know, behavior or she‘s just—I don‘t know, Clint. She‘s in complete denial. I mean this is a male that‘s—he‘s gambling at casinos with an open line of credit.
He‘s at Carlos N‘ Charlie‘s with a VIP pass. Is that what they give him? I don‘t know. I mean he‘s been doing this for a long time. He‘s got a well-known past. This is a mother who has no idea who her son really is.
VAN ZANDT: September 4 is closing in on us.
TWITTY: Yes.
VAN ZANDT: September 4 is the day Joran has another court appearance and it‘s my understanding that the judge then will have to make a decision. Is there enough new investigative information to hold him or turn him loose. Is that a pivotal date for you?
TWITTY: Oh absolutely. It‘s all that I can think about between now and September the 4th. And September the 4th I think is a Sunday, so surely we‘ll be finding something out either Friday—or Thursday or Friday or the Monday thereafter. It‘s all that we can think about.
VAN ZANDT: Do you think about one way or the other, the results, if he‘s released, if he‘s held, what that means to you and what you‘re trying to do to bring Natalee home.
TWITTY: No, I‘m not going to do it until I experience it. I haven‘t—
I‘ve done the whole investigation and this whole summer and I‘m just going to wait and see what happens and as soon as it happens, I‘ll know exactly what to do.
VAN ZANDT: What‘s your ultimate goal in this entire matter?
TWITTY: Just bring Natalee home. That‘s all we want to do, Clint. As soon as we can get her we are out of here.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
DANIELS: Clint, I‘ve got to tell you I think that was a terrific interview. You really connected with her. And no matter what you feel about what she‘s doing, your heart goes out to her. This has been all consuming for her. She has a son, Matt, at home. Is her family worried about her?
VAN ZANDT: Well you know I‘ve had the opportunity to talk to her friends and talk to her husband and how is she doing? I mean this is a woman of tremendous strength, but you‘ve got to understand, I mean she‘s out all day long doing this. She‘s meeting with people. She‘s dealing with the expressions of we‘re behind you, we‘re supporting you. She answers e-mails.
I mean but you know she‘s like you and me. I mean she has to go to bed at night and she has to find the emotional strength, the manna, that‘s going to get her up the next day. And you know she says I‘m not doing this and you know for those out there, she‘s not doing it for her. She‘s not doing it for the media. She‘s doing this for her daughter.
And you know when I hear people say you know this story is old, move on, I think, my God, what if that was your child? You know what—would you want to move on? I mean if it wasn‘t for the media here driving the story, I don‘t know where she would be. And to the other parents who have lost children out there, your kids are absolutely as important as she is. Somehow this story has legs. We‘re concerned about it. And I would want to see every child get the same level of support, but that shouldn‘t take away from this case.
DANIELS: Yes and I think every parent feels the same way. Clint Van Zandt. Thanks so much, Clint, for that report and all your others. We appreciate it.
Coming up, Beth Holloway Twitty is worried that Joran van der Sloot could get out of jail on September 4, so what do prosecutors need to do to keep him there? We‘re going to ask a top Aruban attorney. That‘s next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
DANIELS: Joran van der Sloot, the only suspect in Natalee Holloway‘s disappearance, still in custody is two weeks away from perhaps the biggest day in this case to date. On September 4, the chief prosecutor faces a huge decision. Now she can go before the judge and ask for a 30-day extension to his detention or she can go before a trial judge and ask for charges to be filed and a trial date to be set.
She also has one other choice. She can ask the judge for Joran van der Sloot to be released. Now joining us now to help understand the options Aruban attorney Arlene Ellis-Schipper. Always great to draw upon your expertise. Arlene, if the judge does grant an extension, that‘s a big if, is that it, no more extensions?
ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well, basically, it‘s not such a big if. As you know, the prosecution has 116 days to prepare its case and they‘re well within that term still. This is just another check and balance where a judge of instructions will assess the case whether there‘s still enough probable cause to maintain Joran van der Sloot in pretrial detention.
And I would have to correct you—there is not a possibility to appear in front of a trial judge. The prosecutor in our system has the sole right to make a summation to court. And that is something she has to do according to our law after the 30 days has been passed. So after 4 September, there‘s another 30 days, and then you‘re completing the 116 days where you have to issue a summation to court either pro forma or a real summation.
DANIELS: Got you. It‘s good that you clarified that. How strong does the new evidence have to be? Because this is the third extension. The prosecutor has shown lots of evidence before. How important does this new evidence have to be?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well it‘s not so necessarily new evidence. There still has to be probable cause. So basically it‘s not that huge what we‘re facing with. If an appeal court—and an appeal court has done that before, already found enough probable cause to maintain Joran van der Sloot in a pretrial detention, to me and I could be wrong, of course, it‘s pretty much a certain given that they will extend this time also, given the fact that they‘re still well between—within the 116 days.
After that, of course, they have to determine what criminal offense has been committed for to make—for them to make a summation. That is going to be the critical part.
DANIELS: OK, so if the prosecutor does ask for the charges to be filed and a trial date is set—let‘s assume that—am I correct at this point—the prosecution must present all her evidence against the suspect?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, basically, when you make a summation to court, you close the case as a prosecutor. And at that moment, you just—you present everything at court and also, for instance, at the victimize party, at that moment, the family Holloway gets complete insight of all court documents. On the other hand, if they‘re not ready, they can also issue what we call a pro forma summation, meaning that the case cannot be closed yet, but she has to describe and determine the criminal offenses that she is going to charge him with, an indictment actually in your lingo. And that means that she has to exactly describe what happened that night. And that‘s the difficulty in this case because we still don‘t know.
DANIELS: I‘m curious, because September 4 is a Sunday—typically will the hearing be done before September 4 or will it be done the following Monday?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: No, it has to be done before September 4 at a certain hour -- I don‘t know the hour exactly. The term of the 60 days pretrial detention ends. And before that, there has to be an order for an extension, otherwise he will be released because of formalities.
DANIELS: Arlene Ellis-Schipper, always good to have you on. There‘s so many misconceptions when it comes to Dutch law versus American law. Really appreciate it.

8-20-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?

On 8-20 BETH and ODUBER had a meeting. “She wants to see us continue making efforts,” ODUBER told reporters. “I guaranteed her that, as prime minister, we will continue looking for what happened.” ODUBER said he also urged BETH, who has been critical of the investigation into her daughter's disappearance, to be careful about her remarks regarding the DUTCH CARIBBEAN island's judicial system. “I appealed to her to be more careful with her expressions concerning our people in general because there are many people, and I am one of them ... who have stood by her side,” ODUBER said. He also urged Arubaans to be sensitive to the HOLLOWAY family's anguish. Some ARUBAN’s have expressed anger about the criticism their judicial system has faced from the HOLLOWAY family and UNITED STATES legal experts. “I ask Arubaans for a bit of understanding,” ODUBER said. “It is very painful to have a child with a brilliant future to disappear.”
On 8-20 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police.
On 8-20 ABC News reported:

Gay marriage rankles conservative Aruba
ORANJESTAD, Aruba Aug 20, 2005 (AP)— When two women tried to register as a married couple in Aruba last year, people on this Dutch island threw rocks at them, slashed their car tires and protested against gay unions outside Parliament.
The hostility eventually led Charlene and Esther Oduber-Lamers to flee the Caribbean territory, which refused to recognize their marriage even though the couple legally wed in the Netherlands four years ago.
"I couldn't sleep anymore," Charlene, a 33-year-old Aruba native, said in a phone interview from Holland, where the couple has lived since November. "I felt like maybe they wanted to kill us."
The strong emotions ignited by the couple's legal fight seeking to force Aruba's government to recognize their marriage has underlined a deep cultural rift between liberal Holland and its conservative former colony.
"If we accept gay marriage, would we next have to accept Holland's marijuana bars and euthanasia?" government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg said. "They have their culture, we have ours."
The case was a leading topic of discussion on Aruba until recently, when it was eclipsed by the search for Natalee Holloway, an Alabama teenager who vanished May 30 after leaving a bar with three local men on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the island.
After the Public Registry rejected the Oduber-Lamers' marriage certificate, they filed a lawsuit charging Aruba's government with discrimination. An island court ruled their union should be recognized.
The government appealed, and a ruling is expected Tuesday. Authorities vow to pursue the matter to the Supreme Court of the Netherlands if necessary, arguing that the idea of gay marriage strikes at the very heart of Aruban life.
Aruba, lying just off the Venezuela's northern coast, was once a Dutch colony but is now an autonomous republic within the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Dutch law requires the kingdom's three parts the Netherlands, Aruba and the Dutch Antilles to recognize each other's legal documents, including marriage certificates. But Aruba's government contends the law also grants the island self-rule and thus it should be permitted to ignore same-sex marriages from the Netherlands, which legalized such unions in 2001.
"We can't let this become a precedent," said Hendrik Croes, a lawyer for Aruba's government. "Gay marriage is against the civil code and Aruban morals."
Despite strong ties to the Netherlands, which is one of Europe's most liberal nations in social mores, Aruba is more culturally in tune with Latin America.
While Dutch is the island's official language, most Arubaans speak Papiamento, a mix of Spanish and Portuguese. More than 80 percent of the island's 97,000 people are Roman Catholic, and the largest number of immigrants come from Venezuela and Colombia.
Few people are openly gay on the island. Locals say many homosexuals move to the Netherlands rather than face persecution at home.
"Being gay is still taboo in Aruba," said Guisette Croes, 41, a lesbian who owns a music store in the capital, Oranjestad, and is not related to the government's lawyer. "You have Dutch law here, but you also have conservative Latin American people."
Charlene Oduber-Lamers said she knew winning recognition of her marriage would not be easy.
Not having their marriage recognized meant Esther, a 38-year-old Dutch citizen, could not get health benefits from Charlene's job or stay on the island for more than six months a year under Aruban immigration laws.
It also meant she would not get custody of the couple's 2-year-old daughter should something happen to Charlene, who gave birth to the child with an implanted egg from Esther.
After the couple filed their lawsuit, people began to heckle them and make critical remarks on the street, in the supermarket and at Charlene's job at the Aruban Department of Social Affairs. Someone threw rocks at them, and their tires were slashed outside a hotel.
The couple received public support from Dutch gay rights groups and a liberal political party in the Netherlands, D-66, but local organizations kept a much lower profile. The main Aruban gay rights group declined to comment, saying it did not want to draw attention.
Charlene said stress over the case caused her to have anxiety attacks.
"I never imagined the situation would go this far," she said. "It's been very painful."



On 8-20 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News “Big Story” that FRED GOLBA and his dogs are back on the island and will be undertaking some searches (probably at the landfill and/or other locations) with ARUBAN search and rescue team in assistance. BETH also stated that the divers who postponed their search operations today, will dive tomorrow but BETH did not provide any details as to where they are diving.


8-21-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?

On 8-21 GOLBA and 5 or 6 other persons searched the dunes near the “California” lighthouse. BETH accompanied them.
On 8-21 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that if Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT is released without any travel restrictions that she believes that he will quickly leave ARUBA.
On 8-21 when asked when her vigil will end, BETH stated, “I will never stop.” If it takes her 40 or more years she will continue asking questions and speaking for NATALEE. All she wants is to return NATALEE to her country, and “we will leave.”
On 8-21 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that if it had not been for the slow, inept investigation in the beginning, this case would have been solved within a few days.
On 8-21 JUG TWITTY stated they have no longer have their liaison between the family and the authorities. JUG TWITTY also said that BETH is returning to the UNITED STATES for a fundraiser that actress COURTNEY COX is participating in on 8-25 (COX was a Mountain Brook high school graduate)
On 8-21 the ocean location that JOE WALKER had indicated was dove on by divers with no results reported (underwater photos were captured). ART WOOD was there. ART WOOD stated the conditions were rough for the 6 divers and they want to do a grid search within the next week. ART WOOD stated he and WALKER triangulated about 30 readings during the last week that all triangulated to a same general location.
On 8-21 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police

8-22-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?

On 8-22 GRETA VAN SUSTEREN reported in her “Gretawire” blog:

E-mail No. 1
Greta,Rhe chat rooms are buzzing with the rumor about your husband having real estate dealings with George Twitty... please verify. If true, is it Jug or his Dad? Thanks in advance for your response.Debbie Bronson
ANSWER: Debbie, in the last few days I have received a bunch of e-mails about this and ignored them since I figured just a silly rumor and when you are in the public eye, lots of rumors fly. You can't answer all of them and ignoring them is often the best idea. But after giving it some thought, I figured I should answer the question. The answer is no, my husband does not know anyone in the Twitty family and has no business dealings with any of them. (However he now teases me after I told him of the rumors and says he has to meet with his business partner Jug this week and will thus be out of town... so the rumors have now unleashed a comedian in my family. The joke is getting old.) I hope you pass this on so that we can put an end to this rumor.P.S. I told Beth about the rumors, too and like my husband, she got a few laughs about how wild rumors can fly. She could use a few laughs... things are very tough for her.
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E-mail No. 4
Dear Greta,There are rumors that are all against Beth and Jug Twitty going on blogs on the Internet.First of all, that Natalee Holloway ran away twice before: Puerto Rico and I don’t remember where else.... I have been doing my best with limited knowledge to combat their posts.Now it is being rumored that Jug Twitty and your husband are partners with two Arubans — one German, one Dutch unidentified — in a huge land deal in Virginia with much money involved and that it is a motive for someone who is involved in this to have motive to steal Natalee.If you could dispel these rumors or give me something to post against them I would surely appreciate it...I think if Joran gets off, these other scenarios are going to surface. It'd be best to get rid of them now. I would hate to see this turn the way it is looking on that site. If you could log on and view the site I think you will see what I mean.Sincerely,Max Cutlip
ANSWER: See my response above, to E-mail No. 1. It seems the rumor is getting more legs... now the rumored business deal includes a German, two Arubans and one Dutch... and a motive to get Natalee all rolled into one. By tomorrow the rumor may include one Frenchman, four Chinese and a cat. The Internet is a wonderful research tool, but it sure does get wild.
Send your thoughts and comments to: ontherecord@foxnews.com




On 8-22 FOX News reported:

Aruba PM: We Made Mistakes
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Aruba's prime minister believes that authorities made mistakes at the start of the investigation of the Natalee Holloway case, a government spokesman said Monday.
Beth Holloway Twitty, who has often criticized authorities on the Dutch Caribbean island since her daughter disappeared on May 30, met in private with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber over the weekend.
"I think that he's in absolute agreement that the initial investigation has been so badly botched," Holloway Twitty said on NBC's "Today" show.
She said the prime minister also told her that Aruba needs to review the first stages of the investigation to find out "who let this go wrong."
Oduber told reporters over the weekend that during the meeting he assured the Alabama woman that Investigators would not stop looking for answers about the fate of her 18-year-old daughter.
Government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg said Monday the prime minister had expressed concerns about the initial investigation, though he used more cautious language.
"The prime minister agreed that in the beginning the case could have been better handled," Trapenberg said. "He didn't say it had been 'botched."'
Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen leaving a bar with three young local men on the final night of a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Police and hundreds of volunteers have searched the island, but found no trace of her.
An 18-year-old Dutch resident of Aruba, Joran van der Sloot, has been detained as a suspect but no charges have been filed. At a hearing in September, a court is expected to decide if there is enough evidence to continue holding him.



On 8-22 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to CNN that an unnamed 16-year-old ARUBAN girl is getting ready to go to the ARUBA prosecutor and tell about a Spring 2005 date-rape by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT that also involved a date-rape drug. The girl has retained an unnamed, male, ARUBAN attorney according to ART WOOD. ART WOOD also reported that the woman has 2 ARUBAN friends who “had a similar experience” to the drugged date-rape by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. EDUARDO MANSUR was present when ART WOOD spoke with the 3 females today. ART WOOD also reported that other women may come forward.
On 8-22 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that last week they met with, and now they have hired ARUBAN attorney MARY LeJUEZ. LeJUEZ has experience as a Prosecutor, chief Prosecutor, Deputy Attorney General of Aruba. And has represented Aruba in several United Nations General Assemblies, A.O.S Conferences and Money Laundry Conferences in U.S.A., Europe and Central America, is the Co-founder of a Legal Aid Center in Aruba, served on the board of several foundations and the National Council for Women, and consults for numerous prestigious international companies. Among other things BETH mentioned that LeJUEZ’s “fresh pair of eyes” may help them to “cover every base.”
On 8-22 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that the 8-20, 30-minute meeting between BETH and ODUBER was arranged by BOB DILELLA. BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that ODUBER agreed that the 3 Murder Suspect boys should not have been released from custody on 5-31. BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News “I wanted to make it perfectly clear to him that there is no way I will accept not having answers to where Natalee is. “I am not going to accept that, especially with how poorly the investigation was handled in the beginning. Incredible mistakes where made early on.” “We certainly would not want to prosecute the wrong individuals.” BETH emphasized that ODUBER and BRIESEN “are the only two officials who have stepped forward to me on the island” and she respects them for that. BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated again that she has had no communication from/with ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN since the last time.
On 8-22 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that GOLBA searched today in the dunes near the “California” lighthouse, and GOLBA has spoken about expanding towards the area between the lighthouse to the “Marriott Hotel” beach fishermen's huts. BETH also said that there may be another ocean dive on 8-23.
On 8-22 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that she had heard that the Police have located the anonymous tipster/jogger, but she Is not certain he has been located.
On 8-22 CLIVE PAULA told CNN that the ocean floor area that he and 5 other divers voluntarily searched 8-21 was about 500’ by 200’. Visibility was good but the divers found nothing significant. PAULA said there is a planned dive for 8-25, and hopefully at least one more after that.
On 8-22 TITO LACLE happened to see, then speak with Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT at the office of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s lawyer. The lawyer was hesitant about the two men being there and speaking, but Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT did speak with TITO LACLE. TITO LACLE would not comment about much of what they spoke about, and only said Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT “was not sweating” and appeared relaxed. He also said that ANITA VAN DER SLOOT is working again at the “Aruba International School.”
On 8-22 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that the judge’s decision expected today about the appeal of defense lawyers to obtain more of the Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT interrogations videotapes, interrogations transcripts, and transcripts of Police-tapped phone calls of Murder Suspects was not made. TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that a decision could come 8-23, or next week. The defense lawyers have said that they are not receiving investigation information at all, or, not receiving it in a timely manner. TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that the prosecution does have a right to withhold information if the information can harm an on-going investigation.
On 8-22 ELLIS-SCHIPPER (member of the "Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force") claimed that there is, apparently, enough evidence that a judge sees in the prosecutor’s investigation file to hold Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , but the defense seems to be saying they do not see enough to hold their Suspect, so, ELLIS-SCHIPPER speculated that there must be evidence that is being withheld.
On 8-22 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that a polygraph expert is in ARUBA. The polygrapher’s name is JAMIE SKEETERS and BETH has met him, but NATALEE’s Loved Ones did not hire him.
On 8-22 GRIMM said that the ARUBAN’s should use a polygraph test as an investigative tool. GRIMM predicted on 8-22 that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT would be released from confinement, that he would later admit to someone(s) he was involved in NATALEE’s disappearance, and that he would be charged and convicted of a crime.
On 8-22 TED WILLIAMS said that the case “is headed towards a circus and sideshow.” WILLIAMS predicts that without physical evidence nor anyone confessing, that no one will ever be convicted of a crime against NATALEE.
On 8-22 HAMMER said that if Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s defense attorneys receive investigation information, but there is no “bombshell” evidence that the prosecution has not made available previously, that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT will become even more silent.
On 8-22 CATHY CADMUS (SHELBY CADMUS’ mother) told FOX News that they believe Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT is completely innocent. (O’REILLY would not name CADMUS) CADMUS said that her family and the Murder Suspects SLOOT’s family became friends around 2001, and during the month of August of 2002 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT stayed with them in NJ and went to a camp with SHELBY. She described the two teens as becoming “very close,” and admitted that they allowed the 15-year-olds to drink. CADMUS said the family’s are still friends and staying in close contact during the investigation.
On 8-22 it was reported that Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT has not hired RIZZO, but RIZZO did offer his services to them. RIZZO said he will be in ARUBA circa 9-4.
On 8-22 it was reported that the prison fight that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT may have been a participant in circa 8-1 occurred during a prison soccer game, and was broken up by prison guards after the shorter combatant landed some good blows onto Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT.
On 8-22 MSNBC showed film of Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE returning to “Carlos 'N Charlie's" the evening of 8-19.
On 8-22 experienced F.B.I. criminal profiler CLINT VAN ZANDT stated to MSNBC that while he was in ARUBA last week he was told that several women “from multiple nationalities” are coming forward to ARUBAN Police with allegations of predatory sexual advances on them by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT.
On 8-22 “Aruba Today” wrote, “The landfill has not been searched at since a group led by local people caused a fire at one of the spots.”
On 8-22 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police


On 8-22 MSNBC reported:

An All-American Girl Goes Missing: We Must Not Keep Quiet (Joe Scarborough)
The Natalee Holloway investigation continues its frustrating crawl on the island of Aruba. Even as many signs point to the prime suspect, Joran van der Sloot, the investigation is at a near standstill. Sure, Joran sits in jail, but the Kalpoe brothers — his and Natalee’s companions in the late hours that night — walk free, and on September 4th, the court will decide whether to charge Joran, extend his incarceration for 30 days or let him walk. Meantime, hardly anything is being done to move things forward.
Except, of course, for the efforts of Natalee’s mother, Beth. She’s stood up against an Aruban government that too often seems intent not on trying to find out what happened to Natalee but on making us all forget about Natalee. But Beth has refused to let them bury this case. Because of her, we won’t forget that a young woman, an American girl, has vanished.
Now, we have gotten a lot of questions about how Beth is able to spend so much time away from home, searching for her daughter. This week she told us that it‘s due in great measure to the generosity of her fellow teachers in Alabama. They have donated their sick days at school so Beth can continue to stay in Aruba, fighting to bring Natalee home. Beth expressed how overwhelmed she is by all of her fellow teachers’ acts of kindness, and I know she greatly appreciates it, as do we.
This tragic story plays out now against an even more sad reality. Remember, friends, that right now, all of Natalee‘s friends are going off to the University of Alabama, the University of Auburn, to begin their college years. It is, should be, such an exciting time in a young girl‘s life, and such an exciting time in a parent’s life. It‘s a time they can say, “You know what, mission accomplished. We got them through high school. And now they begin an exciting voyage,” Yet tonight, Beth Holloway Twitty, far away from Alabama, down in Aruba, is still trying to get answers to the questions that she just doesn‘t have.
What can you do? You can make a difference by contacting your local legislators and making sure that they‘re applying pressure through the proper authorities, not only in America, but also in Holland and in Aruba. Joran van der Sloot‘s judgment day on September 4th approaches. We must all stay vigilant.



On 8-22 MSNBC reported:
(VIDEO here , including footage of Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE returning to “Carlos ‘N Charlie‘s“)

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: Tonight‘s top headline: exclusive. SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY catches suspect Kalpoe returning to the alleged scene of the crime. Our SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY cameras are rolling at Carlos ‘n Charlie‘s, where Natalee Holloway was last seen, when Kalpoe shows up. He shows up. We bust him.
Also tonight, who is the mysterious late night jogger? And will what he saw break Natalee‘s case wide open? Then, John Walsh from “America‘s Most Wanted” is in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY with tough talk on the investigation, the suspects, and what has to happen now in the search for Natalee.
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But, first, a lot going on in Aruba, SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY exclusive caught on tape. Our cameras are there when one of the suspects in Natalee Holloway‘s disappearance decides to head out for a little partying late Friday night. And you are just not going to believe where the guy went. We‘re going to show you that video and get reaction from Natalee‘s family in just a minute.
But, first, let‘s go live to Aruba and NBC‘s Michelle Kosinski.
Michelle, what‘s the latest down there? Plus, we‘re hearing about information about a possible late-night jogger? What have you got for us?
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Yes. It just adds to the mystery of this.
Late Friday, police put out this bulletin to local media saying that they urgently, urgently—they used that word several times—need to find this late-night jogger who was around the area of the racket club here on this island. That‘s that same place that was drained because another witness claimed that he saw all the suspects together the night Natalee disappeared in that same area.
Well, this jogger supposedly came to police early on himself, gave them some information, clues, in fact, that police say are very, very important to this case. And, in fact, that‘s all they‘ll tell us. It‘s very sensitive to the investigation right now. But when this man came forward initially, police say he wanted to remain anonymous. Now, for some reason that they won‘t tell us, they need to talk to him again.
And, at this point, they‘re just hoping that he will come forward—Joe.
SCARBOROUGH: Now, Michelle, I understand there is a possibility that women are starting to come forward with—about stories of Joran. What can you tell us about that?
KOSINSKI: Well, yes. We‘ve been hearing rumors about other young women out there for weeks. Supposedly, they have talked to police. But police won‘t tell us anything about this.
Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran van der Sloot.
Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against van der Sloot.
But keep in mind, we haven‘t been able to talk to any of these young ladies who had these allegations now that might help this case if they are proven to be true.
SCARBOROUGH: And, Michelle, I understand this weekend that Natalee‘s mom went to visit a high-ranking official in Aruba. Tell us about that.
KOSINSKI: Yes, the time is drawing down, less than two weeks now before the time that Joran van der Sloot could be released from jail. So now Natalee‘s mother has not been shy about trying to push this case forward any way she can. She set up herself this special meeting with the Aruban prime minister over the weekend.
She wanted to get his advice on how to pressure the investigation, how to gain more access from both investigators and prosecutors and also get his continued support in moving this case. And, in fact, he‘s agreed with her in the past that things happened early on in this investigation. Then, you know, people dropped the ball, that things should have been handled differently.
But, in return, he asked her to be more gentle in her speech, not to criticize the justice system so much, because, right now, everything is riding on how this system goes at this point.
SCARBOROUGH: No doubt about it. NBC‘s Michelle Kosinski, thanks so much for that report. Stay with us.
Now, I want to show you our exclusive video from this weekend in Aruba. This is suspect Deepak Kalpoe out late Friday night. And where is he? Well, he‘s at the front door of Carlos ‘n Charlie‘s, the last place Natalee Holloway was seen alive, before she got into a car with Deepak and his brother and Joran van der Sloot.
Now, you can see him duck out of sight as soon as he sees our camera.
Unbelievable development.
Let me bring in right now Clint Van Zandt. He‘s an MSNBC analyst, former FBI profiler, who obviously just returned from Aruba, where he had an exclusive sit-down with Deepak.
Clint, I have got to ask you, what do you think about the fact that after this guy talks to you, a few hours later, he gets in his car and he goes back to a place that a lot of people consider to be the scene of the crime? Good judgment on his part?
CLINT VAN ZANDT, MSNBC ANALYST: I don‘t think so, Joe.
Again, you know, this is a 21-year-old kid who is caught in a time warp right now. There is not a lot going on, on that island for somebody his age, unless he goes down to a place like that. But bottom line is, I think, were I he, I would stay away until this whole thing got resolved. So, to show up there again, it shows bad judgment, as far as I‘m concerned.
I think that‘s a place he should just stay away from for a while.
SCARBOROUGH: Extraordinarily bad judgment. Obviously, he knows it‘s hot enough. And, again, you look at the picture. He sees us, he ducks out of the way. You sit here wondering if this guy has anybody talking to him, advising him on how to act and what he should do on
I want to ask you, you‘ve had some time to digest your exclusive interview with Deepak. You got to talk to this guy more than anybody else outside of the Aruban authorities, the investigators on the island there.
VAN ZANDT: Yes.
SCARBOROUGH: Tell me, in retrospect, what do you take away from that meeting from him?
VAN ZANDT: Well, you know, Joe, you run into a lot of people in life, probably to include myself, who wish we had take-backs, wish we could take something back in life, something you said, something you did.
He impresses me as somebody who would really like to have one take-back. It‘s not as much he said. It‘s just, you know, when you kind of look at the guy‘s face, that it‘s just, you see a combination of fear and disconcern. And he doesn‘t know where his life is going. He doesn‘t know what‘s going on.
And, again, this is not—no matter what he may have done, this is still not Dennis Rader. This is not BTK. This is a 21-year-old kid who may, who may have made a very serious mistake, either on his own, with his brother, or with the primary suspect, who, as you suggest, there is more and more information.
When I was in Aruba last week, and I knew these stories were coming out about Joran van der Sloot and about allegations concerning him and other women. But, you know, from my point as an FBI, a former FBI agent, I don‘t want to hurt the locals‘ case. I didn‘t want to—I didn‘t want them to say, hey, it‘s the media, who broke this story.
SCARBOROUGH: OK. Let me stop you there. Are you telling me, Clint, that you had information that authorities down there are hot on Joran‘s trail because other women are coming forward saying that he may have drugged them and then had unwanted sex with them?
VAN ZANDT: I was aware that those allegations were out there and that they‘re coming from women from multiple countries, different nationalities, Joe.
SCARBOROUGH: Really?
VAN ZANDT: And now it‘s—we keep saying give the police a chance to put their own case together. Well, somehow that information is—was released down there and is going to be published in the local paper tomorrow.
I hope this is the incentive that you‘ve asked for, that Beth Twitty has asked for, that other women, if they‘ve been a victim of anyone involved in this case or anybody else down there, now‘s the time to stand up and say, I won‘t be silent. I won‘t see other women become victims also.
SCARBOROUGH: So, Clint, you—and you did tell us and other people told us that people on the inside of this investigation were looking at this Dutch kid as possibly being a sexual predator.
If that in fact is revealed tomorrow, do they believe, as you said last week, that the way to solve this case may not be on the beaches of Aruba, but in the United States, in Europe, in other countries where young women have gone down there and been victimized by this guy?
VAN ZANDT: I think that‘s going to help, Joe.
Right now, as you well know, we still don‘t have a victim. We‘ve got a missing person in Natalee‘s case. But we don‘t have a victim. We don‘t have a crime scene. We don‘t have linking physical evidence. We have statements by Joran himself that he took inappropriate liberties. But nobody can say that he or the two Kalpoe brothers did anything up to and including murder right now.
But if there are other crimes that he or others are guilty of, if other women have been victims, these are the things the authorities need to know about and start building a case, not only concerning Natalee, but concerning other women who may have been victimized who have decided, no more. Nobody else is going to be a victim of anyone like this.
SCARBOROUGH: And, more importantly, you can keep him in jail past September the 4th and continue to build your case against Natalee.
Stay with us, Clint. I want to bring in right now a member of Natalee‘s family and ask how he‘s reacting to word that Deepak Kalpoe is having nights out on the town at Carlos ‘n Charlie‘s. Let‘s bring in Natalee‘s uncle, Paul Reynolds.
Paul, we‘ve shown the video. I want to show you the video again. What do you think of this kid going back to the scene of the crime, the alleged scene of the crime? I think we all know that a crime occurred there. But I have to still say alleged. And going back to Carlos ‘n Charlie‘s? Does that bother you? Does that bother your sister. Does that bother the entire family?
PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, my first thought was, here he‘s complaining because my sister visited him at the Internet cafe. And now he‘s back at Carlos ‘n Charlie‘s, as you said, the scene of the crime, which we definitely think that it is.
SCARBOROUGH: And what do you think about that?
REYNOLDS: Well, it‘s amazing that—but this is what he‘s been doing. This has been his life. And we definitely think that he‘s a predator, him and Joran, the episode that we heard from the young girl that said she met him last April, the way he stalked at the club, the way Deepak and Satish sat on the sidelines, the way—I can just see the way they parked the car, so that it looks like a taxi, so they can either drug the girls or give them enough to drink, so that they aren‘t really aware they‘re getting into their car, but they think it‘s a taxi.
SCARBOROUGH: And, of course, that‘s exactly what your sister said she thought the setup was.
Have you talked to your sister or anybody else in the family about the fact that Deepak is going back to his old familiar haunt, where your loved one was last seen?
REYNOLDS: I have. And she was just as surprised as I was. But he does seem to be getting bad advice. But whatever it is, he‘s just going back into his routine. And it just amazes us that he‘s free. With what we know about him, with what we‘ve—the reports have come in, the reports that the statements that the other boys have made, we don‘t understand why he‘s free. We don‘t understand why walking around. And we certainly don‘t understand why he‘s back at Carlos ‘n Charlie‘s.
SCARBOROUGH: The guy is able to go back to Carlos ‘n Charlie‘s when his own buddy, Joran van der Sloot, tells police that he‘s the one that‘s responsible, Joran at least said, reportedly, for raping and killing Natalee. And this guy is running around.
Stay with us, because I‘m going to ask you, Paul, what you think of Clint Van Zandt‘s exclusive interview last week and more on the night Natalee disappeared. We want you to check out what happens inside Carlos ‘n Charlie‘s. We‘re going to have exclusive video of the last place she was last seen alive.
And also, coming up, how is Natalee‘s family coping after so many weeks? We are going to hear from a man who knows firsthand.
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JOHN WALSH, HOST, “AMERICA‘S MOST WANTED”: And this mother, God bless her and the family that‘s helping her. I tell them one thing. Stay there until you get some answers.
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SCARBOROUGH: John Walsh comes to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY tonight.
And next, the case of missing honeymooner George Smith IV. Is there a cover-up and what happened that night on the cruise?
SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY‘s investigation continues, that plus a lot more.
It‘s a night and we‘re just getting started.
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SCARBOROUGH: His disappearance has made headlines and rocked the cruise world, but who is missing American groom George Smith IV? We go to his hometown to find out, that and a lot more coming up when SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY returns.
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SCARBOROUGH: I want you to take another look as SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY cameras capture suspect Deepak Kalpoe on his way into Carlos ‘n Charlie‘s at 1:00 a.m. in the morning on Friday.
We are back right now with Natalee Holloway‘s uncle, Paul Reynolds, NBC‘s Michelle Kosinski and former FBI profiler and MSNBC analyst Clint Van Zandt.
Michelle, I want to show you right now some video that we got exclusively from inside of Carlos ‘n Charlie‘s. And it looks like a pretty rough scene there. Can you set the stage for us here? You have got people, I think, having vodka poured into their mouth as they‘re lined up. We are having to blur out some faces. It‘s a congo line where they go past and people are just pouring liquor.
I mean, is that the place people go, basically, to get smashed on the island?
KOSINSKI: Yes, basically.
And what‘s interesting is, this is the season that it‘s not even that busy. You still have cruise ships coming in all the time. You know, people get off that boat. They know Carlos ‘n Charlie‘s is right there off of the port. It‘s a good time ready to happen for all kinds of people. You see young. You see old. And it‘s the very young that a lot of people here and from the states have a problem with.
I mean, you go in there some nights and you see very, very young girls. And obviously many times, from in video and anecdotally and what people here will readily tell you, those girls don‘t have any problem getting served. But Carlos ‘n Charlie‘s, we should say, does card at the door. And they‘ll tell you, you know, we do check I.D.s.
Part of the problem is, a lot of these kids have fake I.D.s. And they will go out 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning. The party is just getting started.
SCARBOROUGH: Yes. Unfortunately, it can get out of control quickly.
Paul, you know, Clint Van Zandt obviously talked to Deepak last week. I just want to give you a chance right now, as a member of the family, do you have any questions for Clint about that meeting, what he took away from it?
REYNOLDS: Yes. I would really like to know the initial impression.
Just what kind of a person do you think he is?
VAN ZANDT: Yes.
You know, Paul, when I looked at this guy again, you know, it wasn‘t a confrontational situation, like your sister had. You know, realize, when I ask him if this case was going to be resolved on this September 4 court hearing, and he said, no, no, no, Beth will never let it be resolved. I mean, that shows me he understands the tenacity of your sister and how much your family wants to resolve this.
This is something that‘s not going to be blown away in the wind and it‘s not going to be swept under the rug. And this guy may be counting his days one day at a time on his fingertips.
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SCARBOROUGH: All right.
Thanks so much, Paul Reynolds, NBC‘s Michelle Kosinski and Clint Van Zandt. Greatly appreciate all of your help tonight.



