The Natalee Holloway Timeline
of her vanishment while in Aruba
detailing persons, places, organizations,
deliberate & accidental actions & in-actions,
events & supposed events, witnesses,
known suspects, outright lies,
corruptions, and crimes
8-1-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?
On 8-1 MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE “NBC” TV channel 5 reported:
Possible lead in missing teen case
A potential break in the search for missing teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba.
NBC News has learned that there is a new witness in the case.
This witness claims to know where Holloways body was placed.
The witness is reportedly cooperating with Aruban police.
No other details about the witness or what that person witnessed is available.
There are still three suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and if their attorneys have their way, the FBI will stay out of new evidence.
Attorneys for the suspects are filing for injunctions to stop an unprecedented order from the Prime Minister, which they don't feel is legal, to give the FBI complete access to prosecutors' files.
David Kock, representing Satish Kalpoe, said in a telephone interview, "If today it's the FBI, tomorrow it will be Colombia or some other country wanting documents. This is a regular case that has been blown out of proportion."
Kalpoe's attorney is filing today. He says while there is no agreement in writing between prosecutors and the FBI, a prosecutor flew to the U.S. Sunday to meet with FBI agents.
On 8-1 the ARUBA government made a plea to the public to look for a pair of tennis sneakers owned by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. The pair of tennis sneakers are the “K-Swiss” brand, size 14, they are predominantly white with some blue trim. It was reported that “in one of his many statements” Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT “said he might have lost the shoes the night Natalee disappeared.”
On 8-1, ROBERT COOKE, spokesman for the volunteer “Texas EquuSearch,” said that “Crews equipped with trained dogs, a bulldozer and a tractor hoe have dug 15 holes in a landfill where a witness claimed he saw men dump and cover a female body two days after Natalee disappeared. We ran the dogs through all the holes but they didn't get any hits" (on human remains). Cooke said The group will resume searching the landfill site when they can obtain bulldozer and backhoe equipment that they could not obtain on August 1, 2005.
On 8-1 An ARUBAN Police spokesman said the landfill on the east side of the island near San Nicolas was searched after Holloway's May 30 disappearance based on a tip. Nothing was found then.
On 8-1 FULTON described the landfill holes that “Texas EquuSearch” were digging as 10’ by 10’, then they would search and sift through the material that had been removed to create the hole, then they would search the perimeter of each hole methodically. They are using the dates of newspapers found to help guide them where to search because the landfill witness said he saw the 3 men putting the blonde woman in the dump within a few days of NATALEE last being seen. FULTON also mentioned he specializes in the ground penetration radar operator and had searched the “Arikok” 6’ by 4’ deep hole and other ground penetrating radar (GPR) searches.
On 8-1 JOE "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON said he also is acting as the liaison between the family and the ARUBAN authorities.
On 8-1 several home videos of NATALEE are released by her family. In one of them NATALEE is in the back seat of a car, and describes herself as "Hootie" Holloway. Looking into the camera to talk to a friend for whom the tape was being made, NATALEE says, "Just sitting in the back, cruising over to my place, and you're doing an excellent job. I just want to say, happy birthday. You know, you look like a new woman. And I'm sure you feel like one, too. The beach was a blast. I had the best time of my life."
On July 25, 2005 and August 1, 2005 DAVE HOLLOWAY stated to CNNHN that he has measured the distance from the “Aruba Racquet Club” to the “Marriott Hotel” beach at 500 yards.
On 8-1 CNN reported that “Texas EquuSearch” has dug and explored many holes in the east island landfill. The ARUBAN Police have not been present during the “Texas EquuSearch” landfill searches. CNN also reported that “Texas EquuSearch” cadaver dogs have gotten some false “hits” when they found human remains medical waste.
On 8-1 PAUL REYNOLD’s stated to MSNBC that the “Texas EquuSearch” team received permission from ARUBAN Police Investigators to ask Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT if the Murder Suspects VAN DER SLOOT property could be searched.
On 8-1 when asked how he would react if NATALEE’s body is found, DAVE HOLLOWAY stated, “You prepare yourself, because you’re going to get hit hard and, hopefully, you will land on your feet instead of your back. You have to keep thinking positive and keep your Faith in God, because one day, Justice will be served--and it will. I still hold onto the thread that, maybe, Natalee is alive, and we’ll get a miracle.”
On 8-1 DAVE HOLLOWAY stated to CNN that during the 7-16 encounter with Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT that SLOOT denied everything DAVE asked about, but, DAVE HOLLOWAY stated he believed one thing that Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT claimed to DAVE, which was, “I’ll do anything to protect my son.”
On 8-1 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News that she has recorded in her journal several times before 6-21 (including when BETH wrote it on 6-17) that Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT had told many witnesses, including the Police on 5-31, that he had picked up Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT at the “McDonald’s” at 4:00 AM on May 30, 2005, but when BETH and GRETA had the 90 minute meeting with him on 6-21 that was the first time that Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT started claiming that he picked up Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT at “McDonald’s” at 11:00 PM on 5-29.
On 8-1 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News that on 6-11 she wrote in her journal, “Could a cover-up be involved?”
On 8-1 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that on 6-10 BETH was given information that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had confessed and that NATALEE was probably not alive, so BETH then phoned her mother and told her.
On 8-1 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News that “I just don’t have anything to prove to me that she’s not (still alive), so, I’m going for that she is.”
On 8-1 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that she has been told that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has an open line of credit at all of the major casino’s.
On 8-1 DAVE HOLLOWAY stated to ABC, “We just need a break, and that's what's going to resolve this case, is a break.”
On 8-1 JUG TWITTY stated that he and BETH gathered on 7-31 with many of the Mountain Brook high school classmates who were on the ARUBA trip. (JUG TWITTY also mentioned several of them have come to his office at “Phoenix Metals” and met with him the previous week) JUG TWITTY stated they “talked about everything,” especially the events of 5-29 and 30.
On 8-1 JUG TWITTY stated that on 6-1 several of JUG TWITTY’s friends took some of the “KIDNAPPED” posters to Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s “International School.” The friends had written on the NATALEE “missing” posters something like “ask Joran van der Sloot about Natalee’s whereabouts.” While the friends were still at the school, the school’s headmaster, ROBERT WERNER, came out and asked them what they were doing, and if JUG TWITTY‘s friends were with the F.B.I. The friends told WERNER, who invited the friends into his school office. WERNER told JUG TWITTY’s friends that the day before (5-31), the headmaster had spoken directly to Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT in the headmaster’s office and that the headmaster told Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , “Joran, you need to come clean on what happened.” JUG TWITTY stated that WERNER told his friends that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT claimed to WERNER on 5-31 that SLOOT and NATALEE engaged in some form of sex, and, he also said that NATALEE may have hit her head while swimming that night. The headmaster also told the friends that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT claimed to WERNER on 5-31 that the reason that Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE's car could not be seen in the “Holiday Inn” security camera video tapes around 2:00 AM on 5-30 is that “there was a break in the tape.”
((obviously, yet another lie conspiratorially concocted by the Murder Suspects SLOOT’s and KALPOE’s before the early morning of 5-31 because the Murder Suspects never viewed the “Holiday Inn” security cameras recorded video))
JUG TWITTY also said that the headmaster has been interviewed by the ARUBAN Police.
On 8-1 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s mommy said he told her, “Mom, I dropped the girl at the beach. I walked with her on the beach. I left her because she wanted to stay there. I left and I don't know what happened, but the truth will come out."