On 8-22 CNNHN reported:

Day 85 in Natalee Holloway Case
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, day 85 in the Natalee Holloway case, the 18-year-old girl missing from her high school senior trip. This week, Natalee would have started classes at the University of Alabama, full scholarship. And tonight, Aruba`s prime minister -- that`s right, the PM - - admits Aruban authorities blew the investigation into Natalee`s disappearance.
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But first: Aruba`s prime minister admits Aruban authorities bungled the Natalee Holloway case from the get-go. With us tonight in Aruba, Jossy Mansur. He is the managing director and editor of "Diario" newspaper. In Philadelphia, defense attorney Joe Lawless. In San Francisco, defense attorney Daniel Horowitz. In New York, forensic scientist Dr. Larry Kobilinsky and psychotherapist Lauren Howard.But first, let`s go to WBMA reporter Anastasiya Bolton. Anastasiya, bring us up to date, friend.ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA: Nancy, first of all, welcome back.GRACE: Thank you.BOLTON: Now, the Aruban prime minister did meet with Beth Holloway Twitty over the weekend. And she went on to say that he did admit that the investigation was badly "botched," quote.GRACE: Whew!BOLTON: Now, there is some war of words going back and forth now. The spokesman for the prime minister said that the prime minister did agree that the beginning of the case could have been better handled, but he never said it had been botched. Nevertheless, the prime minister does promise that the Aruban authorities will not rest until the resolution in this case is found.I`ve spoken with sources from the prime minister`s office today, and let me make one thing clear. The prime minister really does not have the authority over this investigation. He is over the executive branch, and there`s the prosecution. Prosecution and police are over completely separate branches of that government. So he really does not have the authority to tell...GRACE: OK. I get that, Anastasiya. Don`t leave. With us, WBMA-TV reporter Anastasiya Bolton.But Joe Lawless, isn`t that like saying, Well, now, listen, Bush has nothing to do with what the district attorney in Atlanta, Georgia, is going to do with a murder case? Well, theoretically, of course not. But when you`ve got the PM saying you botched the case, although now they`re definitely backing off the "botched" word, the B word...JOE LAWLESS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, yes. If you`re the president or the prime minister, you`ve got a bully pulpit. You`ve got an opportunity to exert pressure on investigative authorities. And Nancy, I think what`s key here is when someone says, in what I think now, unfortunately, is a homicide investigation -- when you`ve botched the beginning of a homicide investigation, you`ve pretty much botched the investigation because if those aren`t solved or if you don`t have some key clues locked in at the beginning, it makes it much harder to get a resolution down at the end.I think the prime minister can exert a lot more pressure, if only because of public opinion, if nothing else, and I think he should keep doing it.GRACE: Speaking of exerting pressure, back to Anastasiya Bolton with WBMA-TV. Anastasiya, didn`t the prime minister also tell Natalee`s mother that she should be careful in her comments regarding the Aruban authorities?BOLTON: I have not heard that. I understand that he just did reassure her that everything is going to go, well, fine, or he`s just saying that they`re going to do an absolute best to keep the investigation going. Let me also mention, again, the...GRACE: Anastasiya...(CROSSTALK)BOLTON: ... Aruban government told me today that it is good news, that the authorities are still saying that they`re working on this case and they`re not calling this a cold case. So he said...GRACE: Well...BOLTON: ... indeed, that there is some good news in all of this.GRACE: Anastasiya, I really do appreciate that they`re claiming it`s not a cold case. But I`ve got in front of me, Anastasiya, a report from the AP, Associated Press. Now, unless the AP is lying, this is what they report, that the prime minister said he urged Holloway Twitty, who has been critical of the probe into her daughter`s disappearance, to be careful about her remarks regarding the island`s judicial system.Now, speaking of exerting influence, Daniel Horowitz, what do you make of that comment by the Aruban PM? This is the same guy that didn`t even spell Natalee`s name correctly in the last letter that he issued.DANIEL HOROWITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, we might as well change his name from PM to PR. He`s a public relations person for a resort community. Nancy, I`ve been saying this, and it really hurts me to say it, but in two weeks, Joran van der Sloot is going to be let go, and they`re doing damage control. They`ve been trying to dig up dumps, go find witnesses, all to say, Look how much we`ve done, and, Oh, we care so much. Bottom line is they blew it. Americans should go to the U.S. Virgin Islands for a vacation...GRACE: Hey, so Daniel...HOROWITZ: ... where American law applies.GRACE: Daniel...HOROWITZ: Yes?GRACE: ... I plan to see America first. If I have to hop a Greyhound, I will see America first before I head down to Aruba after all of this.Let`s go to Jossy Mansur. Maybe he can help us out. He`s the managing director and editor of "Diario." Jossy, is it true that the Aruban prime minister told Beth Holloway Twitty, according to this report by Associated Press, that she should be careful regarding her comments about the Aruban judicial system?JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": I believe he did say something in that sense, but I believe that what he meant was that she should be more reserved in her comments as far as the criticism is concerned towards the Aruban authorities.GRACE: Why is that?MANSUR: Because he`s the prime minister. This is his government. He presides over five to seven other ministers. And he has a big responsibility towards the public here.GRACE: Well, speaking of what the Aruban authorities are doing, they`re not helping search the landfill, Jossy. It`s been the group from Texas and other Americans, right, Ellie (ph), searching the landfill.UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And Aruba search and rescue, as well.GRACE: Aruba search -- well, I`m glad to hear that.UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.GRACE: Hey, Jossy, take a listen to this.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: It`s just so unfair that whoever made these crucial mistakes, whether it was due to a cover-up, just blatant, inept -- I don`t know which one played the larger role, and -- but I know things went terribly, terribly wrong in the beginning, and we are still to this day going through, you know, feeling the repercussions of that.What`s so sad is, look at all the people that have been involved in this and have put forth so much effort, from dive teams to Equusearch to family members. And our lives are -- have just been turned upside down, all of our friends and family in Mountain Brook and Birmingham, and gosh, all the people that have been involved all over the U.S. It`s just such a tragedy that we`ve all had to go through this because of those first few days of the investigation.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: I can`t stress enough how important the first few days -- actually, the first few hours -- of an investigation are, if you want results.And remember, this week, today, tonight, should have been Natalee Holloway`s first week away at college, full scholarship! Who on this panel, as esteemed as you all are, can say you had a full scholarship to go to college, that you were that smart, that you made grades that good, to go be a doctor and help other people! My little nephew took off for college last week. Of course, we`re all in tears about that. But she should be in the bookstore tonight. She should be -- about right now, she should be leaving the cafeteria with a group of girlfriends, deciding if they`re going to the library, for Pete`s sake. Her mom should be making sure all of her little clothes are folded up and put in those horrible metal drawers in your dorm.But instead, the speculation is this girl is deteriorating at the bottom of a landfill or out to sea, where she will never be recovered.You know, Jossy Mansur, I`m still disturbed that the Aruban prime minister told Beth Holloway Twitty that she should be careful -- those were his words -- about what she says about the Aruban government. And it`s my understanding that Aruban search and rescue has looked into that landfill, that the Texas group, Equusearch, has searched it, that another group is planning to search it. Where`s the Aruban government when it comes to the landfill?MANSUR: Well, there hasn`t been much cooperation in that field over there. The only cooperation that was received in the beginning was that half day off for the public workers so that they could go en masse and help search for Natalee. The rest has been done by the Equusearch from Texas, the Golba team that is here now, and the Aruba search and rescue team, and other private members of the community.GRACE: Right. Right. Aruban search and rescue is not a government group. And now we`re hearing that the prime minister did not say "botched," Lauren Howard. But isn`t this parsing words?LAUREN HOWARD, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: From day one, Aruba has taken an extremely defensive posture. They have closed ranks, protected their own. They do not have crime on this island. And the immediate response was not, Let`s find out what happened, the immediate response was, Let`s gather together into our sort of closed community and take a defensive posture and not have the world -- world opinion pointing a finger at us as an untoward place to go.GRACE: Well, you know what? Let`s get right down to the actual investigation of what is going on tonight. Very quickly, back to Anastasiya Bolton with WBMA-TV. We were all told that once the gardener -- who was discovered, actually, by Jossy Mansur, who is with us tonight -- gave his sworn statement to a judge, the Kalpoe brothers, and I was hoping the judge, Paulus van der Sloot, would be brought back in for questioning.Now, according to my flow chart, Joran van der Sloot hasn`t been questioned since a week ago Thursday, and these two Kalpoe brothers certainly have not been taken into custody, Anastasiya.BOLTON: That`s right, Nancy. First of all, let me address the Kalpoe brothers. The Kalpoe brothers, we did expect them to be rearrested, and as of last Monday, a week ago, the gardener gave the sworn testimony which was, indeed, in line with what he said previously, that he saw the three men on the beach at 2:30 in the morning the night Natalee Holloway disappeared -- he, of course -- the brothers have not been, obviously, arrested. We were told by our sources in law enforcement that they do expect that the Kalpoe brothers will be arrested.GRACE: Oh!BOLTON: Obviously, that hasn`t happened. I`ve spoken to the...GRACE: I`m sorry. That was me groaning because, Anastasiya, no offense, but you told me that about 10 days ago. We`ve heard that over and over. The Kalpoe brothers are going to be re-questioned. What are they doing down there?BOLTON: They tell me that they`re continuing with their investigation, that they maintain that they still continue with the investigation, even though, as you have mentioned, Joran has not been questioned for over a week now, almost 10 days, and they`re not saying when they`re going to be questioning him again.GRACE: OK.BOLTON: Although -- although, Nancy, I have to point out that the Dutch behavioral specialists...GRACE: Oh!BOLTON: ... are working on what they call a new strategy for questioning. They`re going to try to...(CROSSTALK)GRACE: You told me that two weeks ago!BOLTON: ... we don`t know.GRACE: Anastasiya, I know you`re just the messenger, therefore I will not kill you. But the reality is, you told me that two weeks ago, that there was a Dutch team of specialists devising, cooking up a new method by which they would re-question Joran van der Sloot. Hasn`t happened. Hasn`t happened! We`re going on two weeks. How long does it take to devise a new mode of questioning?And very quickly, before we go to break, to Jossy Mansur with "Diario." Jossy, what about the severed arm~! I mean, I was out in the middle of a bird sanctuary last week, and I heard about the severed arm. Hasn`t anybody reported they`re missing an arm? I mean, what`s the hold-up with analyzing the arm?MANSUR: I don`t know. That`s a question for Venezuelan government to decide. You have to remember that when they sent the arm to Caracas for examination they had a very serious and tragic plane crash and the technical police were very busy with that, as well as with other normal activities that they have in the lab.GRACE: Well, I know we had the Venezuelan air crash.Dr. Larry Kobilinsky, forensic scientist, let`s just get down to it. We saw this in the Laci Peterson case. When a limb or a body has been at sea for this long, there`s no flesh left to use for a DNA comparison. Or is there?DR. LARRY KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: Well, Nancy, you`re right. The likelihood of having soft tissue, even muscle, attached to the skeleton is slim. But there is bone, and bone contains DNA. And of course, we can do mitochondrial DNA analysis. Now, that is a much more complicated method. It requires sequencing. It`s a longer-term process. It can take weeks.I know that Latin America has a group called GTOD (ph), which is a collection of countries that have DNA laboratories, and they`re there to help each other. So I think getting the job done is no problem, but the question is when. It should have been done by now.GRACE: I know, because the arm washed ashore several days before the Venezuelan air crash, and still no answers.Very quickly, to tonight`s "Case Alert." Is there a break in the case of a Pennsylvania prosecutor, Ray Gricar? Remember him? Gricar vanished April 15. But now a woman claims she spotted Gricar in a Texas restaurant and even snapped him on her cell phone camera. The woman gave these photos to police. Is the man in these pictures the missing prosecutor? Earlier this month, police discovered Gricar`s computer, missing the hard drive, submerged in water near the location Gricar vanished.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)GRACE: Natalee Holloway should be at college classes starting this week at University of Alabama, full scholarship. Instead, her family is wondering if in 15 short days, Joran van der Sloot will walk free from behind bars.Very quickly, to Jossy Mansur with "Diario" newspaper. Jossy, what do you think about the theory that Natalee`s body was moved twice, that these three suspects allegedly left the body somewhere the night she went missing, and then they got help in disposing of the body shortly thereafter?MANSUR: Well, I`ve heard that theory advanced here in Aruba. It was advanced by a witness that was on the beach that claims to have seen them put the body of a young woman in the back of a white pick-up, drive towards the lighthouse, bury the body and then disappear.GRACE: OK, Jossy...MANSUR: And then apparently...GRACE: Question. The cadaver dogs -- were they ever brought to sniff Paulus, Judge Paulus van der Sloot`s car?MANSUR: As far as I know, no.GRACE: Oh! To Anastasiya Bolton with WBMA-TV. What can you tell me about an anonymous tipster, a jogger that was apparently jogging in the area when Natalee went missing?BOLTON: Nancy, authorities apparently are searching for a man, the jogger, who anonymously called the hotline for Natalee Holloway, established for Natalee Holloway several days after she disappeared. He claimed to have seen something but never made another contact with authorities. Now police want sworn testimony about what he said and saw the night Natalee disappeared. Apparently, they can`t find the man.GRACE: Jossy Mansur, I assume the police department has "star 69." Can`t they track who has called in? I mean, the feds can get a dump on a line and tell you who`s called you for the last week to your home.MANSUR: I know that this call was made to the tip line of the police a long time ago, in the early days. I don`t know whether they jotted down or have any way to trace back this call. But they are actively searching for this supposed jogger that saw a car parked near the pond, again.GRACE: So we`ve got two people stating the car was parked near the pond. We`ve got the gardener, who`s given sworn testimony before a judge, and this anonymous tipster, this jogger.OK, we`ll all be right back, but very quickly, to "Trial Tracking." The 10-year mystery of the disappearance of a 19-year-old Emory University student, Shannon Melendi in Atlanta, comes to a head in court. Today, opening statements in the murder trial of Butch Hinton, charged with Shannon`s kidnap and murder. Hinton has been accused of kidnapping women on three separate occasions in two separate states, and he even served 15 months behind bars for the kidnap of a 14-year-old girl. So what was Hinton doing walking free near a college campus?(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)LUIS MELENDI, SHANNON`S FATHER: I will make his life miserable, you know? I mean, this is not over for him. If he thinks he`s going to get out and this is over, he`s got another think coming. I will make his life miserable as much as I possibly can, you know, within the law. But I will -- I won`t let this go, no.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: Shannon Melendi was never found.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)TWITTY: I`m just going to have to wait until September the 4th. I`m just going to have to wait to experience it to see what we`re going to do.We`re always thinking and putting different things into motion. As far as Deepak and Satish, I`m not giving up that they will not be rearrested. I just -- I still think that that is a strong possibility.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace.Straight down to Jossy Mansur with "Diario" magazine -- newspaper. Jossy, the gardener says he sees Joran van der Sloot, one Kalpoe, and a third man in a car near this pond. Hey, Elizabeth (ph), can you put up that picture, the map where we see where the pond is? So that was around 2:30 AM, Jossy. So how does that affect Judge Paulus van der Sloot`s story? He went from saying he picked his son up at 4:00 AM back to 11:00 PM. He backed it up five hours.MANSUR: Well, that destroys that story completely, as it destroys also the alibi of the two Kalpoe brothers that they dropped Joran and Natalee on the beach and then went home.GRACE: And very quickly, Jossy, are dive teams searching the water again now?MANSUR: Yes, ma`am. Apparently, using some kind of modern equipment by an American that`s here on his own, they located some item of interest out at about a mile from the coast, and a dive -- a test dive took place Sunday with five or six divers, and then...GRACE: Do you know what the item is? Do you know what the item is?MANSUR: Well, apparently, they`re talking about some kind of remains, human remains, bones, for example.GRACE: OK.MANSUR: And then they`re planning a big, big search with between 12 and 20 volunteer divers.GRACE: OK, Jossy.



8-23-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?

On 8-23 the DUTCH judge decided the defense lawyers will not be given any more evidence than the prosecutor gives them in the case.
On 8-23 the ARUBAAN's news-source, “Diario“ reported:

More Alleged Victims Come Forward against Joran
ORANJESTAD (AAN) — Last night on The O’Reilly Factor of Fox one could hear how the parents of an American girl (today 18 years old) who was a girlfriend of Joran three years ago and this family is convinced that Joran van der Sloot is innocent in the case of the disappearance of Natalee.
It was mentioned that the youngsters met each other at a pool of a hotel where the family would have had a Timeshare, how Joran visited the family in the states and how he had contact with the girl via E-mail until recently.
This is contrary to what also reached the editorial desk, indicating that there is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.



On 8-23 CNN reported that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not Interrogated today, and that the DUTCH interrogations specialists have returned to ARUBA.
On 8-23 FOX News reported:

Free and Clear?
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Deepak and Satish Kalpoe (search) were arrested on June 9 in the connection with the Natalee Holloway (search) disappearance, then they were released on July 4. They are free men tonight, but both are still considered suspects.
Earlier this evening, we spoke with Satish Kalpoe's lawyer, David Kock.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
David, today the court ruled what? And on what particular motion?
DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE 'S ATTORNEY: Well, Mr. van der Sloot 's attorneys stated that they were not getting the documents as fast as they should be or not getting all the documents. And they also asked to get a copy of all the videotape interrogations of all the three suspects. The D.A. during the trial stated that they are giving all the documents, so the judge did not grant that. The judge stated that everything should be, of course, made available to Mr. van der Sloot , and since the videotapes of interrogations are also part of the dossier, they also have to be now handed over to van der Sloot .
VAN SUSTEREN: David, did your client, Satish Kalpoe — did he join in this motion or have a separate motion, or does this motion about documents and videotapes only relate to Joran van der Sloot?
KOCK: No, it was only submitted by van der Sloot . We were not of the opinion that the documents were being with held for Satish Kalpoe, I mean, for us. At the moment, the videotapes don't play such an important part. So that's why we did not submit such a motion. But I understood — I already spoke also with the D.A., and in fair process, that should be made available also to us, just, you know, to treat everybody equally.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have all the text messages or any wiretap transcripts that may exist?
KOCK: Up to now, we have the ones that are relevant. So that's why we are actually comfortable with how the investigation is at this moment and how it's developing.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there any text message which indicates when Satish and Deepak were home? Is there any way to figure that out?
KOCK: Yes. There are Internet records that show the time that Deepak got home. Of course, we do not have any for Satish because he went home, as you know, and went to his bedroom, went to sleep in his bedroom. There's no computer. He wasn't either on the phone anymore. But his brother, Deepak, was. And for that, we already have the records. And that is also what we indicated during the hearing of the so-called gardener, when he stated that at a certain time, he saw the three there, whereas we had concrete proof that was just not possible.
VAN SUSTEREN: David, at what point was Deepak on the Internet? And what was the time that the gardener claims that he saw the three?
KOCK: There are records to indicate at around 2:00 o'clock already, Deepak is back on the Internet, and from there on up to almost 3:00 o'clock, while the gardener said that at 2:30 — that he's so convinced that at 2:30, he saw the three of them next to the racquet club. So it's just physically, that's impossible.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. As best as I can piece together, David, the evidence is, is that your client, Satish, is with Deepak. They're brothers. They live together. So presumably, your client was home, as well, at 2:00 o'clock. Is that consistent with what your evidence is?
KOCK: Yes, I think that's a very logical assumption also, no?
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there any evidence, David, cell records or Internet records or text messages, to place Joran van der Sloot any particular place at any particular time?
KOCK: No. I mean, there are the phone records of, you know, when he called Deepak, as you know, around 2:40, and then afterwards, a little bit after 3 o'clock. And there has been some triangulation to indicate where he was. So that is consistent with the area where he was supposed to be. So in that aspect, that is also covered. So you know, the story matches the facts, as it stands right now.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So your client, 2 o'clock to 3 o'clock, is on the Internet at home. I've been in his room. I've seen the computer, or at least where it was. And he gets phone calls at 2:40 and 3 a.m. from Joran. Where do the cell records place the phone that Joran is using at 2:40 and 3 o'clock in the morning?
KOCK: Well, there's not an exact pinpoint indication, but the general area is the area here in north in Palm Beach of the hotel.
VAN SUSTEREN: So it looks like he's not home at that hour, but someplace near the Marriott, is that right?
KOCK: That is correct. He is in this neighborhood.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there any explanation as to how he got from the hotel to his home?
KOCK: No, other than what my client stated that he heard or was told by Joran, is that he went home walking. But you know, we don't have any way to verify it. As I indicated in the past, on the path from here to his house, there are certain banks, gas stations, et cetera, that have video cameras that are filming the street. But they just keep them for a couple of days. So by the time the Police went there to ask to get these videotapes, they were already wiped out. So you know, we cannot confirm it by any other means.
VAN SUSTEREN: David, I take it your client drops Joran and Natalee off. What time does he place the drop-off?
KOCK: Look, he states that he gets home around 1:50, so it should be between 5 and 10 minutes. You know, at that time of night, there's not much traffic, so it would only take between 5 to 10 minutes for him to get home from this area.
VAN SUSTEREN: David, is there any legal evidence of a murder any place?
KOCK: Not at all, Greta. At this moment, there is no hard evidence, just logical deductions. You know, somebody is missing, doesn't show up, and the last person that supposedly was with her cannot give her a reasonable explanation of what happened. But that's it.
VAN SUSTEREN: What is it that the phone call at 2:40 in the morning between Joran and your client was about? What were they talking about?
KOCK: Of course, that was not with my client. But my client says that what he was saying was that he was walking home, that he left the girl on the beach and that he's walking home. And afterwards, the call after 3:00 o'clock was to actually call in and say that he got home. So you know, if you look at the distance that it would take you to walk, that also concurs a little bit with the elapsed time between the two phone calls.
VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up: Satish Kalpoe's lawyer will tell us where they took Natalee Holloway after they left Carlos and Charlie's, who they met up with and what happened in the back seat of the car.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
VAN SUSTEREN: Natalee Holloway was seen leaving an Aruba bar with Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe. Satish's lawyer, David Kock, gave us a step-by-step description of what happened that night after they left the bar.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
Do you know if Joran made any statements at any time, even after that night, to either Deepak or your client about what happened to Natalee, about leaving Natalee, any information at all?
KOCK: No, not any more additional information. That was not made available to my client. They didn't talk about it. First, they just trusted their friend, you know, as a lot of times young friends do. You know, they totally trusted their friend said. They didn't have a reason to doubt what he was saying. Of course, now it might sound otherwise.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did Satish, your client, meet with Paul van der Sloot and Deepak and Joran?
KOCK: Yes — let's say, not that it was a meeting, no. I mean, these are friends that visited the house of Joran and the father, so it wasn't like a meeting was arranged and they just came for that meeting. They just were there, spoke with the father, like also happened before May 30.
VAN SUSTEREN: But after May 30, after Natalee disappeared, did they meet with Paul? And did Paul give them any advice or give them any information about the investigation?
KOCK: Yes. When they were, after that day, at the house, on one occasion, you know, the father explained to them how a criminal procedure would be, but that was, according to my client, the only scope of that encounter, if one might call it like that.
VAN SUSTEREN: How did your client describe what happened when they left Carlos and Charlie's? What did he say happened when they departed?
KOCK: Oh, you know, that when they left the place going towards their car, that Joran showed up with that girl, that the girl was going to drive with them in the car, that they drove around. But first, they also met a couple of friends of the disappeared girl, who told her, why doesn't she get out of the car, and she said, no, that she was going to drive around. They drove around, drove to the lighthouse, and then coming back towards the high-rises, but Joran asked to be dropped here, next to the Marriott, and that the two of them got out of the car and that they left. And for them, that was the end of it.
VAN SUSTEREN: And your client then went home as a passenger in his brother, Deepak's, car, is that what he said?
KOCK: Correct. Correct. That is the case.
VAN SUSTEREN: Deepak's car has been torn apart, looking for any information possible. Is there anything that was — any DNA that was taken out of that car, in any — you know, whether it's saliva or hair, anything at all?
KOCK: No, nothing was found in the car that was relevant to the case. Just remember, if they found, for example, a hair of the disappeared girl in the car, it would still not mean anything because she was in the car. But they didn't find anything that gave an indication that a foul play or that something went wrong in the car, so...
VAN SUSTEREN: What was going on in the car as they were driving around? Was there some sort of sexual activity between Joran and Natalee?
KOCK: Well, my client indicated, you know, that they were kissing, et cetera, and that it was impolite for him to be turning and looking back, so, you know? That is the only thing that he saw.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was it getting out of hand at all? Was it getting rough at all or not?
KOCK: No, no, not that he noticed any, no.
VAN SUSTEREN: What about drugs and alcohol? Was there any — has your client mentioned whether or not either Joran or Natalee or both seemed under the influence?
KOCK: No. Look, they had been drinking, both of those two. I mean, you know, she was lying on the bar, and jelly shots were being drunk from her navel. They were drinking. I mean, that's a fact. But according to my client, not that, you know, they were stupidly drunk.
VAN SUSTEREN: When you say they drove around and they met up with some of Natalee's friends, do you know where that was?
KOCK: That was at the intersection next to the bus terminal. I think that group of — I don't know if I can call them classmates or travel mates, in any case — we assume that they were standing there to await taxis to go — to get back to the hotel.
VAN SUSTEREN: Any idea who they were, their names?
KOCK: No. No. I mean, they are in the file, but not that I know on the top of my head. And we didn't find it necessary to really go too much into that.
They have stated that. I mean, they have stated that, you know? They asked her to get out, and that she said no, that she was going to stay in the car and drive home — back with Joran, so...
VAN SUSTEREN: What do you make of the fact that, apparently, on this June 13 declaration, Joran says — at least, we're told — that Deepak raped and murdered — I think raped and buried, or something like that, Natalee? Do you know anything about that?
KOCK: Yes. No, that was a statement that was given. I think, though, it's — because I saw it, too, that it appeared here in the newspaper. But I think you have to put it into context, that was just one of the stories that Joran told, and that afterwards, he has changed his story again.
It wasn't a statement that he signed, it was something that the Police said that he declared during a conversation, that he said, yes, something must have gone wrong with the girl. And then when they asked him, What do you think, and he says, Well, I think maybe after I got — because that was at a time when he was stating that Deepak came and picked him up here and dropped him at home, which was also impossible because of the records afterwards, but at that time, he did not know that.
So he came up with that story that Deepak picked him up, dropped him at home, and he assumed that something went wrong, so that maybe, Deepak, knowing that the girl was here lying on the beach, came back and then did something to the girl and then bury her, no? But yes, I don't know if that was a story told, you know, as a joke, if it was maybe speaking as in a third person type of situation. I mean, but what we know is that afterwards, his statements have changed, so, you know? We don't have to only focus on that one.
VAN SUSTEREN: David, thank you very much. I hope you'll come back as the case progresses. Thank you.
KOCK: OK. You're welcome. Take care, Greta.



On 8-23 JOSSY MANSUR stated that the jogger witness saw the Murder Suspects KALPOE’s car in the same location on the dirt road near the “Aruba Racquet Club” that the gardener also saw the car.
On 8-23 BETH almost came to tears when she heard the news that Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE went back to “Carlos 'N Charlie's" on 8-19 because “Carlos 'N Charlie's" keeps removing the “missing” poster of NATALEE that BETH has tried to post in a “Carlos 'N Charlie's" window.
On 8-23 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that she believes that Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT knows exactly what happened to NATALEE.
On 8-23 when asked if the family may file a civil lawsuit against “Carlos 'N Charlie's" in the future, BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to MSNBC that her “only goal right now, is to find Natalee, and take her home.”
On 8-23 CNN reported that there is no agreement between VENEZUELA and ARUBA to share evidence, so, DNA samples from the skeletal arm/hand found in VENEZUELA have not yet been sent to ARUBA nor HOLLAND for DNA testing and comparison to NATALEE’s DNA by the DUTCH.
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to MSNBC on 8-23 that when they were searching for NATALEE and Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT the night of 5-31, and after they learned his name and asked for details about him they were told by someone, “He tends to prey upon your kids, and American tourists.”
On 8-23 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN will file on 9-4 for the extended detention of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , and that Current Murder Suspects DEEPAK KALPOE and SATISH KALPOE will not be re-arrested then.
On 8-23 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that the ARUBAN Police know the name of the jogger witness, but have not found him, and he has not come forward yet. TITO LACLE also stated that the ARUBAN Police told TITO LACLE that if the jogger witness does come forward and his story changes, “there may be a basis for his detention.” (YET CURRENT SUSPECTS DEEPAK KALPOE AND SATISH KALPOE FLAT-OUT LIE TO THE ARUBAAN's--DEFLECTING THE INVESTIGATION AWAY FROM THEMSELVES AND Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT FOR 10+ DAYS-- AND THE SUSPECTS KALPOE’S ARE RELEASED FROM CUSTODY AND ARE STILL WALKING AROUND FREE AMONG THE ARUBAAN's, RIGHT NOW!)
On 8-23 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that (after speaking with ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN) that there are 3 or 4 potential charges that can be brought against Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , and ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN may only charge him with 1 or 2 of the charges to hold him. TITO LACLE also reported that ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN and the ARUBAN Police Investigators are operating on their belief that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT murdered NATALEE and that Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT was involved afterwards.
On 8-23 JOSSY MANSUR stated that the ocean dive did not occur today. He said both his sons are helping in the dives. He said organizers are trying to get 20+ divers together to participate.
On 8-23 JOSSY MANSUR stated that his information is that the unknown jogger near the “Marriott Hotel”/drained pond witness telephoned Police with his 5-30 observations 2 or 3 days after NATALEE disappeared (6-1 or 6-2), and he phoned from a public pay telephone.
On 8-23 JUG TWITTY stated one of the reasons he went to ARUBA last week was to interview and, ultimately, hire MARY LeJUEZ because he feels after speaking with other persons and interviewing her himself that she is the best attorney in ARUBA. JUG TWITTY stated to FOX News that LeJUEZ is coming out of retirement to help NATALEE and her Loved Ones. JUG TWITTY realizes that ODUBER does not have much power with regards to influencing the ARUBAN investigative and prosecutorial persons involved in the investigation. JUG TWITTY also said that there is no security camera anywhere on the island that shows Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , supposedly, waiting at the “McDonalds” at 11:00 PM on 5-29 for Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT to, supposedly, pick him up in their car, nor did a single security camera record Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT walking anywhere during his, supposed, 2 mile walk back to his home, supposedly, at 2:30 AM to 3:00 AM on 5-30.
On 8-23 JOSSY MANSUR stated to FOX News that there are 3 young women who are considering filing complaints with the ARUBAN Police against Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT for unknowingly plying them with a date-rape drug, then raping each of them (each woman in a differing event). The youngest has retained an attorney. JOSSY MANSUR stated he and the ARUBAN Police are aware of the 3 women and their names, but he thinks the ARUBAN Police cannot interview the 3 women in relation to the case about NATALEE’s vanishing unless the women approach the ARUBAN Police.
On 8-23 ARUBA government spokesman TRAPENBERG claimed to FOX News that he is “pretty sure” that neither he nor the ARUBA government knew anything about 3 women possibly coming forward to file criminal complaints against Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT for date-rape-drugging, then raping them. Of the Police investigation, TRAPENBERG claimed that ODUBER, “agreed that in the beginning it could have been better handled.”
On 8-23 lawyer CHRIS LeJUEZ told FOX News that HELEN LeJUEZ (just hired by NATALEE‘s Loved Ones) is his sister. He also said there is a third attorney working for NATALEE‘s Loved Ones, which is (phonetically) “Picker Mohawatz.” He said that he has seen no evidence that a violent crime was committed against NATALEE. LeJUEZ detailed that the ARUBA prosecutor, ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN, will have 3 choices during the upcoming 9-4 hearing about Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ; #1 extend detention (with grounds provided to the judge), #2 summon to trial (charge him with a crime), #3 release him (he would still be a suspect and ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN could still investigate for 2 years.
On 8-23 GOLBA searched around the drained pond near the “Marriott Hotel” for 4 hours, then searched around the “Aruba Racquet Club,” then went to the landfill but did not search it. GOLBA stated to properly search the landfill would take at least 3 weeks with more people and more equipment. GOLBA stated he is probably leaving ARUBA on 8-28.
On 8-23 MSNBC reported that the landfill witness, JUNIOR, failed a polygraph given by F.B.I. agents.
On 8-23 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police
On 8-23 CNNHN reported:

Can Aruban Prosecutors Keep Joran van der Sloot in Jail?
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, the countdown is on for the jail door to swing wide open for prime suspect in the disappearance of the Alabama student, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway. Can Aruban prosecutors pull it together and submit a case to the court to keep judge's son Joran van der Sloot behind bars?
But tonight, to Aruba, day 86 in the case of missing Alabama beauty Natalee Holloway. The clock is ticking for a courthouse meltdown, just 11 days left until suspect number one, judge's son Joran van der Sloot, could walk free. Tonight in Aruba, Jossy Mansur. He is the managing director and editor of "Diario" newspaper. Natalee's mother is with us, Beth Twitty. In LA, defense attorney Debra Opri. In West Palm Beach, defense attorney Michelle Suskauer. In New York, forensic scientist Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky and psychologist Dr. Jeff Gardere.But first, let's go to WBMA-TV reporter Anastasiya Bolton. Anastasiya, bring us up to date, friend.ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA-TV: Nancy, first of all, a judge made a ruling today. When it comes to the defense asking prosecution to give them more or all access to all materials in this case, the judge denied that request, although prosecution has been saying all along that the defense in this case has access to all the materials necessary for them to give appropriate defense to their clients.Also, no questioning still today for Joran van der Sloot. If you remember, it was the Thursday before last when the questioning ceased. So far, there is no timeline when the questioning will resume. Dutch behavioral specialists are back on the island, ready to question him. Again, no timeline when that will resume.Also, the jogger, the latest witness that Police are talking about -- this is supposedly the man who called Police from a public phone several days after Natalee Holloway disappeared, saying that he saw the car with the Kalpoe brothers and Joran by the racquet club the night that she disappeared. Police are still looking for him. They're not able to find him because the man, again, called from a public phone and did not leave his name -- Nancy.GRACE: You know, that was a question we had last night, Jossy, as to why the Aruban Police could not trace that phone call from a jogger, a jogger escaping the heat on the island of Aruba the night Natalee went missing. That's the apparent explanation of why he was out jogging at that time of the night. Jossy, if this is true and he called from a public phone, true, Police cannot trace who he is, but it would also give credence. Was that public phone near where Natalee Holloway disappeared?JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": That's what I understand, that this jogger also saw the same car parked at the same spot by the racquet club. However, he did call from a public telephone, and I don't know whether the Police can trace it or not. But according to information I have, they cannot.GRACE: Well, they already know it's from a public phone. They know where it was. Take a listen to this.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: I fully believe that he knows exactly where Natalee's body is. I do. And you know, that being said, whether she's alive or not, yes, because I can't -- I honestly cannot -- cannot say that I definitively know. But I do know that Paul van der Sloot, yes -- yes. I know he knows.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: Natalee Holloway's mother is with us tonight. Beth, thank you for being with us. Why are you so sure that Paulus van der Sloot and Joran van der Sloot know where Natalee or her body is?TWITTY: You know, Nancy, Joran and Paul have done this to themselves. You know, they've -- they've had -- they've done the lies all along. You know, if they would have just come forward from the beginning, never changed their story, you know, we wouldn't have these suspicions. But there -- you know, there's no reason to tell a lie and -- you know, if you have no involvement or you don't know where she is.And also, we know that Joran has -- you know, he admitted these sexual assaults that he performed on Natalee. That has never been a secret. And you know, Paulus van der Sloot has changed his story. He admitted to us on the night of the 31st that he picked them up at 4:00 AM, and then when I was in his home one day, I think that was maybe June -- oh, I'm not sure if it was June 21 that I was at the judge's home -- and he changed the time to 11:00 PM on the 29th.I mean, you just don't do that. A grown man cannot keep changing the times if he has nothing to hide or no involvement.GRACE: Beth, you stated that Joran van der Sloot had confessed to a sex assault with Natalee. What did he say?TWITTY: I cannot repeat them, Nancy, but he did admit to these sexual assaults that he committed against Natalee.GRACE: Well, you know what? Very quickly, Debra Opri, I know that you are typically a criminal defense attorney. But here you've got this guy with Natalee Holloway the night she goes missing, and he confesses, allegedly, to a sex assault on the girl. What's the story, that after he assaulted her, somebody else came along and either kidnapped or murdered her? Ridiculous!DEBRA OPRI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you're missing a major point here. We also know that there have been many contradictory additional confessions coming out of these people, additional statements. And if they contradict each other, which statement do we believe? You're hanging your hat on one statement. I don't think that's the way to go, Nancy. We should cumulatively look at all of their statements and find out which of those statements match the other people's.GRACE: Beth, response?TWITTY: Well, I knew that was going to be a question, and there is a specific reason why I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that these sexual assaults were committed against Natalee, but I cannot disclose it because it's part of the investigation.(CROSSTALK)GRACE: You know what, Beth? You know what, Beth? I have found after many, many years, more years than I even want to say, of prosecuting felony crimes, when a victim's family believes something, I have found it more often than not to be true. Why? The victim's family wants the right perpetrator. They don't want to see an innocent person framed and the real perpetrator walking free. With us tonight from Aruba is Natalee's mother, Beth Twitty.I want to go back to Jossy Mansur with "Diario" magazine. Jossy, I want to get everything I can from you that you know about this jogger. Could you just tell me, what night is it the jogger calls Police about what he saw?MANSUR: I think it was two or three nights after Natalee disappeared. I don't know. I don't have any of the answers to that. I don't know any of the facts involved. I know that the Police have put out a call for him. They've requested us to publish it, where we did publish a request for this man to come forward. And they've been on the radio and everywhere else, asking for this jogger to show up, to give his testimony.GRACE: You know, Jossy, last night, right as we were -- were going to a commercial break, you told me divers were going to start diving again today. And I asked you, For what? Anything specific? And you said, Remains. Where did you get that information? What are you talking about?MANSUR: I got it from the people that are organizing the next dive. I got it also from Art Wood, who is with another search team down here voluntarily with some kind of specialized equipment that he has that can detect bones or things similar to that of human beings at any distance.So he did make his tests over that. He did find some item of interest. And they went Sunday. They did the first dive. I know because my son is involved in it. Both my sons are involved in it. Then they came back, they studied the area, they plotted the area again, now much larger. And they're going back this week sometime, either Thursday or Friday, to do the real diving, to search for whatever this man found on this machine.GRACE: OK, would it be side-scan sonar? Is that what you're talking about?MANSUR: I don't know what kind of an equipment it is, Nancy, but...GRACE: OK.MANSUR: ... I understand that he could identify something down there.GRACE: I want to go to Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky. Doctor, do you think they're referring to side-scan sonar, that was used in the Laci Peterson search?LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: Yes, it's quite possible. You know, I got to say, Nancy, the reason that this whole thing is so frustrating is there have been so many ups and downs. There isn't even enough information to charge Joran van der Sloot, let alone get a conviction. And I think that unless something happens within the next few days, it's going to be a continuation of what we've heard day in and out. No change.GRACE: Well, I don't know if I agree with that because I really believe, at some juncture, the Aruban government is going to make good on the theory that they would retake the Kalpoe brothers back into custody after this gardener gives his sworn statement.Anastasiya Bolton, it's been several days since the gardener gave his statement clearly placing the Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot near the pond, well after they said they had gone home.BOLTON: That's right. They promised that they were going to re-arrest the Kalpoe brothers if the statements matched up, which they did. But again, everything happens in Aruba on Aruban time. They play by their own rules. So again, we may see the Kalpoe brothers being rearrested, or we may not.GRACE: To Beth Twitty. Beth, when I hear that Joran van der Sloot has not been interrogated since Thursday last, a week ago this past Thursday -- we're coming up on two weeks -- what's the hold-up, Beth?TWITTY: You know, Nancy, who would know? I don't even think Joran could answer that, at this point. He certainly had early -- early on, he had every opportunity, as early as June 9, to get this over with, to begin, you know, giving a statement. And you know, some people have asked, since it's gone on so long, Is he able to do it now? Well, you know, Nancy, he had plenty of time in the beginning. He had ample time -- June 9, June 10, June 11, 13, repeatedly. And he chose never to give the correct statement. I mean, he just chose to lie each time.GRACE: You know, another issue, to Jossy, is Paulus van der Sloot. We were talking to Beth Twitty about the various statements. Well, what this gardener, who you dug up, Jossy Mansur, you brought him to light -- this gardener not only directly contradicts the Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot's statement, but the father, the judge, Paulus van der Sloot's statement. I mean, if you're to believe this gardener, Jossy, van der Sloot is lying through his teeth, and him a judge!MANSUR: That is correct because the gardener's story that he upheld, that he really stuck to in front of the judge and all these defense lawyers and the two suspects being present, does destroy the alibi and the statements made by Paul van der Sloot of his picking up this boy.GRACE: Beth, what are the locals doing to find this jogger, the anonymous tipster?TWITTY: I know that they've put information in the newspapers and possibly in the local media. And as far as any other additional resource, I don't know how they're trying to pursue this individual.GRACE: And to Anastasiya Bolton, before we go to break -- Anastasiya, I understand regarding, the arm that washed up on a beach in Venezuela, clearly a human arm -- we all know that the ME there knows whether it's a woman or a man, OK? That can be determined pretty quickly. Why can't they send a sample of that arm to Aruban authorities, Anastasiya, so we can make a comparison to Natalee's DNA?BOLTON: Nancy, there is not an agreement between Venezuela and Aruba. Right now, I'm told that they're working on diplomatic channels to get a sample for them to test it. But as of now, there is not an agreement that they can exchange this type of evidence and make an examination for themselves.GRACE: So what do we have to have, then -- very quickly, to Jossy -- an international agreement? I mean, don't we all want the same thing, the truth?MANSUR: Yes, it's true. But they have very close contacts between the Police of Aruba and some Police corps in Venezuela. I think they're trying to handle it through personal contacts more than anything else because there is no treaty or accord or whatever between the two countries.
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)TWITTY: There's no way that they would have participated in this elaborate lie in front of her -- in front of me and in front of Jug and in front of all of the family members that flew in if they weren't covering something up. There is no way that you would have the need to do that. And then I only think back to Deepak and how he approached me that night, and I was staring into his eyes and his head was held high that night. He was telling me the lie. But he couldn't even face me at the Internet cafe.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are live in Aruba in the latest in the case of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old American girl missing many, many days now.Very quickly to Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky. Doctor, let's talk about this arm, this severed arm that was found on the Venezuelan coast. Elizabeth, could you throw up that map, please? Doctor, can they determine immediately -- well, just tell me, what can they determine immediately from a bone?KOBILINSKY: Well, examination of the bone certainly reveals -- I mean, you can see it on the photograph -- that the soft tissue is essentially gone. So obviously, you can tell gender. But in order to go beyond...GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! You said you can determine gender, correct?KOBILINSKY: Well, the anthropologists can make certain measurements. You can determine the individual's height and approximate age. There are certain minimal things you can determine.GRACE: I'm asking you gender, gender. It's my understanding that you can look at a bone, if you're an anthropologist, and determine if it's a man or a woman.KOBILINSKY: Well, that's correct, within certain limits. But you know, in biology, there are gray zones, so I can't guarantee that they can do gender. But one thing is for sure, when they do any kind of DNA testing, they will be able to determine not only gender but if it's Natalee or not.GRACE: Well, you know, they said immediately that they could not determine gender, and that is total BS. They can look at the structure of the bone, they can look at the size of the bone, and determine gender. I fully believe that, Doctor.KOBILINSKY: I think it depends how conservative the analyst is. And in a case that's high-profile, you don't want to make any mistakes.GRACE: You know, another thing I don't understand, Beth, is why -- the whole world knows about Natalee missing. The world knows. Why can`t we take a sample of this bone and rule out that it's Natalee?TWITTY: Well, I hope that we can. It's something that -- you know, I really don't have that much information about this. I don't even know where the bone was found. But I mean, I'm certain that it's something that does need to be ruled out. We need to find whose it is, anyway, Nancy.GRACE: I want to go to Jeff Gardere. Dr. Gardere's a clinical psychologist. I want to talk about this jogger, who may be able to corroborate the gardener. Why, Jeff, am I so interested in that tonight? Because Aruban government authorities still have not taken the Kalpoe brothers and Judge Paulus van der Sloot back into custody for questioning. And if this jogger exists, if it's real, he corroborates what the gardener says, and they both contradict the judge and the Kalpoe brothers.JEFFREY GARDERE, PSYCHOLOGIST: Absolutely. And I think, in watching this story as we have been, it's almost possible to surmise that there is a lot of information that is not being given by that government. And perhaps we don't know how hard they really are looking for this particular gardener. Now, there might be -- one of the reasons he may not be showing up is because he may have some issues as far as citizenship there in Aruba. Maybe he's afraid that he may be going against the locals, since there has been a rift between the locals and with Beth Holloway-Twitty because she has been so persistent in finding her daughter. So there are reasons that he may be kept away from the courts.GRACE: Gotcha. To Anastasiya Bolton with WBMA-TV -- Anastasiya, September 4, the clock is ticking, van der Sloot may walk free. What does the prosecution have to put up to keep the judge's son behind bars September 4 -- 11 days?BOLTON: I've been told that the prosecution has to present its strongest case yet. Obviously, there's not been enough evidence yet to charge Joran van der Sloot. So on September 4, or days before that, they will have to present enough evidence to keep Joran behind bars, either to, A, charge him, they can release him, or he can be held for 30 additional days, if the judge decides it fit.GRACE: So bottom line, Michelle Suskauer, defense attorney out of West Palm Beach, Florida, the prosecution's got to have a little bit more than what they had last time. They got to put up a good case. And I just say that this jogger is additional evidence. Of course, last time, Michelle, they didn't have the gardener, either, when they got Joran van der Sloot.MICHELLE SUSKAUER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: And you know, we don't know what the jogger really saw. We only have a little bit of information. And I don't know whether they're ever going to find this person. Just like your last speaker said, there may be some intimidation. And I don't know how -- the gardener's testimony is just not going to be enough, coupled with speculation and guesswork, to keep this kid in jail. He is going -- if the prosecution doesn't have anything else, he is walking out on September 4.
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)TWITTY: There have been points where I've been so angry, just angry at what all we've been through. If you're the victim of a crime in Aruba, it's sad and you have no rights. It seems like -- seems like the suspect has all the rights, and you know, poor Natalee has had absolutely none.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: Truer words never spoken. That's Natalee's mother, who is with us tonight.Very quickly to Jossy Mansur, the managing director and editor of "Diario" newspaper. Jossy, you told me they were going to start diving again today for remains. Why didn't they start diving today, like you said?MANSUR: Because they're putting together the diving team. The diving team is not that easy to gather. I mean, this is a small island. I mean, they're thinking of gathering between 12 and 20 people to go out there and search.GRACE: Where is it they're going to dive, Jossy?MANSUR: They want to dive to the west of the hotels.GRACE: Beth, thank you so much for being with us. As always, our thoughts and our prayers with Natalee's mom and her family. Jossy, Anastasiya, we'll see you guys tomorrow night.



On 8-23 MSNBC reported:

Murder Suspect returns
Aug. 22: Scarborough Country obtains explosive and exclusive new video as one of the three suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway returns to the place she was last seen alive. Why would the suspect return and what does it mean to the investigation? Joe talks to former FBI profiler and MSNBC analyst Clint Van Zandt and Natalee's uncle, Paul Reynolds to look for answers.
(VIDEO here of Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE returning to “Carlos ‘N Charlie’s”)


On 8-23 F.B.I. Criminal Profiling Expert CLINT VAN ZANDT reported:

Van Zandt: Looking for answers in Aruba
Former FBI profiler talks about his encounter with Kalpoe brother and more
COMMENTARY
By Clint Van Zandt
MSNBC analyst & former FBI profiler
Updated: 2:31 p.m. ET Aug 23, 2005
I spent last week in Aruba looking for answers in the Natalee Holloway missing person case. On the four-and-a-half hour flight to the island almost all of the seats were full, and yet it's the off season. Clearly, Americans -- who make up about 70% of Aruba's tourism base -- are not avoiding this vacation spot because of a missing teenager. As you step off the plane the heat hits you smack in the face. It's really hot here, but that's why most people come to Aruba -- for the sun, the beaches, and a good time. Many people from the U.S. believe Holloway's disappearance is an aberration, a blip on the radar screen of life that may be as much her fault as anyone else's. "She should have known better," or "Why'd her parents let her come here in the first place," are some of the responses you get from tourists and locals alike.
Arubans are happy to share their theories of her being kidnapped by slavers or of her running away from her family, escaping her dull life in Alabama, aided by Joran van der Sloot who is now in jail. Or perhaps, it is said, she simply went for a swim and drowned. A popular story that's told by locals concerns an Aruban man and his sons who were fishing off the coast about a decade ago. The engine on their boat failed and they begin a slow drift that eventually carried them over 700 miles to the Panama Canal. Residents told me this story to emphasize how a person, or a body, once in the local waters could quickly drift from sight and never be found.
When you look around in any city, island, or country you find that all have their secrets, things they don't want outsiders to know. In Aruba's case a few warts are beginning to show. Last week the FBI indicated that at least three American women have come forward since Natalee's disappearance to report that they had been sexually assaulted while vacationing in Aruba. Are these women aberrations, too? Did they contribute to their own victimization? And, are these alleged crimes related in any way to Natalee Holloway's disappearance? To my knowledge none of the reported victims have identified any suspect in the Holloway disappearance as their alleged assailant, yet other women are still coming forward and, as the police say, "the investigation continues" concerning the now three prime suspects.



8-24-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?

On 8-24 ART WOOD stated to Court TV that he spoke with the attorney of the 16-year-old ARUBAN girl who claims to have been date-rape-drugged and date-raped by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and her attorney said she is going to file a criminal complaint with the ARUBAN Police. Court TV reported the rape allegedly occurred circa 5-8, only 3 weeks before NATALEE vanished. ART WOOD stated she has been afraid because she never told her parents about the rape, but she did tell her attorney. The girl reported the rape to the “Child Advocates of Aruba” organization. At this point she does not want to speak to any AMERICANS or the media, and her attorney will work to keep her name unknown after the criminal complaint is filed.
On 8-24 ART WOOD stated to Court TV that he has seen 2 of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s declarations that were each different in 5-29/30 events content, and each was signed by 4 witnesses.
On 8-24 ART WOOD stated to Court TV that he has not been able to confirm if STRATEN is Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s Godfather, or not.
On 8-24 MSNBC wrote, “Occasionally, they want to help with the case. A young woman and her mother approached Holloway-Twitty one night, and told her that the main suspect in Natalee's disappearance, Joran van der Sloot, also had tried to get her into his car after a night at Carlos and Charlie's, a local bar. That young woman later told the F.B.I. about the same incident.”
Sometime before he is re-arrested, probably between 8-20 and 8-25, Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE meets with private Investigator JAMIE SKEETERS. The statements made by Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE are video recorded. On October 14, 2005 SKEETERS stated to MSNBC “I talked to him—part of it is on the tape, but the main conversation I had with him, I asked him point blank, ‘Did you kill Natalee?’ He said, ‘No.’ I said, ‘Did Satish kill Natalee?’ He said, ‘No.’ And I said, ‘Did Joran kill Natalee?’ He goes, ‘Well, it wasn‘t me. It wasn‘t my brother; so what do you think?,’ and he nodded his head ‘Yes’ and raised—shrugged his shoulders. And that‘s when I asked if he would do a polygraph.” SKEETERS said that Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE was willing to take a polygraph, but was re-arrested 8-26 before it was given for him. “But there is something on the tape that I just saw myself the other day, where I asked him if he killed her?, and he says, ‘I didn‘t.’ And I said, ‘Van der Sloot?’, and he says, ‘Yes.’”
On September 15, 2005 NBC reported that SKEETERS met with Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE in the lobby of SKEETERS’s hotel and SKEETERS recorded, supposedly, Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE (BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News on 9-18 that KALPOE knew he was being recorded). When SKEETERS asked him if he intentionally killed NATALEE, Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE claimed, “No.” When SKEETERS stated to him “If it was an accident, I can help all of you. And if you guys were partying, even if somebody had given her a date drug.” "For $25 you can pay a bartender to slip your date a date-rape drug in her drink. Does that happen?" SKEETERS asked. Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE responded "I never drugged someone.” SKEETERS said “I'm not saying you. But I mean have you heard of that happening?” to which Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE responded “I haven't heard the bartender story,” Deepak says. “I know there is a drug called Ecstasy. I heard they slip that into drinks.” Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE then gave some of his first and only impressions of NATALEE: “To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one. Who would go in a car with three strange guys and her mother claiming her to be the goody two shoes? Enough of the BS already.” Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE begins on another issue: “The person that saw something in the morning hours.” “That's the gardener,” SKEETERS clarifies. “The gardener is the one that definitely saw you guys 3:00 when statements were made. This guy remembers exactly what time it was because he couldn't sleep that night. He identified every one of you in the lineup except for one of you — I don't know which one, you or your brother.” “My brother,” says Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE. “But he didn't. He says because the brother was lying in the backseat and that's going to kill you,” SKEETERS says. When SKEETERS commented that “If it was an accident, I can help all of you. And if you guys were partying, even if someone had given her a date drug, I'm sure she had sex with all of you,” Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE claimed, “She did. You'd be surprised how simple it was.” SKEETERS said “Sometimes your closest friends, if they're worried, and this thing is that big, they'll burn you.” Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE says, “I don't have any close friends anymore. They're all gone.” “Really? Because of this?” asks SKEETERS. “Everything is empty,” Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE replies. “If I knew where the body is I would tell them a long time ago. Let them start a trial and get this over with. I don't care.”
Here is a transcript of Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE's statements recorded on the SKEETERS video tape. (Thank You and Hat Tip “Roger”)
On 8-24 FOX News reported that Current Murder Suspect "Steve" CROES is now working at “Carlos 'N Charlie's.”
On 8-24 FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN stated that it is her belief (having been in the KALPOE’s home) that Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE had the only computer in his room that the family had.
On 8-24 MSNBC received approval from the warden of the ARUBA K.I.A. prison to film the prison and interview the warden. The MSNBC crew, which included reporter MICHELLE KOSINSKI, interviewed the warden, FREDDY MADURO. Here is a transcript of MADURO’s comments:
MADURO: Strange in another way not, because of his temperament.
When he doesn’t get his way he gets very angry.
He even snapped at his mother once.
His mother tried to correct him once, he snapped at her.
KOSINSKI: Did he try to hit her?
MADURO: No, not really hit her, just used a lot of bad language
KOSINSKI: Did you see some of his temper in prison?
MADURO: In beginning yes, with a Policeman, but then afterward, the Policeman really roughed him up, cuffed him and took him to Police station.
KOSINSKI: How did he act out at the Police officers, what happened?
MADURO: They came to pick him up and he wouldn’t go.
His father was just incarcerated, and he said no, he wants his father free then he would go.
I said no you have nothing to say, you are going.
He said no, I am not going and went back to his cell. Then they called from ?? said he had to go.
KOSINSKI: How has he been now that he has been here a couple of weeks?
MADURO: Now, he is normal, has no problems with no one. He has incorporated himself to the system.
KOSINSKI: How do you think Joran has reacted to not being able to see his parents everyday? Has there been any noticeable change?
MADURO: Well, his parents called me and also the second man in command.
He called the social worker that handles Joran to get some extra time visiting.
She came to me, I said no to extra visiting time.
KOSINSKI: So, she thought he should get some special treatment?
MADURO: Yes, he thought so, the judge… the judge to be.
KOSINSKI: How do you think Joran is doing in here, is he okay?
MADURO: To my knowledge yes, but to him, he wants to go home.
He is eager to go home I believe.
Then MADURO asked them if they would like to see the prison. At one point MADURO took them to the recently constructed juvenile section of the prison. After a moment, the MSNBC crew noticed Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT sitting in his jail cell with 2 cellmates. KOSINSKI said when they first saw Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT he was sitting in a chair in his boxer shorts with his feet propped up reading a paperback book. The MSNBC crew started filming Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , and concurrently asked him a few simple questions, to which he responded in a friendly, curt manner. KOSINSKI reported that neither Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT nor the warden ever asked them to stop filming Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT . KOSINSKI reported that they filmed not even 2 minutes of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. Somehow after MSNBC filming Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT found out and quickly contacted the defense lawyers, who contacted a DUTCH judge in ARUBA, who called an immediate court hearing that night with all parties present (MSNBC, apparently, was able to get some attorneys to ARUBA to represent MSNBC). After the hearing the DUTCH judge ordered MSNBC not to ever broadcast the footage from a tour of an Aruban jail that shows Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. The DUTCH judge further imposed that if MSNBC does show the specified film footage, it would be fined the equivalent of US$ 600,000.00 every time MSNBC shows the specified footage. In a statement, NBC News said it would not broadcast the footage though its news crew had permission from the warden to film inside the jail. “While we respect the court’s decision of this evening, we are considering our next course of legal action,” the network said. (MSNBC.com is a joint venture between NBC Universal and Microsoft.) NBC first showed a portion of the video from its tour of the jail on the MSNBC program “Rita Cosby: Live and Direct,” and well as the "Today" show on 8-25 but did not include the images of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. Here are Prime Murder Suspect J. SLOOT’s statement about the incident "There are eight stalls on my block. I sit in the first cell. When I was sitting in my cell I saw a camera man, a sound man, and two reporters. I then tried to go to the bathroom but my cell mate was taking a shower. So, I couldn't get into the bathroom. I knew they did not come there especially for me. The two ladies were let through the door to go inside the Juvenile area by the warden. Once of them asked me ‘How are you?’ I said ‘Fine.’ They mentioned something pleasant about my mother. And then I was asked if I had anything to say to the American people and I said ‘No.’ And then one of them said Melanie and Elaine send you kisses. And I noticed that the reporters had audio recording devices with them.”
On 8-24 “MSNBC’s” MICHELLE KOSINSKI reported that right after the 16-year-old girl was date-rape-drugged then raped by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , she did go to the ARUBAN Police and reported it, but, apparently the ARUBAN Police did not investigate her report further.
On 8-24 “MSNBC’s” MICHELLE KOSINSKI reported that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has 2 male jail cellmates in his ARUBA prison jail cell.
On 8-24 HELEN LeJUEZ said she has spoken with (but is not representing) the 16-year-old girl who will be filing a complaint with the ARUBAN Police against Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT of him date-rape-drugging then raping the girl.
After being asked on 8-24 about her reaction hearing about the 16-year-old girl reporting shortly after 5-8 to the ARUBAN Police that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had date-rape-drugged then raped her but the ARUBAN Police did not follow up her claims, LINDA ALLISON was reminded of an unnamed ARUBAN woman/wife she has met who had told her that the woman and her husband were having a marital domestic dispute that the husband escalated into physical abuse of the woman/wife, so the woman called the ARUBAN Police. The woman/wife told LINDA ALLISON that shortly after the Police arrived, and with the ARUBAN Policeman standing right there, the husband became enraged and threw his wife to the ground right in front of the ARUBAN Policeman. When the woman/wife looked at then asked the ARUBAN Policeman for help, the woman/wife claims that the ARUBAN Policeman told her, “I can’t. This is a dispute between you and your husband.”
On 8-24 the “AP” reported:

Divers Sought in Aruba
Oranjestad, Aruba--An Aruba group is seeking divers to continue the search for Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager who went missing nearly three months ago on the Dutch Caribbean island.
The Aruba Search and Rescue Foundation has been helping search for Holloway since she vanished May 30.
Co-founder Eduardo Mansur says the group wants to lead the divers in exploring waters off Aruba's east coast, where Holloway was staying with 124 Mountain Brook high school classmates.
Mansur says that although the waters have been searched before, the group wants to try again with the help of a machine invented by an American who claims it can detect human bones and teeth under water. The inventor, Joe Walker, came to Aruba to help in the search.



On 8-24 CNN reported that Mr. JOE MAMMANA’s total dollar contributions pledged to the reward money for NATALEE is now $250,000.00. (up from $150,000.00) MAMMANA said that he speaks to BETH almost daily, and he has committed to her that he will help her financially, and “if it takes forever, we will bring Natalee home.”
On 8-24 CNNHN reported:

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: And tonight: Ten days and counting. Will the prime suspect in the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, Aruban judge's son Joran van der Sloot, walk out of an Aruban jail and back on the streets?
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Joran and Paul have done this to themselves. They've done the lies all along. You know, if they would have just come forward from the beginning, never changed their story, you know, we wouldn't have these suspicions. We know that Joran -- he admitted these sexual assaults that he performed on Natalee. That has never been a secret.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: Welcome back. The clock is ticking. In 10 days, the prime suspect of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old American girl, is set to walk free. Tonight, in Aruba, Jossy Mansur. He's the managing director and editor of "Diario" newspaper.But first, to WBMA-TV reporter Anastasiya Bolton. Anastasiya, bring us up-to-date. ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA REPORTER COVERING STORY: Nancy, apparently, Joran van der Sloot's attorney are suing NBC News. They went to court tonight. They're suing NBC over the video that witnesses tell us NBC shot at the prison where Joran is being held. Apparently, the video supposedly shows Joran in his cell. And NBC News also, we're told, trying to ask Joran some questions. Now, the attorney for Joran van der Sloot want that video to be, not necessarily taken away, but to never see the light of day, never to be shown, and never to distributed. They're claiming that they want to charge NBC News $1 million a day for each time that video is shown. Also, Joran was not interviewed today. And there's no time line when he's going to be interviewed. At this point, tomorrow marks two weeks since he was questioned by authorities. Also, the dive teams are not in the water yet. We've been promised they should be in the water any day now. We're told that the Aruba search and rescue that is in charge of this operation is gathering a dive team together to go out and search in the areas of interest with some new equipment that they have. Also, I've spoken with the Police press person today. We're told that Police are working with two dogs from Florida, two cadaver dogs from Florida, looking for any remains of Natalee Holloway or anything they can find. I'm told that they're looking at some areas of interest that they've been searched before and some new areas. That search has been going on since Monday. That's about all I have right now -- Nancy?GRACE: I want to go to Jossy Mansur with "Diario." Jossy, how does a camera crew get in a jail and start taking video footage of a prisoner and throw questions at them? How does that happen? JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO": I don't know. Maybe they wanted to see the insides of the jail to see what it looks like where Joran is being held. I don't know. GRACE: I don't either, Jossy. I'm with you on that one. I'm going to go to Ray Giudice, veteran defense attorney. Ray, how hard is it to get behind bars, even as a prosecutor? I had to, you know, undergo a search, walk through a metal detector, give my ID, my bar card, my badge, you know, full body search. Now, how the heck did a camera crew get into this jail, get back to his cell, and start asking him questions? RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, this is just more evidence of the ineptness of the law enforcement authorities in Aruba. This should never happen. And that film -- and I'm a big freedom of the press guy -- but that should be suppressed. There's no way a trier of fact, whether it's a judge or a jury, should have any view of this gentleman -- and he's still just an accused individual -- of his response or lack of responses to questions. He may have made some verbal response to those questions that a judge or a jury is going to look at and have some kind of response to. That's not evidence. He has counsel. He can't be questioned by law enforcement without his counsel there. And he should not be subjected to questions by some reporter who somehow either bribed somebody or snuck their way into jail with a camera crew. I can barely get access to my clients. I'm not blaming anybody. But because of all the security nowadays, I mean, I have to go through a metal detector, show two pieces of ID. You know how hard it is. GRACE: I'm not afraid to point a finger. Look, if Joran van der Sloot has given so many contradictory statements, I can tell you right now, something stinks. But, Richard Herman, I'm not for people going behind bars, unsolicited. A camera crew in a jail asking a defendant questions? Totally inappropriate. Yet they keep telling us Aruban authorities are doing everything by the book. RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, the prime minister, I guess, disclosed to Beth that, you know, they've made some mistakes in this investigation. We don't need him to say that. We've been calling this an abomination from the beginning. It's outrageous. Nancy, these three young kids could not have committed the perfect murder. They could not have done it. They needed assistance. They needed help from someone with sophistication.GRACE: I never said they didn't have help. HERMAN: They had help, and you know who they had help from? I believe Mr. Runaway, Mr. Backside, the judge himself. He's the only one that was close to them that night who gave conflicting versions of what happened when he picked his son up. He's the one, Nancy. GRACE: You know, we've asked the van der Sloot family, the attorneys, Paulus van der Sloot, the judge to come on the show and answer our questions in response to comments just like that from Richard Herman, when is an entirely common sense observation. They have declined our invitation. Very quickly to Michelle Callahan, psychologist. Michelle, both defense lawyers brought up something very interesting. Even though van der Sloot may not have commented to this NBC camera crew, his non-verbal reaction, if that were shown to a jury, this is entirely inadmissible and inappropriate. No comment on whether I think he's involved or not, all right? But I'm just talk about -- how the heck -- what is this? Are we in Mayberry, and that camera crew just walks in with a camera? MICHELLE CALLAHAN, PSYCHOLOGIST: And it could be really huge for people to see his reaction. We're all dying to kind of get to this guy. We're all so frustrated with what's going on. To have the opportunity to see that, which is so totally inappropriate, would have a huge impact. I'm dying to see it, just to know, you know, what kind of look does this guy have on his face as we're watching and dying for information to see if we can ever, you know, recover this woman and just know what in the world ever happened to her. GRACE: To Jossy Mansur, tell me about the dive effort. Jossy, are you with me? JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO": Yes, ma'am. What was that? GRACE: When are the divers going to resume? And what type of new machinery do they have to look for Natalee? MANSUR: Well, they have put together a very large team. The final plans are for Sunday. They will go out on Sunday. They will go where the indications are of from this machine, and they will search a whole big area in the ocean. GRACE: The machine is exactly what? I've never heard of it. It's not Sidescan sonar. MANSUR: Neither have I, but I've been told by the operator of the machine that it is capable of detecting human bones, feet, et cetera, at any distance. GRACE: Let me go to Ellie. Ellie, what type of machine is this? What is this?UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The way that it was described to me is that it's sort of like a divining rod that this American inventor has invented and brought down to Aruba to help look. GRACE: To divine what? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Human remains. He says it can detect bone or teeth. GRACE: OK. Back to Anastasiya Bolton with WBMA-TV. Anastasiya, what can you tell me about this new search technique? BOLTON: Pretty much everything that you've heard so far, very little. Apparently, this is a new person. He's bringing this new machine in there. At this point, grasping for straws, using anything they possibly can. Not much, Nancy. GRACE: Anastasia, question: September 4, 10 days away, what does the state have to put up to an Aruban court to keep the judge's son behind bars? BOLTON: Nancy, my understanding is they have to bring out every -- all the stops, everything they have, because, at this point, they've not shown that they can charge the man. They cannot charge Joran, and they haven't charged him yet. So any kind of physical evidence, the strongest possible evidence yet, which we have obviously not seen yet. So, hopefully, September 4th, or anytime before that, we'll be able to see that so he gets to stay behind bars. GRACE: OK, everybody. We'll all be right back. Stay with us. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) B. TWITTY: There have to be other individuals -- I know there are -- that know what happened that night. And I just so am praying that they will come forward and, you know, do the right thing and let us know where Natalee is. And we will not let this go until we take Natalee home. It will never end. (END VIDEO CLIP)(COMMERCIAL BREAK)



On 8-24 MSNBC reported:

How mom keeps spotlight on the Holloway case
Pina coladas collide with grim reality in Aruba
(VIDEO of BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY)
REPORTER'S NOTEBOOK
By Michelle Kosinski
Correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 2:56 p.m. ET Aug 24, 2005
PALM BEACH, Aruba - It was another sunny, breezy afternoon in Aruba, when I heard a light knocking on the door of my hotel room.
A shy vacationer named Cindy appeared, and held out a small soft-cover book. "Can you get this to Beth?" she asked, referring to Beth Holloway Twitty, by her first name only, as most people here have come to do.
Holloway Twitty's daughter, Natalee Holloway, 18, disappeared May 30, at the end of her high school graduation trip to this Dutch Caribbean island. Extensive searches by Dutch marines, Aruban police, and some 2,000 volunteers have found no trace of her.
The self-help book was called "Why?" and Cindy said it had helped her, and she hoped it would help Holloway Twitty cope with the search for her daughter. I told her she could come back later that evening and present it in person. She did.
Unfortunate celebrity
Holloway Twitty is more than used to this. She has learned that there is no anonymity on this small island, and certainly none when you're at the center of a frustrating mystery that's been in the public eye for almost three months.
One might think that the added attention of having strangers recognize her virtually everywhere she goes, and constantly approach her, would only add to the pressure, the feeling of vulnerability. For Holloway Twitty, it helps her.
She hugged the tourist with the book and thanked her. "I'm just so grateful to all of them," she said.
Sometimes, after completing a round of nighttime live television appearances, it's hard for her to walk through the lobby of the hotel without people approaching her every few feet.
Occasionally, they want to help with the case. A young woman and her mother approached Holloway Twitty one night, and told her that the main suspect in Natalee's disappearance, Joran van der Sloot, also had tried to get her into his car after a night at Carlos and Charlie's, a local bar. That young woman later told the FBI about the same incident.
Again, Holloway Twitty was grateful.
She knows well that staying in the public consciousness keeps her daughter’s disappearance on people's minds.
Tourists can’t escape news of disappearance
And keeps their eyes open. Tourists talk about it. When they go shopping, they see posters offering a reward for information regarding the young woman’s disappearance in store windows. They watch the latest news on the investigation on the satellite televisions in their hotels. They go out and see the landmarks that figure into the case. They constantly ask cab drivers for the latest developments. They go hiking or diving and find themselves looking for clues.
Three weeks ago, a tourist from North Carolina called me to ask me how to get in touch with police. She and her husband had been out exploring the island, and they came across a sneaker.
They knew investigators were looking for a pair of sneakers that belonged to van der Sloot. And, they knew the sneaker they spotted probably was just something someone left behind, but they couldn't let it go. She wanted to let police know about it.
Vacations continue, with alert radars up
Not that vacations on Aruba are all about the Holloway case. After nearly three months, life does go on here.
People still have fun. They still go out and laugh, dance and party.
But things have changed here in many ways, for both tourists and locals.
The tourism industry is Aruba's lifeblood; surprisingly, it has not suffered much. Most days, hotels are full or close to it.
But industry insiders are watching warily. The Prime Minister's office is concerned about the image of the island, as presented to the world now on a daily basis by the international press.
"We thought about it on our way here," said Nicole Salvatore, 17. "We just watch out for ourselves. I think people need to know that stuff like this can happen, and they need to be careful."
She and her sister, Amber Salvatore, 19, both from the Northeast, recently spent some time soaking up sun outside the Marriott hotel — within sight of the place where the suspects say they left Natalee the morning she disappeared.
"It's on everyone's mind," said Amber Salvatore. "You look around and she could have been right here, and you think about that kind of stuff. But also, you just watch out for yourself and you learn from things like this."
Still, neither young woman thought about not coming to Aruba. “It's so beautiful here," Nicole Salvatore added. "You don't want to stop people from coming down here."
World’s collide
Still, there are moments when tourism and the case collide. A few weeks ago, on a particularly active beach day, tourists were jolted from their frozen pina coladas by the sight of a dive team — with shovels — heading purposefully into the water about 60 yards out.
Then they started digging. Tourists in swimsuits watched, grimly. Children suddenly weren't laughing anymore. Holloway’s father arrived, and people gave him his space.
Soon the searchers dug out and pulled up an old rusted barrel — an old buoy weight with no connection to Holloway’s disappearance.
In fact, it was a tourist who had tipped off the searchers about it sticking out of the water. And so the tips come in. Everyone, it seems, would like to help, and see this case solved. It hurts them to be on vacation, while another family — not so unlike their own — is suffering.
"Sometimes you forget what's going on in Aruba while you're having fun with your family. You forget that they're searching for their daughter,” said tourist Kelsey Ciccarelli.
Some of the others traveling in Ciccarelli’s group, with their own bashful teenage daughters in the background, added that their girls were not going to be out of their sight for the length of their stay. The girls didn't seem to mind.
"It's very upsetting and unsettling, and my heartfelt thoughts go out to the mother and father of that child,” said George Librizzi.
Unfortunate jolt of reality
Locals, of course, would love to have some resolution to this case. They, too, feel for Holloway’s family, and they want to go back to knowing that their island is a very safe place to live. For many, it has proved to be an unfortunate dose of reality.
"It has burst the bubble, and opened those innocent eyes to what the real worlds really like,” said Julia Renfro, editor of a local English-language daily newspaper.
“This happens all around the world, every day, people go missing. But it doesn't happen here in Aruba. And now, it has,” continued Renfro. “There's nothing more in the world that the Aruban people want, than to give Natalee back to her parents."
Michelle Kosinski is an NBC News correspondent on assignment in Aruba.



On 8-24 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police

8-25-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?

On 8-25 the “AP” reported an Aruba group is seeking divers to continue the search for NATALEE. The “Aruba Search and Rescue Foundation” has been helping search for NATALEE since she vanished 5-30. Co-founder EDUARDO MANSUR stated the group wants to lead the divers in exploring waters off Aruba's west coast, where NATALEE was staying. MANSUR stated that although the waters have been searched before, the group wants to try again with 12 to 20 divers and the help of a machine invented by JOE WALKER who claims it can detect human bones and teeth under water. "We have been working very hard on the case from the beginning," MANSUR stated. "We are following all leads." MANSUR stated he and Walker are recruiting local divers. He said they will start when enough divers volunteer.
On 8-25 MADURO was suspended for 6 weeks by ARUBA Minister of Justice, RUDY CROES, pending a review of events of 8-24. He explained that he just wanted to help the MSNBC crew in their video piece about the prison and especially showing them the recent new construction areas of the prison, and that there was no pre-planned intent to film Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. MAURO also apologized, saying, “I want to express my apologies to the van der Sloot family. I had no intention to bring Joran any ill intention, to infringe on his freedom of privacy, I am sorry about that Paul, I am really sorry too. To my boss, minister of justice, I know you are very angry. I can repeat this, I had no ill intention to put you in a bad spot or KIA. Apologies to all my workers who call me for moral support.”
On 8-25 ANTONIO CARLOS, one of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ‘s lawyers, said “We filed a complaint against NBC and Ms. Michelle Kosinski of NBC. We are of the opinion that they are violating the privacy of our client. NBC, in a sneaky way, obtained access to K.I.A., and they filmed our client while he was sitting in his cell.” “We argued before the judge that what NBC did was totally unacceptable, totally unethical, totally unprofessional, and that has nothing to do with journalism, but that the only aim of what NBC has done was to try to tarnish and further prejudice the good -- the name of our client.”
On 8-25 CNN reported about the BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA fundraiser for the NATALEE HOLLOWAY search efforts “It’s an amazing event, Nancy. It was put together -- or the idea came from Courteney Cox Arquette, who, of course, is a graduate of Mountain Brook high school and is from this area. She came up with an idea of doing a silent auction. And at this point, close to 250 items were donated by famous folks like Alan Jackson, Brad Paisley. Nashville came out in a big way. Also, there is some sports memorabilia, some clothing from the designers. This is an event closed to the public, a silent auction. About 1,000 people are expected there tonight to raise money to find -- help find Natalee Holloway and help the family in any way possible.”
On 8-25 CNN reported “But I do have to mention, though I've spoken with the Police spokesperson yesterday, and he did say the Aruban Police are still on this case. They're still searching several areas. The Aruban Police are working with two Florida dogs that are looking at several areas of interest. So they maintain... they won't say where exactly, but they say... they're looking at areas that have been searched before.”
On 8-25 CNN stated "So far, the gardener has come forward with a sworn statement before a judge refuting the Kalpoe brothers and Judge Paulus van der Sloot. Have they been taken back into custody? No. Have they been re-questioned? No. Has there been another hearing? No. Has Joran van der Sloot been re-questioned by the Dutch experts? No. But they can have a hearing in the middle of the night about NBC and a camera crew.”
On 8-25 CNN reported “I have a lot of D.E.A. sources, F.B.I. sources. A friend of mine has just retired from the Secret Service. And they all have had experience on Aruba. And they tell me that this State Department, our State Department, is pretty upset about what’s been going on, not upset so much at Beth Twitty, because they have compassion for her and they understand. But Aruba is very important to America. They say it’s a transport spot for drugs to come and go. They -- apparently, the Arubaans take extra care to try, try to get drugs not to come to America. They don't quite take as much care to let them get to Europe. If there’s an extradition that needs to happen, the Arubaans are on it like that for us. In this age of terror, if a terror suspect was to go and hide in Aruba, they’ve been very helpful in ferreting them out and getting them into American custody. So that’s what I'm hearing mostly from my Police sources.”
On 8-25 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT issued a statement about the 8-24 prison MSNBC film incident saying that he saw the camera crew’s taping equipment. In his statement he did not say that he objected to being filmed.
On 8-25 FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN reported, “Joran van der Sloot's lawyer says Joran has made 23 statements, but only three different stories are contained within the 23 statements. The three separate stories were made early on and then, apparently, per the lawyer, Joran has repeated that third story 20 more times in written declarations.”
On 8-25 DAVE HOLLOWAY announced, “I have opened a website, (he meant to say an email address at) helpfindnatalee@comcast.net and what I am doing is reviewing them myself. Then turning what is important over to the attorney who will turn it over to the prosecution. The Police will not know about it unless the prosecutor knows first.”
On 8-25 Court TV reported the ARUBA jails as loungey establishments, and is somewhat amazed at the manner in which the ARUBA judicial system (the court and its DUTCH judge prompted by Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT and Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s lawyers) can swing into action within only hours over an infraction by a UNITED STATES news crew okayed by the prison warden, yet, the ARUBA judicial system (the ARUBAN Police and prosecutor) makes critical mistakes in the seemingly slow, information-privately-withheld from the disappeared victim--NATALEE--Loved Ones, and information withheld from the public.
On 8-25 Court TV reports that the extended family of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT wants him in HOLLAND.
On 8-25 Court TV reported that the UNITED STATES State Department is somewhat upset about the criticism the ARUBAN authorities are (deservedly) receiving over the slow, languishing, mostly secretive investigation into the disappearance of NATALEE, explaining that the ARUBAAN's assist the UNITED STATES State Department in curbing drug trafficking to the UNITED STATES. (NANCY GRACE hinted that the ARUBAAN's have demonstrated themselves to be too incompetent to deter drug traffickers, which seems to, in fact, be the case, since ARUBA is still labeled a MAJOR DRUGS and HUMAN BEINGS TRAFFICKING point in the CARIBBEAN)
On 8-25 BETH flew back to Birmingham for several reasons. One was to see her son Matt, and also to attend the fund raiser event held 8-25 at the “B & A Warehouse” (that actress COURTNEY COX helped organize circa 7-14). Approximately 700 people were there, by invitation only due to the space available, and over $100,000.00 was raised.
On 8-25 ART WOOD reported he talked with the ARUBAN Police about the pants belt found near the “California” lighthouse by GOLBA. ART WOOD was told by ROY TROMP that the ARUBAN Police determined--on their own, without any forensic testing ever even being completed--that, in the ARUBAN detectives opinions, the belt was “too old” to have been Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s, and that is the reason the ARUBAN Police have never sent the belt to HOLLAND for forensic testing.
From page 3 of the early November 2005 letter sent by NATALEE’s Loved Ones to ARUBAN law enforcement in which the family asked for specific persons to be replaced: “Art Wood states that Jacobs and Police Chief Dompig discarded potential evidence discovered near the lighthouse: belt and some plastic items. A shoulder bone with meat on it was found near the California lighthouse and discounted by Dennis Jacobs as a donkey bone. Art Wood contends that it is a human bone.”