On 8-1 JOSSY MANSUR stated that the landfill witness contacted the ARUBAN Police just a couple days after NATALEE vanished and told of seeing 3 men dispose of the body in the landfill. The witness also obtained the license plate number of the truck they were driving and gave it to the Police, but when the Police checked on the license plate number they reported that the car that license plate number was registered to “was not near the landfill.” (what the HECK does that mean?!!?)
On 8-1 DAVE HOLLOWAY stated he has learned that Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT had a former ARUBA job of land management around the island.
On 8-1 CNNHN reported:
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, live to Aruba. The intense search for Natalee Holloway goes on, even after the draining of a local pond turns up dry, in more ways than one. One suspect behind bars while two others remain free. Will the Aruban authorities simply let the case go cold on a missing American girl so a judge's son will walk free?
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But first tonight, to Aruba and the search for Natalee Holloway. Sixty-four, six-four, long days since the 18-year-old Alabama girl vanished the last night of her high school senior trip to Aruba. Will the Aruban Police let the search go cold? Well, not if we can help it. Tonight, volunteers search a landfill after a local pond turns up dry. And tonight, Natalee's mother has left the island. The judge's son, Joran van der Sloot, still behind bars. Tonight, in Aruba, Natalee's father is with us, Dave Holloway, and private Investigator T.J. Ward; in West Palm Beach, Florida, defense attorney Michelle Suskauer; in Atlanta, veteran trial lawyer Renee Rockwell; in New York, psychotherapist Dr. Robi Ludwig. But first, let's go to CNN correspondent Susan Candiotti. Susan, I just can't accept that the trail will be allowed to go cold. What's happening? SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I don't think authorities want it to go cold. They're really trying, they said, everything do to try to get to the bottom of this. The latest information we have in that regard is that they're putting out a public plea to look for -- remember all that talk about a shoe or a pair of shoes? GRACE: Yes. CANDIOTTI: Well, finally, confirmation that authorities are putting out a public request to be on the lookout, if you will, for a pair of sneakers that Joran, according to law enforcement authorities, claims that he might have lost the night that Natalee went missing, when he was on the beach with her, he said, at that fisherman's hut area, which is near the Marriott and the "Holiday Inn" hotels. Described as size 14, a pair of brand new sneakers. The brand is K- Swiss. GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. Size 14, K-Swiss, are those...CANDIOTTI: White and blue in color, that's right. And they're looking for this pair of brand new sneakers that he told Police, as they stressed to me, in one of his many statements, that he might have lost this pair of shoes. Again, they don't know how much credence to put into this. And they said they have looking for this pair of shoes since the beginning, looked in his home, looked around the pond area that they've finished searching, looked around, and now they're saying, all right, well, we're putting out a public request now, if anyone possibly stumbles upon this pair of shoes. GRACE: OK, Susan, let me get this straight. It's day 64, and now they tell us to look on the beach for the shoes? CANDIOTTI: They looked at the beach, didn't find them themselves on the beach, looked other places as well, as I gave some examples, but yes. I said, well, why now? Well, they figure maybe the public can see them somewhere else. GRACE: OK, to Dave Holloway. Dave, what would it prove if the authorities found Joran van der Sloot`s shoes on the beach? I mean, where would that get us in the investigation? DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Well, what they were doing, I think, was the pond that they drained, they feel like possibly he may have been cutting across the beach, back to the racquet club, and got stuck in the mud and lost his shoes. That's the only plausible explanation I could think of. The Police have not told me specifically what the reasoning is, but, as you're well aware, the gardener pinpointed them at the racquet club in her vehicle. So I think the shoes may have been lost, maybe cutting across the field from the beach area. Other than that, I really don't know. GRACE: OK, Dave, do you believe the gardener's story? HOLLOWAY: I believe there's some credence to it. You know, he was pretty specific about it. So, you know, I don't know. You know...GRACE: You know what, Dave?HOLLOWAY: All we know really -- all we know really is they left Carlos and Charlies, to tell you the truth about it. But, you know, the witness is adamant that he saw him at the racquet club that night. So I don't know. GRACE: Well, here's the thing, Dave, there's just something about his story that seems legitimate. Maybe it's the level of detail. What about it, Dr. Robi? DR. ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Yes. And he also seems to be very honest and very interested in helping with this case. GRACE: No skin in the game.LUDWIG: Right. Absolutely.GRACE: He's got nothing to gain or lose. LUDWIG: Which makes him sound more valid. And also, one can envision what he's saying, given the characters in this case. GRACE: You know, Renee, you and I have been in court a lot. And when you've got a witness, a single eyewitness to something, the more detail that they can give about the incident makes the story more believable. Would you agree or disagree?And what about this story, Renee? The guy says he explains why he's out at 2:00 in the morning. It's hot. He's going to his friends with an air conditioner. He pulls around the corner. Next thing you know, he`s right up on Joran van der Sloot, 2:00 in the morning. Renee, nothing good going on outside at 2:00 in the morning. With the Kalpoe boy in the back and the other brother in the front, the Kalpoes duck down and Joran van der Sloot hides his face. RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Tries to hide his face. And by virtue of the fact that he remembers those details, it sounds like he's trying to come forth and give the details of three individuals that are not acting normal at 2:30 in the morning, especially in light of the fact that they're trying to hide. GRACE: Take a listen to this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: From the beginning, you know, Beth and I were there that very first night. And I still believe that, of course, Joran is involved. Deepak's involved. And the father's involved. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Dave Holloway is with us, it's Natalee's father. Dave, I've got a map of the island. Renee or Elizabeth, if you could pull that up. There we go. No, it's the other one. The other one you just showed me. Dave, could you tell me, now, what is your theory about the shoe, Joran van der Sloot's shoe? What would it prove? HOLLOWAY: Well, it would prove that they were at a certain location at a certain time, based on what the gardener had to say. So he places them at the racquet club around 2:30 a.m. GRACE: Now, you were telling me -- hold that map. Hold that map, Elizabeth. You were saying something about coming from the beach at the "Holiday Inn" toward the pond and losing the shoe in some mud. Would you repeat that, Dave? HOLLOWAY: Well, I was over there this afternoon, just kind of checking it out. And the distance from the racquet club to the beach is probably 500 yards at the most. GRACE: And what's your theory about where the shoe -- how the shoe could have gotten lost and what it would prove? HOLLOWAY: Well, the gardener indicated that they were on that road, right near the racquet club. And if they were down on the beach, possibly running back towards the racquet club, late at night -- there was a lot of mud holes, and sink holes, and that type of stuff in that area -- he could have possibly ran off into one of those and lost his shoes. That's the only plausible thing that I can think of, that the Police would be looking for would be shoes, you know, in that area. GRACE: T.J. Ward, the private Investigator hired by Natalee's family. T.J., you have said a couple of times that you believe this case will be solved in a matter of weeks. Why do you say that? T. J. WARD, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR HIRED BY HOLLOWAY FAMILY: Well, everything is surrounding over here near the beach and over here near the pond that nothing was found. And last week, you and I discussed, when I was here, about this second witness. Maybe the second witness did see something, and they tried to come back, and they were looking for it, maybe a pair of tennis shoes. I mean, there may be some validity to that. There's some new information that we found today. And we've got some phone calls and some e-mails...GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait. What new information? WARD: We've gotten some new information today, some new e-mails, in regards to checking out some new leads. And we're looking on...GRACE: Can you tell us what they are? WARD: Well, just to follow up with some of the leads, like we're looking at today. I returned over there this morning and talked to the manager of the racquetball club, in regards to van der Sloot having access to a home somewhere in the area around the pond. And I'm still trying to confirm some additional information to see if this is true. Secondly, I understand van der Sloot today -- I received some information this afternoon is about to hire a private Investigator out of New York to represent him. And this Investigator claims that we're looking at the wrong people and the wrong parties, that there's somebody else that's involved in this.But I invited him down after some information that was discussed on another media program. GRACE: You know, Susan Candiotti, do we have any idea when van der Sloot came up with the shoe story? CANDIOTTI: No. I tried to press law enforcement about at what point he talked about the shoes. But all I got was, "It was during the course of the many statements that he had given," but I couldn't pin them down on precisely when that was, in the beginning, in the middle, the end. Remember, he's given so many different statements, at least 15. And I don't know how many different versions, of course. GRACE: Every time you do that, Susan, it sticks in my throat. The last time I heard 22 different stories, I nearly choked, now 15. This guy has told so many different stories.You know, Michelle Suskauer, as a prosecutor, you got to love a guy that changes his story every time you take a statement from him. MICHELLE SUSKAUER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know, they've been holding him for quite some time. And as I've said before, Aruba is a prosecutor's dream. And he has not had a defense lawyer with him. So he's going to give maybe a different story every day and maybe say what they want him to say and point the fingers in every different direction. But...(CROSSTALK) GRACE: I think he has had a defense lawyer with him. I think he has. SUSKAUER: No, he hasn't. Only until recently did they give him the permission to have a defense lawyer. GRACE: He had his father the night Natalee went missing, saying, "No body no case." Isn't that right, Dave Holloway? HOLLOWAY: From what I understand, that's the statement that was made. He, of course, denies that he ever made that statement. But that's what they're playing on. GRACE: And, you know, Renee, I know it sounds fantastical to a lot of people that are listening that someone would actually leave behind an item of clothing. Look, I had a guy that left behind his parole notice at a burglary about when to report for his parole sign-in, all right, his monthly parole visit. I've had people leave all kinds of -- a driver's license, much less fingerprints, forget about it. A parole notice, Renee, at the scene of the burglary. So the shoe is nothing. ROCKWELL: Nancy, I'm thinking that what probably happened regarding the shoes is that the officers that are investigating the case are saying: What did you have on the night of the incident? Of course, you can wash your clothes and maybe wash away some forensic evidence, some blood, hair, any type of semen, anything that may connect him with this incident, but typically people do not clean up their shoes. And it takes this much, and there might be the only piece of forensic evidence that we have. Remember, we have no forensic evidence, no body. We don't even know if this is a homicide. GRACE: Take a listen to this. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We've been going through this since June 10th. What have I not been exposed to? What have I not been put through? Where has she not been? It's been endless. You know, until I am shown definitively, of course I'm going to have hope that she's alive. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: You know, we're talking about a missing shoe tonight, that shoe belonging to the judge's son behind bars, Joran van der Sloot. And again, it may sound fantastical, but I've actually seen a murder case turn on a discovery of a glass eyeball, a case turn on the discovery of a chipped fake nail. So a shoe is like a gift from heaven to certain prosecutors. To Susan Candiotti, who's been on the case from the beginning, you know, the cops finally broke down in Aruba and went and searched van der Sloot's home. Did they find a pair of size -- is it 12 or 14, Ellie?CANDIOTTI: Fourteen.GRACE: Fourteen K-Swiss, were they there? CANDIOTTI: No, they weren't there. And what your other guest said is true, I'm told by law enforcement. Naturally, they were talking about, well, one of the many questions then asked, what were you wearing that night?And presumably, when it came down to the shoes, well, where were the shoes? So where are the shoes? So this was one of the things I'm told that was discussed, and where are they? "I might have lost them," I presume is what he said, because that's what they said, he told them he might have lost them. GRACE: Hey, Susan, take a look at the monitor. We're just showing the bulldozer digging up that muck from the bottom of the pond. If there were a pair of K-Swiss shoes in there, I don't know that they would ever, ever find them. It's like a needle -- oh, good lord, a needle in a haystack. CANDIOTTI: Yep, that other thing -- and you know, Nancy, the map that you had up a little while ago, I just wanted to point out where the racquet club was in relation to that. GRACE: OK, we've got it up, Susan. CANDIOTTI: OK, great. You see the pond there? GRACE: Yes. CANDIOTTI: Well, just on the bottom of the screen -- because of the visuals on the bottom, it's kind of missing -- but the racquet club would be on the bottom of the screen on that side... GRACE: Is that it? Is that it, Renee and Elizabeth, the brown square at the bottom? CANDIOTTI: There you go. There it is. Now you can see it. GRACE: That's it, Susan. You're right, incredibly close.And take a look. Just as Dave Holloway told us, there's a clear shot from the "Holiday Inn" and the Marriott, straight across to the pond, straight across to the racquet club. Now I get, when you explain it to me like that, Susan, why they're so interested in this area. You know, you put that in with what the gardener says, seeing them there at 2:30 a.m. Everybody, we are live Aruba bringing you the latest in the case of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old girl. Still authorities still searching for her. But will they allow the case to go cold in Aruba and let a judge's son walk free? I hope not. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: There's been rumors out there for many, you know, weeks, that we can't find her on the island here, that she's possibly in Venezuela, Curacao, all these places. And hopefully this will help, you know, if she's out there, if people have information that they can help us, you know, find her, that they will come forward. (END VIDEO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) GRACE: One million dollars posted for Natalee Holloway's safe return; $100,000 for info on her whereabouts. Tip-line toll-free, 877-628-2533. Tonight, after the disappointing results from a local pond, Natalee's mother has returned to Birmingham, Alabama. With us from Aruba, Natalee's father, Dave Holloway. Dave, what is the thinking about the landfill search that's going on? HOLLOWAY: Well, we had a witness that came forward and indicated that he saw something happen at the landfill. And, you know, that's our last place to look. And, you know, I don't know what the credibility of this witness is. But it's the last place we're going to have the opportunity to look, unless we come up with some more clues. GRACE: Susan Candiotti, are authorities bringing in additional equipment to search the landfills? CANDIOTTI: Well, EquuSearch is bringing in more equipment. They're bringing in up to six for bulldozers, they said, tomorrow. They've already dug up about 40 different holes. They're using a stick with a camera, they said, on the end of it that helps them to look into small places. They've had some false positives over the past couple of days where they think they found something but, for example, it would turn out to be medical waste.And they have some dogs in there, as well, they're trying to look. But they think that they might be able to finish up their work tomorrow. And I know that Dave talked about credibility questions. And, in fact, Police did talk to this witness, I am told, by two different law enforcement sources, within, well, right away, after he came in to talk to them, a few days after Natalee's disappearance, he was brought to their attention.And he thinks he saw something that could have been a body. And he even provided them with a tag number on a car. But authorities told me that when they looked into, for example, that car, it matched up to a vehicle that was not in the landfill on the day he claims to have seen it, nor in that immediate timeframe. GRACE: So, basically, the tag number was wrong. But do we have any reason to discredit him seeing a white Jeep and several men discarding something? CANDIOTTI: Law enforcement sources tell me they don't put much credibility -- it just didn't pan out, in their opinion. GRACE: You know what, Susan? I get where you're coming from. But, still, this gardener has such a ring of truth in his story of seeing van der Sloot at 2:30 a.m. near this racquet club, destroys van der Sloot's own story. Everybody, we'll all be right back. Stay with us.