On 8-25 CNNHN reported:

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, live to Aruba. A TV camera crew waltzes right into the jailhouse that is housing prime suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, judge's son Joran van der Sloot. Now, with the cameras rolling, one question after the next fired straight at van der Sloot. Tonight, his lawyers up in arms, trying to make sure the world never sees the jailhouse footage.
…
First, tonight, live to Aruba. Honor student set to start classes as a college freshman, full scholarship at University of Alabama. Instead, teams are searching the tiny island of Aruba for her body. Natalee Holloway vanished into thin air from her high school senior trip. Tonight, countdown, just nine days until prime suspect Joran van der Sloot could walk free. And a TV crew turns up behind bars in the cellblock. Tonight, van der Sloot 's defense battles to make sure none of us ever see the footage. And now the warden who let the TV crew in has been suspended.Tonight, in New York, investigative report Diane Dimond, defense attorney David Foley. In Orange, California, defense attorney David Wohl. In New York, clinical psychologist Dr. Patricia Saunders.But first to WBMA-TV reporter Anastasiya Bolton. Anastasiya, bring me up to date, friend.ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA-TV: Nancy, as you were speaking about the TV crew, it's the NBC television crew who got permission from the warden to go inside the prison, get a tour. And while they were getting a tour, I'm told they happened to see Joran. They took some pictures of him and tried to ask him some questions. He was unresponsive.However, they were not supposed to do that. That is the ruling from the judge, who made sure that this NBC footage will never see the light of day. If it does, he will fine the network $600,000 each time it makes air. And yes, the warden has been suspended because we're told the minister of justice should have approved that tour. And that generally takes at least several months.Also, no word yet on when Joran may be questioned again. This is today, is two weeks since he was last questioned by authorities. We do understand they have plans to question him. But when, we are not sure.GRACE: Anastasiya -- Anastasiya, let me just guess the Dutch team of experts is still preparing their new tactics to examine Joran van der Sloot?BOLTON: That's what we understand. We understand that the tactics have been prepared. They just don't have a timeline as to when Joran will be questioned again.GRACE: You know, to Diane Dimond -- Diane, what's the hold-up with these specialists that have been shipped in by the Dutch? They have been allegedly devising new tactics to question him for two weeks now. Nothing's happening.DIANE DIMOND, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: But Nancy, you've had clients like this or you've gone up against people like this in court. When they're not saying anything, that's hard to devise some sort of strategy to get them to say something. And you know as well as I do, if he just keeps his mouth shut, if there are no more leads coming from his mouth for them to follow, then he gets to walk free on September 4. It's the smartest strategy around for him to take.GRACE: Let's get back to a video camera crew roaming freely through the jailhouse. As we know tonight, a warden has been suspended out of that Aruban jail. Take a listen to this.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)ANTONIO CARLOS, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT 'S ATTORNEY: We filed a complaint against NBC and Ms. Michelle Kosinski of NBC. We are of the opinion that they are violating the privacy of our client. NBC, in a sneaky way, obtained access to Kia (ph) and they filmed our client while he was sitting in his cell.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: To Anastasiya Bolton. The defense is fighting tooth and claw so we will never see Joran van der Sloot behind bars. Apparently, he was lounging back in a pair of shorts, lying down, reading a paperback novel. Is that true?BOLTON: As far as I understand, they did videotape him in his cell. I am not sure what was on the video. However, I do know they tried to ask him some questions, and he did not even say anything. Not that he refused to answer, he was silent.GRACE: Very quickly to David Wohl. David, what is the impact of this crew taping Joran van der Sloot? It will never make its way into a courtroom.DAVID WOHL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right, Nancy, typical defense attorneys. How dare NBC try to tape our client and maybe get a confession out of him and maybe try to get the truth out of him? We are outraged! I'll tell you something. I don't think the judge has any jurisdiction over NBC. I think NBC should have sent that tape to New York and let it air. Remember when Gloria Gomez did the interview of Scott Peterson after he became a suspect? I don't see any difference here, Nancy. I really don't. I think it should air.GRACE: Well, you know what? There's...WOHL: They made a mistake.GRACE: I think there's actually, David Foley, a big difference. When you're behind bars in custody, a whole set of rules apply, as opposed to when you're in your dead wife's home, kicking back, having a chat with Gloria Gomez. So David Foley, what do you think it is the defense is fighting so hard to hide from us?DAVID FOLEY, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: They're not fighting hard to hide anything, under the circumstances, Nancy. This is par for the course. Every time we think, Gee, the Aruban authorities, they can't make this any worse, it can't be even a bigger debacle. I'm surprised they haven't promoted the warden, at this point. I mean, what a comedy of errors! What a ship of fools! This case is going to be over, period. Just let the Aruban authorities handle it. They don't know what they're doing!GRACE: You know, another issue -- to Anastasiya Bolton -- that's a pretty hefty fine. And the reality is, an Aruban court can levy fines against someone in the U.S., but then the U.S. has to agree to uphold that. It's a very complicated series of international treaties. But Anastasiya Bolton, regarding this video crew, how the heck did they get behind bars to wander beside Joran van der Sloot's cell?BOLTON: I understand that they got permission from the warden. Apparently, either the warden did not know the rules or just let them in. And of course, now he's suspended, pending the investigation. But apparently, they were allowed in by him.GRACE: Take a listen to this.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)CARLOS: We argued before the judge that what NBC did was totally unacceptable, totally unethical, totally unprofessional, and that has nothing to do with journalism, but that the only aim of what NBC has done was to try to tarnish and further prejudice the good -- the name of our client.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: OK, I've got a problem with that. That's van der Sloot's defense attorney. To Dr. Patricia Saunders. How is it maligning Joran van der Sloot? Now, first of all, I think that it's wrong, it will never come into court. But look, you've got the guy kicked back in his skivvies, reading a paperback novel. The problem is, we all know that there are search teams out there looking for Natalee's body right now, as he's kicked back, reading a paperback.PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: I don't see how it could possibly malign him. You know, in a way, this is like blaming the victim. The warden, who in our country would be an officer of the court, invites the camera crew in. And now his attorney is screaming as if they had drugged him and dragged him out and snuck in. It just doesn't make any sense, Nancy. I don't think the defense makes very much sense.GRACE: Back to Anastasiya Bolton. Anastasiya, it's my understanding the dive team has not started diving, the Dutch inquisitors have not started questioning, and we are in a countdown, down to nine days and van der Sloot walks free. What do you expect to happen on September 4?BOLTON: There are several things we expect to happen on September 4. First of all, the hearing may be held before September 4, where the judge may either decide to hold Joran for 30 more days, pending further investigation. Of course, that would require further proof from the prosecutors that Joran needs to stay behind bars. Or Joran will be charged with a crime, or he can walk free. But again, we're getting varying reports as to when, exactly, the hearing could be. But the deadline to have that hearing is September 4.GRACE: Diane Dimond, investigative reporter, has done a lot of background work on the Aruban case. Diane, what I'm hearing, what I'm reading behind the lines is, we all know September 4 is the deadline to make or break the case. That's on a Sunday. so wouldn't you expect that they would make some kind of a decision next week, preceding September 4?DIMOND: Yes, I really do. And I think if he's going to be released on September 4, it'll probably be about 12:01 AM, when all the camera crews and all the reporters are home sleeping. It's going to be a low-key affair, if they release do him.You know, Nancy, it's amazing to me that the Arubaans, as you say, they can't get their technique together. They can't get the divers ready. But boy, they sure can have a hearing in the middle of the night on NBC, who was allowed into the prison, just doing their job. I hear that defense attorney for van der Sloot, and I have to laugh. The NBC crew didn't do anything wrong. They did everything exactly right.And I have to agree with Foley there. You know, I'm kind of surprised that NBC didn't just get that footage back here to America and then make a decision, although I can understand it, Nancy, because they're still there. They're waiting to see what happens on September 4. They don't want to be kicked out of that country.GRACE: Well, I can tell you this much, Diane. I think I know why the defense doesn't want us to see that video. You've got, what is he, 6-3 or 6-4, van der Sloot ...DIMOND: He's 6-5, I think.GRACE: OK, 6-5, lounged back, kicked back, reading a paperback novel while people are out combing the island, trying to find Natalee Holloway, while her mother is begging on the airwaves for help.DIMOND: Yes, and this is not like Sing-Sing.GRACE: While the reward rises, there he is, kicked back. Do we have NBC's statement, Rosie (ph)? Let's throw that up for a moment. NBC has a response. "We respected the court's order and have therefore not broadcast the videotape of Joran van der Sloot. However, we did, in fact, have permission to be inside the prison. We are considering our next course of legal action."OK. Let me guarantee everybody that NBC has a fleet of lawyers working on this. I guarantee you, they'll find a way to air this video.I want to get back to the facts of the case, though. September 4 is looming. Joran van der Sloot could walk free. We know they'll do it, Diane, because we've already seen the Kalpoe brothers walk free. What I'm interested in is Judge Paulus van der Sloot. Hey, Rosie, do you have video of the judge hightailing it when either -- one of our senior reporters was trying to ask questions. He took off running.Now, according to the gardener and the jogger, his story is a lie. So you've got to decide, Diane, who do you believe? What do you know about Paulus van der Sloot?DIMOND: Well, I know exactly what you're saying. This is...GRACE: Whoa, there he is!DIMOND: ... the first night -- there he is. The cameras were out there. And instead of saying, Gee, I have no comment, I have no comment -- remember, this is a judge in training. This is a man who's supposed to be used to, you know, the pressure cooker. That's what he did. And it made everybody's antenna go up, I have to tell you.You know, one thing about the prisons in Aruba, too. I hear that they're not like Sing-Sing. They're not terrible, overcrowded maximum security prisons. They're pretty, you know, loungey, and there was van der Sloot, laying down, reading a book, saying, Oh, hi, there's a camera crew. I heard that he did utter a few words back and forth with Michelle Kosinski, nothing substantive. But you know what? If they had permission to be there and he can see that camera and he said something to that reporter, I say that's airable.GRACE: Well, you know, the thing is, Anastasiya Bolton -- Anastasiya with WBMA-TV, on the case from the get-go -- I'm less worried about how NBC's going to fare. I think they can take care of themselves. I'm more worried about whether Aruban officials can get it together and make a case before the court by September 4. Anastasiya, have they been able to track down the jogger?BOLTON: The jogger is still a mystery, apparently. At this point, they're making desperate attempts to find this person, actually encouraging him to call in because, again, he made a phone call from a pay phone, so they do not know the name or the whereabouts. So they're desperate, grasping for straws at this point, Nancy.GRACE: Quick break, everybody.Tonight, "Safety Alert." A serial rapist on the loose in the New York-New Jersey area. Seen in this Police sketch, he is linked now to six violent rapes. Police suspect there could be more. The suspect abducts women at knifepoint, beats, robs and rapes them. He is carrying a badge and handcuffs. Ladies, this is not an Police officer, he is a predator. If you have any information on this man or these crimes, please call the Hudson County prosecutor's office, 201-915-1234.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)GRACE: Well, in Anderson, Indiana, they're not afraid to say what they think. Here is the sign at the Lemon Drop restaurant. It's a drive- in restaurant. It says, "Where is Natalee? Until answered, Aruba should not be visited by anyone worldwide." So says the Lemon Drop in Anderson, Indiana.Speaking of public support, let me go straight back out to Anastasiya Bolton. Anastasiya, tell me about the fundraiser.BOLTON: It's an amazing event, Nancy. It was put together -- or the idea came from Courteney Cox Arquette, who, of course, is a graduate of Mountain Brook high school and is from this area. She came up with an idea of doing a silent auction. And at this point, close to 250 items were donated by famous folks like Alan Jackson, Brad Paisley. Nashville came out in a big way. Also, there is some sports memorabilia, some clothing from the designers. This is an event closed to the public, a silent auction. About 1,000 people are expected there tonight to raise money to find -- help find Natalee Holloway and help the family in any way possible.GRACE: You know, interesting, Anastasiya, so many of the search efforts have been paid for out of civilians' pockets. In fact, this dive effort, that is being done by a private Aruban dive team. They're starting that up as soon as they can get the funds and the equipment to get going. The search of the landfill -- hey, Rosie, if you could pull up a shot, a video of the landfill there in Aruba. It`s huge! That is being conducted by civilians on their own dime or by fundraisers like this, Anastasiya.BOLTON: That is true. A lot of money has been raised here in Mountain Brook, in the Birmingham area and across the nation. But I do have to mention, though I've spoken with the Police spokesperson yesterday, and he did say the Aruban Police are still on this case. They're still searching several areas. The Aruban Police are working with two Florida dogs that are looking at several areas of interest. So they maintain...GRACE: Really? Where? Where are they searching, Anastasiya?BOLTON: They won't say where exactly, but they say...GRACE: Oh! It's a secret!BOLTON: ... they're looking at areas that have been searched before.GRACE: It's a secret.BOLTON: They just have a different way of operating over there, Nancy.GRACE: OK, so even searches there have to be secret? David Wohl, are you buying that? BS! They're not searching!WOHL: No, I don't think so Nancy. Look, as a defense attorney, let me tell you what's going to happen September 4, unfortunately for the Holloway family.GRACE: I don't want to hear this.(CROSSTALK)WOHL: Nancy, there's no blood. There's no bodily tissue. There's no murder weapon. There's no evidence of a homicide. Your honor, let my client go, and then van der Sloot walks right out of jail. I'm telling you that's going to happen. It's tragic. But the defense attorney's going to say, There's no more evidence of a homicide than...GRACE: Hey, whoa!(CROSSTALK)GRACE: Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Were your two little fingers supposed to be Joran van der Sloot? Was that was that was?WOHL: That was it, Nancy. It wasn't very good.GRACE: You know, he's got a point, Diane Dimond. And you brought this up earlier. So far, the gardener has come forward with a sworn statement before a judge refuting the Kalpoe brothers and Judge Paulus van der Sloot. Have they been taken back into custody? No. Have they been re-questioned? No. Has there been another hearing? No. Has Joran van der Sloot been re-questioned by the Dutch experts? No. But they can have a hearing in the middle of the night about NBC and a camera crew.DIMOND: That was allowed permission to go into the prison. Yes, I mean, exactly, Nancy. You know, what I'm thinking, I'm thinking about the only thing that they can do to satisfy the Holloway-Twitty family is, when and if they let this boy out on September 4, and I think that they probably will...GRACE: He's not a boy, he is an 18-year-old man.DIMOND: A young man, anyway. I think the one thing that they could do is hold his passport.GRACE: Oh, please~!DIMOND: If they hold his passport, he will not be able to leave Aruba because I hear his family wants to get him on a plane and get him out of there, ostensibly to get to college.GRACE: That's right. That's a slap on the wrist. Let him go home and watch the wide-screen TV at the judge's house. Eighteen years old -- eighteen years old -- my dad was on a fighter ship in the Pacific at eighteen years old. And this guy's kicked back in his boxer shorts, reading a paperback behind bars. Quick break, everybody.Very quickly, to "Trial Tracking." The mother of Shannon Melendi took the stand at the murder trial for her 19-year-old girl. She and her husband broke down in tears as she recalled her last moments with her daughter, who disappeared 11 long years ago.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)YVONNE MELENDI, SHANNON'S MOTHER: You have to let them make their own mistakes, make their own decisions and find out that you -- whatever decisions you make, you have to pay the consequences for it. I just didn't think one of the consequences would be her life!(END VIDEO CLIP)(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joran, we support you! You're innocent! You don't have any insurance to collect!UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly!UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joran, Joran, we support you! We support you! We support you! We support you!(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: One of the many scenes there in Aruba, the tiny island of Aruba, from which Natalee Holloway, an American girl, disappeared.To Diane Dimond. Diane have you heard anything, can you tell us anything regarding the arm that washed ashore in Venezuela?DIMOND: Not a thing. And you know, I was talking to a forensic expert here in New York, who told me that the Venezuelan forensic labs are really pretty good. So I'm surprised that we haven't heard anything. I guess there was a little bit of bone or flesh that they could have used, and maybe the marrow inside. But again, we haven't heard a thing about that.I'll tell you what I have heard, though, Nancy. I have a lot of DEA sources, FBI sources. A friend of mine has just retired from the Secret Service. And they all have had experience on Aruba. And they tell me that this State Department, our State Department, is pretty upset about what's been going on, not upset so much at Beth Twitty, because they have compassion for her and they understand. But Aruba is very important to America. They say it's a transport spot for drugs to come and go. They -- apparently, the Arubaans take extra care to try, try to get drugs not to come to America. They don't quite take as much care to let them get to Europe. If there's an extradition that needs to happen, the Arubaans are on it like that for us. In this age of terror, if a terror suspect was to go and hide in Aruba, they've been very helpful in ferreting them out and getting them into American custody. So that's what I'm hearing mostly from my Police sources.GRACE: Diane! Diane, you have got to be kidding me. They would ferret out a terrorist, when they couldn't even impound a car out of the driveway?DIMOND: Well, they've been very helpful to the State Department. You notice our State Department hasn't said anything about this.GRACE: OK, everybody. Quick break. We'll all be right back. Stay with us.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)



On 8-25 HELEN LeJUEZ stated to FOX News that a young lady has come to her office and told her that she was drugged and raped by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. The girl is a minor, so LeJUEZ will respect her privacy. LeJUEZ stated that the girl was very upset about being raped by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , and the girl did report it to a child advocacy group. LeJUEZ described her relationship with the girl as a counselor. LeJUEZ did not know the reason why the prosecutor asked for a DNA sample from Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT.
On 8-25 ELLIS-SCHIPPER, member of the ARUBA “STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS TASK FORCE,” stated to FOX News that girls in ARUBA have reported being raped by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. ELLIS-SCHIPPER claims that if the rapes are real, they will each be handled as a separate case. At best, ELLIS-SCHIPPER feels the rapes might evolve into a modus operandi. ELLIS-SCHIPPER stated that the prosecutor can arrest Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT for the rape previously described by LeJUEZ.
On 8-25 DAVE and ROBIN HOLLOWAY stated to FOX News “Hannity & Colmes” that they are so grateful to the girls for coming forward about Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT raping them. DAVE described SLOOT as being a predator. DAVE is so-so on the progress of the investigation. DAVE stated he thinks the ARUBAN prosecutor should charge SLOOT with the rape charges that they know with which they can prosecute SLOOT. ROBIN stated that one ARUBAN girl has stated that another ARUBAN girl was drugged and date-raped by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. DAVE stated that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has admitted to sexually assaulting NATALEE. He feels SLOOT will be charged with sexual assault.
On 8-25 MSNBC reported:

Judge orders NBC not to show Aruba suspect
Network says it had OK to film inside prison where Holloway suspect held
ORANJESTAD, Aruba - A judge on Wednesday ordered a U.S. television network not to broadcast footage from a tour of an Aruban jail that shows the suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
The judge issued the order at the request of an attorney for the suspect, Joran van der Sloot, following a hearing on the Dutch Caribbean island.
In a statement, NBC News said it would not broadcast the footage though its news crew had permission from the warden to film inside the jail.
“While we respect the court’s decision of this evening, we are considering our next course of legal action,” the network said.
(MSNBC.com is a joint venture between NBC Universal and Microsoft.)
NBC showed a portion of the video from its tour of the jail on the MSNBC program “Rita Cosby: Live and Direct,” and well as the "Today" show on Thursday but did not include the images of van der Sloot, an 18-year-old Dutch youth who has been detained since June 9 in the disappearance of Holloway.
A judge is scheduled to hold a hearing in September to determine if there is enough evidence to continue holding van der Sloot, who has not been charged in the case.
Holloway, 18, of Mountain Brook, Ala., vanished in the early hours of May 30, the last day of a high school graduation trip to Aruba.
Extensive searches of the island have produced no sign of the teen who was last seen in public leaving a bar with van der Sloot and two other young local men.


On 8-25 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police

8-26-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?

On 8-26 at about 5:45 AM, Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE were re-arrested at their home. The ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN released the following press release:
"They are in custody based up the same suspicions as before. There suspected of the primary criminal act of committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately, rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences, and even more alternately, raping somebody.
Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on. To arrest S. K. and D. K. again, there had to be new facts and circumstances. That is the case."
The prosecutor's office also said the brothers were suspected of other offenses, but they did not provide details.
((recall GERALDO RIVERA’s telling O’REILLY on June 14, 2005 about the rumored Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT gangbang video))
The brothers were taken to the Police station in the city and held until about 11:30 AM when they were bought individually in separate cars to the court hearing where they were formally informed of what the are suspected to have done. Then they were taken back to jail, where they will remain until a court hearing 8 days from today (9-3). The accusations against the Murder Suspect KALPOE’s have to do with new evidence of rape in the HOLLOWAY case.
The DUTCH judge ruled in the 8-26 hearing that prosecutors had enough evidence to hold the 3 men for at least 8 days while the prosecutors continue to build their case, said Elgin Zeppenveldt, a lawyer for Satish Kalpoe. "We are appealing the decision, because the prosecution is withholding documents from us," Zeppenveldt said.
Concurrently with the Murder Suspect KALPOE’s re-arrest on 8-26 at 5:45 AM, 20-year-old FREDDY ALEXANDER ARAMBATZIS-ZEDAN (a.k.a. “Locoman,” a.k.a.
“Locoman Pimp,” a.k.a. “badboy_956,” a.k.a. “Freddy Zedan”) was arrested. The ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN released the following press release:
“Intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor. Intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious. Sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years”
????…. Does Current Murder Suspect F. ZEDAN drive a white (or light) colored vehicle ???? (like the light or white colored vehicle that the fishermen reported seeing near the “Marriott Hotel” beach shortly after 3:00 AM on 5-30, and/or, the white truck that JUNIOR claimed he saw the blonde haired woman’s body removed from at the landfill)
On 8-26 GRETA VAN SUSTEREN reported in her “Gretawire” blog:

Time Flies
Update: Under the category "you can't plan in this business," I had expected to take Friday night off, but now I will be working. We have lots to report and it makes sense for me to come in off vacation since I have been steeped in the Natalee Holloway (search) story since the beginning. Here is what happened this morning:
Early this morning I got a tip: The Kalpoe brothers (search) have been re-arrested and another suspect was also under arrest. The arrest was at 6 a.m. Because rumors run wild in Aruba on this case, we wanted to get another source. We did not dare report it until we were absolutely certain.
Calls went out quickly everywhere for confirmation and our producer in Aruba (George Szucs) got busy... very, very, very busy. Armed with his cell phone, his video camera and the car, he took off to chase down the story.
We also solicited the help of investigative reporter, Tito Lacle. With "all hands on deck," our people were able to get the arrest confirmed. In fact, in short order, we had two confirmations of our original tip.
I was also told by my producer in Aruba that there would be an 11 a.m. court hearing. A very short time later, he was at the courthouse — way ahead of everyone (including the parties to this investigation.) I called him on his cell several times and at one time said, "What's going on?" He said, "I am the only one here."
A short time later — and well before 11 a.m. — he called and told me that the Kalpoe brothers' mother had arrived. Since the producer and I have met many times with her, she was easily recognizable to him. He attempted to talk to her but she did not want to talk. This is understandable.
Needless to say, all morning long, we have all been pounding the phones. We are learning much about the other person arrested — Freddy — and will give you those details at 10 p.m. tonight.
What has caught my attention most is the timeline we have pieced together. From Satish's lawyer the other night on the show, we learned that someone was on the Internet at the Kalpoe residence from 2 a.m. to 3 a.m. Why did that person get off the Internet at 3 a.m.? Note that 3 a.m. is the exact time that Joran van der Sloot's (search) second call went to Deepak's cell phone (the first was 2:40 a.m.)
Stay tuned. We will have more tonight.



On 8-26 FOX News reported:

Aruba Re-Arrests Kalpoe Brothers in Holloway Case
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Two Surinamese brothers who had been detained and released in the Natalee Holloway (search) case were arrested again Friday after "new facts and circumstances" emerged, adding yet another twist in the mysterious disappearance of a vacationing American teenager.
Satish and Deepak Kalpoe (search) were arrested on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified "other people," in premeditated murder and rape, Aruba's prosecutor's office said in a statement.
To arrest them again, "there had to be new facts and circumstances. That is the case," the statement said. Authorities declined to disclose any other details of the new evidence.
The prosecutor's office also said the brothers were suspected of other offenses, but they did not provide details. No information was disclosed about a third man who authorities said was arrested Friday with the Kalpoes.
A judge later ruled that prosecutors had enough evidence to hold the three men for at least eight days while they build their case, said Elgin Zeppenveldt, a lawyer for Satish Kalpoe.
"We are appealing the decision, because the prosecution is withholding documents from us," Zeppenveldt said.
Satish, 18, and Deepak, 21, Kalpoe were released from jail in July after a judge ruled there was not enough evidence to hold them in the disappearance of the 18-year-old American, who vanished the final night of a high school graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island.
Their release was one of a series of apparent setbacks in the case that have included discoveries of possible physical evidence or witnesses that later turned out to be false leads.
The brothers were first arrested on June 9 along with Joran van der Sloot (search), 18, who authorities have identified as a suspect in the case though no charges have been filed.
Holloway's family said they were pleased about the arrests, which they learned about from the FBI.
"We haven't been told why, but I think it's obvious," Natalee's stepmother, Robin Holloway, said by phone from Meridian, Miss. "We've known all along they had something to do with Natalee's disappearance."
Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen leaving a bar with the Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot in the early hours of May 30. Extensive searches of the island have produced no sign of the teen who was last seen in public leaving a bar with van der Sloot and two other young local men.



On 8-26 FOX News reported that two females have reportedly come forward alleging that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had tried forcing them into a car after a night of drinking at "Carlos 'N Charlie's."
On 8-26 JOSSY MANSUR stated that the charges against Current Murder Suspect F. ZEDAN also have to do with him and others filming and/or appearing in and/or selling nude and/or pornographic photos and/or films of young women and/or girls.
????…. Recall PAUL BROUGH…. as reported early in the investigation, BROUGH may be the man a.k.a. “Mr. Pink,” a producer of ARUBA pornography, that has a website here http://www.mrpinkproductions.com/ . It has been suggested that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT knew him, and, there is a rumor of a porn beach video of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT with a 13 or 14-year-old girl that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was “dating.” There are also rumors that, somehow, NATALEE was enticed to pose for modeling test photos, but was actually kidnapped to use her to make a porn film(s).
????…. Recall also that on 8-5 the “New York Daily News” reported, “Aruba cops and the F.B.I. are said to be looking to the porn world for leads.”
On 8-26 the case lead Investigator, ROY TROMP, said that Dutch interrogators would start to question Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE on 8-27 and 8-28.
On 8-26 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that several women and at least one girl were confirmed by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s lawyer CARLO to have come forward and been interrogated. The women are from both ARUBA, and the UNITED STATES. TITO LACLE’s source(s) in the ARUBA prosecutors office also confirmed that “many people” have come forward from both ARUBA and the UNITED STATES and that these accusations of rape are now added with the accusations already made against Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT would have to be arrested from a new charge, from a new girl, for a new case, and/or to have a new charge added to the HOLLOWAY case to re-start the 116 day clock on Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT.
On 8-26 SOUSA stated that she unofficially knew about the Murder Suspect KALPOE’s would be re-arrested. She said she knows for a fact that the ARUBAN Police Investigators are still conducting searches, and SOUSA is notified only after a search is completed.
On 8-26 KOSINSKI reported for MSNBC that in addition to the current charges, there may be new charges which the prosecutor is not commenting on. KOSINSKI reported that Current Murder Suspect F. ZEDAN is one of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s best friends.
On 8-26 JOSSY MANSUR stated to CNN, “What I understand from the sources that we have at the newspaper, the Police went back to square one. They know they have a tough case to prove at this point on murder first degree or whatever. Then they went back, they went to square one, they reviewed everything that was on the table, and then they decided that with the evidence they already have that is based on the admissions that all three of them made to the Police during those days of interrogation, that they have a sufficiently strong case to re-arrest them and take them to court on charges of sexual assault.”
On 8-26 “Riehl World View” wrote that JAIME CARRASQUILLA, a 20-year-old ARUBAN friend of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , would be arrested on 8-27 “for allegations unrelated to the disappearance to Natalee Holloway.”
On 8-26 BEARMAN told the “AP,” "We discussed it on the flight that, when we get there and get our hands on her, we're gonna be scolding her and telling her she shouldn't have wandered off. Um, you know, nobody believed it would get to this point."
On 8-26 BETH and JUG TWITTY held a joint press conference at the “Hope/Prayer” wall for NATALEE. BETH stated, “We felt early on, as early as May 31st, that these boys should have been arrested then, on that day. We spoke to our attorney and the F.B.I. this morning and we are just encouraged by this news. We want to wait until we get some new updates from them before we come forward with any more information on it.”
On 8-26 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated about the fundraiser, “It was just incredible, everyone was so supportive” Beth stated, “I was just overwhelmed with the comments people were giving me, and their words of encouragement to continue our search for the truth in Aruba. I feel like when I take a step out of Aruba and come back to Birmingham it just clears my mind and gives me more strength and determination to go back to find the answers.” “We are going to wait for further updates from our attorney before we come forth with any new information and comments on it. We don’t really have any information on the 3rd person, but I am looking forward to getting more updates throughout the day to see who it is. I am so grateful to be standing here in Alabama when I heard this news. It was meant to be that I was here with Matt and for the fund raiser.”
On 8-26 JUG TWITTY stated, “We have had a little more communication down there with the Police for the past week through our personal go between. We kind of knew something was gong on and so it made us feel really good to know that something was happening. It makes us feel really good that something did happen and maybe they have been gathering a lot of evidence. I really hope and that everybody following the case would think that they must have something really on them or they would not go out and re-arrest them again and go through the same thing they went through before. As for September 4th I really don’t know anything about it. I think a lot of that will have to do with what they find out today. Everything changes down there from day to day.”
On 8-26 JUG TWITTY stated that the University of ALABAMA president has called Beth in the past and the university was gracious enough to have donated a $5,000 scholarship last night at the fund raiser.
On 8-26 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police
On 8-26 JANE HILL reported:

Deepak Kalpoe Actively Passing On Natalee Holloway's Reward Money Demonstrates Guilt
“I don’t need any money.” That’s what Beth Holloway quoted as the response given by Deepak Kalpoe when she confronted him at his job and reminded him about the $250,000 reward for her whereabouts and the $1 million for Natalee Holloway's safe return. Boy, if that isn’t telling of wrong-doing…Suppose the CIA appeared at your job and asked you “hey, we just want to remind you that there’s a $25 million dollar reward for the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden.” Would it EVER occur to you to reply “I don’t need any money?” Of course not. For starters, that response would imply you knew his whereabouts, otherwise the money isn’t subject to you turning it down.Is there a snowball’s chance in hell that anyone who was truly clueless would respond that way? No, it’s virtually impossible because to respond that way requires the ability to earn the reward money in the first place. Someone who is truly unaware of the answer is never in the position to collect the reward money, much less decide to turn it down.Someone unaware might say “I have no idea where wacko Osama Bin Laden is” or “man, I wish I knew where that guy was – I could use that kind of cash” or “you’ve got the wrong person – you guys really do suck at reconnaissance” or “I don’t even begin to know what you’re talking about” or “is this a joke, am I being ‘Punked’?”But it’s truly outside the realm of possibility that someone without the mandatory knowledge would say “I don’t need any money.” That response is counter-intuitive. It means you know where Osama is and have already considered the $25 million bucks but decided against it, as shopping wouldn’t be very productive with that gaping hole in your brain after the fatwa on your head. So in that case, you might say “I don’t need any money.”For Deepak Kalpoe, a man in-the-know, it was a slip-up. Deepak’s already entertained a similar scenario and decided that a quarter of a million bucks means squat if he’s in shackles the rest of his life. So he turned it down.



On 8-26 MSNBC reported:

Hypocrisy over Holloway coverage
(Dan Abrams)
What is it about the Natalee Holloway story that turns generally well-intentioned and intelligent media folks into raging hypocrites? It‘s time for all of us to put up or shut up, so let me be clear from the outset.We cover this story a lot. We also cover a lot of other stories. Other shows cover it more than we do, but we cover it. It is for you the viewer to decide how much of it you want. But I think some of the others are panicked that the next time they‘re at some elite media party, they‘ll be scorned by their friends for having covered the story. The latest self-loathing comes from CNN and ABC‘s “Good Morning America”.“It‘s easy and it‘s brainless,” said CNN president Jonathan Klein in defense of sportscaster Bob Costas‘ refusal to fill in on “Larry King Live” when the producers wanted to cover the Holloway story.I talked about this a bit after Anderson Cooper went after this show and others for covering the Holloway case while continuing to cover tabloid stories himself. Look, there‘s no question in terms of international significance or in accessing what is truly newsworthy. In the old school sense of the term, there is no way to justify covering the Aruba story.Yet CNN makes all sorts of excuses. Well, sometimes it may be newsworthy or Larry King chooses his own topics. You can‘t have it both ways. What about Bob Costas, long one of my favorite sportscasters? What did he think when he agreed to fill in for Larry King for four weeks? Did he think they‘d cover the healthcare debate ever?Larry interviews old school celebrities, survivors of weird stuff, newsmakers on occasion, but often covers tabloid stories. I‘m not criticizing the show. It‘s a successful, highly-rated interview show. King is a legend. I respect the man, but that‘s what they do.Then on “Good Morning America” Thursday, correspondent Heather Cabot reported that NBC was hauled into court after obtaining video of suspect Joran van der Sloot behind bars. She turned it into a broader piece about media coverage and concluded saying, “Many media outlets including this one devoted considerable air time to this story and perhaps this latest story will help stem this feverish coverage.”They need Aruban court-provided aspirin to bring down their fever? Is this some epidemic beyond their control? Why can‘t these other networks just be honest with the viewers?
It‘s an interesting story. Many people are fascinated. Many of us have come to feel for the Holloway family, to feel like we have a personal stake in the outcome.Others who cover it more than we do have tried to make insincere arguments about why the case is a crucial lesson in crime solving and international justice, but come on, that‘s nonsense. It‘s a fascinating crime story.Look, I have no problem with those who frown on the amount of coverage this story has received. I get it. But to use a metaphor, if you‘re wearing leather, you can‘t also claim to be upset that the cow has been killed.What do you think? Drop me a line at Sidebar@msnbc.com



On 8-26 FOX News reported:

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Re-arrested: Deepak and Satish Kalpoe (search) are back in jail, and a third man has also been arrested.
Investigative reporter Tito Lacle is live in Aruba with the details. Tito, what happened today?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: Greta, basically, this morning, about a quarter to six, both Deepak and Satish were woken up by Police officials, telling them that they were re-arrested based on some charges. They had to go to the Police department. A third person, not to be named, or has not been named, has also been arrested, apparently, because nobody is confirming this, at least not the official departments that has to confirm this.
Deepak and Satish were then taken to the local Police station in the city, Oranjestad, until about 11:30, when they were brought in one by one in separate cars to the hearing, where they were formally informed of what they were done — have done and then take them back to prison. There they were told that they would remain in jail for the next coming eight days — Greta.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why were they arrested?
LACLE: The lawyers were told by the prosecuting office that it had to do with the rape. Now, in the official declaration, the press declaration, the prosecutor says that rape was already a part of this and that they have new evidence, because new evidence is needed in order for them to be re- arrested. They would not say what these charges were or these accusations were, although they told the lawyers that it had to do with rape charges.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is this new evidence having to do with rape of Natalee Holloway, or is this new evidence having to do with rape of someone else?
LACLE: Just rape. They won't go into details. Yesterday I told you that Joran's new accusations were based on people coming forward, three, four, girls, maybe more, that stated that they were either raped or that they had some problem with Joran. Today, none of that came forward, just rape. And it's a very suspicious information as to why they were charged this time, or accused this time.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. The third person who was also arrested today — not re-arrested, but arrested for the first time — were the accusations against him rape, and did they also include any suggestion of murder?
LACLE: Well, neither the prosecutor nor attorneys for the other parties would confirm or deny this arrest. They said the only ones that they would mention in this case would be Deepak and Satish because it had to do directly with the Natalee Holloway case. The other arrest, we're hearing, has nothing to do with Natalee Holloway. While the accusations also stem from rape, we did not hear the word murder being mentioned at any time, at least not us.
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
LACLE: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, did you have a chance at all to talk to the prosecutor today and see what her sort of view of September 4 hearing is, and whether or not Joran will be held beyond that date?
LACLE: I spoke to the prosecuting office. I'm not going to mention who. They asked me not to, for some reason. They did not mention the date. I did ask if today, as we mentioned, was a possibility where they would file for this case or for this hearing to take place sometime next week, maybe as soon as Wednesday. She said, We did not do that yet, or I cannot confirm that this office did do that. We hope that they did it. We may find out by Monday, but no specific word yet.
VAN SUSTEREN: It seems, Tito, based on what I'm hearing from you, is that they are accumulating more evidence in the direction of these new charges and rape, and that's why everybody seems to be in custody. Have they collected any more information that gives any sort of hope that that there will be a resolution on what happened to Natalee Holloway?
LACLE: Not necessarily. They're just banking on — specifically on these rape charges, trying to make a solid case, we think. But that is pure speculation. They have some information. The new thing that they're sharing with us is the rape part. But if that means that they're going to have resolution, that we have to see.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right, Tito. Thank you.
Let's bring in Aruban attorney Arlene Ellis-Schipper. Hello, Arlene.
ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBA “STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS TASK FORCE” MEMBER: Hi. How are you, Greta?
VAN SUSTEREN: Arlene, the re-arrests of Deepak and Satish and the arrest now of this third young man: put it in perspective. What does this mean?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, it means that the investigation is moving forward and there's hope that we might go towards a trial because, at first, I was doubting whether we were even facing a trial. It shows that the Police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. But I'm trying to divide this into two cases — basically, the rape allegations for these new unnamed women, and the investigation into Natalee Holloway's disappearance. Do you have the feeling that any information, new information is collected that's going to tell us something about Natalee Holloway?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, that I don't know, Greta. But I would have to correct Tito in one sense, that the Kalpoe brothers have been brought back into custody specifically for the same case, the Natalee Holloway case. And from what I understand from the prosecution office, it is new facts and circumstances, not necessarily a new charge. So the charges still remain and range from murder to kidnapping and rape.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So it does seem like the prosecution has new information on Natalee Holloway, it's not simply that they picked them up on some other charges.
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Exactly. Apparently, there are new facts and circumstances that pulls them right back in.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. I think the defense lawyers are unhappy that they don't have enough information. Are they provided with everything the prosecution knows about these new allegations, or do they have to go back to court and keep asking for this information?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, actually, I spoke today with one of the defense attorneys and asked him what are the specific grounds on what they base this re-arrest or this bringing back to custody for, and he said, You know what, Arlene? I don't know because I have not had any documentation added to my file. So they're very, very careful, the prosecution, and very secretive.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, at what point, though, does the defense find out, you know, why, you know, they've been re-arrested? And certainly, this new arrest, at what point does this new person arrested and his lawyer find out why he's arrested, other than simply the allegations of some rape and suspicion of rape?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, basically, they will have to find out in due course here. As Tito said, they are here for eight days, then a reassessment, like you have seen in all the hearings, will take place by a judge of instructions. But for to be able to defend your client in such a reassessment, you need to be getting some information because, basically, what you're doing, you're fighting the grounds. So they would have to. And if they don't, they will fight for that also.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there any doubt in your mind, Arlene, that this is a huge step forward for Natalee Holloway's family?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: I think it's a step forward. I think there's hope.
VAN SUSTEREN: But just a step forward, or do you think this is really a big moment?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, I think it's a big moment, Greta. You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, it certainly buys time for the prosecution, does it not? I mean, now that they can hold them on the rape charges and sort of start that clock — the 8 days, 30 days or whatever. So at least they can hold them in custody and it gives them a leverage on the defense, right?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: No, no, no. This is the same case. This is the same amount of allegations. So what you're doing is actually — it's a kind of a continuance. It is true that the pre-trial detention has begun before, but remember, they have only sat for 16 days in that pre-trial detention. So that, indeed, they win a little bit in that. But Joran's case is just keeping going on, and that is the lead time-ticking bomb that we have. If there is, indeed, a new charge from a new case from another girl, then, indeed, he will be re-arrested for that case. Only then a new period starts.
VAN SUSTEREN: So if these new charges today name a new person, that starts the clock running again. If these are simply some sort of change in the original charges, we're back to the old time clock.
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Basically, yes, because it's the same investigation, it's the same case. From what I understand, and maybe we will be corrected tomorrow when we get some more information, there has not been an additional criminal offense added to the order for what their pre-trial detention is ordered.
VAN SUSTEREN: Arlene, thank you.