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HOLLOWAY: We've heard a lot of different rumors. I mean, when we got on the island, you know, we had a lot of information that, you know, she was here, there, whatever. And all of those turned out to be false, but we still hold onto the thread that maybe she's off somewhere. That's my hope. But the Police investigation has always come back and indicated that they're looking into this as a murder case. But as a father and a parent, you still hold onto a possible miracle. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Welcome back. A miracle, that may be what it takes to find Natalee Holloway, or to even find out her whereabouts. Welcome back, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace. Let's go straight back out to Susan Candiotti. She's been on the Holloway case from the beginning. Well, there is some heartening news tonight that a whole new team of interrogators have flown to Aruba to re-question Joran van der Sloot, the judge's son. What can you tell me, Susan? CANDIOTTI: Well, I know that this team has been preparing for this interview for some time, according to our sources. And by the way, that team of Dutch Investigators that have gone to the FBI institute at Quantico that spent last week there, they're back in Aruba, also. But this team of specialists -- I'm not sure precisely how many people will be going in -- is scheduled to meet with Joran van der Sloot tomorrow. He will be transported from the prison, where he is in the juvenile section, over to the Police station to be questioned by these behavioral specialists in hopes of asking him questions again, being able to observe him, look for certain clues, use different techniques, to see what he will say. I talked with this defense attorney about this, this night. He said he couldn't get into specifics, but the attorney will be allowed to be present and observe the interview. GRACE: With us is Susan Candiotti. She's been on the case from the beginning. A heartening break that a whole new group of interrogators have already arrived in Aruba to question Joran van der Sloot. Quick break. We'll all be right back.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: I don't even know if we've heard all of them, and let alone -- I don't know if he's finally disclosed the last story. I don't think we've ever gotten to where he actually -- that he and the Kalpoe brothers actually left Natalee or were with her last.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. Straight back down to Susan Candiotti. Susan, regarding this new team that's coming in to interrogate Joran van der Sloot, who exactly are they?CANDIOTTI: All I have been able to learn is that they are specialists from the Netherlands who are used to talking to young people and who specialize in their behavior and certain interview techniques. So the theory being that they'll be allowed -- they'll be able to, perhaps, discern something that the other Investigators haven't been able to.GRACE: Dr. Robi Ludwig, why would he open up to a whole new set of interrogators, when he's remained, you know, lip-locked the whole time, except for what daddy fed him?LUDWIG: He may not. But if these Investigators have a fresh pair of eyes and a fresh approach, they could somehow manipulate him into saying something, although van der Sloot is so connected to his father, you almost get the sense his father instructed him on how to behave and he is following suit. And it is working for him thus far. In fact, I wonder, with the sneakers, if his father knows what you know, that anything could implicate him and to get rid of the sneakers. I don't know how...GRACE: What about that possibility? That's a good idea. Renee Rockwell, the theory of actually getting rid of them -- because on that very night, he gave a very dissatisfactory explanation of the shoes he was wearing at the time Natalee went missing.ROCKWELL: It would all be circumstantial, Nancy, but they could use that...GRACE: So?ROCKWELL: ... as him getting...GRACE: So?ROCKWELL: ... rid of evidence that may work against him. But whatever this team is, this new team, they need to get busy because after 146 days, he's out of there. And my math shows me that it's September the 4th, and if there's nothing filed against him formally, he's out.GRACE: And you know, that's an interesting point. Dave Holloway, come September the 4th, he walks. Does that totally preclude the Aruban authorities from refiling claims against him?HOLLOWAY: Well, he actually hasn't been charged yet, but the investigation will continue. You know, you've got to stop and think. I went out to the prison and spoke directly with Paul van der Sloot, and you know, I don't know whether I believe everything he said, but I did believe one thing, and that was that he would do everything he could to protect his son. And you know, these daily visits that he has, you know as well as I do, he's going to be in there coaching and pumping his son, you know, just to, Keep on, keep on, and you'll eventually get out.And you know, that's obvious to me that's what's happening. These special Investigators, they may come in, I don't know that they'll get much more out of him. Unless they isolate him and not allow him to have any visits with his parents, I just don't think we're going to get much more out of him.GRACE: Dave Holloway, before I let you go, the way I see it is, as it stands right now, the only way you're going to find out is to somehow divide these three and get one of them to tell what happened that night. But I don't know that there's an incentive in Aruba that can be offered. They don't plea deal down there.HOLLOWAY: That's correct.GRACE: With me is Natalee's father, Dave Holloway. Also with us, Susan Candiotti -- she's been on the case from the beginning -- and T.J. Ward, the private Investigator, who has literally been knocking on doors, door to door, now focusing in and around the racquet club. Thank you, all three of you.
On 8-1 T. J. WARD stated to CNN that Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT may own a second home close to the drained pond near the “Aruba Racquet Club.” T. J. WARD also said that Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT has hired a private Investigator who is from New York City that has said that “authorities are looking at the wrong people.”
On 8-1 CNN reported that the DUTCH interrogators specialists would begin interrogating Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT on 8-2. They are also youth behavioral specialists. Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s lawyer “will be present and observe the interrogations.”
On August 15, 2005 CNN reported that two weeks ago, Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was involved in a 2-person prison fight.” On 8-22 it was reported that the prison fight that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT may have been a participant in circa 8-1 occurred during a prison soccer game, and was broken up by prison guards after the shorter combatant landed some good blows onto Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT.
On 8-1 CNN reported:
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Aruban Police seek suspect's shoes
Another van der Sloot interview, landfill search expected Tuesday
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban authorities investigating the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway are looking for a pair of size-14 tennis shoes that suspect Joran van der Sloot might have lost, a Police official said.
"He says he might have lost a pair of sneakers on the beach the night Natalee disappeared," said lead Police Investigator Roy Tromp. "That's what he claims in one of his many statements."
Tromp said the 17-year-old suspect described the shoes as white and blue and brand new.
"He claimed he lost them in the area of Fisherman's Hut, but we [are] looking at other places, including the pond," he said.
The pond was drained last week after a witness said he had seen van der Sloot and two other named suspects -- brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe -- nearby. Authorities said Saturday they found nothing in the pond.
Fisherman's Hut is an area of a beach near the Marriott and Holiday Inn hotels. Holloway was staying at the Holiday Inn.
She was last seen May 30 leaving a bar with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, all of whom live on the island. All three were arrested June 9, but a judge ordered the Kalpoes released on July 4.
No one has been formally charged in the teen's disappearance.
In one of multiple versions the three have told Police about what happened that night, they said they left Holloway at a beach near Fisherman's Hut.
Police told CNN they don't know whether van der Sloot is telling the truth, but they are now asking the public's help to look for the shoes to assist with their investigation.
They did not explain why they are now making the search public.
Van der Sloot is expected to be questioned again Tuesday, this time by Dutch Investigators who are behavioral specialists, according to Police.
Authorities said van der Sloot will be transported from the prison where he is being held to a Police station for the interview.
Police on Friday night used searchlights and cameras on the ground and from the air to look at areas of interest under the remaining water in the pond.
The search yielded nothing, authorities said. On Saturday morning, divers searched one spot in the middle of pond, but came up with nothing.
Police have again downplayed a witness who came forward a few days after Holloway's disappearance and claimed to have seen what could have been the body of a woman being dumped at a landfill.
Police said the vehicle described by that man was not there that night or in the surrounding days. In addition, they said, authorities searched the area twice and found nothing.
Nevertheless, they support another search of the landfill by a private group.
EquuSearch, the Texas-based volunteer group conducting that search, has moved 25,000 to 30,000 square feet of garbage, one of its members said.
The group will return to the landfill Tuesday with three to six donated bulldozers, he said.
Holloway, an 18-year-old honors student from suburban Birmingham, was in Aruba with classmates to celebrate their high school graduation when she disappeared.
Her mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, has returned home to Alabama after spending about two months in Aruba during the search for her daughter.
On 8-1 FOX News reported:
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: It's been nine weeks since Natalee Holloway (search) vanished without a trace. Since then, we've heard from family and friends about Natalee's warm and good-natured personality, and tonight, in an "On the Record" exclusive, you can see for yourself at least a glimpse of what Natalee Holloway is like.
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NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Just, you know, sitting in the back, cruising over to my place, and you're doing an excellent job. And I just want to say happy birthday. You know, you look like an old woman, and I'm sure you feel like one, too. And the beach was a blast. I had the best time of my life.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Two days ago, Natalee's mother left Aruba for the first time since she raced to Aruba after getting that call that her daughter had failed to show up for her flight back to the United States. We caught up with Beth Holloway Twitty (search) and Natalee's stepfather, Jug Twitty, at their Birmingham, Alabama, home.
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When did you get home, Beth?
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: Oh, gosh, Friday night. Friday night.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you come, too, Jug, with her?
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, NATALEE'S STEPFATHER: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: The plan isn't to stay home long, though, is it?
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: Not for me.
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: No. The plan was, Greta, to bring her home, and she had so many cards and letters and things down there that were just piling up in the room, and we knew we had to get some of it back because, you know, we would have never gotten it all out of there. And I wanted her to come back, and I wanted her to see what the community has done for her.
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: You know, when you step outside of Aruba, I think it helps to clear your mind and you see really what you've been going through and still what needs to be done and the things that are so wrong. And I'll be honest, it just really gave me so much strength, and my anger was increasing every hour. It just increases as I'm here, and it's because I know of so many things that — I see this huge support here, and then I see these things clearer now, these things that have gone wrong in Aruba in regards to Natalee's investigation.
VAN SUSTEREN: Like?
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: Oh, everything, everything since day one. And I was just getting angrier by the moment. I mean, Jug knows, it was just...
VAN SUSTEREN: Are you madder — because you've been mad a lot since the beginning?
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: Yes, I'm always mad. But when I came back the first time, I was livid. I mean, I just would watch the news, FOX or whatever, and it just drove me crazy. And I kept hearing these things that people would say down there, and then after talking with people here about — and seeing all the support, you just want to go back down there. So I was down there the next day. I stayed here one night, I think, I think in bringing Beth back, you know, first of all, we got a lot of the stuff back. I wanted her to come back and see Matt. I wanted her to come back and get Matt settled in, you know...
VAN SUSTEREN: Her son?
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: Her son, for school. But also, it gave us an opportunity to talk to some of the kids that are Natalee's best friends that were on the trip with her down there. And you know, they came to my office one day, and we talked a little bit. But having Beth back here — Beth is like their best friend. I mean, they're all, like, she's like one of the girls, you know? So this afternoon, they came over and we sat down and we talked. And we talked about what happened that night, what happened at Carlos and Charlie's, what happened at the Holiday Inn, you know, just the whole story. Because we've been talking back and forth on the phone or asking questions when, you know, the FBI wanted to ask us a question, whatever. And this just gave her more fuel right there, that this happened and this happened, and she got the real picture of, you know, what all happened that night.
VAN SUSTEREN: Are you sort of in a vacuum in Aruba? You don't realize the tremendous amount of attention, I mean, this has been all over this media. Do you not see that in Aruba?
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: No. No. Not anything like it's been since I've come home. And now I see why Jug would be so upset when he would call me. When he came back to the States and I was still in Aruba, and I was thinking, in my mind, I'd think, Well, nothing's changed, so I really wasn't any angrier or anything like that. But I noticed his was just increasing, and I couldn't figure it out until yesterday. I see why now.
And I don't know if it just helps you get a bigger picture or, you know, if you can step outside of something, I think I just saw for the first time how clearly things had gone wrong. You know, I knew they were going wrong, you know that, Greta, but I think I just saw it even clearer.
VAN SUSTEREN: Like what?
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: I think I just saw specific little details that just have started eating me alive just, I mean, from details of that first night, when we met Joran and Paul and Deepak, you know, just little details that have been eating away at me on this pick-up time at McDonald's, you know, Paul van der Sloot stated specifically and emphatically he picked them up at 4 a.m. I have it documented in my journal too many times to know that...
VAN SUSTEREN: At 11 p.m.?
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: No, he told us 4 a.m.
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: To start with.
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: To start with. And then, you know, I noticed when you and I went to his home, do you know that was the first time that he had ever changed it to 11 p.m.?
VAN SUSTEREN: But before then, it had been 4 a.m., but then with us, it's 11 p.m.
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: Yes, 4 a.m. on May 31, he stated — I documented in my journal — that he stated to the police spokesperson that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. Again, on June 17, I have it documented in my journal that they were going to question Paul that day about the 4 a.m. pick-up. And then it changed. That's why I was so shocked that day that you and I went to his home. That was the first time that he had changed to it 11 p.m., to the 29th. So that's just one example of many little details that are just driving me crazy now that I'm back home.
VAN SUSTEREN: So what's the strategy, Jug? I mean, how do we get this case to move forward?
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: I really hope that the new people that are involved — and I did meet Eric Zumers (ph) down there with a friend of mine. I actually went out to where they were draining the pond and met him. And I feel like this is my personal feeling. I feel like getting Van der Straten out of the way will allow us to go back and maybe look at some things that happened on that first, second, third day. And everybody knows those first nine days were so critical and — you know, but — mistakes were made. But they can still go back and get the people that were with me that night.
There's eight people that were with Beth and I the night we went to the van der Sloots' house. And you know, they didn't take their statements for 19 days, but they can still go back and get them. And you know, people forget things. If we had taken them, of course, you know, two or three days later, we'd probably already have had the answer to what happened to Natalee.
But I still think that the new people there do want to do that. I think they want to go back to the beginning. And there are so many people that they need to go back and talk to that I think, if we do that, somebody's going to say something or they're going to get some kind of clue as to what happened.
VAN SUSTEREN: How do you keep your cool, though? I mean, you seem patient.
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: Well, I mean, last night, I don't think I was very patient. I have my moments where I'm just so angry and I'm just ready to lash out. And you know, I can't just stay that way. I just have my moments. I mean, you know, today, you know, it's getting closer to where I'll depart for Aruba again, so I realize that I will be able to, you know, just further harp on those specific details of everything that we've heard since we arrived on the island because there are so many things that are...
VAN SUSTEREN: When you go back, do you feel like you're determined? You don't feel like, this is so hard, I can't go back?
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: None of that?
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: No.
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: No way.
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: I can't wait. I cannot wait.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you always been like this?
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: She has.
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: Kind of, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: You both? And you, too, Jug?
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: In a different way, yes. I'm like that, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: I'd want you two on my team! I want you two on my team on this.
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: She's very, very determined. I mean, she's going to find the answer. I mean, she is not going to quit until she finds it and we think we know where it is.
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY: I know.
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: Well, we know we know where it is.
VAN SUSTEREN: Where is it?
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: It's in Joran's head. It's in Deepak's head. They were there that night. I'm telling you, when we drove up, that Joran, Deepak and the father all know what happened to Natalee.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
8-2-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?
On 8-2 “Texas EquuSearch” team member ROBERT COOKE reported:
(ROBERT’s daughter, RACHEL LOUISE COOKE has been missing since January 10, 2002. If you have any information, Please contact http://www.rachelcookesearch.org/ .
There is a $50,000 REWARD
Please contact the Williamson County Sheriff's Office 512-943-1300, Crime Stoppers 1-800-253-STOP, or email with any information to help find Rachel.