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Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, breaking news in Aruba, two men re- arrested in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the Kalpoe brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, back in jail tonight on suspicion of rape and murder. They are behind bars right along with the prime suspect, Aruban judge's son Joran van der Sloot.
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But first tonight, breaking news out of Aruba, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in jail tonight. Prosecutors openly state the men are suspected of the rape and murder of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway. This was to be Natalee's first week of college classes, pre-med, University of Alabama.Tonight, Natalee's uncle, Paul Reynolds, in Aruba, Helen Lejuez, attorney for the Twitty family, Jossy Mansur, managing director and editor of "Diario" newspaper. In Atlanta, veteran trial lawyer Renee Rockwell. West Tampa, Florida, defense attorney Joe Espicopo. Atlanta, prosecutor Eleanor Dixon. And in New York, psychoanalyst Dr. Bethany Marshall. Also with us, "A Current Affair" correspondent Harris Faulkner.Straight to Harris. Bring us up to date, friend.HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR": First of all, Nancy, I want to say that picking up the Kalpoe brothers is not necessarily ground-breaking information, but we knew it was going to happen sooner or later. The timing of it is kind of interesting, though, because we're about a week out before they would have to let Joran van der Sloot, the key prime suspect in this case, go from prison because they haven't charged him with anything yet.I talked with a Police source today, Nancy, who told me a couple of really surprising things. You've been wondering what new evidence might they have had in this case. Well, he shared with me that they've been wiretapping these boys over the past few weeks. They've been watching closely the Internet cafe...GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait a minute! My prayers -- my prayers...FAULKNER: It's new and shocking...(CROSSTALK)GRACE: My prayers have been answered! They ran a wiretap in Aruba. OK, go ahead, Harris.FAULKNER: All right. So also, this Police source telling me -- and I know you're excited about that, Nancy, because you've been waiting for kind of that smoking gun, and maybe this gets us closer. We don't know that. But the other thing is, they were watching very closely the Internet cafe where we know Deepak was still keeping a job. You know, he opened that shop yesterday. That shop, that Internet cafe, Zyber Zone (ph), was supposed to open today. It didn't open because Deepak couldn't go to work because they arrested him this morning. So then the shop opens later, at about noon. We called an employee there to see if, in fact, they had opened late because Deepak was supposed to open. The guy said, Well, I can't discuss the store schedule with you, but you do the math.I mean, really, they have been watching these guys. It was just a matter of time.You know, here's another thing, too, Nancy. Some people are wondering whether or not that gardener who first they wanted to talk with about possibly seeing people who fit the description of Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers in a car near the beach, possibly with Natalee Holloway, the night in question here. Then that guy fled to Colombia. Maybe his testimony, getting that on record, might have helped in terms of pursuing the Kalpoe brothers. But at the end of the day, finally, they've re-arrested these guys in pursuit of more information.This Police source also filled me in a little bit on what their lives are going to be like, and I thought this was interesting. They're going to let them sit for a little bit, until about 11:00 o'clock tonight, and then they're going to go in and interrogate.And I'm curious to know what Beth is going to have to say about that from a psychological point because these kids, from what I've been told, are going to get a chance to get acclimated behind bars, get to remember what that feels like, that lack of freedom, and then hit hard with interrogation.GRACE: Well, Harris, I appreciate your report, but you refer to them as kids. One's 18, one's 21.FAULKNER: Well, I'm getting older.GRACE: At 18 years old, my father was on a battleship in the Pacific, so I don't necessarily refer to them as kids. But if you want to talk about youth, Natalee was just 18 years old!FAULKNER: Excellent point.GRACE: The University of Alabama has kept her spot open there, has kept her scholarship open for her. This was to be her first week of pre- med at University of Alabama. Instead, they are looking tonight for her body.I want to go out to Jossy Mansur with "Diario." Jossy, what time did the arrest occur?JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": In the early morning hours, about 6:00 o'clock, Nancy.GRACE: Jossy, what can you tell me about it?MANSUR: Well, they've been on the list to be re-arrested for a long time now, for at least a week-and-a-half. The Police were just waiting for the right time. They had to put all their documentation together. They had some paperwork to fill in. And then they proceed to arrest them on the basis of -- and this is what I understand from the Police, from our journalist sources. They re-arrested them on the basis of admissions these two and Joran had made in the beginning of this case, when they were first interrogated, where there were admissions of sexual assault.GRACE: Take a listen to this, Jossy.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, NATALEE'S STEPFATHER: We're happy, obviously, that -- if it's true that they've arrested Satish and Deepak, Beth and I are very, very happy because that's what we wanted. I mean, they have -- they have some answers.BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: We felt early on, as early as May 31, that these boys should have been arrested then, on that day. Just really encouraged by this news and just -- we just want to wait, though, until we get some further updates from them before we come forward with any more information on it.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: Let's go to Natalee Holloway's uncle. Paul Reynolds is with us. Paul, what's the family reaction? I know some people say this is not ground-breaking, but I, as a trial lawyer, believe it is. This could crack the case wide open, if these two start singing.Oh, we've lost Paul Reynolds. I want to go back to Jossy Mansur with "Diario." Jossy, do we know where those wiretaps were? Were they on the Kalpoe brothers' home, their cell? What were they tapping?MANSUR: You know, I don't know. This is the first news that I have about tapping them. I know they were being followed day and night. They kept a close track on them physically. But I have no knowledge of wiretapping the two boys. I couldn't even begin to tell you.GRACE: Quickly, to Renee Rockwell. Renee, here's the thing about wiretaps, and I'm anxious to find out whether it works the same way in Aruba. Of course, you have to have a warrant for a wiretap. But here's the kicker. You can have a wiretap or a bug in a public spot. For instance, you can tap a public pay phone. You can put a bug on the wall at the Internet cafe. That's commonly done. I've even had a case where we had a bug at a cemetery, Renee.So you know, you'd think these two would know enough to dummy up, but just as so many other criminals do, Renee, they yakked.RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: They yak, and you can imagine that they're sitting in jail. You know they're going to be separated. They're probably going to play a good cop/bad cop on them. They're going to try to trick them with stories that maybe one is giving against the other. And it's probably going to come down to somebody cracking, and the truth may come out.But if this is a new story by Joran that's land these guys back in jail, it will probably be story number 23. So still no forensic evidence.GRACE: You know, that makes me choke every time I hear Joran van der Sloot's 23 different versions of the truth about what happened to Natalee Holloway.Elizabeth, do I have Natalee's uncle with me yet? Paul Reynolds, welcome. What's the reaction within the family to the re-arrest of the Kalpoe brothers?PAUL REYNOLDS, NATALEE'S UNCLE: Well, of course, we're very happy about this development. This is something we've been working on for weeks. You know, we're -- we've felt from the beginning that there was information that the Investigators had that was incriminating. Certainly, we knew that the Kalpoe brothers had more information, and we think they were involved.And you know, we're appreciative the investigative team has moved in this direction (INAUDIBLE) bringing the Kalpoe brothers in and questioning them. We believe and hope that they're putting together the pieces of the puzzle that will help us find the answers and solve this crime, and so we are...GRACE: Paul -- Paul, what have the authorities told you about why now, why today? Do you know anything about possible wiretaps or bugs on the Kalpoe brothers?REYNOLDS: We don't have any specific information. You know, we're -- we -- I was looking at the information that was gathered in the beginning. You know, we've always felt it was important to go back to the very beginning, the night that Beth arrived on the island, the day that Natalee was missing, and look at the statements that were made, and you know, where people were and what they were saying. And we feel that is the strongest clue. And the new investigative team, we understand, has gone back to the beginning. They're taking a second look at things (INAUDIBLE) they're reevaluating the (INAUDIBLE) that they've had now. And they are saying...GRACE: I still say it's the wiretaps.REYNOLDS: They are saying there's new information, which we hope will strengthen that case.GRACE: Very quickly, to Eleanor Dixon. Eleanor, you and I have both gotten plenty of wiretaps in our time. You know, you would think at this day and age, people would be -- especially defendants, suspects, that have lawyers. They know not to talk. But Eleanor, law enforcement can be so innovative and so creative as to where they put a bug, where they put a wiretap. Pay phones, cell phones, the business phone can be tapped pursuant to warrant, public places, such as restaurants. I've had a wiretap not only at a cemetery, but I've heard of one on a fire escape in a Mob case.So long story short, I say, if wiretaps were involved, don't you know these two Kalpoe brothers have been cooking up a story from the get-go?ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: Well, I would certainly think that would be true, Nancy. And I think it's interesting because maybe because of their ages, they're more eager to talk. They don't realize the gravity of what they may say to each other and to other people. And most people just think, especially defendants, Hey, it won't happen to me. Nobody's going to find out that I'm talking. And you know what they say about a guilty conscience. Maybe they just can't keep it to themselves. They have to talk about it, in a sense.GRACE: Harris Faulkner, Jossy just told us these two had been being followed. I can just imagine them scooting along, looking in the rearview mirror and thinking, Oh, we're safe! Let's talk. You know, another thing -- and I've found this phenomena to be true in many, many criminal cases. Very often, you will find suspects going back to the location.FAULKNER: Well, you know, Nancy, we had a producer who walked into the Internet cafe a few days ago. And Mike Torgeson (ph), our producer, was part of our team Aruba, as we called ourselves when we were down there. He walked in. He talked to Deepak, one on one with him. Deepak would not go on camera. He said first, You got to talk to my attorney, but then he opened up a little bit. He said, Look, I know we're being watched, my brother and I. We consider ourselves to be suspects still, and we know we've got to be careful about what we say and do.So when I say wiretaps, from the source that I have, we could be talking cell phones. There are a lot of different areas that you described. But more importantly, this also has to do with who they're talking with. You know, there was a third suspect, a new guy arrested in the case today along with the Kalpoe brothers. We don't have his name. His initials are FZA, as released by the prosecutor's office. We do hear that there's a possibility that witness could have been picked up in connection with something that was overheard or perhaps listened to.GRACE: Let's go to the Twitty family attorney, Helen Lejuez. Welcome, Helen. Now, you're a former prosecutor in Aruba. Helen, tell me, how do you get wiretaps there in Aruba? Is it pursuant to warrant? And also, what sort of new evidence, Helen, do you think prosecutors are referring to?HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I don't think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.GRACE: OK, what new evidence, Helen?LEJUEZ: The rape case.GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?LEJUEZ: Right now, they're talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them. Right?GRACE: Right.LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it's not out that the other suspect that's in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.GRACE: OK, let me go quickly back to Jossy Mansur with "Diario." Jossy, our sources say that we do believe wiretaps were involved. Jossy, are you hearing the same information?MANSUR: About wiretapping?GRACE: Yes.MANSUR: No. No, I haven't.GRACE: Well, then, what do you that is the new evidence?MANSUR: I just said it, and I'll explain it again. From what I understand from the sources that we have at the newspaper, the Police went back to square one. They know they have a tough case to prove at this point, a murder, first degree or whatever. Then they went back. They went to square one. They reviewed everything that was on the table, and then they decided that with the evidence they already have, that it's based on the admissions that all three of them made to the Police during those days of interrogation, that they have a sufficiently strong case to re-arrest them and take them to court on charges of sexual assault.GRACE: Quick break, everybody. We'll all be right back. We are live in Aruba.Tonight, Supreme Court watch. Hearings set to begin on John Roberts. He is President Bush's nominee to the U.S. Supreme Court. Liberal groups gearing up to fight this appointment, pushing to examine Roberts's record on privacy rights, Affirmative Action, abortion. Retiring Justice O'Connor long a swing vote. Still others dismiss all the criticism, firmly supporting Roberts and pointing out minority groups should not be lumped together. Whoever is confirmed faces critical issues: abortion, gay marriage, Internet-related questions, and of course, the U.S. fight on terrorism.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)GRACE: Why did the "E" have to die? There you see, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe headed just where they belong, back to jail. Breaking news out of Aruba. Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, long suspected in the disappearance of 18-year-old American girl Natalee Holloway, behind bars tonight. In just a few hours, they begin questioning, re-questioning.Back to Helen Lejuez. She is an Aruban attorney, and the Twitty family attorney, as well. Helen, you were telling us about rape allegations. Go ahead, dear.LEJUEZ: Well, that's what has been added right now, and they're talking about gang raping. So when we're talking about gang raping, we're talking about a gang. The gang consisted, when this case began, of the three young men. One has been added today. Might be possible he belongs to the gang.GRACE: Now, Helen...LEJUEZ: Although, there is another allegation.GRACE: Helen, how long will it take for formal charges to come down, if they do? And also, Helen, how will the arrest of the Kalpoe brothers affect the case against Joran van der Sloot, the chief suspect? He's set to be released on September 4.LEJUEZ: That's not been set yet. It's the judge to decide if he's going to be released on September the 4th. What happens on September the 4th is the 60 days are up. But still, they have another 30 days, according to the law. The prosecutor will ask for the 30 days. The judge will grant them or not.GRACE: Very quickly, back to Harris Faulkner. I know the questioning is not beginning immediately. Actually, you know what? Let me throw this to our psychoanalyst, Bethany Marshall. Bethany, why the delay in questioning them?BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Well, I wondered that myself because, you know, these boys, unlike Joran, they don't have a father who's a law enforcement official backing them up. And I think they should have hit up these boys when they're first in jail. They were arrested at 5:30 this morning, hit them up right away while they're still traumatized.These boys -- or young adults, as you just clarified -- have not been motivated to tell the truth by victim empathy, by the anguish on Beth Twitty's face. The only thing that's going to motivate them is sheer terror, and I think they need to be told that they will be held to the highest standards of the law in terms of punishment if they do not come out with the accurate story.GRACE: Of course, Joe Episcopo, veteran defense attorney, there is no death penalty in Aruba. They are under the Dutch form of government. What do you think brought these new arrests, Joe?JOE EPISCOPO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think it's a combination of things. I always advocated that if they had let Joran out, they would have got a wiretap on him, too, because he would have talked. But basically, you have this new suspect. I've heard him named Freddy. He's the guy that takes pictures for what's called the "pimp gang." Three young ladies have been identified as potential victims of date-rape. One has given a statement, Two are reluctant because of this publicity.I think the combination of all that is where we got today. Now, this guy Freddy, he won't be allowed to have a lawyer for several days. He's the guy they got to question. But you can't go in there and threaten him, like the psychologist says, to try to get a statement. It's not going to be a very good statement if you threaten a guy. You have to make it somewhat voluntary for it to be meaningful.GRACE: CNN still trying to confirm that the arrest of the fourth suspect is in connection with the Natalee Holloway case.To Helen Lejuez. I know there are no juries in Aruba. There's a panel of judges that make the decisions. But when it comes to confession or admitted -- or any type of admission, you guys don't have, for instance, Miranda warnings. Everything a defendant, a suspect, says can come before this panel of judges, correct?LEJUEZ: Yes. They -- before they are being heard by the Police, they are informed that they have a right to remain silent. And if they are not informed of that, they cannot use that -- the declarations.GRACE: Very quickly, to Jossy Mansur with "Diario" newspaper. Jossy, where were the Kalpoe brothers when they were arrested? Were they together? And please tell me they're not housed in the same jail cell tonight.MANSUR: You know, from what I understand it, they were arrested at home. They were both at home.GRACE: And are they in the same cell tonight?MANSUR: I think they are going to isolate them. Whether they have already isolated them, I don't know. But the intention is, I understand from Police sources, is to isolate them in different cells.GRACE: OK, if the Aruban Police are watching tonight, I know you get Headline News. Tip: Separate cells this time, OK? No handcuffing all the defendants together for a nice drive through the country so they can cook up a story.We'll all be right back. We are live in Aruba. Headline: Kalpoe brothers and another suspect arrested this morning.Now to "Trial Tracking." Sandra Bieber -- remember her, the day care owner accused of killing a 1-year-old baby boy with a fatal dose of cold medicine? She takes the stand in her own defense, denying she force-fed the children cold medicine to make them shut up and take naps. Not only were drugs found in baby Dane Heggem's system, the same drugs were found in the diapers of other children who went to the same day care. If convicted, Bieber faces 60 years behind bars.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)GRACE: Breaking news out of Aruba. Deepak and Satish Kalpoe back behind bars in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.Very quickly, to Harris Faulkner. Please tell me these guys are not in the same facility with Joran van der Sloot and somehow communicating?FAULKNER: Well, from what I understood earlier today, when I talked with my Police sources, they're going to be housed in the jail first and then possibly moved to prison. And you want to talk about letting them sit there for a while -- Nancy, I interviewed those two black security guards when they were first picked up, and they told me when they got out, they said, Harris, jail is bad. Prison is much more civilized. You have a much more government-like-run institution. Jail is pretty bad. So to let them sit there all day, kind of get reacquainted with the idea of, Oh, my goodness, look at this...GRACE: Harris -- we'll be right back with you, everybody. We've got to go to commercial break. We are live in Aruba. Please stay with us.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)SOPHIA CHOI, CNN HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: Hello, I'm Sophia Choi, and here's your "Headline Prime Newsbreak."Hurricane Katrina has claimed seven lives in Florida and left parts of the Sunshine State under floodwaters. Forecasters say it could reach Category 4 status before coming back again somewhere near Louisiana or Mississippi. One lucky family in Florida is doing well tonight after a dramatic rescue. When Edward and Tina Larson and their three kids didn't turn up from a boat trip, friends called authorities. The family was located and rescued today by the Coast Guard. The whole family is now reported to be in good condition. President Bush's popularity has sunk to the lowest levels of his presidency, and that's according to the Gallup poll. New poll results put the president's approval rating at 40 percent. That's the lowest figure in his presidency. The same poll gauged overall satisfaction with the way things are going in the U.S. at 34 percent, the lowest since 1996. That's the news for now. I'm Sophia Choi. Now back to NANCY GRACE.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We've known from day one...UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Most probably a crime had been committed...B. TWITTY: Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said no, no, no, no, mama. We didn't do anything. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My client maintains his innocence. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I should have been worried, yes. GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I don't understand why it's taking so long for them to break these boys. B. TWITTY: Just desperate for answers. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said his name was Deepak. He said he was here for the missing girl's case. B. TWITTY: Deepak and Satish say they last left and saw Natalee and Joran. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Deepak was waiting in the car. B. TWITTY: Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, that the beach trip, that never happened. DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: All of them know more than they're saying. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you sure? Are you sure? Are you sure you guys didn't do anything? B. TWITTY: He was telling me the lie. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I should have been worried, yes. B. TWITTY: That he couldn't even face me at the Internet cafe. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was arrest. He was arrest. HOLLOWAY: They know what they did with Natalee. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joran van der Sloot had been lying, had been lying, had been lying consistently. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She has no case against the Kalpoe brothers. B. TWITTY: They all have been involved in this.J. TWITTY: They do whatever they want to with the boys. B. TWITTY: I'm not giving up. J. TWITTY: They've arrested Satish and Deepak. Beth and I are very, very happy. That's what we wanted. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I should have been worried, yes. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Will there be justice for 18-year-old Natalee Holloway? Natalee set to start classes, full scholarship, this week. That scholarship still being held open for her at University of Alabama. This morning, Deepak, Satish Kalpoe re-arrested in connection with the disappearance of the 18-year-old girl. Very quickly, to Helen Lejuez, an Aruban attorney. Helen, why this morning? What pushed the case over the edge that made them, in the early morning hours, grab these two, roust them out of bed, and put them behind bars? LEJUEZ: It's a normal procedure that when you -- when the prosecutor goes after someone, they get them in the early morning hours from the bed. That's a very normal procedure for prosecutors. GRACE: To Eleanor Dixon, Eleanor, to make the move to actually re- arrest is a very bold move, especially for the Aruban government who, as we see, is slow as molasses. What's your take on the new evidence? DIXON: I assume there's something that -- well, obviously, that they've gotten a piece of new evidence. And I would guess that it's somebody talking, somebody finally making a statement. It could be from wiretaps or it could be from one of the Kalpoe brothers even telling another friend, and not necessarily a wiretap.But I'm thinking it's a statement made rather than a piece of forensic evidence, which we haven't seen so far in this case. GRACE: I think you're right, Eleanor.And Joe Episcopo, of course, here in the United States, a case cannot be brought simply on a confession. There's got to be more than that. There's got to be something to back it up, but I'm not so sure that's true in Aruba. EPISCOPO: Well, I think they have a statement from a young lady -- I think she's 17 -- who was willing to come forward. The other two were not because of all this publicity. GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, I want to stick specifically with this case. I'm guessing, based on the interval that's gone between, that these two have been yakking the whole time, not just to each other, but to other people, too, to make this case, Joe. EPISCOPO: Yes, I agree with that. And I also think that, if they had let Joran out, he would have talked, too, and we would have had some information on him. But I do believe there are other witnesses involved that they're protecting, and I believe they are victims who have been subjected to something by this gang. GRACE: To Renee Rockwell, Renee, you and I both had cases where there was no body before, of course, on the opposite sides of the fence. How hard will it be to prove a case, if Natalee is never found? ROCKWELL: Nancy, it would seem you'd have to have more than just the statements of all the co-defendants that are going to be involved. Remember, in Aruba, there's no such thing as a deal. There's no death penalty, but there's no such thing as a deal. You can't say, "OK, Deepak, if you testify against Joran, we're not going to charge you." They don't do that in Aruba. GRACE: They certainly do not. And of course, you know -- Renee, you know how much I hate to get co-defendant testimony. But sometimes you got to hold your nose to do it. You got to go to hell sometimes to get the witnesses to put the devil in jail. Doesn't work like that in Aruba.



On 8-26 PAUL REYNOLD’s said that NATALEE’s Loved Ones still believe that Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT , the father, was at least involved in the cover-up and that is based on the statements that the boys gave in the beginning. He said the family does not know at this point if photos of NATALEE are among the nude and/or pornographic photos of women/girls that Current Murder Suspect F. ZEDAN is suspected of selling.
On 8-26 BONI opined that we are seeing “multiple guys” here, and we are seeing the word “rape”, and we are seeing the word “murder” in the prosecutors statement . . . a drug, date-rape, gang rape, murder scenario? Probably, that is exactly how it seems it is going. Now these days, date-rape is so common, especially in a bar, in an atmosphere like that. We see it all the time in this country where ladies’ drinks are drugged at a bar and that certainly appears to be where this case is going. If they have been doing this multiple times, you gain more confidence each time you do it and get away with it. I really feel that Freddie is the one sweating right now. Natalee Holloway probably fell into a trap that these boys planned from the beginning. It is their M.O. These are arrogant guys that probably thought they are never gong to get into trouble and they are never going to be caught. That no one would ever tell and no one would ever report it.
????…. Have all employees of “Carlos 'N Charlie's" been thoroughly investigated by the ARUBAN Police and/or private Investigators ???? (possibly an employee--such as a “Carlos 'N Charlie's" bartender(s) who may be a friend of one or more of the Murder Suspects--is also involved = bartender(s) slipping date-rape drugs into unsuspecting women’s drinks)
On 8-26 MSNBC reported:

LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST: Tonight‘s top headline: busted.
In Aruba, the Kalpoe brothers back behind bars, suspects in the rape and murder of Natalee Holloway. We have got the very latest from Aruba, reaction from Natalee‘s family and analysis from a panel of the best investigators and lawyers in the business. Thanks so much for being here. Joe is off tonight. I‘m Lisa Daniels.
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But, first, it‘s been a day of stunning developments in Aruba, the break that Natalee Holloway‘s family has been desperately waiting for, the arrest of the Kalpoe brothers and a close friend of prime suspect Joran van der Sloot on suspicion of raping and murdering Natalee Holloway. With us tonight, an all-star panel, former FBI profiler and MSNBC analyst Clint Van Zandt, Florida prosecutors Pam Bondi and Stacey Honowitz, as well as former FBI agent Candice DeLong. But right now, let‘s go right down to Aruba and MSNBC‘s Michelle Kosinski for the latest. And, Michelle, as of today, this case suddenly has new legs. What is the new evidence that prosecutors say they have? MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT: That‘s what everybody would like to know. And prosecutors won‘t go into great detail about this. But this development, you know, this is something that many legal experts on this island thought would not happen any time soon. We have known for weeks now that police have wanted to question the Kalpoe brothers again, that they wanted to rearrest them. But they said there was really no timeline on that and they‘ve been gathering evidence. Also, it was just last week we talked to one of the boy‘s attorneys, Satish Kalpoe‘s attorney. And he said, really, prosecutors had no evidence against his client and he predicted this case, at least against the Kalpoe brothers, could very well go nowhere. And then this development this morning. Police went to their house, arrested them, and they also arrested a friend and a neighbor of Joran van der Sloot. Now, prosecutors made it very, very clear that the arrest of the Kalpoe brothers is based on the Natalee Holloway case, but the arrest of that friend and neighbor is not. So, what the question is there, what the connection is, what made these three arrests happen together and yet be on separate matters, is a really interesting development. We just don‘t know what the connection is and what the separation is at the same time, because this happened all in the morning today. Also, the attorney for Satish Kalpoe, when he talked to him today, told us that he believed that these arrests were based on information about four people. That would be the Kalpoe brothers, this mysterious friend whose involvement we have no idea and also he said Joran van der Sloot, although prosecutors today mentioned no development against him. We will tell you exactly what prosecutors had to say in their statement. This is about the Kalpoe brothers. They are suspected of the of the primary criminal act of, together with other people, committing premeditated murder, alternately, together with other people, murdering somebody, more alternately, rob a person of her liberty, with fatal consequences, and they said, even more alternately, raping somebody. Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on. They went on to say, to arrest the Kalpoe brothers again, there had to be new facts and circumstances and that that is the case. Now, the Kalpoe brothers‘ attorney, the attorney for Satish Kalpoe, also said he believed these arrests might be based, at least in part, he thought, on allegations involving young girls and photos. But prosecutors made no mention at all of that—become to you, Lisa. DANIELS: Michelle, let me ask you, in the prosecution‘s statement, it says raping and murdering somebody. Do we know that that is Natalee Holloway? KOSINSKI: Yes, they spelled it out explicitly for us. We wanted to make sure, especially when there was these talks, these statements this morning from attorneys that this might be based on some other matter altogether. But prosecutors stated it clearly. Yes, these arrests of the Kalpoe brothers are based on the Natalee Holloway disappearance. DANIELS: Michelle, Beth Holloway Twitty has been calling for these two guys to be arrested since May 30. Is this a result of her hard work? Did she know this was coming this morning? KOSINSKI: No, she did not. We‘re told she got a call early this morning from the FBI, as did Natalee‘s father, about 8:00 this morning. And attorneys in this case, we are told, for the family, were told not to mention this to anyone. It‘s been interesting over the past couple of days, seeing the family really pushing for the rearrest of these brothers, but we didn‘t have any evidence. So, it‘s been a really sensitive topic as to, how do you even say that when we don‘t know what prosecutors have, we don‘t know if these boys had any involvement for certain, and then you had their attorneys saying there‘s no evidence against these boys at all?So, obviously, prosecutors had something and now they‘re trying to spell it out in what terms they can—back to you. DANIELS: All right. Michelle Kosinski with stunning new developments · thanks so much, Michelle.
And for more reaction from Natalee‘s family, let me bring in her uncle, Paul Reynolds, who joins us from Houston. You know, I have heard you and your family so many times say, we‘re not giving up hope; we‘re going to bring Natalee home. But I‘m sure, in private moments, you had your doubts: Is this case ever going to be solved? And now this, a stunning development. What is your reaction tonight? PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, of course, this is something we have been working on for weeks. We‘re very appreciative of the work of the investigative team and the prosecutor in bringing this action. You know, we certainly feel it‘s warranted. We felt like there was information that the police obtained in the very beginning that was a strong indicator of their involvement. And, you know, it looks like they‘ve built on that information and they‘re finally putting the pieces of the puzzle together and we will have some information. DANIELS: On the one hand, this gives you a ray of optimism that, yes, this case is finally moving forward. On the other hand—and I hate to bring this up—but some of the details have the potential of being horrible, just plain awful. Is your family ready to accept some of these horrible details if it means finding out the truth, Paul? REYNOLDS: We‘re certainly focused on the truth. We are—you know, we‘re not really thinking about, you know, what the consequences may mean. This is something we have had to deal with for months now. And we‘re just—right now, we have to stay focused for Natalee on getting answers and we just have to see where that leads us. DANIELS: Paul, you and your sister, Beth, have been so strong. You‘ve really put up a brave face. Have you spoken to your sister today, and what did she tell you? REYNOLDS: Well, actually, she called me this morning and let me know that they had been arrested, they were picked up. And, of course, you know, this is what we were working for. So, we‘re happy for the developments. And, again, we‘re appreciative of all the efforts that have gone into this. DANIELS: You know, I think back to something that Joran allegedly said, which is, hey, it‘s really Deepak that‘s responsible for Natalee‘s disappearance. Does any part of you maybe think all the attention has been on the wrong person? Maybe it is these Kalpoe brothers who know a lot more than they‘re saying? REYNOLDS: Well, we certainly think they know more, but we think all three are involved. We think Joran and Deepak and Satish are all involved.And, you know, we still think the father was at least involved in the cover-up. And that‘s based on the statements that the boys gave in the beginning. DANIELS: Well, let me tell you I‘m so happy for you and your family this is finally moving forward. I know this is really the break you‘ve been waiting for and really working for. And we‘re all just praying that Natalee comes home. Thanks so much, Paul. REYNOLDS: All right. Thanks, Lisa. DANIELS: Let me turn now to our panel.
Pam Bondi, let me ask you, do you think that the developments today—and they are stunning—do you think that it blows this case open, finally? PAM BONDI, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: I sure hope so. And, certainly, they are very, very important developments today, that they could arrest these two boys. And aren‘t we seeing quite a different picture now of these boys, especially perhaps if these new young girls come forward on the case? It‘s painting quite a different picture for them as almost serial rapists, potentially, who prey on young girls using date rape drugs. Also, adding this new guy, Freddy (ph), into the mix almost gives prosecutors someone else who may have information, and now they have quite a bit of leverage against Freddy. So, yes, these new developments are huge. DANIELS: Let‘s bring in Stacey Honowitz quickly.You are a sex crimes prosecutor. We‘re not talking about one guy, potentially. We are talking about one, two, three, four guys here. What does this say to you? STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY: Well, certainly, it‘s not an unusual pattern. And if this is what has been going on, on the island, that the four of them band together and, as Pam said, prey on tourists or young girls, then certainly, this is stunning developments, as you said, for the prosecution. We obviously know that there is going to be an opportunity now to try to break and crack one of these guys. I mean, all along, everyone has been saying, the statements have been inconsistent between the brothers. And now we finally see, with another person in custody, that this might be the key to resolving the case, because when someone is in custody, and especially people that have been rearrested, this might be the time now for them to talk or for this fourth person to talk. So, these developments are wonderful for the Holloway case. And let‘s hope that, on September 4, everybody will now know what evidence the prosecution is holding, because, right now, it is quite a secret, but we are going to all know the facts of what they were holding come September 4. DANIELS: Pam, talking about secrets, how many times have we heard Clint Van Zandt come on this program and say, the rumors on the island is that Joran has done this before? I just shudder to think, if the media didn‘t keep this case up—and there‘s been a lot of criticism of the media for keeping this up—but if the media did not keep this up, would these answers be coming forward? BONDI: No. And, Lisa, you know, I was talking about that with someone today. And you are carrying out, really, the family‘s wishes by keeping this case alive and all the attention focused on it. No. I absolutely agree with you. And let me tell you one point with the conspiracy. Now that you add another person perhaps into the mix of the conspiracy, a conspiracy is only as good as the people in it. And the more people in it, the weaker it gets. I just prosecuted a murder case, and it was a conspiracy. And once one person talks, the whole case falls apart. And I really think that‘s their biggest asset right now, that there are so many people perhaps involved in this. And, also, now that, you know, van der Sloot maybe hears that this other fellow gets arrested, he could get nervous. What does he know?DANIELS: Yes. BONDI: What is he going to say? DANIELS: I‘m going to ask Clint the question right after the break. Pam, Stacey, do stay with us. We have got a lot more to talk about on this one. We will go inside the investigation. Did a local newspaper‘s investigator break this case wide open? And the forensics, can they make the case against these boys? And a little bit later, on board the fishing trip Olivia Newton-John‘s boyfriend disappeared from. How did nobody see where he went? How is that possible? We are going to investigate that.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)DANIELS: Katrina blew through South Florida, killing four, leaving more than a million in the dark. And now she‘s even more dangerous. And we are tracking her path as she gains strength and heads straight towards land once again. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)DANIELS: Here‘s a picture we have seen so many times. But, tonight, for the first time, we‘re able to reveal the face on the right as that of a young man named Freddy, who was arrested this morning along with the Kalpoe brothers. Let‘s go back to Aruba and bring in Jossy Mansur, the managing editor of “Diario,” the largest newspaper on the island.And it‘s such a small island, Jossy. And you know everybody there. It‘s no coincidence the arrest of the Kalpoe brothers came today. Their friend Freddy‘s arrest came today. What does it all mean? JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”: What does it all mean? I mean, what it means is that these three suspects, in one way or another, had something legally against them, so that they could be rearrested. and the third one, Freddy, was arrested for another case that has no relation whatsoever to the Natalee Holloway case at this point. DANIELS: Yes, but I don‘t buy that. What are police telling you? What are your sources saying about why these people were arrested today? MANSUR: Well, the two Kalpoe brothers were about to be arrested at any time. They were arrested this morning at about 6:00. And our sources tell us that the third suspect was arrested because he was selling photos, inappropriate photos, of young girls without any clothes on. DANIELS: Do we know if Natalee Holloway‘s photo is among those? MANSUR: No. Just—well, we don‘t know that for a fact, or we can‘t even imagine that. But he was arrested because he was discovered to be involved with other people in this kind of trade, no?DANIELS: Yes. But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today. It has to mean something. There has to be a master plan here. What are you hearing about that? MANSUR: Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough. What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran. And then he was released. And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs. Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case. DANIELS: It definitely smells that way. You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here. We are talking about drugs. We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people. There are four guys now in custody, four best friends. What does that tell you? MANSUR: Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends. They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around. And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house. So, there is a bond between them. There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate. DANIELS: Jossy, take me on the inside. Are they trying to squeeze Freddy? Because that‘s what it looks like. MANSUR: Probably, yes. Probably yes. They want some better answers from him than he gave the first time. DANIELS: I mean, are you surprised that this happened, that Freddy, the best friend, the guy in the photos, is being arrested? Is this a posse that everybody in Aruba knew about, the dirty little secret that everybody suspected, but no one was saying? MANSUR: Well, that I can‘t tell you for sure, because it would only be speculation or whatever. What I know for certain is that they are closely knit together, all four of the boys, the suspects, that they do party together. They go out together. I mean, they appear in photos together everywhere. DANIELS: Does any part of you think that this guy, Freddy, might have been selling naked photos of Natalee Holloway and that‘s the connection, among many, that may bring these four guys together? MANSUR: It is a distinct possibility, but I couldn‘t assure it, because I have no evidence to say that. DANIELS: Yes. And we‘re probably going to find out much more about this case as it continues, because look at what happened in one single day. Jossy, thanks for all that inside info. Appreciate it. And let‘s bring back our panel now. We have got a lot of people, Clint, Pam, everybody there. Clint, let‘s start with you.CLINT VAN ZANDT, MSNBC ANALYST: Yes. DANIELS: Because I want to talk about Deepak. You spoke to him in person. You went to his workplace and you said this guy was swimming. He was almost drowning. He knew this thing was not going away. VAN ZANDT: Yes. DANIELS: He knew Beth wasn‘t going to give up.VAN ZANDT: Absolutely.DANIELS: He knew the prosecutor wasn‘t going to give up. And now back in the slammer. Is this guy going to talk? VAN ZANDT: Well, you know, what this case does is, it gives us a unique look into a criminal investigation in another country. You know, they can arrest in Aruba on suspicion. We can‘t do that in the United States. As an FBI agent, you had to have probable cause. If I arrested someone, I had to immediately take him before a magistrate and they had a right to a lawyer. As you‘re suggesting right now, Freddy is arrested. He‘s not charged, but he doesn‘t have a right to counsel right away.So, the authorities can do just what you‘re suggesting. They can start to play him. They can start to use him. And, you know, the Kalpoe brothers have bonded together. Joran van der Sloot obviously is standing on his own. But now maybe Freddy is the one that is going to come along that has got information on all of them. You know, it‘s just like your other guest was saying.Once you get people in a conspiracy or multiple defendants who know something about each other...DANIELS: Yes. VAN ZANDT: Once you get one starting falling, the others can fall just like dominoes. DANIELS: Oh, yes.Pam, I didn‘t want to say this Paul Reynolds, Natalee‘s uncle, because it‘s too horrifying to even discuss. But you know where that statement was leading. We‘re talking about multiple guys here and we are seeing rape in the prosecution‘s statement. We are seeing murder. Is there the possibility that we are looking at a drug date rape, gang rape murder scenario? BONDI: Horribly, that‘s exactly how it seems it‘s going. And you know, Lisa, nowadays, date rape is so common, especially in a bar in an atmosphere like that. We see it all the time in this country, where young girls drinks, older women‘s drinks are drugged at a bar. And, yes, that certainly appears where it‘s going. I really think Freddy is the one who is sweating right now. BONDI: Yes, hopefully, a lot of them are. Stacey, let me ask you. In walks Natalee Holloway, this beautiful, young, innocent girl. Did she fall into a trap that these four guys might have planned from the very beginning? Is this their M.O.? HONOWITZ: Well, absolutely. From what you‘re hearing now, it is their M.O. It‘s four arrogant guys who probably think that drugging these girls and committing rape upon them, they‘re never going to get in trouble and they‘re never get caught, probably with the feeling that these women come from another country and no one is ever going to tell and no one is going to report it. So, is there an M.O.? Right now, we‘re probably starting to see that. You have Freddy in custody. And as every guest has said, when you have inconsistent statements, when you have another guy in custody, four people at one time, someone is going to break. Someone is going to talk. And it might even be the situation where a prosecutor says, listen, we won‘t file charges against—or not that we won‘t file charges.DANIELS: Yes. HONOWITZ: But here is what is pending. Tell us what you know. Give us leverage. And there is going to be a big break. (CROSSTALK) HONOWITZ: Candice, this is what I‘m worried about, because I don‘t know if the Aruban authorities are up to this. Here we have Joran, with his feet up on a chair. He‘s reading a novel. Are the Aruban authorities up for pressing this guy, squeezing all four guys until somebody cracks wide open? CANDICE DELONG, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Well, they‘ve had, of course, Joran in their custody for a while. My understanding is that, while he‘s being interrogated, he sits with his hands over his ears. So, we can forget about him for now. Freddy is probably—if anybody is going to break, it‘s going to be Freddy. I‘m deeply disturbed by this news that this group of young men are called themselves the pimps. What does a pimp do? It takes sexual advantage of a young woman. It‘s fascinating, I think. The statement today was very interestingly worded. They referred to the disappearance and murder, so we have got the old thing with Natalee, and then possible new charges. DANIELS: Pam, on the one hand, these guys are so arrogant, if the evidence—we have to repeat that—if the evidence is true and all these allegations are true. On the other hand, we are looking at perhaps sexual predators, four, maybe three guys who are sexual predators. They did it before. They may do it again. We have seen it in the movies. What does it take to crack these guys open? BONDI: It takes one, one, only one of them to come forward. And I guarantee you, what law enforcement is saying to these guys now, hey, the first one of you to talk gets the deal. And that‘s what they‘re so scared about. Which one is going to come forward first? And, you know, with this pattern of criminal conduct that it appears we‘re seeing, typically, in a case like that, defendants gain more confidence, because, in the beginning, we all thought, who would be stupid enough to do this to this beautiful young girl with her whole high school class there.But if they‘ve been getting away with raping young girls who live on the island, you know, you gain more confidence the more times you do it. VAN ZANDT: Yes. (CROSSTALK) DANIELS: Clint, I want to ask you, we‘re talking about 17-, 18-year-olds. I don‘t care how experienced they are. Professionals have cracked hardened criminals. What‘s the problem here? VAN ZANDT: Well, it is tough. They‘ve had a tough time. Part of it is—may be the interviewing skills on the Aruban officers themselves. When I got down to Aruba last week, I was told that the initial interviews of all the suspects were, you know, tell us what you know. Thank you very much. Close the book and move on, where an FBI agent, a police officer, or any investigator would sit there and you would ask multiple questions to try to get inside their head. DANIELS: Yes. VAN ZANDT: So, it may be just the lack of skill of working homicide cases. Fortunately, for the island, they don‘t have that many cases. DANIELS: Yes. Let me tell you, if they‘re scared off by this guy putting his hands to his ears, we have got trouble, folks. We‘re going inside the investigation. And after this, we‘re going to ask, is there enough forensic evidence to get a conviction? Thanks so much to my panel. And then we are going to track Katrina. She has left a trail of devastation in South Florida. Now, in the Gulf, she is gaining strength. We have the latest. And then missing George Smith‘s bride, she should be enjoying the early days of her marriage, but instead she‘s nursing a broken heart. We are going to take you inside her private pain.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)DANIELS: Tracking the path of the killer hurricane building strength and heading for landfall. We are going to have the very latest on her path. But, first, here‘s the latest news from MSNBC World Headquarters. (NEWS BREAK) DANIELS: More than a million people are without any power after Hurricane Katrina slammed South Florida. And now she‘s getting much stronger and heading west. We‘re going to get an update. Then new information and a tour of the ship where Olivia Newton-John‘s boyfriend was last seen. Also, we have an in-depth report on the wife of missing honeymooner George Smith IV. And welcome back to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY. I‘m Lisa Daniels, in tonight for Joe. We are going to have all those stories in just minutes.But, first, let‘s bring back our panel. With us, Pam Bondi, Stacey Honowitz and Candice DeLong. And I want to talk to you a little about the forensic evidence in the case, because that is really what this case is going to come down to. Let‘s break open the case and take a look at what we have got. Authorities basically have the vehicles from the van der Sloot property. They also searched the van der Sloot home, at least Joran‘s. They took bags full of evidence away. And, of course, you have got the landfill. We know it‘s been searched a lot of times. We don‘t know what those searches have turned up. And, finally, as far as we know, perhaps there‘s some DNA tests of the Kalpoes. The first ones were, of course, tossed out of court, but it‘s possible that today‘s arrest will lead to a new round of tests. So, Candice, looking at the slivers of evidence at this point, is there enough to prosecute any of these guys? Is there a case here? DELONG: Well, I don‘t know if there would be enough to prosecute just based on the four pieces of evidence that you describe. But there may be things that we are unaware of that, that—for example, it‘s my understanding that there may have been some e-mails transmitted between the boys and that the police have those, taped telephone conversations, things of that nature. And, of course, as we—as you know, I‘m sure, testimony by witnesses can be used as evidence. We don‘t know what they got out of the vehicles, probably not much, because it was 11 days before they were even searched or longer. But a tremendous amount of circumstantial evidence may be what‘s needed. As you recall, in the Scott Peterson case, there was almost no forensic and he‘s on death row. DANIELS: Pam, I guess my question, as another lawyer, looking at this case, is, if I were the DA, if I were the prosecutor, I‘d go right to the judge and say, I want to search Paul van der Sloot‘s home, the family home. This is the guy that allegedly said no body, no case. He knows something. Why hasn‘t that happened? BONDI: Well, they have to feel they have enough information legally about the parents, about the home, before they can have a right to go search it. You know, they may have tried to get a search warrant and then were unable to in the past. We just don‘t know that yet. I really believe, if they thought they had enough, they would have gotten one and that would have been accomplished by now. If they did that, I don‘t see how they could have kept that secret either, with all the publicity and the media around the family home. DANIELS: Yes, but remember that they had enough apparently to bring Paul van der Sloot into the jail for a couple hours, questioned him—a couple days, really. BONDI: Yes. DANIELS: Stacey, you have prosecuted sex crimes before. How important is the forensics when the bottom line is looked at? When you assess the case, do you need forensics? HONOWITZ: Well, forensics are always very important in any case, especially in sex cases. But I have to tell you, Lisa, there‘s been several cases prosecuted successfully without any forensics. Sometimes, you just don‘t have it. You can have rape cases where there‘s no semen. You‘d love to have something like that to put in front of a jury. You don‘t have it. So, I‘m not saying this case is not prosecutable. It certainly is. As Candice said before, testimony from witnesses is sometimes enough. So, we‘re going to have to wait and see. DNA has not come back yet. We don‘t know about the communications over the e-mails. All these things might become very important. And September 4, when this goes back into court, the prosecutor has to have some substantial evidence to hold him. So forensics, while very important, don‘t always make the case. DANIELS: And September 4 is right around the corner. This case is just heating up. Thanks so much, Pam Bondi, Stacey Honowitz and Candice DeLong.



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RITA COSBY, HOST: Good evening, everybody. Stunning developments out of Aruba tonight. Could big arrests there finally lead to finding Natalee Holloway? The Kalpoe brothers, Deepak and Satish, are behind bars again, arrested once again on suspicion of rape and murder in the disappearance of Natalee.NBC‘s Michelle Kosinski has the bombshell news out of Aruba for us. Michelle, tell us how this all went down.MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Well, Rita, this is a surprise to most people. When you talked to people about this possibility in the case, even as recently as a couple of days ago, many people would say, No, it couldn‘t happen. There‘s just been a general belief among people associated with the case, among defense attorneys, that prosecutors have had very little evidence to go on, especially against the two suspects who have been out of jail.Well, now we know that‘s not the case, that prosecutors do have something, because this morning, police went to the Kalpoe brothers‘ house, arrested both of them, as well as a friend and neighbor of Joran van der Sloot‘s. Now, prosecutors made it very, very clear that the arrest of the Kalpoe brothers is connected to Natalee Holloway‘s disappearance but that the arrest of the friend is not.We were able to talk to one of the suspect‘s attorneys, and he gave us some more information. He said that he believed that the arrests of these people made today is actually based information involving four people, the two Kalpoe brothers, the friend and, he says, Joran van der Sloot, although there has been nothing new, to our knowledge, brought against Joran, and prosecutors have not mentioned anything new against him in terms of evidence or information.This defense attorney also told me he believed these arrests were based at least in part on new allegations that could involve photographs and young girls. Again, no one else is commenting on that part of the investigation.And here‘s what prosecutors are saying, at least as it regards the Kalpoe brothers. “They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder. Alternately, together with other people, murdering somebody, more alternately, rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences, and even more alternately raping somebody.”Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions. And the prosecutor goes onto say that they‘re not commenting on that. And they also say to arrest these Kalpoe brothers again, there had to be new facts and circumstances brought forth, and they say that is the case.Now, Beth Holloway Twitty has also been, you know, pushing this case forward, hoping for this. But prosecutors are releasing very little details about these arrests, what they‘re based on exactly, and that‘s been frustrating even for the suspects‘ attorneys.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ELGIN ZEPPENFELDT, SATISH KALPOE‘S ATTORNEY: Basically, we don‘t know. they haven‘t not shown us any evidence.(CROSSTALK)ZEPPENFELDT: No, this is not normal. Only in Aruba is it normal, arrest people and don‘t show them the evidence.QUESTION: Are you upset? Are you upset?ZEPPENFELDT: Of course I am. This is nonsense!(END VIDEO CLIP)KOSINSKI: So how is Natalee‘s family reacting to this? Well, you might know her mother has been off the island for a couple of days. It was hard for her to leave, in fact. She felt like something might happen over the past couple of days. She was attending a fund-raiser. And today, we were able to talk to friends of the family who said this was the big news to her. This is something that she has been working for for a long time.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: Jug and I and several other family members, we felt early on, as early as May 31, that these boys should have been arrested then, on that day. And like Jug said, we spoke with our attorney and FBI this morning, and just really encouraged about this news and just—we just want to wait, though, until we get further updates from them before we come forward with any more information on it.(END VIDEO CLIP)KOSINSKI: We‘re told that these three arrestees will be held for at least four days. Then there will be a hearing to determine if they will be held even longer than that. But again, prosecutors aren‘t giving us any details as to the exact specifics behind these arrests—Rita.COSBY: All right, Michelle. Thank you very much.And everybody, we‘re going to have a lot more family reaction in just a few minutes. In fact, Natalee Holloway‘s father, and also his wife, will be joining us in just a few seconds.Meantime, Art Wood is a private investigator who‘s been scouring the island for clues. He‘s been on top, all over the story. He joins us now LIVE AND DIRECT tonight from Aruba. Art, what are you hearing in terms of what this evidence could be?ART WOOD, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well, good evening, Rita. You know, I‘m not sure what the evidence is. I‘m hearing that these young girls that we‘ve talked about have come forward, and that could be part of the evidence. It certainly is something that I knew that the police were working on.COSBY: Have you heard anything about photos? That was something that I was hearing from my contacts, as well, and also something possibly something about e-mails. But I was hearing something on photos, maybe something that disputes the alibi where these guys say they were at a certain time, and also something tied to this third guy who was brought in today.WOOD: Well, the third guy that was brought in is a friend and neighbor of Joran‘s. His name is Freddy. I‘ve seen a lot of pictures with him and the other three suspects. But as far as photos that are tied to the case, this is the first that I‘ve heard of it.COSBY: What is the sense there on the ground, Art? You‘ve got a good pulse on sort of the read of things. Does this seem extremely significant? Could this be the big break?WOOD: Well, I think it is extremely significant. As far as it being the big break, if one of these kids talks, it‘s going to be the break we‘ve been waiting for. But I think there‘s still more people involved, still more evidence out there. And this is certainly a significant development because putting these kids back in jail and putting some pressure on a fourth suspect could change this whole case.COSBY: Absolutely. And what‘s the reaction from the community there? What‘s the sense in Aruba?WOOD: Well, I think that most of the Arubans are excited about it. You know, I know the police are happy about this latest development. The Aruban police are working hard to solve this case. They need to solve this case. To get the pressure of the international press off their back and to prove that they‘re a first-class police entity, they need to solve this case.COSBY: Now, September 4 was the date on which they could possibly release Joran. Is your sense, just from talking to folks on the ground there, Art, that this is obviously going to have a big impact on keeping him behind bars?WOOD: Absolutely. I think Joran has no chance of being released on September 4. I suspect that all four of these kids are now—are going to be in jail for quite some time. But we‘ll see. We‘ll let the judge of instruction decide whether the evidence is current enough to keep them there.COSBY: All right, All right. Thank you very much. Keep us posted, as always.And the question tonight seems to be, Why were the Kalpoe brothers taken back into custody? This week, Satish Kalpoe‘s attorney hinted that primary suspect Joran van der Sloot was behind bars because of his inability to tell the truth.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE‘S ATTORNEY: It‘s one person who has kept changing his story, and I think, too, that that is one of the reasons why that person is still detained, but not that the case has progressed that there are solutions.(END VIDEO CLIP)COSBY: And if Joran is the only one with a changing story, well, then why are his friends under arrest?Benvinda De Sousa is the Holloway family attorney. She‘s also there in Aruba tonight.Benvinda, what is the sense? You know, you‘re there on the ground. You‘re familiar with the law there. Does this evidence have to be fairly strong to re-arrest these guys again?BENVINDA DE SOUSA, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, yes, it depends. If it‘s re-arrest based on known facts and circumstances regarding the old charges, then it has to be pretty strong. Now, as Michelle read the press release of the prosecutor‘s office, there are also new suspicions. If it pertains to new suspicions, we go back to square one in these new suspicions, and it has to be a reasonable suspicion that they were involved in these new charges. And then the evidence, the threshold, like I explained before, is then lower than the one needed right now to re-arrest them based on the old charges in order to keep them in custody any longer.COSBY: Although you would think, with all the world looking right now, Benvinda, and the publicity of these arrests, you would think they‘d have to have something pretty substantive to go to this degree, don‘t you think?DE SOUSA: Yes, definitely. I do think that they have something pretty substantial in order to be able to effect these re-arrests. Remember, the threshold, like I explained this, is pretty high, and they can‘t just re-arrest them on reasonable suspicion. It has to be stronger.COSBY: You‘re the Natalee Holloway family attorney. What sense are you getting as to sort of what evidence could be? Have gotten any inklings, any hints?DE SOUSA: Well, of course, I was briefed by the prosecution early this morning that the arrests have taken place. As I‘m briefed daily, I relay this information both Beth and Jug Twitty and Dave and Robin Holloway. We—I can‘t comment on any further details because it pertains to the investigation...COSBY: Real quickly...DE SOUSA: ... because, you know...COSBY: ... do you believe this is the break? Do you believe this is the break?DE SOUSA: You know, that would be speculation because, then again—and I agree with what Art said a little while ago. You know, it is a very significant happening in this investigation, in this process. But let‘s see if anybody cracks or anybody talks. And of course, that would be the big break that everybody has been waiting for. But we still have to wait and see. Of course, I don‘t know all the ins and outs of the investigation, at this point in time.COSBY: Well, let‘s hope somebody does break. Thank you very much, Benvinda. We appreciate you being with us.DE SOUSA: You‘re very welcome.COSBY: Thank you.And we want to turn now to Dave and Robin Holloway, Natalee‘s father and also stepmother. They us now right now on the phone tonight from Mississippi. Dave, let me start with you. You know, I know you got a call from the FBI this morning. What‘d they tell you?DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE‘S FATHER: Well, they indicated to me that re-arrests had been made early this morning and advised me that the Kalpoe brothers had been re-arrested and another (INAUDIBLE) had also been arrested in connection with this case.COSBY: And Dave, how did you feel? What was your reaction? I bet you were just thrilled.DAVE HOLLOWAY: Well, yes. We were facing (INAUDIBLE) and a possible release, although I was hopeful that Joran‘s detention would continue, along with the information developed from the (INAUDIBLE) that had come forward, along with possibly three other people. I was hopeful that Joran would remain behind bars, but this adds to it.The prosecution is—you know, they‘ve been beaten down by the nine defense lawyers, and I think the arrests today and the evidence they‘ve gotten today, it‘s my understanding that they‘re real upbeat about it and confident moving forward. And that makes...COSBY: That‘s what I wanted to ask you, Dave. Is that the mood? You know, because you can get a pretty good read from these guys. They seem to be taking this very seriously, and there seems to be a sense of confidence, right?DAVE HOLLOWAY: Exactly. I think the defense team is on their heels right now, and the prosecution feels good about the case. So I feel like we‘re getting ready to move forward on this. We‘ve got the Dutch interrogators here, and I think we‘re going to get down to some business now.COSBY: Are you getting a sense, Dave, that they need someone to crack or that they have something physical, something tangible that may be enough in and of itself?DAVE HOLLOWAY: I think they‘ve got some tangible evidence. It‘s obvious to me that they don‘t want to make the same mistake that was made early on, arrest someone and then turn around and then allow them to go free. It‘s my understanding that the prosecutor was so confident about the information that she bypassed those first 10 days of normal detention, and the court ruled that we could already go into the pretrial stages, where additional DNA and other evidence could be obtained.COSBY: Yes, it sounds like they were able to kind be a little more aggressive in their search because they‘ve moved up that timeframe. Dave, have you gotten any indication what this evidence is, if it‘s related to photos, if it‘s related to testimony from this young girl who says that Joran raped her? Are you getting sort of an inkling or at least some suggestion?DAVE HOLLOWAY: Well, I wouldn‘t be speculative about anything. They have—from my understanding, they had enough information to make some arrests, and the prosecution is not going to provide any details regarding what evidence they have at this point in time.COSBY: Do you have a sense if it‘s testimony or physical evidence though, Dave?DAVE HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, I‘m not real sure, Rita. I just do know that they want to be careful about when they re-arrest someone, that they have sufficient evidence to do so. You know, the Kalpoe brothers were in custody for the first time, and then they were—a judge allowed them to go free. You‘re not going to make the same mistake twice. So I think the defense is up on their heels and the prosecution feels like that they‘re on the right track now.COSBY: Oh, it sounds like it. And Dave, I understand Robin‘s also with you, your beautiful wife. Robin, what does this...ROBIN HOLLOWAY, NATALEE‘S STEPMOTHER: Hi, Rita.COSBY: ... mean to you and your family? How are you, Robin?ROBIN HOLLOWAY: Oh...COSBY: You and I talked this morning.ROBIN HOLLOWAY: Yes, that‘s...COSBY: You must be so thrilled.ROBIN HOLLOWAY: I was—I was happy this morning. I mean, just other than bringing Natalee home alive, I mean, this is some of the best news we could have heard. And you know, we‘ve known from day one that the Kalpoe brothers should have been brought back in, and we‘re just—I mean, it‘s nice to know that they‘ve really, really been working hard and just hope and pray that they‘ve got enough evidence to hold them and keep them and get our answers. And that‘s all we want, is our answers on Natalee. So just—but we‘re thrilled to hear that today.COSBY: And Robin, are you getting the same sense that Dave is, that there‘s a confidence this time, that there is sort of something substantive? That‘s the read I‘m getting.ROBIN HOLLOWAY: I just really don‘t think they would have brought them in and arrested them again unless they had really good evidence and reason to. So yes, we do feel confident about that, so...COSBY: You know, everyone is looking at that September 4 sort of deadline for Joran, whether to be released or not. Are you optimistic that this is going to put a little pressure and obviously maybe keep him behind bars a lot longer?ROBIN HOLLOWAY: Oh, we‘ve been worried about September 4, and I do feel better about that date coming up, that they will keep him at least for 30 more days and hopefully bring some charges against him. So we—yes, we do feel better about that, so—we‘ve been dreading that day, so I do feel better about it now, after today.COSBY: Well, both of you, thank you so much. It was great to talk with you. And please keep us posted. Nice to have some good news from both of you, for a change.DAVE HOLLOWAY: Thank you.ROBIN HOLLOWAY: Thank you, Rita.COSBY: Thank you, both of you, very much.And still ahead, everybody, we‘ll tell you how interrogators get to the truth when three suspects have different stories about what happened to Natalee Holloway. And that‘s not all we‘ve got. We‘ve got a lot ahead tonight, especially with these big developments out of Aruba.Coming up: Natalee‘s mother has been pointing the finger at the Kalpoe brothers all along.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)TWITTY: We felt early on, as early as May 31, that these boys should have been arrested.(END VIDEO CLIP)COSBY: So what is so big now that the police decided to act?Plus, accusations of premeditated murder. Does that mean the three boys actually planned Natalee‘s death?And three fishermen who went to sea with Olivia Newton-John‘s boyfriend have some surprising new details about the day he vanished. You‘ll only see it here.And a California housewife tells me she stabbed her husband to death in self-defense. Does her own son believe it? He‘ll join me LIVE AND DIRECT.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)TWITTY: ... just to continue, continue our search for the truth in Aruba, and I just feel like when I take a step out of Aruba and come back to Birmingham, it clears my mind and gives me more strength and determination to go back and to find the answers.(END VIDEO CLIP)COSBY: And that was Natalee Holloway‘s mother today, talking about those big developments out of Aruba, the Kalpoe brothers re-arrested. Investigators say they have new evidence connecting them to the rape and what they are saying was the, quote, “premeditated murder” of Natalee Holloway.And joining me now is former prosecutor Wendy Murphy, also defense attorney Jayne Weintraub.JAYNE WEINTRAUB, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Hi, Rita.COSBY: And on the phone is private detective Vito Colucci.Wendy, I got to start with you because I think the verbiage is key here, “ Premeditated murder,” saying that there was, what, some planning? What do you believe happened, Wendy, sort of reading into this?WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, I mean, this is, no question, a very big development because there are six billion people are on the planet, only three know what happened. Maybe four now, with this new witness, but three people know exactly what happened. And you can‘t get at the truth unless you can squeeze at least one of them to tell on the others. And the Kalpoes, without being under arrest, were never going to do that. So now that they‘re not only re-arrested but facing the highest charge possible, the pressure is huge! They are going to be squeezed!(CROSSTALK)WEINTRAUB: Wendy, the pressure was on Aruba to re-arrest them and the pressure was on them to make up a case. That‘s what the pressure‘s on. When you squeeze...MURPHY: Make it up?WEINTRAUB: ... somebody over and over...COSBY: But now, Jayne, do you believe...(CROSSTALK)COSBY: Do you believe these are made-up charges, or do you think that they actually have something substantive to go to this degree?WEINTRAUB: I really don‘t think it‘s something substantive. I think that they think it may be, but I really don‘t believe it is because I think that there‘s still no eyewitness, no weapon. There‘s no murder. There‘s no body.MURPHY: You don‘t know that, Jayne!WEINTRAUB: There is no evidence...MURPHY: Jayne, you don‘t know that!COSBY: Although, Jayne -- (INAUDIBLE) let me—let me interrupt you because, Jayne, if you just heard from Dave Holloway, he got the impression, and I believe he probably even knows more than he‘s saying—he got the impression that there‘s something sort of physical to hold onto, not just testimony. So maybe there‘s photos. Maybe there‘s something out there, Jayne. If there is, then this could be a bombshell.WEINTRAUB: If there are photos out there, Rita, don‘t you think, with all the criticism—even the prime minister is out there admitting he made mistakes. The police were awful. The investigation goes kaput. Don‘t you think if there were photos out there, we would have seen them or heard about them?(CROSSTALK)COSBY: You guys, let me bring in Vito because Vito‘s on the phone. Vito, is it possible that something, some development comes forward, maybe some new person we hadn‘t heard from before, who says, Look, I can prove that he wasn‘t at the bar when he said he was. I have something that breaks the alibi. Someone finally breaks their silence?VITO COLUCCI, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well, I really hope so, Rita. The only trouble is, we‘ve been disappointed so many times on this case over 90 days, you know? And not only that, you know, they—where‘s the interrogation skills that are going to happen now? This is a very important part. These people have never had a case like this. I want to be an optimist on this. I really do, for the sake of the family and everything. But you know, I got to take a wait-and-see attitude on this. I really do, Rita.WEINTRAUB: Rita, may I just say...COSBY: Yes, go ahead...(CROSSTALK)WEINTRAUB: ... about the interrogation? You know, it brings up the point that Wendy was making earlier about squeezing somebody. That‘s the problem here. We get what‘s called false confessions. These boys have been interrogated hour after hour, day after day...MURPHY: Jayne—Jayne...WEINTRAUB: ... they‘ll say anything.MURPHY: ... they got 19 lawyers! I don‘t think...COSBY: But Wendy...MURPHY: And Daddy‘s a judge.COSBY: Exactly. And...MURPHY: There‘s not going to be a false confession.COSBY: Wendy, how else are you going to get people to talk? I mean, you got to have some leverage over them, right, Wendy?MURPHY: Absolutely! There‘s nothing wrong with squeezing people to talk. And this is the point.COLUCCI: Rita...MURPHY: They‘re under arrest for the highest possible charge!COLUCCI: Hey, Rita?MURPHY: Now, maybe they didn‘t kill her...COSBY: Let me get Vito on...MURPHY: ... maybe they were only...COSBY: Let me get Vito in, you guys.MURPHY: ... accessories, but those...COSBY: He‘s on the phone. Vito...(CROSSTALK)COLUCCI: Rita, don‘t forget, we‘re missing one important factor here. No plea bargains in Aruba, OK? You can squeeze them as much as you want, but you can‘t cut any deals with them. No plea bargains.COSBY: So Vito, how do you get something out of them? I‘m glad you brought that up because I was going to bring that up to you. How do you get them, then? Where‘s the leverage, if you can‘t, you know, bargain them out?COLUCCI: Well, you do whatever you can. You have to still try to play them against each other, Rita. The only problem is, I‘m wondering if they know how to do that. Before this case, the biggest crime on that island were thefts from tourists‘ hotel rooms. So this is not just something you pull out a playbook and you‘re able to do. I...MURPHY: Rita, that‘s not entirely true. Under Dutch law, they can actually ultimately charge one of the Kalpoes with a lesser crime. It‘s not quite a plea bargain, but it is possible, under Dutch law, even though it hasn‘t been done in Aruba.Look, the biggest problem is here, 19 lawyers with muzzles, saying to these guys, Just do nothing, stay silent. You will win at the end. Maybe there‘ll be a trial and they‘ll win. This might be what the lawyers are saying now.COSBY: I have a question, Wendy...(CROSSTALK)MURPHY: ... Deepak blames Joran, Joran blames Deepak. Once you do this cross finger-pointing dance at the trial, they all might walk!COSBY: Wendy, is that where you expect it to head? Do you think it‘s going to go to trial, or do you think...MURPHY: Absolutely!COSBY: ... we‘ll see somebody crack?MURPHY: Absolutely! And I think we‘re seeing the defense strategy play itself out now. Why the defense attorneys are now going on the tubes, saying, Well, you know, Deepak said Joran did it. Or you know...(CROSSTALK)COSBY: Yes, you‘re seeing a lot of finger-pointing. Jayne, go ahead.(CROSSTALK)COSBY: Jayne—let me get Jayne in...(CROSSTALK)WEINTRAUB: ... case, Wendy! You know that. Except it won‘t matter because in Aruba, they don‘t have a jury. They‘re going to try it to the judge.MURPHY: But the point is, the judge is going to say, I know all three were involved, but I can‘t figure out beyond a reasonable doubt which one actually killed her. And that...(CROSSTALK)MURPHY: ... all of them to walk. It‘s why the JonBenet Ramsey parents are both free, because you can‘t try the father, he‘ll blame the mother. You can‘t try the mother, she‘ll—so they both walk. It‘s a strategy defense attorneys like you...COSBY: Let me—you guys...MURPHY: ... Jayne, use all the time!COSBY: Wendy—Wendy, I got to interrupt you. Let me bring in Vito. Vito, where do you see this heading?COLUCCI: I still think they‘re going to walk, Rita. I hate to say it. Unless I see something else. I know everybody‘s enthused about what‘s happened today. It‘s a start. But I don‘t know. I still don‘t feel something in me—I still don‘t feel good about it yet. I really don‘t, Rita. I still think these guys are going to walk. I don‘t trust any of those people in Aruba. I hate to say. it. I do not trust that whole system there.COSBY: Jayne, your final thoughts, Jayne.WEINTRAUB: There‘s no evidence of a murder that we‘ve heard about. All we know is there was a tragic, apparently, a death after a night of drinking and dancing at Carlos and Charlie‘s, and we don‘t know how or where or who did anything to this young lady.COSBY: Well, we may get some more answers in the coming days. Guys, thanks very much, everybody.WEINTRAUB: Thank you.COSBY: Thank you.And still ahead, we‘re going inside the Holloway investigation, how detectives learned what the Kalpoes were up to without them even knowing it.And then to another big mystery. You‘ll be shocked by the story of two fishermen. They are going to tell you about what they saw the day that Olivia Newton-John‘s boyfriend vanished. They were on that same boat.And also, new clues about a missing model. We‘ve got details about the last time anyone saw Julie Popovich. That‘s all ahead on LIVE AND DIRECT.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)COSBY: And if you‘re just joining us now, we have more on the stunning developments out of Aruba tonight. New evidence has put the Kalpoe brothers back behind bars and back at the center of the Natalee Holloway investigation.We‘re joined now by Chris Whitcomb, who is a former FBI agent. He‘s also the author, and his latest novel is entitled “White.” Chris, great to talk with you. I know I talked with you before I even joined the network, so it‘s nice to have you on.What do you think is the break in this case?CHRIS WHITCOMB, FORMER FBI AGENT: Hi, Rita. Look, any time they get someone in jail, it gives investigators an opportunity to interview them. You hear the term “interrogate” all the time, but this is more familial. Anything that they can get in terms of pressure, I think, will help enormously. There‘s been precious little physical evidence in this case. Anything that they can try to get out of them, in terms of getting closer to a confession, is going to help enormously.COSBY: Do you believe that there is something sort of physical, something to hold only here, Chris? The sense we got from Dave Holloway, Natalee‘s father, was that he thinks there‘s something here, it‘s not just testimony, it‘s not just hypothetical.WHITCOMB: I think there has to be, Rita. Look, they can easily put someone in jail, hold them for a number of different reasons, if they just want to get them off the street, and they could have in this case. When they come out with charges this dramatic, I think that they have to back them up. This is a highly—a high-profile case. It‘s an international case. And they have to understand that everyone is going to look at the re-arrest of these brothers as a big turning point in the investigation. I don‘t think they would have been as forceful in the charges and as forceful in what they‘ve said unless they had something to back it up.COSBY: No, I agree. The other question, too, Chris, these two guys, the two brothers who were out, rearrested again. Give us a sense—I mean, the FBI and also the Aruban authorities in particular don‘t just sit back and let them, you know, knit a sweater in the last few weeks when they‘ve been out. What have they been doing? WHITCOMB: They‘ve been watching them constantly. There‘s no doubt about that. COSBY: Surveillance, right? What types of things? WHITCOMB: Certainly surveillance. And I think it‘s probably been overt. I think that they—in an island this small, it‘s very difficult to hide. There were a lot of—there were investigators, there were reporters, and there were people just trying to get on with their lives. It‘s very difficult to fit in and do any kind of covert surveillance. So I think it‘s probably been out in the open. But they want to find out what these guys have been doing. They‘ve been under a great deal of pressure. And I think it‘s very simple under pressure to make mistakes. That may be a part of the tact in this thing. They may have released these brothers thinking they could watch them and that they would have come up with something. We don‘t know what this evidence is. It‘s entirely possible it‘s something they did while they were out, after they were released from their former arrest.COSBY: Are you surprised, Chris, I mean, none of these guys really seems like the brightest cog. I mean, they‘ve obviously had the father, Joran‘s father, who can give some good guidance, at least to him. They certainly are lawyered up at this point.But initially, authorities did not get them to crack, if, indeed, they are involved. Do you believe, if this happened in the U.S., things would have been absolutely different? WHITCOMB: It would have been absolutely different, Rita. There‘s no question about that. And I don‘t mean to really place any blame on the Aruban authorities. It‘s a question of expertise. You have a small island state that has very little crime. They have almost no experience in this sort of matter. And I think, if they had called in the FBI—which is truly international. Now, earlier on, they may have gotten the expertise they needed. In the United States, you have forensic or ability to deal with forensic evidence, but you have something that we haven‘t seen here, which is the ability to interview these people early, these brothers, and get information from them. I think that was really—may have been the biggest problem in this investigation to date, is that they did not interview them appropriately. COSBY: All right, Chris. Thank you very much. And, everybody, stay tuned. We‘re going to be following this story, of course, any developments. Also, I‘m headed to Aruba. And I will be there live on Monday night. So we‘re going to bring you a lot of new details when we hit the ground and hit the ground running, everybody. Thank you.