Natalee Holloway Search, July 26 - August 1, 2005 by Robert Cooke
Tim Miller, the director of Texas EquuSearch, Tim's friend Kevin, and I flew to Aruba on Tuesday. We want to set up things and define search areas for the specialized search teams that are coming later this week. Tim appeared live on Fox's ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN within two hours of our arrival in Aruba. I met Natalee Holloway's mother Beth while waiting for the show.I gave her the ribbons the Laci Peterson ribbon makers made for Natalee. Beth gave me one of the wristbands made for Natalee, which are similar to the Lance Armstrong Foundation wristbands.The next day, Kevin and I started working on a schedule for the week. The ground penetrating radar (GPR) team and TES search leader and lead diver Joe Huston also flew in on Wednesday.Thursday, the GPR team scanned an area in the Arikok National Park where a shallow grave and duct tape with blonde hair were found. I picked up the first dog team at the airport and took them to the hotel. A new witness came forward who said he saw a female being dumped in the Aruba landfill two days after Natalee disappeared. Kevin went to the landfill and listened to what the witness had to say. The information was credible enough for us to search the landfill tomorrow. I appeared on MSNBC's ABRAMS REPORT tonight. They asked me questions about the GPR and Natalee's search. I also explained Rachel's disappearance.Friday most of the team went to the landfill. The GPR and methane people searched the beach near the Marriott Hotel. Dave Holloway and his father-in-law accompanied us to the dump. A K9 got a hit in one area. Three small mounds were flattened there by a bulldozer, and the dog was still interested in the ground. A backhoe then dug down about three feet. The K9 then lost interest.The backhoe was moved to the area where the witness said a body was dumped. A second backhoe arrived, and that one dug 5-6 foot deep holes about 50 yards apart. The backhoes then moved toward each other. I left the landfill to pick up a second K9 team at the airport. Later that night, Tim Miller and I appeared on ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN.Saturday the landfill search continued. We only had one backhoe, so we carefully dug where the landfill supervisor said the garbage for early June would be. Newspaper dates were checked as we dug to make sure we were in the correct area.The dogs checked the holes in the early morning and late afternoon for human scents. At one point they got a hit, but it turned out to be medical waste. Geraldo Rivera's brother Greg interviewed a few searchers today. One of the K9 teams appeared on Fox's HEARTLAND, Joe Huston and I were on THE BIG STORY, and Tim Miller was on AT LARGE WITH GERALDO RIVERA.Sunday Joe Huston and I spent most of the day at the landfill. We bought better masks, which helped a lot. An ad will be placed in tomorrow's newspaper asking for equipment and operator donations to continue the landfill search on Tuesday.I did interviews with ABC, Associated Press, and PEOPLE magazine. The PEOPLE article about Natalee Holloway should be in an early August edition.Monday a team was sent to the old Atlantis Hotel. Tim, Kevin, and I flew back to Texas. Some of the team will remain in Aruba to complete the landfill search.
On 8-2 the “Scared Monkeys blog" identity “eleye” reported:
"The day after NH was missing, a person called 'Barbishi' told the story that the night before, he saw three people in front of the HI, with the girls body, and that they tried to take a tarp from one of the water-sport tents to wrap the body, and could not get it down.Then, that one of them went to the garbage cans at the Hyatt [?] [unclear perhaps' Holiday?], and took the bags out and wrapped the body, put her in a white PU and left. They went out and turned left, towards the light house, and turned off on a dirt road, and dug a hole and put her in it, and threw out the shovel. He also said he told the police, and they send [sic] him on a four wheeler to try and locate the spot.And he also said he had been threatened by these people. This person who has been seen on the beach every day, has no longer been seen after this, and he was known to be there daily." [end of letter]
On 8-2 the “Scared Monkeys blog" reported:
EquuSearch searches Neighbor’s Property Next To van der Sloot House
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The Texas EquuSearch team got permission from Paul van der Sloot’s neighbor to search the property adjacent to the van der Sloot home. Since the neighbor had been away on vacation prior to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, his property was considered a prime possibility as a site of interest. The property would have had no one home and available to access as the owner was away. The search and rescue dog teams were used as well as the ground penetrating units used to pick up an anomalies under the surface and methane detection probes. The dog teams picked up no hits; however, all the information from the GPR’s have not yet been analyzed.
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On 8-2 the DUTCH behavior specialists interrogators from the NETHERLANDS started the interrogations of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. Among other things, the interrogators will “observe his body language and look for inconsistencies in his account of what happened the night Holloway disappeared,” Police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said. With his lawyers, Police escorted Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT from his San Nicolas “KIA” prison on the eastern side of the island to the Oranjestad Police station for the interrogations.
An F.B.I. agent also sat in on the 8-2 interrogation, which ended at about 5:00 PM.
On 8-2 MSNBC reported that the DUTCH behavior specialists interrogators during the interrogations with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT can show him photos of NATALEE, photos of other Murder Suspects, mislead, distort facts, and lie to Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT.
On 8-2 DAVE HOLLOWAY stated that Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT “needs to quit giving his son bad advice that is going to affect the rest of his life.” DAVE also said he has spoken with the landfill witness, but DAVE is not sure his claims are believable. DAVE HOLLOWAY stated he has mixed thoughts and feelings about the landfill, but he does wonder what will happen if the landfill witness is speaking the truth.
On 8-2 "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON said he has spoken with the landfill witness who told him he was only 80 yards from the woman’s body when 3 men dumped and buried her in the landfill. "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON stated that the landfill witness is adamant about seeing a woman being buried in the landfill.
On 8-2 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT “stopped talking a while ago.” TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has told 14 to 22 very different versions of what happened with NATALEE on 5-30. TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN is back in ARUBA from her vacation. TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that that “all Murder Suspects” (does that include Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT ?) will be present for the 8-3 judge’s hearing. TITO LACLE stated that the Police “they think the father lied, yes.” TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that the same current judge will be the judge on the upcoming 9-4 hearing for retaining under arrest Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT.
When interviewed by FOX News on 8-2 ARUBAN Police Lt. SOEMERS said that NATALEE’s disappearance is not the hardest case the ARUBAN Police have ever had and that the Police solved the hardest case. He said there is a 50% chance NATALEE’s disappearance will be solved. He also said his personal opinion is that NATALEE is still alive, possibly having gone or been taken initially to VENEZEULA. He said he does not know what official(s) called-in the DUTCH behavioral specialists interrogators. SOEMERS said there is no new physical evidence.
On 8-2 JOSSY MANSUR stated that kids from the “International School” have said that in the past Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has bragged about sexual conquests of tourist women and he has admitted to putting date-rape drugs into women’s drinks. Jossy Mansur confirms that Joran van der Sloot has a history on the island of drinking, gambling, and most importantly SLIPPING PILLS INTO GIRLS’ DRINKS. Download and view video here.
On 8-2 FOX News O’REILLY stated that ANITA VAN DER SLOOT has told him that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had received 6 scholarships to AMERICAN colleges.
On 8-2 ELLIS-SCHIPPER (member of the "Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force") claimed that when Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT turns 18 on 8-8 that Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT and his mommy will no longer have unfettered access to visit Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. On 8-8 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s visitation will be limited to one, 15-minute visit per day.
On 8-2 AMERICAN homicide detective MARK FUHRMAN and DUTCH-born, ARUBAN Police lieutenant RUDY SOEMERS stated to FOX News:
Are Aruban Cops Confident Natalee Will Be Found?
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Earlier today, we took our cameras to the Aruban Police station where Joran van der Sloot is being interrogated by behavioral specialists. Lieutenant Rudy Soemers gave us some insight into where the investigation stands.
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Is there the behavioralist from Holland — is that person here today?
LT. RUDY SOEMERS, ARUBAN POLICE OFFICER: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: What does that person do that a Police officer can't do?
SOEMERS: That's a good question. I would like to know that myself.
VAN SUSTEREN: Who made the decision to call in a behavioralist?
SOEMERS: Can't tell you.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know and you can't tell me, or you just don't know?
SOEMERS: No, I just don't know.
VAN SUSTEREN: Who's now running the investigation?
SOEMERS: It's Mr. Zumers (ph), I think.
VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of collecting evidence, is there any ongoing collection of physical evidence going on?
SOEMERS: Not that I know. I'm not sure of that because I'm not in the investigation.
VAN SUSTEREN: How optimistic are your colleagues that this will be solved?
SOEMERS: Fifty percent.
VAN SUSTEREN: Just fifty?
SOEMERS: You know why? Because — this is my opinion — I don't think she's in Aruba.
VAN SUSTEREN: You think she's alive?
SOEMERS: Yes, and not in Aruba.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why do you think she's alive?
SOEMERS: All the equipment that they used to find her in Aruba, and they didn't find her. For me, she's not in Aruba.
VAN SUSTEREN: How do you get out of Aruba?
SOEMERS: Easily. With a boat, you will reach Port Escondido in less than an hour. With a good speedboat, you will reach in less than an hour.
VAN SUSTEREN: Does that happen often?
SOEMERS: It can. Listen, a lot of illegals is coming — they're coming in Aruba that way. So it's nothing strange. If she wanted to leave Aruba, she could leave it. It's easy to leave it.
VAN SUSTEREN: Her passport is left behind her room. Can she navigate out of here and into, like, for instance, Venezuela?
SOEMERS: Illegal, yes. Illegally, that's possible.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think she went voluntarily out of here, or do you think someone took her against her will?
SOEMERS: Voluntarily. That's my own opinion again, OK?
VAN SUSTEREN: Is that the opinion of any of your colleagues?
SOEMERS: No. I'm sure not.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you met Joran?
SOEMERS: I saw him, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: What do you think of him?
SOEMERS: I didn't speak with him, so it's difficult for me to say what kind of person he is.
VAN SUSTEREN: How about Deepak? You ever see him?
SOEMERS: Once.
VAN SUSTEREN: What do you think about Deepak?
SOEMERS: Difficult to say. Very difficult to say.
VAN SUSTEREN: Satish?
SOEMERS: I don't know them. I don't know them. I never spoke with them, so it's difficult to say what kind of person they are.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is this the most difficult investigation you've seen this Police force face?
SOEMERS: No, no. We had others. And we solved them.
VAN SUSTEREN: But this one, you only have a 50/50 feeling that you're going to solve it.
SOEMERS: It's my own opinion again. That's why I tell you, for me, she's not on the island.
VAN SUSTEREN: What about the role of the FBI? Is that something that's welcome, or is that something that's in your way?
SOEMERS: No. No problem. If they want to help, it's no problem.
VAN SUSTEREN: What about the American media? Is that a problem in your way, or are we OK?
SOEMERS: No, that's no problem. You guys are only doing your job.
VAN SUSTEREN: Some guy screamed at me on the street, told me to go home today.
SOEMERS: Depends what you want to do. You want to stay, or you want to go?
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know Paul van der Sloot?
SOEMERS: No. I saw him once in here, in the building, but I don't know him.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was that when he was being questioned?
SOEMERS: No, he came to see his son. That was in the beginning.
VAN SUSTEREN: What about the prosecutor? Do you know her, the one who was on vacation?
SOEMERS: Yes, I know them all.
VAN SUSTEREN: What's she like?
SOEMERS: Nice person.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why is she on vacation in the middle of an investigation?
SOEMERS: I don't know that. I can't answer you that. I don't know that.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is that common, to go on vacation in the middle of an investigation?
SOEMERS: Possibly.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Joining us live in Spokane is former LAPD homicide detective Mark Fuhrman. Mark, the interrogation that is going on with the behavioralist — I'm obviously a little stuck on that because that to me is a red flag. But you're an experienced detective. What does this mean?
MARK FUHRMAN, FORMER LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: Well, Greta, what's going on right now is what probably every major city, every detective knows, after they've talked to a few hundred convicts. The body language is part of the interrogation. But it happens the first interrogation nine weeks ago, eight-and-a-half weeks ago, eight weeks ago. It doesn't happen when the suspect's clammed up and he's not saying anything.
What, we've got 14 to 22 stories, so if he crosses his leg, we're going to pick that one? I mean, this is ridiculous! You know, Greta, I think we're being much too polite with the Aruban Police, the authorities. They sound like, you know, they're either incompetent or they're corrupt or they're both, but they certainly don't know what in the hell they're doing. This is a problem.
You know, 50 percent chance of solving this? You have a Police lieutenant that thinks she left the island? Why? Well, it's his opinion. Is there any evidence? No. This is indicative of the administration of the Aruba authorities? I mean, this is crazy!
VAN SUSTEREN: But, I mean, in all fairness, I mean, when you look at some cases, some cases are impossible to solve, for whatever reason. I mean, Joran van der Sloot could be the world's worst liar and do 15 or 25 or 30 different stories, yet if they don't have evidence to show that there's been a crime, that there's been a homicide, the Police are stuck and the prosecutor is stuck. Now, I will admit that they didn't start this investigation very quickly. But you know, this may be the perfect crime.
FUHRMAN: Well, Greta, it isn't because they didn't collect any evidence. They didn't do anything that they were supposed to in the first 12 hours, the first 24, the first 36. They just let it languish — they didn't even look in the ocean for the victim. I mean, give me a break here!
And you know, you're very right, and I saw your show last night and I watched it intently. But when you have an interrogation, you need to have evidence, some evidence, whether testimony or physical evidence, to refute a statement that is inaccurate, so you can get the suspect back on track to little bits and pieces of the truth. You don't let him ramble on with confessions on and on. But they have nothing to refute it.
And you know, this is more like a POW interrogation, where they're just wearing somebody down to give up some consistent story, so they can say that they broke him. This is not the way we do it in America. I think everybody knows — any cop that's listening to this show right now knows that you either be — you would be relieved of this case or you would probably not be a detective anymore if you went on with this dog and pony show that's been going on in Aruba.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right, so if you set aside the interrogation, Mark, that aspect of it that's ongoing, how do you find the physical evidence, at this point, to support the crime? We're nine weeks into this. What can anyone possibly do?
FUHRMAN: Well, Greta, you know, if you're a detective on the scene, you need to be an organizer. You need to be able to point to people and tell them what to do. You seize all cars, all phone records. You get everybody isolated. You get them in an interrogation room. You get their statements — van der Sloot , the mother, the father, the boys, everybody you know, everybody in the bar, every chaperone, everybody that saw Natalee leave. You get everything together, and you get them all wedded to these statements first. You collect all forensic evidence.
These boys, everybody that was in that car, their clothes, they're seized, their house, warrants. Then you can start writing search warrants. You do all this, and this is in the first 24 hours. Then you have the ability to go back.
VAN SUSTEREN: As I look at this, I mean, the one thing that disturbs me most of all is that — if I were investigating this, is that Joran van der Sloot came up so very quickly with a lie in the middle of the night, the first night she was missing. And it seems to me, How did he know he needed to lie? So I must admit that I'm enormously suspicious on him. But then I get stuck on that Elizabeth Smart case, where never in a million years did I think she would show up alive. I mean, how do you deal with this?