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DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Coming up, two suspects in Natalee Holloway‘s disappearance arrested today. The prosecutor says there are—quote—“ new facts and circumstances.” (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) ABRAMS (voice-over): It was exactly what Natalee‘s mother had been demanding. The re-arrest of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe on suspicion of rape and murder. What is the new information and why exactly was another friend of suspect Joran van der Sloot arrested as well? Plus, we‘ve got an inside look at the fishing boat that may be the last place Olivia Newton-John‘s boyfriend was seen before he disappeared. The program about justice starts now. (END VIDEOTAPE) ABRAMS: Hi everyone. First up on the docket tonight, breaking news out of Aruba. What could be the break prosecutors have been waiting for in the Natalee Holloway case. Authorities say they have new reason to arrest Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, the two brothers considered suspects in the case, but released almost two months ago. They are now back in custody, taken in by police this morning on suspicion of rape and murder.
Police also arrested another man; a friend and neighbor of lead suspect Joran van der Sloot, Freddie Aaron Batiz (ph). They say it‘s related to another case. That‘s what they say. Prosecutors say all of this is based on new information. Here‘s the quote from them. “In the early morning hours of Friday, the 26th of August, 2005, police once more arrested the brothers, Satish Kalpoe and Deepak Kalpoe. They are in custody based on the same suspicions as before. They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody. Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on. To arrest S.K. and D.K. again, there had to be new facts and circumstances. That is the case.”I‘ve got a lot of questions about what that means and joining me now from Aruba to help answer those questions, an attorney for Natalee‘s family, Helen Lejuez, and Aruban attorney Ricardo Yarzagaray. Thank you both very much for coming on the program. We appreciate it. RICARDO YARZAGARAY, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Thank you. ABRAMS: All right. Helen, first let me start with you. I assume that this is exactly what Beth Twitty had long wanted. How did you explain this to her when you told her—when the news was announced? HELEN LEJUEZ, ATTORNEY FOR HOLLOWAY TWITTY FAMILY: Well I informed them of what has happened today and whom has been arrested and why. And you mentioned it very correctly. Whatever you said, that was very correct. You mentioned it all. ABRAMS: Well what I really don‘t understand, though, Ricardo is this alternately. It says at one point, they‘re under arrest for suspicion of murder, alternately for taking away her liberty, more alternately for rape. I mean this is the exact words in English that the prosecutor‘s office gave to us. What does all that mean? YARZAGARAY: Yes, there‘s (UNINTELLIGIBLE) possibilities when charging someone that if you start from the top, you can take man one, man two, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) homicide. You know you can take maltreatment with a consequence of death. You can (UNINTELLIGIBLE) sexual assault, sexual assault with a consequence of death. So basically, I think they‘re trying to go for the sure shot, go for the lesser charge and see whatever it is they can get their hands on and prove it. You really have—they really need to prove something and it seems that they have some new information, which has led them to re-arrest the Kalpoe brothers and even another suspect. ABRAMS: Does this mean, though, that they don‘t know exactly what happened? Does it mean that they‘re still at that point where they‘re saying, look, we‘re convinced they were involved but we don‘t know if it was murder, we don‘t know if it was rape, we don‘t know. YARZAGARAY: Well, the public opinion is that the brothers and Joran van der Sloot were involved in the murder of Natalee Holloway. That‘s the presumption. But in a legal matter, to prove it, it‘s a whole different thing. So what you‘re going to do is you‘re going to get evidence so that can you charge them. What they are doing now is trying to get the maximum extension to hold the maximum amount of suspects for the maximum allowable time to give the prosecution enough time, space and possibilities...ABRAMS: All right.YARZAGARAY: ... to investigate correctly. ABRAMS: All right. Ms. Lejuez, does this mean now that they get a new clock in effect, meaning when they arrested the Kalpoe brothers initially, a clock began, there were rules, there were obligations on the prosecutors to prove certain things in a certain amount of time. With this re-arrest, do they get a whole new clock to start again? LEJUEZ: Yes, for all four of them. ABRAMS: For all four—well why for Joran as well? I mean just because they have new information, I mean wouldn‘t they have to take that to a judge and they would still have to prove more, for example, than they had to prove last time? LEJUEZ: No, because they added rape to it and that gives you a new timeline again. ABRAMS: So they did add the rape charge, right? I mean that is something new. And did that add that with regard to Joran van der Sloot as well? LEJUEZ: Yes, they added for three of them and the fourth one is on another case. Yes. ABRAMS: OK. I‘m sorry. My producer‘s telling me they have not added it for Joran, so we‘ve got to be careful on this. Helen, are you sure? Because my production team is telling me that they did not add a rape charge with regard to Joran. LEJUEZ: That information I have, so maybe not. We still don‘t have the full information. They are not giving the full information, they‘re not giving the information even on the other suspect, but we have had words already, yes. ABRAMS: Finally, Ricardo, on this other suspect, they say it‘s unrelated. He happens to be a friend of Joran‘s and of the Kalpoe brothers. Do you believe that it‘s completely unrelated to this case? YARZAGARAY: Well, I think it‘s a legal chess game what they‘re playing. They‘re trying to divide and conquer somehow and trying to let them make statements against each other. Try to shuffle the cards, put different charges on different people, see who‘s going to crack, who‘s going to tell something about the other one. ABRAMS: Yes, that‘s what I think.YARZAGARAY: That sort of thing. ABRAMS: Yes. All right. Helen and Ricardo are going to stick around with us. When MSNBC—when NBC‘s Michelle Kosinski spoke with Satish Kalpoe‘s attorney, David Kock, on Monday, he certainly gave her the impression the authorities had nothing. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE‘S ATTORNEY: On the other hand, as you know, there is one person who has kept changing his story and I think, too, that that is one of the reasons why that person is still detained. But none of the case has progressed at their to solutions or that we know more things than we did not know on May the 31st or the 30th. So in that aspect, the case really hasn‘t moved forward. And I don‘t see a change coming really in that very soon. (END VIDEO CLIP) ABRAMS: Well it seems he was wrong about that, although we should be clear. No one‘s been charged in this case. These people have been arrested. Joran van der Sloot hasn‘t been charged in this case. The Kalpoe brothers haven‘t been charged. They‘ve been arrested on suspicion of the particular crime. Joining me now from Aruba is Michelle Kosinski who did that interview. All right. So Michelle, it sure sounded at the beginning of this week like David Kock, the attorney for Satish Kalpoe, was pretty confident they weren‘t going to have anything new. MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: He was confident. In fact, up until today, that‘s what he‘s been saying. That there just is so little in this case. Other parties in this case have said the same thing, although, keep in mind, defense attorneys have been very worried and some of them challenged it in court to get more access to prosecutor‘s files. Those were Joran van der Sloot‘s attorneys. Because they felt that prosecutors had something that they were withholding. And we‘ve heard that they wanted transcripts, things like cell phone records, but they basically had a feeling that there was some new information and now prosecutors spelled it out. They do have new information. They do have new suspicions. Where that‘s coming from, we don‘t exactly know because prosecutors won‘t comment on those details. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) KOCK: If there‘s evidence against my client, there‘s none at all. I mean the only thing that really happened in this case was that in the beginning, my client together with his brother and the other suspect told a story that was not true, of course. And you can try to second-guess the reasons maybe for that, et cetera, but shortly after they were detained, they changed that and he in any case—at any case, has stick to that continuously. And what I‘ve indicated in the past is that you cannot be interrogated day after day after day and keep telling very elaborate stories that in details match.(END VIDEO CLIP) KOSINSKI: So that‘s what he‘s saying. That he felt that his client did one thing wrong and that was basically not telling the right story in the beginning. But his attorney claims that he did that at the prodding of Joran van der Sloot. That‘s the claim there.Now Joran‘s attorneys won‘t comment on anything like that. But he said basically he told the story to try to help his friend and that‘s all he did wrong. But prosecutors now are saying something much different. Both of these brothers are now accused of doing the same things and those accusations are very, very strong. The strongest language we have heard yet from prosecutors.ABRAMS: Did you get a chance, Michelle, to speak to David Kock today since the arrest?KOSINSKI: Yes, I did talk to him briefly. And he told me a couple of things. He said at first that you know early on when these arrests happened, the defense attorneys were very angry and they said they were given absolutely no detail. In the beginning they didn‘t know why their clients were being arrested.They had heard at first that this was unrelated to the Natalee Holloway case. Later in the day prosecutors spelled it out that it absolutely was connected to her disappearance. But they had been hearing things about other allegations out there and even after prosecutors spelled out this was connected to Natalee Holloway, his attorney still said that he feels that the arrests are based in part, he believes, on other allegations possibly involving photos and young girls. He wouldn‘t say where that information came from.But keep in mind we have three arrests today. Two of them are connected to Natalee Holloway, according to prosecutors. And the third, the friend and neighbor of Joran van der Sloot, is not connected to the Holloway case. And we know that there is new information against the Kalpoe brothers that prosecutors have. So somehow these three are connected, yet separate, so what ties them together and what separates them? That will be the question and those will be the details that we‘ll be...ABRAMS: Did it sound like the lawyer was conceding that there are some photos out there with regard to young girls that are somehow connected to all this or not connected, but that exist? KOSINSKI: He said he knows that there are allegations out there. ABRAMS: Allegations...KOSINSKI: As to whether those photos exist, yes, and we couldn‘t get to the point as to—and in fact, the conversation had to end because of phone reception. So we never got in touch again to get more detail about that. But we found that interesting. That he felt that these arrests were based possibly in part on other allegations and that‘s consistent with what we heard from other attorneys too connected with this case in the beginning. They were saying...ABRAMS: Yes.KOSINSKI: ... that there were these other allegations out there. They thought it was not connected to Natalee Holloway...ABRAMS: Right.KOSINSKI: ... but now we know...(CROSSTALK) KOSINSKI: ... at least with the Kalpoe brothers, it is. ABRAMS: And we‘ve been hearing for weeks now, about allegations of other women or at least one woman who was going to claim that Joran van der Sloot drugged her, according to “Diario” newspaper, raped her. That person still, as far as we know, has not come forward but that didn‘t have to do with the Kalpoe brothers, which makes this all even more intriguing. Michelle Kosinski, thanks, as always appreciate it. Coming up, we get reaction to all this news from Natalee‘s father, Dave. And prosecutors expected back in court next week to decide what they want to do with Joran van der Sloot. At least what the court is going to do with him. Do today‘s arrests mean no way he‘s getting out? A lot of people said he might. Plus, we go inside the fishing boat called “Freedom”, the last place Olivia Newton-John‘s boyfriend was apparently seen before he disappeared. Your e-mails, that‘s the address. Later in the program when I read the e-mails, I‘m going to be defending Michelle Kosinski. A lot of people have some things to say about her scoop. I‘ll be defending her.(COMMERCIAL BREAK) ABRAMS: We are back with more on this big news out of Aruba that those two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, long suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have been taken into custody by the authorities. Prosecutors saying they are once again holding onto the brothers on suspicion of murder and rape. We‘ve learned that police have arrested a third person today along with the Kalpoes. Freddie Aaron Batiz (ph), a neighbor of Joran van der Sloot‘s, also taken into custody. Prosecutors say it‘s in connection with another case. All of us are shaking our heads wondering boy that would be one heck of a coincidence. Joining me now from Aruba with more on today‘s arrest is “Diario” newspaper managing editor, Jossy Mansur, who seems to know all in this case. All right, Jossy, good to see you. What do you know about this other guy that‘s been arrested? JOSSY MANSUR, “DIARIO” MANAGING EDITOR: The guy has been arrested on the suspicion and the charge of selling photos of young naked girls. ABRAMS: Selling photos of young naked girls. All right. MANSUR: That‘s correct. ABRAMS: Does that charge have anything to do with this case that you know of? MANSUR: That I know of, no. But this third suspect that was arrested today was questioned in the beginning related to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case, yes. ABRAMS: How close is he to Joran and does he know the Kalpoe brothers? MANSUR: You know, I see him in very many photos with Joran and other friends of that same group. In other words, I call them the party boys; those that go out and prey on young, unsuspecting girls or overage girls also. He‘s very close to them. ABRAMS: Now, do you know is the allegation that Joran or either the Kalpoe brothers are in any of these pictures that he‘s being charged with selling? MANSUR: No, no, that I have no knowledge of. ABRAMS: Do you have any more information on why the Kalpoe brothers were arrested today? What new information the prosecutors had? MANSUR: Well from what I understand is that in the beginning—from the beginning and the questioning, the interrogations that took place in the beginning, now that the police have gone back to square one to review the whole case once again and that they‘re going for a lesser charge in this case. They do have admitted confessions of these three with regards to sexual assault. ABRAMS: But then why would—I mean why would they have just arrested them now? I mean if that‘s the case, then they would have been able to keep them a long time ago. MANSUR: No, because it‘s up to the judge. The judge made the decision that he didn‘t see any additional evidence presented so he let them go. ABRAMS: Wait a sec...MANSUR: Not the police or...ABRAMS: But Jossy, if they have confessions of these guys confessing to sexual assault, the judge wouldn‘t let them go, would he? MANSUR: You know, I don‘t know about that. I‘ve seen many strange cases take place in courts in Aruba. ABRAMS: Really? MANSUR: Yes. ABRAMS: All right. Anything else about this other guy that‘s been arrested? MANSUR: No. That‘s all the information that‘s been put out so far. Even in the official statement by the prosecution with regards to these detentions today, they don‘t mention his name. ABRAMS: All right, Jossy Mansur, once again thank you very much. We appreciate it. And...MANSUR: You‘re welcome.ABRAMS: ... we should—you know we should point out that that is, you know, it‘s unconfirmed, this part about any confessions, et cetera. I find it hard to believe that the Kalpoe brothers confessed to anything and that they were released. I mean Aruban court or not Aruban court, weird things happening, not weird things happening, I find it hard to believe. But it sounds like the prosecutors have something new, something new today.Joining me now by phone is Natalee Holloway‘s father. Dave Holloway joins us once again. Dave thanks for coming back on the show. We appreciate it. So this is what you and Beth had been asking for, for a long time now. DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER (via phone): Very much so, Dan. My understanding is the Kalpoe brothers were charged with premeditated murder and rape. The prosecutor apparently had enough evidence to move them pass the normal detention on to the pretrial detention, which allows them to possibly take DNA and do other things that they would not otherwise do, based on the first 10 days of arrest. So they‘re in detention for eight more days. ABRAMS: You‘ve been told that the Kalpoe brothers are in detention for eight more days until they have to go to a court? HOLLOWAY: Correct. ABRAMS: OK. How did you find out about the news? HOLLOWAY: The FBI person that‘s assigned to us called me early this morning, prior to me leaving work and indicated that the Kalpoe brothers and another individual had just been arrested and wanted to make me aware of the situation. He did not know if the charges or any specific details. I learned those later on through speaking with our family attorney. ABRAMS: Dave, aren‘t you getting the sense that the arrest of their friend is somehow connected to this case? I mean they‘re saying it‘s separate but the notion that somehow a close friend of Joran‘s is being arrested on the same day as the Kalpoe brothers and the notion that that‘s entirely coincidental is a little hard to believe. HOLLOWAY: I understand he‘s a neighbor of Joran‘s and they are very close friends. I‘m not going to speculate or anything like that, but I would venture to say that it‘s probably related. But it may not be. ABRAMS: Right. How are you feeling today? HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, we were looking at the September 4 deadline and getting prepared for it of a possible release, but hopeful that detention would continue for another 30 days. We were expecting something to happen and it finally did. And I‘m feeling a lot better that maybe we‘ll get to the bottom of this case after all. ABRAMS: Dave Holloway, as always, thank you for taking the time. We appreciate it.HOLLOWAY: Thank you, Dan. ABRAMS: All right. Joining me now, MSNBC analyst, former FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt, who met with Deepak Kalpoe last week in Aruba, former prosecutor, Susan Filan, criminal defense attorney Mickey Sherman, and Aruban attorney Ricardo Yarzagaray joins us once again.Ricardo, real quick, let me just ask something about what Dave just said about eight days. Is that your understanding? That the Kalpoe brothers—they haven‘t been charged. Joran hasn‘t been charged. Is your understanding that the Kalpoe brothers can now be held for just eight days before the prosecutors got to hand over to a court what they have? YARZAGARAY: Well, first of all, the word charge has a lot to do with semantics. Formally charged, you might want to translate that into the summon before the trial hearing, in which the prosecution lays out exactly what they‘re going to try you for. Looking at the eight-day period, it might appear that the Kalpoes fell back into the time clock where they left off and maybe concurrently, a new time clock has started, so it‘s difficult to say. ABRAMS: What do you make of the arrest of this other guy, this friend?YARZAGARAY: Yes, I agree with you that it‘s more than coincidental I think. And if you talk about separate charge, one of the separate charges that are also in play here, other than maybe selling photos, is mind you disposing of a body, which is a separate crime, and if this person is a friend of Joran van der Sloot, I think that the prosecution in the back of their mind, want to crack him to see if he had something to do with the disposal of the body... ABRAMS: Do you know that...YARZAGARAY: ... that way starting a bottom down, going up investigation.ABRAMS: Do you know that? That that‘s the charge here or are you just speculating maybe? YARZAGARAY: No, this is...ABRAMS: OK.YARZAGARAY: ... there‘s many presumptions... ABRAMS: Got it. Got it. All right. Clint, real quick, you spoke with Deepak last week. CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Yes.ABRAMS: Do you think he was surprised to getting arrested again today? VAN ZANDT: No, I don‘t think so. When I talked to him, you know, I said is this going to end on September 4? And he said oh, no. Number one, Beth is not going to let it end. And he says there‘s an ongoing investigation. He says you don‘t see it, but he said this investigation is still ongoing. This was someone, when I talked to him, Dan, he was concerned about his future. He was concerned about the investigation and it looks like he may have had reason to be concerned. ABRAMS: You know, Mickey, this is all odd though. I mean it‘s odd in the sense that the Kalpoe brothers had been arrested. A court released them saying you don‘t have enough evidence to hold them. They say that they‘ve now got new evidence. You know you‘re hearing different people. Jossy saying well you know they confessed. I can‘t believe that they confessed and that a judge let them go. MICKEY SHERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: There‘s no way that they confessed. If they confessed, they would be arrested whether it was Aruba or Red China. You know it is odd because it‘s so strange to us here in this country. You know I think we‘ve become spoiled and maybe perhaps we now appreciate our system a little more. And not that their system is so horrible, but it‘s like musical chairs. They keep arresting people not on probable cause but on suspicion, but then again they‘re not arresting them. They‘re just detaining them. But they‘re not detaining them. They‘re now charging them. It‘s impossible to figure out.ABRAMS: I‘ve got to go to Susan Filan, but Ricardo, real quick, is it possible that they confessed as Jossy says and that the court still released them?YARZAGARAY: Yes, thank you for the chance to try to explain that. Remember (UNINTELLIGIBLE), the judge—the investigative judge, he established probable cause and he said that the investigation was on track. One or two stages after that, the Kalpoes were let go, were released. Basically, you know the discussion was if it was consensual or it was a rape charge, if you want to call it like that. You know, that being said, if you look at the difference between a witness and a suspect, you have to remember in different charges, if you‘re a suspect or a witness, remember, a witness does not have the right to remain silent. They might use a person as a witness against the suspect and that person may not say I have the right to remain silent. So you have concurrent situations here. ABRAMS: So you think it‘s possible they‘ve actually gotten a—almost effectively a forced statement from the Kalpoe brothers where they fessed up? YARZAGARAY: Well, they made different statements that, you know they flip-flopped from the beginning...ABRAMS: But flip-flopping is one thing...(CROSSTALK) ABRAMS: Right. But flip-flopping is one thing. Confessing is something else. YARZAGARAY: Excuse me. Can you repeat the question...ABRAMS: I was saying that flip-flopping is one thing, but confessing is something very different. YARZAGARAY: Yes, I would have to have read the statements myself to say if it was or if it was not a confession. As far as I know, there was a little fooling around in the car. As far as I know, they admitted to that. I don‘t know if all three of them confessed or stated that they did...ABRAMS: All right...YARZAGARAY: ... assault or sexually assault Natalee. ABRAMS: All right. Susan Filan, we‘re coming back to you in this—right after this break. I‘m sorry. Everyone‘s sticking around. Hi, Susan. Be right back.Coming up, do today‘s arrests mean there is no way that Joran is getting out when prosecutors go to court next week?And our continuing series, “Manhunt: Sex Offenders on the Loose”, our effort to find missing sex offenders before they strike. We are finishing this week‘s search in Alaska. We‘ve been getting a lot of feedback on this week. Please help authorities locate Kirk Featherstone, convicted of sexually abusing a minor in ‘84. Featherstone is 50, 6‘5”, 225, hasn‘t registered with the authorities.If you‘ve got any information about where he is, please call the Alaska Department of Public Safety, 907-269-0396.Be right back.(COMMERCIAL BREAK) ABRAMS: Coming up, our continuing coverage of the two suspects, back behind bars in connection with Natalee Holloway‘s disappearance and the third suspect, Joran van der Sloot, expected back in court next week. Does this all mean he‘s not getting out? First the news. (NEWS BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: Jug and I and several other family members, we felt early on, as early as May 31, that these boys should have been arrested then on that day and like Jug said, we spoke with our attorney and FBI this morning and just really encouraged by this news and just—we just want to wait though until we get further updates from them before we come forward with any more information on it. (END VIDEO CLIP) ABRAMS: That‘s Beth Holloway Twitty reacting to the news that Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, those two brothers who had been rearrested early on in this investigation have been re-arrested now in connection with Natalee‘s disappearance on suspicion of murder and rape. Susan Filan, do you think that Beth Holloway Twitty‘s pressure, her repeatedly calling for them to be rearrested may have had some effect here? SUSAN FILAN, MSNBC LEGAL ANALYST: I think it may have, Dan and I also think shows like yours that have been so diligent in bringing this to the public‘s attention has put pressure on the government. What I think is so interesting here is a rape charge without a body, which leads me to believe there are statements of some sort that would have to be the evidence that the prosecution would be looking to introduce against these boys. ABRAMS: What do you make, Susan, of this friend who‘s been arrested too? We heard Jossy saying it‘s for selling pictures of young girls. FILAN: Well, there‘s been some kind of speculation and surely, that‘s all it is at this time, that somehow, her disappearance had something to do with luring into—her into some kind of a pornographic event that may have gone terribly wrong and resulted in her sexual assault and her—sadly, her death. So maybe there is some connection, but I find it difficult to believe that he‘s simply selling pictures alone and not in some way...ABRAMS: Yes.FILAN: ... connected to this case. ABRAMS: Clint, what do you make of that?VAN ZANDT: Yes, I do too, Dan. This is, you know, it looks like we‘ve got three different parties now. We‘ve got Satish and his brother who have kind of welded at the hip. They haven‘t given up. We‘ve got van der Sloot who hasn‘t given up, but now we‘ve got this third player. We‘ve got Freddie, whose name I heard when I was down in country last week. If you get a new player, you‘ve got someone else to start to interview, to start to use his statements against the brothers, use his statement against van der Sloot, you know whatever role he may or may not have in this. It‘s someone else who‘s entered into the equation to help you break down the existing statements of the other suspects. ABRAMS: And look, Mickey, while we said before that it‘s very unlikely that the Kalpoe brothers simply confessed before they were released. It is possible, is it not, that they have made statements about sexual contact with Natalee that has—quote—“evolved over time” and as a result, that they just keep getting themselves into more trouble. SHERMAN: Yes, but it‘s not likely they would have admitted or said or indicated that they participated in some kind of a sexual assault. I would assume that if they talked in a sexual manner, it did not include them having committed a crime. That‘s why it‘s odd that they are now back in custody if they allegedly made these statements a while back. You know...ABRAMS: Maybe they didn‘t...(CROSSTALK) ABRAMS: Maybe as Ricardo points out, maybe they have made some of these statements since and maybe they‘ve agreed to be re-interviewed, et cetera, by the authorities. SHERMAN: I don‘t know. But they‘ve lawyered up and...ABRAMS: Yes.SHERMAN: ... they seem to, you know, to put up a big Chinese wall. But the only thing that bothers me is they just—it seems that they‘re just locking people up to sweat them and hope that somebody will rat somebody else out. And don‘t get me wrong, whoever committed this crime should suffer, you know, totally. But it just seems that the system is designed maybe to create something that‘s less than justice. ABRAMS: Clint, do we know if the Kalpoe brothers have been speaking to the authorities? VAN ZANDT: To my knowledge, they have not. You know, Dan, once everybody got lawyered up down there, they quit talking. But you know the interesting thing is Freddie now—there‘s a period of time, as you well know, before you have to or before you can have counsel. So they‘ve got Freddie and perhaps the Kalpoe brothers all over again, where they can talk to without the presence of counsel. I agree with Mickey. I mean sometimes you see law enforcement agencies, they just try to use pressure...ABRAMS: Yes.VAN ZANDT: ... instead of investigative techniques...ABRAMS: All right.VAN ZANDT: ... to go out and find the evidence. ABRAMS: Ricardo...(CROSSTALK) ABRAMS: Ricardo, you work down there. Do you think that‘s what they‘re doing? YARZAGARAY: Excuse me? (CROSSTALK) YARZAGARAY: Yes, well maybe. Who knows? I do think that the prosecution should give more information. On the other hand, if they do give information they shouldn‘t have maybe, you know, it‘ll jeopardize the case. Imagine if the Kalpoe brothers were followed in the meanwhile that they were set free. I don‘t know. Those are questions and among those, even more questions that the prosecution is going to have to answer and I do think that the prosecution should have been more forthcoming with the information, especially in regards to the family. ABRAMS: Susan yes or no. You don‘t expect Joran van der Sloot to be released, do you, next week? FILAN: I do not...(CROSSTALK) FILAN: ... and I don‘t expect the prosecution to be more forthcoming. That would jeopardize an ongoing investigation. ABRAMS: Yes.FILAN: They‘ve got their hands full as it is, little forensic evidence. They‘re doing just right. ABRAMS: Clint, Susan, Mickey, Ricardo, thank you all, I really appreciate it. VAN ZANDT: Thank you, Dan.


8-27-05
On 8-27 “YouTube” Identity “Debziedo” provided the following video entitled “Natalee's Wall of Hope & Prayer” accompanied by "Natalee's Song"

If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?

On 8-27 JUG TWITTY stated, “I think the other thing they need to do is bring Paulus back in. Paulus has the other answers. This man is the problem as to what has happened so far. He needs to be a man, and needs to come in. He knows his son made a mistake. He should have admitted it early on. He shouldn't have lied to me that night. The people of Aruba should be mad at Paulus. The Aruban people should go to him and ask him for the answers because he has them.”
On 8-27 SOUSA said about Current Murder Suspect F. ZEDAN, “It is my understanding, that strategically he is a very important suspect in the Kalpoes and Joran's case.”
On 8-27 SOUSA read the prosecutors statement about the suspicions against Current Murder Suspect F. ZEDAN:
“Intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor. Intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious. Sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years”
On 8-27 HELEN LeJUEZ said about the girl who has filed rape charges against Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , “She is a minor, so I won’t say anything about her. She has been involved in whatever the young man ( Current Murder Suspect F. ZEDAN) is being accused of right now sexual harassment… assault, whatever you want to call it. She is not the only one, the news we are getting right now is there are sex films and they have been selling them. I think it is a little bigger than even we expect as far as information I am getting right now.”
On 8-27 the “AP” reported, “Police said the brothers were questioned for several hours Saturday but declined to provide further information.”
On 8-27 ARUBAAN's news-source "Amigoe.com" reported, “Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has taken legal proceedings against Jossy Mansur, chief Editor of Diario and the morning paper itself. Oduber demands rectification of two comments about Oduber that Mansur had published in the Diario last week. Oduber is of the opinion that the newspaper had dragged him too much through the mire. Mansur made statements that portrait Oduber as the most corrupt prime minister that Aruba ever had. The case comes up in court this coming Monday at 15:00.”
On 8-27 JOSSY MANSUR was checked into a hospital after experiencing chest pains.
On 8-27 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police

8-28-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?

On 8-28 CBS News reported:

Divers Search Aruba Coast For Teen
ORANJESTAD, Aruba, Aug. 28, 2005
(CBS/AP) Volunteer divers explored waters off Aruba's east coast Sunday, hoping to find clues in the disappearance of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway. At least eight divers volunteered to search waters about one mile from a beach near the Holiday Inn where Holloway stayed during a vacation to celebrate her high school graduation, said Eduardo Mansur, co-founder of the Aruba Search and Rescue Foundation. Although the waters have been searched before, the group claims a radar machine invented by an American has detected human bones in the area. The inventor, Joe Walker, came to Aruba to help in the search but is currently off the island, Mansur said. Extensive searches have produced no trace of Holloway. The mother of a missing Alabama teenager said Saturday she believes "we are going to get answers" after two brothers previously detained in her daughter's disappearance were taken back into custody. Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were arrested Friday on suspicion of involvement in premeditated murder and rape of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, Aruba's prosecutor's office said. The arrest was based on new evidence, the office said, without elaborating. "The strongest thing I felt was that we are going to get answers," Beth Holloway Twitty told The Associated Press by telephone from her home in Birmingham, Ala. Holloway Twitty called the arrests of Satish, 18, and Deepak, 21, a vindication for the teen's family, which was angered by a judge's decision in July to release the brothers for lack of evidence. The brothers were first arrested on June 9 along with van der Sloot, 18, whom authorities have identified as a suspect in the case though no charges have been filed. Elgin Zeppenveldt, a lawyer for Satish Kalpoe, said they would appeal the detention. Holloway Twitty said she was at home this weekend to visit her 16-year-old son and would return to Aruba next week. Meanwhile, CBS News Correspondent Kelly Cobiella reports that in Holloway's hometown of Mountain Brook, Ala., people haven't given up hope that she will be found. On Thursday night, 1,000 people attended an auction to raise money for the family. Over 200 items were donated by celebrities for the auction that was the idea of Courtney Cox, who graduated from the same high school as Holloway, Cobiella reports. Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen leaving a bar with the Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot in the early hours of May 30. Extensive searches of the island have produced no sign of the teen who was last seen in public leaving a bar with van der Sloot and two other young local men.



On 8-28 FRED GOLBA left ARUBA.
On 8-28 EDUARDO MANSUR stated 8 volunteer divers explored waters off Aruba’s west coast about one mile from a beach near the “Holiday Inn.” Nothing was found.
On 8-28, when asked about the re-arrests of the Murder Suspect KALPOE’s, BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated the “AP,” “The strongest thing I felt was that we are going to get answers.”
On 8-28 BETH and JUG TWITTY returned to ARUBA to continue the search to find their daughter. (on 8-29 JUG TWITTY stated they met with ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN on 8-28 in a “long meeting.” JUG TWITTY also said, “And I feel like that there were -- that the Police do have a lot of things working right now, and, you know, I feel that they’re really digging into this case.”)
On September 27, 2005 when JUG TWITTY was asked about DAVE HOLLOWAY’s 9-16 meeting with ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN, JUG TWITTY stated to FOX News, “I don’t think anything really came out of it, Greta. I was disappointed. You know, the last time I asked Beth today, I said, you know, Have you talked to Karin Janssen? When’s the last time you talked to her? And honestly, the last time that she’s talked to Karin Janssen was August the 28th. And what’s today, the 27th of September? I mean, that’s almost a month ago, and that was when I was with Beth down there. We flew back down to have a meeting with Karin. And it was such a heated conversation that after we left the meeting, she cut my information off. You know, I had a person that was a liaison between the Police and us, a personal friend, and before I could even get back to the hotel room, she had already called and cut it off.” When asked why was it heated on August 28, JUG TWITTY stated, “Because I think I was asking questions that she didn’t know that I knew about, things that she wouldn’t tell me and I was confronting her with, you know, things like the blood in the car. If you’ll remember, way early on in the investigation, even the prime minister came and said, Yes, they found blood in the car. The F.B.I. said they found blood in the car. She says they didn’t. She says they — I know for a fact that they cut parts out of the seat, cut parts out of the ceiling of Deepak’s car, and they sent them wherever to get tested. And she said no. Initially, the F.B.I. said there was blood all over the car, but then they (the ARUBAN Police via DUTCH forensics institute) came back and said now it’s cleaning fluid. And I went ballistic in the meeting. And you know, there are a lot of other things that I went ballistic on because she’s so vague on everything that she tells you. You know, here’s a perfect example, when she hasn’t communicated with Beth in a month. So another... No, I mean just things like, you know, one of the things when I left down there last time, we have another attorney, Helen, and Helen asked that three of the people that were with Beth and I that night we first arrived on the island, the F.B.I. took their statements when they came back to the United States, but obviously, the Aruban Police really didn’t use their statements because I believe that the people there the first night, like myself, could give you answers as to what Joran said, what his dad said, what happened, all this kind of stuff. So my attorney asked that we come back to the United States, take these three people, go to a federal judge, have them sworn in, and we have a federal judge here that was kind enough to help us bring these three friends in that were there that night and take their sworn statements. And of course, my attorney in Birmingham is calling down there, asking Karin Janssen, What exactly do you want? She won’t even return his phone calls. I mean, it’s pitiful. It’s horrible.” “No. She talked about the issues as far as Natalee, you know, having problems with her family with Beth and I or with her father, or whatever. Of course, all this stuff was talked about way early on in the investigation. She talked about $1 million life insurance policy on Natalee, which is just crazy. She talked about my brother being in the banking business, being in money laundering. And I mean, I just don’t know where this stuff’s coming from, Greta. It’s like she’s not even trying to find out the answers, she’s trying to find out everything, you know, that could be wrong, as far as our family goes. You know, it drives me crazy.” “I can’t tell you that because I haven’t talked to Dave. You know, I’ve talked to Beth. I’ve seen some e-mails that Beth has sent me back that Dave’s e-mailed back and forth to them down there. But it’s frustrating. You know me, Greta. I mean, you’ve been to my house. You probably know me better than any of the people that I’ve talked to, you know, in the media, and I’m a high-strung person. I’ve kind of tried to stay back lately because, you know, first of all, I have a lot of friends that were affected by Katrina and our business was affected by that, so I’ve kind of stayed back and let Beth do this. But you know, I have a real problem with the prosecutor. Either she’s hiding something down there, or she doesn’t have any backbone.” “I don’t know. I really don’t. I mean, I cannot understand why she can’t communicate with the family, I can’t understand why, you know, she doesn’t take and go back to the beginning and talk to the people that know the answers. There’s a lot of people there that first night. You know, why they didn’t take my statement until 33 days after? Why she will not admit — and this was one of the things we got in a heated conversation abut, in my meeting with her on August the 28 — why she will not admit she made a mistake in not arresting those boys the night after we brought them to them on a silver platter and let them go for nine days. Her deal was, We’re going to let them go. We’re going to try to, you know, be like catching a mouse in a trap. We’re going to track them. They got nothing. I mean, you know, they were going to tape their phones. They were going to do this. They were going to — they got nothing.” “Yes, she basically tells me, you know, this is the same thing as van der Sloot. ‘You know, you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, we're going to quit.’ And you know, I said, ‘Well, that’s a great attitude to have.’”
On November 9, 2005 JUG TWITTY stated to FOX News that one time when he met with ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN that ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN told him to quit criticizing the investigation, and if JUG TWITTY did not quit, the ARUBAN Police would quit investigating.
On 8-28 ZEPPENVELDT said, "They haven't shown us any evidence." When asked if that is normal, he responded, "No, it is not normal. Only in Aruba is it normal."
On 8-28 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police

8-29-05
On 8-29 ART WOOD stated to Court TV that BETH has seen statements from the prosecutors office that NATALEE was being sexually assaulted while she slipped in and out of consciousness. ART WOOD also said that NATALEE’s Loved Ones have known for a long time that the ARUBAN Police have statements from the 3 Prime Murder Suspect s, and that they know where NATALEE is located.
On 8-25 LUIS ANTONIO RAMIREZ, the stepfather of Current Murder Suspects DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE , purchased the “Cyberzone Internet Café” where Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE is employed.
Following is a portion of the public data for the “Cyberzone Internet Cafe”
RAMIREZ, LUIS ANTONIO Residence: HOOIBERG 91-B, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA Born in ARUBA on 2 MAY 1960 Nationality: DUTCH Position: OWNER Effective: 29 AUGUST 2005 Authority: FULL REPPAS, ANGELINA; Residence: RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA Born in THE NETHERLANDS, NIJMEGEN on 23 APRIL 1976 Nationality: DUTCH Position: PROXY Effective: 29 AUGUST 2005 Authority: FULL Before RAMIREZ became the owner, the “Cyberzone Internet Cafe” was owned by REPPAS and another man.
On 8-29 FOX News reported that Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE were moved by authorities from jail to the ARUBA “K.I.A.” prison over the weekend.
On 8-29 CLAIRE FIERMAN told the University of Alabama newspaper, “The Crimson White,” “It took two flights to get the Mountain Brook graduates back to the United States from Aruba, Fierman said, and she was on the first. No one knew Holloway was missing at the time of the flights when Fierman said a friend told her Holloway wasn't on her way home.”
On 8-29 CNN reported that JOSSY MANSUR is being sued by ARUBA Prime Minister ODUBER for defamation of character.
On 8-29 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to CNN, “on June 2nd I reviewed the video footage of the people coming into the "Holiday Inn," and Natalee Holloway -- Natalee never entered the Holiday Inn.”
On 8-29 JUG TWITTY stated to CNN, “…what should have happened in this thing is Paul van der Sloot should have been a man, he should have stepped forward in the beginning. He should have talked to Joran that night. They should have admitted that something went wrong out there, which I know he knows that happened. And if he would have come forward and said Joran did this, it’s a terrible mistake, it’s an accident, he’s still underage, he’s a minor, even if they killed Natalee he probably would have gotten off with about five years. Paul could have held -- kept his job, and we could have gone on with our lives, you know, or whatever. But this guy, Paul van der Sloot is so thick in this thing it’s unbelievable. And you know, my mission is to keep pressure for them to keep asking questions of Paul because he knows more than he’s saying.” … “I asked the question yesterday to the prosecutor. I said, when you went in and you searched the house, did you search Paul’s house? They said, no. I said, why? Because, he said, we couldn’t. He said, you could search Joran's apartment which is detached from the house. But any -- I don’t know. I’m really frustrated with that part of it.”
On 8-29 “A Current Affair” reported that they saw Current Murder Suspect "Steve" CROES coming out of the ARUBA Oranjestad Police station. When asked, he claimed he was just trying to get some personal belongings back from the ARUBAN Police, even though his mother had contacted “A Current Affair” personnel and said she had not seen him since the Murder Suspect KALPOE’s were re-arrested 8-26.
On 8-29 “A Current Affair” unnamed producer and cameraman happened to see Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT sitting stopped somewhere in his red Jeep so they quickly interviewed him. When he is asked how Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT is holding up, the ex-judge responded, “He has a difficult time.” When asked how he and his wife are doing, the ex-judge responded, “We have also a difficult time.”
On 8-29 CNNHN reported:

Who Is Fourth Man Behind Bars in Holloway Case?;
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, is there a break in the Natalee Holloway missing girl case after the stunning re-arrest of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe? The Kalpoe brothers suspected of the murder and rape of the 18-year-old beauty from Alabama. And who is the fourth suspect now behind bars?
But first to Aruba. Rape and murder suspects Satish and Deepak Kalpoe back in jail again where they belong. Tonight, the clock is ticking. Five days and counting before prime suspect judge's son Joran van der Sloot could walk free. Tonight in Aruba, Natalee's mother and stepfather Beth and Jug Twitty. In Jonesboro, Arkansas, Natalee's aunt, Linda Allison. In Denver, Colorado, defense attorney Lisa Wayne. In Seattle, defense attorney Anne Bremner. In New York, psychotherapist Dr. Robi Ludwig. But first, to "A Current Affair" correspondent Harris Faulkner. Harris, a lot happening. Bring us up to date. HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR" CORRESPONDENT: Yes, really a lot, Nancy. "A Current Affair" has learned the name of the third guy arrested on Friday along with the Kalpoe brothers. We knew his initials were FZA, we knew his name might be Freddy. Tonight we know it's Freddy Zedan Arambatzis. And I talked with this man's attorney actually.GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? Freddy what? (LAUGHTER)FAULKNER: Zedan Arambatzis. GRACE: OK.FAULKNER: ZA. So we were able to confirm that. "A Current Affair" talked with his attorney earlier today to see why he might have been picked up on the same day with the Kalpoe brothers. Because you remember on Friday, Nancy, really, all the way through the weekend, there was a lot of speculation on whether or not he had anything to even do with Natalee Holloway's case. I'll tell you the big connection. He's very good friends with Joran van der Sloot. In fact, "A Current Affair" has some exclusive photos of the two of them together. But meanwhile, his attorney is saying, however, that he was picked up on a different charge, a different case, not related to Natalee Holloway. We'll have to see how that plays out. That's thing number one. Thing number two, that party boat deejay, remember Steven Croes? GRACE: Yes.FAULKNER: Well, a camera crew spotted him coming out of the Police station today, thought maybe he'd been re-arrested. Apparently he told the camera crew, no, I just went to pick a few things up. However, "A Current Affair" got a call from his mother earlier today saying she was concerned that her son might have been re-arrested. So we're still working to see what the plan is there. I thought he'd been exonerated. "A Current Affair" was the only station to talk with him, the only network to talk with him when he got out of prison the first time he was arrested. He told me on camera, Harris, I've been exonerated, I have no reason to think I'll be a further suspect in this case. That was over a month ago. Back at the Police station, Nancy, we're not quite sure why. He says he's picking something up. His mom says she's worried. Third thing going on, the divers, what they found yesterday as they searched about a mile off the coast of Aruba. One of the volunteer searchers had said that he saw something with sonar that looked like it might be human bones. It turns out to be nothing. GRACE: Another disappointment. FAULKNER: Yes. GRACE: One of our producers caught up with Paul van der Sloot, the Aruban judge whose son is the chief suspect in Natalee's disappearance, and this is what he had to say. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: How's Joran holding up? PAUL VAN DER SLOOT, SON IS SUSPECT IN NATALEE'S CASE: He has a difficult time. UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And you and your wife, are you holding up all right? VAN DER SLOOT: We have also a difficult time. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Here. Have one. They're having a difficult time? Let's talk to Beth Twitty tonight, joining us is Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, her husband Jug. Thank you very much for being with us, Beth. So much happening. What do you think this means, the arrest of the Kalpoe brothers, and what do you have to tell us tonight -- Beth. BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: Well, Nancy, I would imagine that it means that they've gathered new evidence to warrant this re-arrest of the Kalpoe brothers. And there's no way you're going to convince me that Freddy's arrest is a coincidence. You know, I've seen his name surface throughout my documentation that I've been keeping since as early as June 15th, so. GRACE: So the FBI, or the Aruban authorities, one, gave you Freddy's name way back at the very beginning? HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: His name has been mentioned in my documentation on at least three occasions. So I don't know what the connection is other than it happens to be one of Joran's closest friends, and I think lived behind him. But other than that I don't know. GRACE: Well, Jug, what do you think about the theory that he may be a suspect -- I mean, excuse me, a witness in this case? That either Joran van der Sloot, one of the Kalpoe brothers, told him something or he observed something around the night Natalee went missing? GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, NATALEE'S STEPFATHER: I don't know, Nancy. I mean, if you're Joran's best friend, I'm sure they've talked some, especially during the days that they -- between the 30th and the 10th, or whenever they arrested him. So I'm sure he talked to him about it. I don't care what the case is, I don't care what they have him in there for. I'm glad that they have him in there and hopefully it will help us find Natalee. GRACE: Jug, it was my understanding that for them to make this additional arrest, there had to be new evidence. What's the new evidence? What do they know now they didn't know back in June? TWITTY: I don't know. They don't share all that with us. I mean, that's part of the investigation. My mission coming down here was to get a meeting with the prosecutor, which Beth and I had yesterday, and we had a long meeting with the prosecutor. And I feel like that there were -- that the Police do have a lot of things working right now, and, you know, I feel that they're really digging into this case. GRACE: Well, another update regarding someone you all know very well by now, the managing director of Diario newspaper, Jossy Mansur. Take a listen to this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING DIRECTOR, DIARIO: What I understand from the sources that we have at the newspaper, the Police went back to square one. They know they have a tough case to prove at this point on murder first degree or whatever. Then they went back, they went to square one, they reviewed everything that was on the table, and then they decided that with the evidence they already have that is based on the admissions that all three of them made to the Police during those days of interrogation, that they have a sufficiently strong case to re-arrest them and take them to court on charges of sexual assault. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Well, surprisingly, Harris, Jossy Mansur is allegedly being sued by the Aruban prime minister for defamation. Bye-bye, freedom of press. FAULKNER: Well, you know, Nancy, "A Current Affair" had learned a while ago that Mr. Oduber was having some challenges in the polls. He's got a re-election as prime minister coming up in late September. And so he's been riding hide over everything that's been published. Diario isn't the only newspaper on the island of Aruba, but it certainly is the most read, in our estimation. But he's watching very closely. His political future is at stake here. Jossy Mansur is very high-profile on the island. By the way, he's in the hospital tonight, we understand, with some sort of heart ailment. We've been following that as well to see what happens with him. We certainly wish him the best. But the contention in our estimation might be over the political career of Mr. Oduber and how he's been portrayed in the newspaper. You know, separate from the Natalee Holloway case, he is running a political campaign. With the Natalee Holloway case, her disappearance happened on his watch. You know, we didn't even see him start to really pressure the government to let the FBI in on this case until a few weeks ago. And from what I understood and reading in the polls, that was good timing for Mr. Oduber. GRACE: Yes. I saw that letter that he wrote, the prime minister, misspelling Natalee's name two times in one letter. Has anybody heard of spell-check in Aruba? So that's how you get re-elected there, you sue people that speak out against you for defamation? FAULKNER: Well, you know, I think it's just posturing.GRACE: If that were true, both Bill Clinton and George Bush would have thrown me in jail a long time ago. Go ahead. FAULKNER: It's just posturing, I think, at this point. You know, we can't possibly know every detail that's at the heart of this. This would be a long-running relationship. Both these men have been public figures a long time. GRACE: OK. Just give me the short end of the stick on this. When's the re-election? FAULKNER: I believe it's September 23rd. GRACE: OK. September 23rd. FAULKNER: Late September. But that date sticks in my mind. GRACE: All right. And Natalee went missing during this prime minister's watch, correct? FAULKNER: Absolutely. GRACE: And Jossy Mansur's newspaper has been reporting on it, correct? FAULKNER: Well, and pushing harder than anybody to get answers, I would say. GRACE: OK. You know what? I think I've got an accurate picture of what's going on. Back to Lisa Wayne, defense attorney. Lisa, unlike in America, I'm not sure in Aruba, can you bring a criminal case based on a defendant's confession alone? LISA WAYNE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The confession alone is not going to be good enough, Nancy. There's going to have to be something else. GRACE: Legally, is it not allowed in Aruba? WAYNE: It isn`t. They're going to need more than that. But what's happened and what appears is going on here is that you've got to remember down there in the initial phases the judge is actually the Investigator in this case. So a defense attorney cannot ask that anything be suppressed. The judge weighs all of it. The cops can beat confessions out of people down there. They can do whatever they need to do to end up getting what they want out of this case in terms of statements. And that can all be considered by the judge in this initial phase. So it's very different. They don't have Miranda. They don't have those limitations that we have in this country. But they're going to need more. GRACE: So bottom line, even if a confession is beaten out of somebody, there's no jury. A judge will hear it and give it the appropriate weight of whether a statement was made behind bars. Got you. Back to Beth Twitty, Natalee's mother and stepfather are with us tonight. Beth, from the very beginning you told me on HEADLINE NEWS air that you thought Joran van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were involved in Natalee's disappearance. Why have you thought that, been so sure from the very beginning? HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: Well, you know, the main thing is, Nancy, is Joran's admission on the night that we arrived on the island. First off. I mean, this is as early as 2:00 or 2:30 a.m. on the 31st, he's admitting these sexual acts that he committed against Natalee in the car with Deepak and Satish. I don't think it's been a secret from day one. GRACE: But why are you so convinced, because of their conflicting statements? HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: I mean, I'm not -- I mean, I'm convinced that early on he was already, you know, locking himself into this. I mean, nobody forced him to admit this to us. He just volunteered this information, came forward with a whole group of witnesses in front of two uniformed officers and DEA on the island. GRACE: Beth, what was his first story to you? What was the first story they told you? HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: The first story -- and you know, Nancy, I was not in the group when they were giving this information. Jug and the rest of the group that flew in with us were there. But he was stating that he had dropped Natalee off, and that he and Deepak and Satish had dropped her off at the "Holiday Inn," when she got out of the car she stumbled, fell, hit her head, got up, and two security guards met her there at the entrance. And you know, Deepak was standing right there. And we were even taken to the "Holiday Inn" and parked in front of the entrance to the "Holiday Inn" to show us that that's where they had dropped her off. I mean, it's right when you walk into the "Holiday Inn." And then as everyone knows, on June 2nd I reviewed the video footage of the people coming into the "Holiday Inn," and Natalee Holloway -- Natalee never entered the "Holiday Inn." GRACE: To Jug Twitty. Jug, do you think there's any way on God's green earth that these two brothers have remained silent while they were out from behind bars? TWITTY: That they've remained silent? GRACE: Yes. TWITTY: Well, I hope they haven't. I mean -- but you know, the way this whole investigation's going it seems that way. You know, what I wish, Nancy, is I wish what should have happened in this thing is Paul van der Sloot should have been a man, he should have stepped forward in the beginning. He should have talked to Joran that night. They should have admitted that something went wrong out there, which I know he knows that happened. And if he would have come forward and said Joran did this, it's a terrible mistake, it's an accident, he's still underage, he's a minor, even if they killed Natalee he probably would have gotten off with about five years. Paul could have held -- kept his job, and we could have gone on with our lives, you know, or whatever. But this guy, Paul van der Sloot is so thick in this thing it's unbelievable. And you know, my mission is to keep pressure for them to keep asking questions of Paul because he knows more than he's saying.GRACE: Well, you know, Jug, here's the other thing, if you give any credence whatsoever to not only the gardener that Jossy Mansur located who's given a sworn statement to Police and a judge or to the tipster, the jogger, both of them totally contradict Judge Paul van der Sloot's statement, both of his statements as to when he picked up his young son. So I don't understand. If the others get dragged in, why not Judge van der Sloot? TWITTY: Absolutely. I agree. I mean, I asked the question yesterday to the prosecutor. I said, when you went in and you searched the house, did you search Paul's house? They said, no. I said, why? Because, he said, we couldn't. He said, you could search Joran's apartment which is detached from the house. But any -- I don't know. I'm really frustrated with that part of it. GRACE: You know, absolutely. I don't understand it. That is not the case law in America. It is called the curtilage search. Curtilage. If you can search a home, you can search surrounding houses around it such as the garage, a tool shed, an apartment house, a pool house, completely in contradiction to U.S. law. Everybody, we'll all stay right here. We are live in Aruba tonight. But very quickly to hurricane tracking. Hurricane Katrina making her way across the Gulf Coast, plowing through New Orleans with torrential rain, fierce winds. Part of the Superdome's roof already peeled away with thousands taking shelter there. If you have fallen victim to Katrina, now a tropical storm, apply for disaster relief by contacting FEMA, Federal Emergency Management Agency, toll-free. 1-800-621-FEMA. Or click online fema.gov. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) GRACE: We are tracking Katrina, now a tropical storm, pounding the Gulf Coast. Today sweeping through Mississippi and Louisiana with winds over 100 miles an hour. Trees ripped apart like toothpicks, flooding, damage, common sight tonight in this tormented part of the country. If you need assistance, call the Red Cross. 1-800-HELP-NOW. Welcome back, everybody. We are live in Aruba and the latest in the case of Natalee Holloway. Her mother and stepfather are with us tonight. To Beth Twitty. Beth, where were you when you heard the Kalpoe brothers had been re-arrested? HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: Well, Nancy, I was so grateful but I was in Birmingham when I heard the news. I thought that was a great place for me to be when the news was handed down. And I had returned home just for a brief period of time. We had a silent auction, and also I have got a 16- year-old son Matt that I went to be with for just a few days. GRACE: Speaking of the silent auction, I want to go to Linda Allison, that is Natalee's aunt. What can you tell us about the silent auction? What was it for? Where does the money go? And what type of items were auctioned? LINDA ALLISON, NATALEE'S AUNT: Well, Nancy, the fund-raiser that was held was in Birmingham, Alabama. And it was just a phenomenal event. I was just overwhelmed by the generosity of everybody there and the community of Birmingham. We had silent auction items that ranged anywhere from sports memorabilia to celebrity and musical items. And Courteney Cox was behind this event and was able to contact some of the family there in Birmingham and told them that she would like to help with this fund-raiser. And it was just, again, a phenomenal event. GRACE: Where does the money go, Linda? (CROSSTALK)LINDA ALLISON: . by all the -- the money will go to help towards the expenses that we have in Aruba. A lot of attorney fees will be coming from that as well as other expenses just there being on the island, not only hotel expenses but just transportation to and from Aruba. GRACE: And not only that, the cost of the continuous searching for Natalee. We had EquuSearch down, we had another private group searching, Aruba Search and Rescue is a private group. It's not the government searching. Here in America our government helps search for missing people. They try to locate bodies. In Aruba, Natalee's family is shouldering a lot of the cost of the search for Natalee Holloway. We are live in Aruba. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) GRACE: As you know by now, Katrina pummeling the Gulf Coast, sweeping through New Orleans, pounding rain, fierce winds. Part of the Superdome's roof peeled away, thousands taking shelter there. If you have fallen victim to Katrina, tropical storm, apply for disaster relief, contacting FEMA, 1-800-621-FEMA, or online at fema.gov. Quickly to Robi Ludwig. It just seems to me the psychology here is almost like a good old boys' club. Yes, we can search Joran van der Sloot's apartment but not his dad's house. Why not? ROBI LUDWIG, PYSCHOTHERAPIST: Well, I wonder if there's some political power that Paul had that somehow stopped people from exploring his home. He was a very important person back in the day. So that could have frightened the investigation from really exploring all the various areas they should have explored. GRACE: To Anne Bremner, I've only got a couple of seconds before break. What about the search of Joran van der Sloot's apartment but not the family home? ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I know. But you know, this is Aruba. I keep thinking as I'm listening to this, Nancy, miles from nowhere, chasing shadows, twists and turns to nowhere in this investigation. And even with the re-arrest of the Kalpoe brothers, where are we now? I don't know if we're in any different position than we were months ago in this case. GRACE: Back to Harris Faulkner. Speaking of back at square one, what happens later in the week? Is Joran van der Sloot coming to court? Will the Kalpoes be in court? FAULKNER: Well, the Kalpoe brothers are expected to go back to court by the end of the week because they're on that eight-day timetable for having to go before the judge in that time. Of course, they were arrested on Friday, that would be eight days later. And I know we're running short on time, Nancy, but I do want to mention that Deepak told "A Current Affair" when we visited his Internet cafe a few weeks ago that he felt confident that he and his brother, Satish, would walk. They probably are pretty surprised to find themselves back in prison. By the way, they were moved from jail to prison, we understand, sometime over the weekend. They're now back at KIA Prison, the same place Joran is being housed. Deepak told "A Current Affair" that he thought that he might want to sue for the computers and other things that they had confiscated when they searched his home all those weeks ago the first time those young men were arrested. He really felt confident they would be walk. GRACE: OK, OK. Wait a minute. Jug Twitty, did you hear that? They want to sue over their computer? TWITTY: I mean, it's unbelievable, Nancy. I mean, you see it. America and the world sees it. GRACE: You know what? I need a shrink. I've got to go to a psychotherapist on this one. The sense of entitlement, I mean, these three have apparently given various statements regarding the rape and murder of this girl. And now they want to sue for money? LUDWIG: It's entitlement. It's sociopathy. They're feeling angry and maybe vengeful. And one gets this sense that there's like this evil fraternity going on, targeting foreigners who are leaving the next day, who knows what they can get away with. So they're not used to getting confronted. GRACE: Beth, final thought? HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: Nancy, that's a pretty heavy note to end it on, with Deepak's comment on that. And I think of all the things that they have put our family through and Natalee through and everyone that's supporting us through, it's just been horrific what we've been through. GRACE: Beth, Beth, we are rallying behind you. Don't stop fighting, friend. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)



On 8-29 CBS News reported:

Aruba Divers Find Nothing
PALM BEACH, Aruba, Aug. 29, 2005
(CBS) Divers who scoured the sea bottom Sunday about a mile off Aruba came up empty, as the search for Alabama teen Natalee Holloway continued, reports CBS News correspondent Kelly Cobiella. The undersea effort was prompted by a claim from a volunteer searcher that his radar had detected human bones, Cobiella says. On land, the probe of Holloway's disappearance some three months ago resulted in round two for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were questioned for several hours Saturday, and again on Sunday. Prosecutors claim they have new evidence against them, and arrested them on suspicion of rape and murder early Friday morning. They'd been held earlier in the investigation. One of their attorneys says he's seen nothing. "They haven't shown us any evidence," asserts Elgin Zeppenveldt, a lawyer for Satish. Asked if that's normal, he responded, "No, it is not normal. Only in Aruba is it normal." A fourth man also has entered the picture, Cobiella says. Freddy Zedan Arambatzis, a close friend of Joran van der Sloot's, was also arrested Friday. He calls himself "Locoman Pimp" on his Web page, and is a familiar face in pictures of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes. Van der Sloot had been the only suspect being detained in the case until the latest arrests of the Kalpoe brothers. However, prosecutors aren't saying whether Arambatzis is being held in connection with the Holloway investigation. Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, and stepfather, George "Jug" Twitty, heard about the arrests while at home in Birmingham, Ala. "Beth and I are very, very happy because that's what we wanted and, I mean, they have, they have some answers," he says. "And you know Jug and I and several other family members, we felt early on, as early as May 31, that these boys (the Kalpoes) should have, should have been arrested then on that day," she added. Meanwhile, the legal clock is ticking for van der Sloot, Cobiella says. He could be released as early as this week. Prosecutors have until Sunday to either charge him or persuade a judge to hold him for another 30 days.


On 8-29 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police.

8-30-05
On 8-30 the “AP” reported prosecutors said they have filed a motion to keep Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT detained another 30 days.
On 8-30 one of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s lawyers, RICHIE DAVID KOCK, told The “AP” that ARUBAN judicial authorities informed him a DUTCH judge would decide Wednesday (8-31) on the detention of his client in ARUBA.
On 8-30 CNN reported that Current Murder Suspect "Steve" CROES lied to them on 8-29. CNN reported that Current Murder Suspect "Steve" CROES was, in fact, questioned again by the ARUBAN Police, but has not, yet, been re-arrested.
On 8-30 the “AP” reported, “A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance. Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified ‘physical contact’ with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in ‘tempting poses’ and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said. Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.”
On 8-30 the “AP” reported, “The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case.”
On 8-30 LANE reported that JOSSY MANSUR’s health is much better, and he came into the ARUBAAN's news-source "Diario" newspaper offices today.
On 8-30 CNN reported that the bones found 8-15 washed up on a VENEZUELA beach have been tested, and are not human.
On 8-30 ARUBAAN's news-source "Amigoe.com" reported, "There are new charges in the Holloway-case against the two brothers. They are additionally being accused of an indecency offense in another case. “I do not know anything about new charges in the Holloway-case”, says Rudy Oomen, Deepak’s lawyer. He says that his client refuses to talk to the Police. “My client is so angry that he does not make any statement as long as they do not tell him the grounds of the accusations”
On 8-30 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police.
On 8-30 ANITA VAN DER SLOOT claimed of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT to CBS, "We want him to go on with his life." About NATALEE’s Loved Ones ANITA VAN DER SLOOT claimed, "I think what the family is doing is terrible. I don't think it's their right to do these things like this. I know they must be upset." "News should be based on facts, if not, it's a show … to damage people, to slander people. That is no news, no news at all." "Our prime…prior goal is to get Joran back. I just want my kid back. It has been enough. It really has been enough."
On 8-30 Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT claimed CBS, "We are not hiding anything. We are telling the whole truth, nothing but the truth. And we've always told Joran to tell the truth." "If Natalee is never found it will always, always hit our lives. Not only the lives of the Holloway's, but also our lives."
On 8-30 CNNHN reported:

Louisiana Governor Declares Martial Law; Will Joran van der Sloot Walk Free in September?
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, to Aruba: Rape and murder suspects Satish and Deepak Kalpoe behind bars, after days of questioning by Aruban authorities and counting down four days before prime suspect judge's son suspect Joran van der Sloot could walk free.
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GRACE: That's right. They're all back together again behind bars. Digs, not so nice, but it's time to be reunited. Right now, Satish, Deepak Kalpoe behind bars, questioning going on for days. We're talking about the Natalee Holloway disappearance. Big day tomorrow. Joran van der Sloot, the state's chief suspect, the judge's son, is to appear back in court. With me tonight from "A Current Affair," correspondent Harris Faulkner. Also with us, Giovani Lane, a reporter for "Diario." Paul Reynolds is with us, Natalee's uncle. Of course, Alan Ripka, Barry Sorrels, and Dr. Joseph Deltito. To Harris Faulkner, bring us up-to-date. HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR" CORRESPONDENT: Well, Nancy, first of all, you brought up Joran van der Sloot. Let's get started with what could possibly happen tomorrow. And that's that court appearance, where there's a possibility this week, at least, if not tomorrow, he could be charged. Let me tell you what prosecutors did today. They filed their motion to try to get his detention detained for 30 more days. The burden of proof at this point is higher. So what they're going to try to do is charge him -- and our sources on the island are telling "A Current Affair" -- that the charges will have something to do with sexual assault or violation of Natalee Holloway. Coming and going with Joran van der Sloot today, you know, he was not questioned. We were told by his attorney that interrogation set to begin again today. He wasn't questioned yesterday. He got a break. His attorney, though, is saying don't expect Joran to say very much during that interrogation. Why? But he's, quote, "going to exercise his right to remain silent." Well, you know, I don't know if that's such a bad thing, because he's had so many stories up until now, that maybe if he exercises his right to remain silent, they can stick to one story, Nancy, and we can see prosecutors go forward based on that. Also, a note on the Kalpoe brothers. Satish and Deepak Kalpoe going inside one of the jails today. They were spotted. And we had heard reports yesterday that their interrogation was supposed to begin in earnest again today. We can only assume that was happening. Also, Steve Croes, the party boat deejay -- I'm kind of giving you the jail coming and goings, because that's really where a lot of the action has been this week -- the party boat deejay, aboard "Tattoo". Remember, he was arrested early on.We told you last night that it looked like he had been arrested again, because he was spotted at jail. Although when he ran into a camera crew, Steve Croes said, "No, I'm just here to pick up a few things." Well, we confirmed today he was, in fact, being interrogated again, questioned again by Police, but not officially arrested -- Nancy? GRACE: To Giovani Lane -- she is a reporter with -- he is a reporter with "Diario" newspaper -- first of all, how's the health of our friend, Jossy Mansur? I think I've got Giovani. GIOVANI LANE, REPORTER, "DIARIO": Yes, hi, Nancy. Jossy came in today. He was looking OK. I asked him how he's doing. He said he's OK, and he's ready to keep on working. GRACE: Well, please give him our best. Jossy Mansur in the hospital and at the same time dealing with the fact that the Aruban prime minister has filed a defamation lawsuit against him. Giovani Lane, is it just coincidental that it's time for reelection for the Aruban prime minister, and Jossy Mansur has been reporting on this missing person's case that happened under his watch? LANE: Well, it seems every time an election is near, there are certain things going on, people are criticizing the government or criticizing other parties. And Jossy has seen that the government hasn't done the job that they said they were going to do. And he's accusing the prime minister of certain things that he had proof of long time ago and certain proof of now. And the prime minister, seeing his election, and "Diario" is the biggest newspaper on the island. Everybody reads "Diario."So if something bad is said about the prime minister, a lot of people are going to read it. And he's afraid that a lot of people might believe it and don't vote for him. GRACE: News tonight. The arm that washed ashore a Venezuelan coast line does not belong to Natalee Holloway. As a matter of fact, this arm is not a human bone. So, this is yet another wild goose chase that we have been led upon by authorities. Very quickly, to Paul Reynolds. Paul, Joran van der Sloot back in court tomorrow. What is the response of the family? And what do you expect, realistically expect to happen? PAUL REYNOLDS, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE: Well, first of all, we're very pleased that the Kalpoe brothers were re-arrested. You know, we think that they, along with Joran van der Sloot, certainly know what happened and are the key to the answers that we need. We, you know -- we expect him to stay in custody. We certainly think the evidence is there. You know, we're hopeful that will come forward very soon. And, you know, we're very happy with the process right now. The authorities are moving diligently towards this end. You know, we did have some problems in the beginning. There were some problems with the investigation. And, you know, we harped on the chief Investigator a great deal. But, you know, I know you mentioned the prime minister. You know, he's always been a strong supporter. And Jossy Mansur, both of those men have been strong supporters of this investigation. GRACE: Right. Very quickly to Alan Ripka, defense attorney. We know that the Kalpoe brothers are behind bars on suspicion of rape and premeditated murder. Alan, the significance, to me, of those suspicions are, one, felony murder. If a death occurs, even by accident, during the commission of a felony, rape, that is a murder, such as when a shooting occurs during a bank robbery. That is the same penalty as premeditated murder. Also, Alan, the suspicions are premeditated murder. And you know what that does, Alan? That completely shoots out of the water this theory that has been flourishing that, "Oh, maybe she had an accident. Maybe she fell and hit her head. Maybe they gave her drugs like ecstasy and she choked and died." These charges do away with any theory of accident, Alan. RIPKA: That's right, Nancy. But I'll tell you this: First of all, your felony murder rule is correct. And that goes for all three of these suspects, which makes it dangerous for all three of them. But as well, Nancy, that's a big leap to say that this is premeditated murder when at this time there's absolutely no evidence on anything. GRACE: Well, I'm just telling you what they were booked on suspicion of, and I'm quoting, "premeditated murder." I didn't just make that up on the way to the studio. This is what they are booked on, suspicion of, quote, "premeditated murder." Barry Sorrels, response? BARRY SORRELS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, suspicion is the key word. They've arrested these guys before on suspicion and said they had the evidence when they didn't. So I don't know why we should give these arrests any more credibility. I mean, Nancy, Aruba has due process of law. You can't lock somebody up and throw away the key that you suspect of having committed a crime. GRACE: Well, I'm not worried about that in Aruba, all right? SORRELS: The government has to -- they're going to have to put some evidence up. GRACE: They definitely did not throw away the key. The Kalpoe brother were over at the Internet cafe just one week ago, OK? SORRELS: Well, if they have the evidence, let's bring it and follow the law. The law says, if you have it, that he can be held, they can be charged, and the court can be prosecuted... GRACE: Well, my whole point is that...SORRELS: But if you don't have it, let them go. GRACE: ... you are dancing around is, they are booked on suspicion of rape and premeditated murder. Now, listen, these Aruban prosecutors are not exactly daredevils, OK? They're not going out on a limb. But these are the formal booking suspicions, premeditated murder. SORRELS: All I'm saying is, instead of suspicions, let's put forth some hard evidence that connects these kids to the crime. And if they've got it, that's great. Let's prosecute them.GRACE: I don't know why you keep saying "kids." They're 18 to 21. At 18 years old, my father was on a battleship, all right? I don't know what you mean by kid. SORRELS: I take my kid back. These young men. GRACE: To Dr. Joseph Deltito, professor of psychiatry, Doctor, once again, we hear they're stone-walling, exercising their right to remain silent. Doctor, do you have any glimmer of hope that this team of so- called expert, Dutch experts, are going to crack these three? JOSEPH DELTITO, PROFESSOR OF PSYCHIATRY: Well, I think they'll probably crack by the usual means. And that is, when they're actually charged of a specific crime, and a prosecution has begun, I believe that, at that point, the wall of silence will probably break and they'll point fingers at who actually did what when. I think they're sort of stone-walling now, but I would be very suspicious that once there actually (INAUDIBLE) charges, a prosecution going on, lawyers preparing to defend them. At that point, I think people who might not have been as culpable as others will point the finger at who did most mayhem in this case. GRACE: As we continue to track Hurricane Katrina, the destruction she left in her wake continues to mount. One hundred and counting killed by the hurricane. Their bodies are floating in the flood waters. Coast Guard rescued 1,200 other people stranded in the floods in the New Orleans area alone. Oil rigs also lost in the storm. The federal government may release crude from the petroleum reserve, called a national security asset if oil production is disrupted. Martial law declared tonight in some parishes of Louisiana, not the entire state. No martial law in Mississippi, but in Louisiana. There is help. If you need disaster relief, please call FEMA, 1-800- 621-FEMA. If you have been the victim of price gouging, 1-800-488-2770. Open your hearts and your wallet. If you would like to help with relief, call the Red Cross, 1-800-HELP-NOW.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)GRACE: CNN now reporting, just in, the crime situation becoming extremely dangerous in New Orleans. The National Guard is set to take over Canal Street, New Orleans, in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Martial law in effect in multiple parishes across Louisiana. Welcome back, everybody. We're also live tonight in Aruba. Let me quickly show you some video of Joran van der Sloot's parents this morning on CBS "Early Show." Do we have that, Elizabeth? (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT , FATHER OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT : I'm not hiding anything. We're telling the whole truth, nothing but the truth. And I spoke always to Joran to tell the truth. ANITA VAN DER SLOOT , MOTHER OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT : I think what the family is doing is terrible. I don't think it's their right to do things like this. But I know so there must be so upset. Our prior goal is to get Joran back. I just want my kid back. It has been enough. It really has been enough. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Again, that's from the CBS "Early Show." Back to Harris Faulkner with "A Current Affair," who, p.s., on "Current Affair" tonight, exclusive interview in the missing groom case with the Royal Caribbean. Now, that's a tough nut to crack. Congratulations on that one, Harris. FAULKNER: Well, thank you very much. GRACE: So, Harris, again, for those of viewers just joining us, tomorrow Joran van der Sloot in court. And what do we expect to happen? FAULKNER: Well, we could possibly see his detention carried on for another 30 days. That's what the motion that was filed by the prosecutors today is really pushing for. But, you know, I think the thing to look for this week is possibly a sexual assault or some sort of violation charge against Joran. Dr. Deltito was talking about the...(CROSSTALK) GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, violation charge? You mean something short of rape? FAULKNER: Yes, you know, I mean, some of the details that have come out -- and I don't know that we want to get quite that explicit -- but some of the detail that have come out about what might have happened between Joran van der Sloot and Natalee in the backseat of the car that were testified -- I shouldn't say testified -- but that were talked about in interrogations by both the Kalpoe brothers and Joran very early on in this case.You may remember Beth Twitty talking and saying, "Well, we knew things had happened." GRACE: So you're saying some type of a sex charge against Joran van der Sloot. What about murder? FAULKNER: Well, you know, we could see that, although sources on the island have told "A Current Affair" that what they might push for first, because they think they can get it best with the evidence that they have, is a sexual assault or some sort of sexual violation charge. I do want to say this. You saw the parents talking, Nancy. June 9th was when they arrested their son. I bet they're getting frustrated. GRACE: Well, yes. But, you know what? They get to visit their son. FAULKNER: Exactly. GRACE: Can you tell me the same thing about Beth Twitty? No. Harris Faulkner, everybody, reporting on Aruba. But remember tonight -- Harris, I'm going to be watching -- exclusive report with Royal Caribbean on the missing groom case. Hope you ask them the tough questions, Harris. Thank you, friend. FAULKNER: You bet I did.



8-31-05
A DUTCH judge heard arguments 8-31 on whether to prolong the detention of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT in the disappearance of NATALEE. Defense attorney CARLO said he urged the judge to release Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , arguing prosecutors have produced no evidence that his client was involved in NATALEE’s disappearance - or that a crime had been committed. CARLO said Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT cried during the closed hearing but answered all of the DUTCH judge’s questions. “Today was a tough session. He wants to go home,” CARLO said. “He feels he has not done anything wrong. He maintains his innocence.” CARLO said prosecutors introduced two allegations of a "sexual nature" against Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. He declined to provide details on the allegations, but insisted they were not new. “We don’t consider them new circumstances,” he said. “They have been in the file for about two months.” Prosecutors could not be reached for comment. Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE were each also questioned during Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s hearing, CARLO said. Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s parents tried to attend the hearing but were barred from entering because their son is an adult, CARLO said. A decision is expected by 9-3.
On 8-31 CNN reported of the nearly all day court hearing that during their court presentation to the DUTCH judge, the ARUBA prosecutors presented about 300 pages of evidence; key among them, statements from Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , as well as Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE that they, allegedly, had sex with NATALEE HOLLOWAY. ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN also entered into evidence the gardener witness statements. The prosecutors also introduced into evidence (that the defense attorneys claim is not new, and has been in the file for two months) that involves Current Murder Suspect F. ZEDAN who took some photographs of a 14-year- old girl, described as of a provocative nature, while Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT supposedly watched, as well as Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and a couple other young girls.
On 8-31 CARLO said of his client, Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT after the court hearing, “And, you know, he has been deprived of his freedom for almost three months. He misses his home, his parents. And he want to go home. So that this, I believe, you know, what broke him down a little bit.” CARLO has said that there’s no new evidence against Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE. Therefore, he should be released, like he was released last time. But then you have Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE's lawyer, who said that something Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE claimed has contradicted statements that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE have said. Since Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE's contradictory testimony occurred after Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had left the court hearing, Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was brought back to the court hearing to answer questions put to all 3 Prime Murder Suspect s by the DUTCH judge.
On 8-31 the “Vanderbilt Hustler” wrote, “‘I remember dancing with her for most of the time, and then an hour before (Carlos 'N Charlie's) closed, I didn’t see her again. She hadn’t planned on meeting (Van der Sloot), he just happened to be there,’ [Virginia] Page said. ‘We knew none of our friends would get up and go somewhere else, because there was nowhere else to be.’ ‘Cell phones didn’t work,’ Page said.”
On 8-31 the “Vanderbilt Hustler” wrote, “‘That night was more hectic than others was because it closed at 1 a.m. There was sort of a mass exodus out of the place - everyone left all at once.’ ‘You didn’t want to stand out on the side of the street, and we were all in one place getting in cabs,’ [Sara Emily] Allen said.”
On 8-31 the “Vanderbilt Hustler” wrote that BLUHM, “created a group on http://www.thefacebook.com/ entitled, ‘Hoping for Natalee.’ The description reads, ‘This group is for anyone who wishes for the safe return of Natalee Ann Holloway. She has been missing in Aruba since May 30, 2005.’ According to Bluhm, ‘The facebook club was started as a way for fellow Mountain Brook alums, and anyone else who cares, to band together and show support for (Natalee) and her family.’”
On 8-31 CNN reported that the new technique of the DUTCH interrogations specialists is to be nice to the Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE's and Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. Also Current Murder Suspect "Steve" CROES told CNN that, this time, when he was interviewed by the interrogators, they were, in his words, “much nicer than they were the last time.”
On 8-31 CNNHN reported:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Someone out there in Aruba knows something, and we're hopeful that they'll come forward and give us that clue that will, you know, break the leg on the table, so to speak. (END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are live in Aruba. And the latest in the Natalee Holloway missing girl case. Today, D-Day, Joran van der Sloot, the chief suspect in the case, a judge's son, back in court along with his running buddies, the Kalpoe brothers. Tonight from Aruba, "Diario" reporter Giovani lane. In West Tampa, Florida, Joe Episcopo. Also with us, CNN correspondent Susan Candiotti and Renee Rockwell joining us out of Atlanta, defense attorney. To Susan Candiotti, bring us up-to-date, Susan. SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Nancy, a busy day in court today. In fact, they were in there practically the entire day. And this day, Joran, along with the Kalpoe brothers, were questioned together by the judge. The judge trying to decide whether Joran can be held beyond that 120- day limit. The judge must decide by September the 4th whether the prosecutors have enough, quote, unquote, "new evidence" to keep him behind bars while the investigation continues. Now, during their presentation, prosecutors presented about 300 pages of evidence. Key among them, statements from Joran, as well as the Kalpoe brothers, that they allegedly had sex with Natalee Holloway. And they also entered into evidence that gardener's statement -- this is the man who said that he saw the three of them in a car parked by the pond the night that Natalee disappeared, but at a time that would call into question where they were when they said they were at that particular hour of the night. And then, Nancy, something else was introduced into evidence, that the defense attorneys claim is not new, has been in the file for two months, and they can't understand what this has to do with Natalee's disappearance. And I'm a little uncertain about that, as well. It involves another young man who law enforcement tells me has nothing to do with Natalee's disappearance, who took some photographs of a 14-year- old girl, described as of a provocative nature, while Joran supposedly watched, as well as Deepak and a couple other young girls. Again, I'm not clear what this has to do with the case directly. GRACE: OK, I think I may know. Susan, does this guy, this fourth suspect, does he live anywhere near Joran van der Sloot, or did they know each other before this? CANDIOTTI: He's described as Joran's best friend, according to the defense attorney. GRACE: OK, all right. I think I may have cracked the mystery. To Joe Episcopo, this guy, FEZ (ph), is charged with taking photos of a 14-year-old girl. Hello, she's got on a bikini. She's not nude, all right, although they're saying the photos are provocative. Clearly, he knows something about the case. So they arrest him on these photos and squeeze him to tell the truth? JOE EPISCOPO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Clearly, he knows something about the case because of that? I doubt it. GRACE: I'm asking you to divine why this guy is arrested and in the files is connected to this case. Let's put on our thinking cap. EPISCOPO: Yes. I'll tell you why. They're trumped-up charges because they can't prove the primary case. They're arresting people on suspicions because they can't plea bargain, they can't grant immunity. They're not going to solve this case they way they're doing it. GRACE: OK, that helps. Let's go to Renee Rockwell. Got a theory? RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, the only thing that I have is maybe Joran and the Kalpoe brothers have been involved with some other young girls, doing other things, and maybe they're just afraid that this guy's going to come forward and talk about it, trying to get himself or explain himself out of these pictures of these young girls. Only thing I can think of. GRACE: And, thereby, turn into a witness, not necessarily a suspect, in the Natalee Holloway case. Take a listen to this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT , FATHER OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT : He wants to go home. He feels he hasn't done anything wrong. He is maintaining his innocence. And, you know, he has been deprived of his freedom for almost three months. He misses his home, his parents. And he want to go home. So that this, I believe, you know, what broke him down a little bit. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Joran van der Sloot shed a tear, said he wants to go home? I sent this to his family last night. Now this one's for you, Joran van der Sloot. You're crying? What do you think Natalee's family has been through? Renee, not that it's the first time I've been burned in effigy at a courthouse before, but take a look at this. Got that video? There you go. Ouch! ROCKWELL: Nancy, is there any such thing as bad publicity? GRACE: Well, I don't know about that, but, you know, the truth hurts. And instead of holding up posters about me and CNN, you'd think they'd be trying to find Natalee Holloway and trying to find the truth of this case. ROCKWELL: Is this to me? GRACE: Yes. ROCKWELL: Nancy, let's talk about Aruba just a little bit. We know a couple of things. They don't have juries. They don't have the death penalty. Like Episcopo said, they don't have deals, no immunity. What you have a situation is where you're going to have a panel of judges looking at everything that's been gathered up. They can look at the fact that they've changed their story so many times. They can look at the fact that maybe he's going to plead silence right now and not explain it, but then compare other stories that he's contradicted himself. I know one thing, that Deepak's attorney has said that there's no new evidence against Deepak. Therefore, he should be released, like he was released last time. But then you have Satish's attorney, who said that something Satish said has contradicted statements that Joran and Deepak have said. So, therefore, they're all back in court trying to straighten the story out. Just doesn't look good. GRACE: To Giovani Lane with "Diario" newspaper. Giovani, she's right. There was another conflict in the three statements today between the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot. The judge brought them back in to ask them about it. Do we know what the conflict was, Giovani? GIOVANI LANE, "DIARIO" REPORTER: Well, the lawyers didn't say anything about it. Only thing I know is that Zeppenveldt, one of Joran's lawyers -- I mean Satish's lawyer, sorry -- he explained that the Police had probably forgotten that Joran must not have been taken away from the court. So, because at the last part of the case was that the three guys would have been confronted with each other. So, at first they were questioning them individually. And the last part of the whole day was going to be that all were going to be together in court. And the Police had to go back and get Joran and bring him back and his lawyers. That's why his lawyers came back. One thing Zeppenveldt said that was a little -- I noticed, he said that the girl from the picture had said that Satish was not there during this shoot, you know, was not on the picture, was not one of the guys. But he did not say if one of the other guys was mentioned by the girl. And that`s one thing we want to try to find out. GRACE: Quick break, everybody.



On 8-31 the BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA “Birmingham News” reported:

Holloway Auction: Celeb items raise funds for search
by JUDY HAISE, Social columnist for the Birmingham NewsThe "... for Natalee" charity auction was without the usual band and corporate sponsors, although a little pomp would have seemed natural, since Hollywood TV and movie stars Courteney Cox and her husband, David Arquette, asked what they could do to help six weeks ago. They thanked everyone for coming via a video shown at the auction.Mounds of tiny sandwiches with no crusts and other enticing hors d'oeuvres were scattered about, but there was little grazing Thursday night.Each of the nearly 500 invited guests wearing a tiny yellow ribbon seemed to have another agenda - to make a donation to the Natalee Holloway Trust Fund and give personal words of encouragement to the family of the Mountain Brook 18-year-old who went missing, May 30, on a graduation trip to Aruba.Natalee's stepfather, Jug Twitty, of Mountain Brook graciously shook hands with everyone in the main entrance of B&A Warehouse last Thursday night. Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway-Twitty, thinner than many remembered her, received guests inside the main room, stalwartly standing in the same spot for nearly three hours, just hugging and thanking everyone for their support.Beth was back home in Birmingham for just the second time during the two and a half months she's spent in Aruba searching for her daughter.Close by was a calming presence, Natalee's aunt Linda Allison from Arkansas. Across the sea of guitars, movie posters and DVDs signed by Hollywood stars was Jug's brother Jar Twitty of Mountain Brook, sharing his stories.Circulating was Jar's wife, the ubiquitous Marcia Twitty, who along with Sunny Tillman, Betsy Koepsel, Kim Matthews, Heather McWane and a host of friends spent just six weeks - not the usual six months - to plan the fund-raiser.Even so, more than $110,000 was raised by guests taking home sports memorabilia and fashion and celebrity autographed gifts. There were 34 designer fashions, including a Brian Cook fox boa and Dana Buchman fur jacket.There were twice as many sports items, including 12 Skybox tickets to the Alabama-Auburn Iron Bowl 2005, four tickets to the Masters, as well as a Boston Red Sox game in Fenway Park, autographed footballs and tennis rackets.The 94 celebrity-autographed items gathered by Courteney, a Mountain Brook High School graduate, and David, included photos, posters and guitars signed by Sting, Amy Grant and Vince Gill, Clint Black, John Mayer, Alan Jackson, Bob Weir and Brooks and Dunn, Courteney's TV show "Friends" DVDs and tickets to "The View," "Live with Regis and Kelley" and "The Tony Danza" TV shows in New York City.On top of all that there were some other stunning items, including a hefty John Ager stone cross, Anita Miles' jeweled crosses and gift certificates for a Five Star Plantation quail hunt, wine tasting for 12, portraits and a getaway to Sundance Resort in Utah.Among the supporters there were many of Natalee's fellow grads from Mountain Brook High School, home from college, wearing yellow "... for Natalee" T-shirts, including Claire Fierman, Madison Whatley and Frances Ellen Byrd. More spotted were parents of grads who went on the trip to Aruba.Also in the crush were Courteney's mom, Courteney Copeland, Pat Copeland, Elizabeth Branch, Betsy Koepsel, Frances and Miller Gorrie, Francie and Ogden Deaton, Marlene Willings, Holman and Margaret Head, Peggy and Bob Faircloth, Jack Schaeffer, Tim Hennessy, Andrea Carmichael, Ginger and Fletcher Abele, Elizabeth and Bill Wyatt, CeCe and Chris Hughes, Judy Carns, Sara and Wally Nall, Beth Williams, Ellen Gorrie and Jim Walker, Kathy and Matt Whatley, Stephanie and Keith Fierman and Vivian Tucker, who owns Harvest Glen, where Natalee worked part-time, there with Mallie."There's no place like home," from Natalee's favorite movie "The Wizard of Oz" was the evening's theme, underscored by Robert Logan's lifesize cutouts of the stars on the warehouse walls.Beth wore tiny, crystal ruby red slippers pinned to her white blouse and a wishbone necklace like Natalee's and her friends. Beth was home, but not for long. She went back to Aruba and the international media frenzy covering the search Sunday.



On 8-31 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not interrogated by the DUTCH interrogators specialists that have, supposedly, been working with the ARUBAN Police.
On November 15, 2005 when MSNBC asked DAVE HOLLOWAY about a phone call that came to Beth after Natalee disappeared saying that the caller was Natalee Holloway (BETH is not totally ruling out that the call was from NATALEE), DAVE HOLLOWAY stated "Well, I listened to the telephone call, it sounded like maybe it was some kid who had misdialed a telephone number. They did not say Natalee or anything like that. I could hear someone in the background just said, ‘Help me,’ and then hung up.” “That [phone call] was probably made six weeks to two months ago, somewhere around there. Somewhere around Hurricane Katrina.” [circa 8-30] "I listened to the tape, and it didn‘t sound like her.” Of the ARUBAAN's saying today that ARUBAN Police "detectives" are being added to the NATALEE HOLLOWAY disappearance in ARUBA case, DAVE HOLLOWAY stated to "They‘ve added people to the team and taken people off. That‘s nothing new. In fact, when I was down there a month ago, I was introduced to a couple of other new detectives and it sounds like to me it‘s just a rotating circus around the individuals that we feel like that should step aside. It‘s very simple. Three or four people, a couple of detectives and a secretary, and manage these people out of the prosecutor‘s office or an independent location and that would throw water on all of this.”
On November 17, 2005 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated on the NBC TV program “Dr. Phil” that at the end of August an ARUBAAN's news-source "Diario" reporter (whom she did not name, but JOSSY MANSUR later confirmed it is HUBERT TIEL) approached her and said simply “Natalee is alive.” ((bear in mind the end of August is right before a DUTCH judge allowed Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , and the Current Murder Suspects KALPOE’s out of jail)) “He‘s a reporter with “Diario.” And I just happened to be in a—I was with Natalee‘s family physician when he approached me on the island of Aruba. And to him, he felt that he could quite possibly be tracking Natalee.” The reporter told BETH that he had seen NATALEE, that her hair had been dyed dark, and he knows of 3 times she had been moved from home to home around ARUBA. BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated "He had been tracking this young female in three different moves on the island of Aruba. He didn‘t come forward to me until either the last of August or very early in September with this information, because, you know, as far as he was concerned, he did not want to jeopardize and compromise Natalee‘s position.” “He was saying that, you know, they had dyed her hair, and what they were doing was moving her from home to home on the island. Once they were getting close and about to break in to find her, then they were tipped off and that she was moved.” The third time the reporter was following who he believes was NATALEE who was in a silver car with other persons. The reporter said he also noticed a helicopter overhead that seemed to stay near the silver car. The silver car stopped at a house and the occupants went inside, then the helicopter landed on the house property, several people came out of the house and got into the helicopter and it flew off. The reporter told BETH that the ARUBAN authorities were aware that NATALEE was alive. BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated "He wouldn‘t even approach me because he didn‘t trust that I would keep this confidential because he said that every time he felt that he was close to seeing if this young lady was actually Natalee, then the authorities would come in and just destroy everything that he had—was setting up.” BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated "He claims that he was tracking an individual. Whether it was Natalee or not, it looks like we‘re coming to, Joe, that it strongly was not Natalee.”
On November 17, 2005 JOSSY MANSUR stated to MSNBC of the ARUBAAN's news-source "Diario" reporter who said he saw NATALEE, “You know, he is—his name is Hubert Tiel. He‘s been on the case from the beginning. He spent about between five-and-a-half months to practically all six months investigating the possibility that Natalee is still alive and on the island.” “Well, he‘s come to the office to us. He‘s come up with some photos where Natalee appears with black hair, differently cut, with dark glasses. But he hasn‘t come up with any kind of evidence that for us in the Aruban news source "Diario" is believable enough to pursue this angle of investigation further. He‘s left it for a while, and now he‘s back on it because he believes that he‘s still on the track of whoever is holding Natalee, according to him, on Aruba.” “Well, he‘s credible enough in his line of work. He‘s a sports reporter. He took a personal interest in this case from the beginning.” “He is credible in what he does, but in this case, you know, I have to look at it from a very serious point of view and consider that in five-and-a-half months of investigating, of following cars, cars that change tags, numbers, people that disappear, people that came into this investigation, I mean, it becomes a little fuzzy for me to follow. And I haven‘t seen any evidence of this brought forward so far to tell me that Natalee is alive and in Aruba. And that‘s our hope. We hope she is alive.” “Because the main problem with this whole case are the Dutch judges. I mean, the rulings that we‘ve seen that are contrary to whatever reason may exist in the world. I mean, how can this man—because a suspect—the main suspect just exposes his desire to continue with his studies, he puts everything else aside and just sends him off to Holland.”
On October 12, 2005 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to MSNBC, “Well initially we had a family liaison that was getting all the information through the lead Investigators, but that stopped probably about six weeks ago.” (circa 8-31)