FUHRMAN: Well, we had nobody in the Elizabeth Smart case that was making any statement, except for her sister, that a man came in and took her. We didn't have somebody in custody spinning different lies about, you know, what happened to her and who did it. So a completely different situation here. And you don't need to make up a lie about somebody that leaves and goes to Venezuela on some boat with a bunch of guys. You don't need to make up a lie that you dropped her off at the hotel, that she hit her head. And I'm going to tell you, you know, Greta, I have a suspicion that the lie about dropping them off at the hotel and she fell and hit her head — that is because blunt force trauma was used on Natalee's head. And I hate to say this, but they're accounting for injuries, if the body is found, that will be able to be attributed to dropping her off at the hotel. This smacks of the suspect is in custody and they dropped the ball. They lost the momentum. The kid's smarter than the cops.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right, Mark. As always, thank you, sir.
After three days at home in Mountain Brook, BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to the “Birmingham News” newspaper that she's returning to Aruba August 2, 2005 "ready to fight," and she'll be carrying a special piece of cargo: photos of the yellow ribbons that line the streets of Natalee Holloway's hometown. "I want to take them with me so I can look at them and I can also show Aruba," Twitty said as she drove around running errands Monday. "I can't think of anything better to take." Twitty flew home Saturday to spend time with her 16-year-old son, Matt, with other family, and with friends of her daughter. Holloway, 18, disappeared May 30 while on a graduation trip to Aruba. Her mother said her family's home feels empty without her daughter. "I don't want to be there," she said. "I'm ready to go get her." Twitty left her clothes and papers in her room at Aruba's Wyndham Hotel, where she plans to stay another month. One of her tasks during her short trip home was to arrange a leave with the Mountain Brook school system, where she works as a speech pathologist. She took care of a few everyday tasks, including a dental appointment and taking the family dog, Macy, to the vet for her summer haircut. The pastor who had married her and her husband, George "Jug" Twitty, prayed with them at home. Twitty also went twice to the prayer wall set up for her daughter at Mountain Brook Community Church. She first stopped at midnight Saturday, soon after arriving in town. She returned Sunday with a group of Holloway's girlfriends, including those who plan to attend the University of Alabama with her this fall. Twitty said the university understands that "everything's on hold right now." She said the trips to the wall reassured her because she feared the good wishes she has received from around the world were only for her and not her daughter. "This may sound strange to people, but I feel like I've been getting all these cards and letters and support and I started to worry about Natalee," she said. "I wished she was getting the same and it hit me when I saw the prayer wall that she is. It hit me when I was standing there. I thought, 'Oh, she's getting her mail.' It made me feel so relieved." Twitty said she hopes her daughter is still alive, though she knows it's against the odds. In the weeks since Holloway disappeared, extended searches have turned up few clues. Although authorities there arrested seven men, all but one were released, and no one has been charged. Indeed, authorities say there's no proof Holloway is dead. "I may be the last one standing," she said. "But I don't know anything different. Until I find out for sure, then I'm just going to go with (the feeling) that there's a very good possibility she's alive."
On 8-2 "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON said they still are unable to rent any backhoe or bulldozer equipment and that on 8-1 the ARUBAAN's news-source "Diario" newspaper wrote an article requesting businesses with such equipment to help. "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON also said that the backhoe operator for the previous days work has gotten sick.
On 8-2 JOSSY MANSUR stated to FOX News O’REILLY that to date, no attorney for any suspect has demanded in a court that anything ARUBAAN's news-source "Diario" has written so far be retracted. JOSSY MANSUR also said that a person is considered a Murder Suspect for 2 years after the investigation ends.
On 8-2 CNN reported:
LAW CENTER
Aruba suspect faces new questions
Behavioral experts to interview van der Sloot over missing teen
(CNN) -- The only suspect who remains jailed in connection with the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba faces further questions Tuesday, authorities said.
Dutch behavioral specialists will interview 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot as Investigators try to shed new light on the case more than two months after Holloway vanished on the Caribbean resort island off Venezuela.
Defense attorney Antonio Carlo said his client has said all he is going to say and does not know what more he can add.
Carlo said van der Sloot's parents have been visiting their son frequently. van der Sloot is being held in the youth section of a prison facility, with access to newspapers and television.
"He's holding up," Carlo said.
Van der Sloot, son of an Aruban judge, will be taken to a Police station for Tuesday's interview.
Dave Holloway, the missing teenager's father, said the family has had "22 different stories from this guy."
"I just hope that this new team can get to the bottom of it," he told CNN's "Larry King Live."
Holloway, 18, an honors student from suburban Birmingham, Alabama, disappeared May 30 while on a graduation trip with classmates.
She was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot and two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were jailed early on but later released.
No one has been formally charged in the teen's disappearance.
Aruban authorities said Monday they were looking for a pair of size 14 tennis shoes that van der Sloot might have had on the night Holloway disappeared.
"He says he might have lost a pair of sneakers on the beach the night Natalee disappeared. That's what he claims in one of his many statements," lead Police Investigator Roy Tromp said.
Tromp said the suspect described the shoes as white and blue and brand new.
"He claimed he lost them in the area of Fisherman's Hut, but we're looking at other places," Tromp said, referring to a beach area near the Marriott and Holiday Inn hotels. Holloway was staying at the Holiday Inn.
Among the other places searched was a pond drained last week after a witness said he saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers in the area.
Authorities said Saturday they had completed their search of the pond but had found nothing.
On 8-2 CNNHN reported:
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, breaking news from Aruba. Judge's son Joran van der Sloot back to Police headquarters for more questions in the disappearance of 18-year-old American girl Natalee Holloway. van der Sloot has already changed his story two dozen times about the night Natalee went missing. And Natalee's mom headed back to the states, but not staying long. Now, she's getting back to Aruba to continue the search for her daughter.
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But first, breaking news in the disappearance of 18-year-old Alabama star student Natalee Holloway. Joran van der Sloot back to Police headquarters for another round of questioning by Dutch authorities, so- called experts. Sixty-five days ago, 6-5, Natalee went missing, the very last night of her high school senior trip, last seen alive in the company of judge's son Joran van der Sloot.With us tonight, in Aruba, Jossy Mansur. He is the managing director and editor of "Diario." In Atlanta, defense attorney Ray Giudice; in New York, defense attorney Richard Herman and psychotherapist Caryn Stark; also with us, WBMA-TV reporter Anastasiya Bolton. Let's go straight to Anastasiya. Bring us up-to-date, friend. ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA REPORTER COVERING STORY: Nancy, officials in Aruba, Dutch specialists, interrogated Joran van der Sloot today. They started early in the morning and went all day until 5:00. They're called behavioral specialists. They specialize in noticing and analyzing behavior and how a person answers questions. We also know that the FBI participated in the interrogation, as well. They were seen walking into the downtown Police department where Joran was interrogated all day carrying Natalee Holloway folders. We understand that there's also going to be an interrogation going on tomorrow. As far as the results of the investigation, and the interrogation from today, we do not know what, if anything, they may have found out. Another development: A hearing is going to be held tomorrow. Joran van der Sloot's attorney is protesting the FBI's involvement in this case. So we expect a judge to make a decision on that tomorrow, possibly later in the week. Also, Natalee Holloway's mother was going to go back to Aruba today but decided to stay home to take care some of things and will be going back tomorrow. GRACE: Take a look at this newly released video. These are home videos of Natalee Holloway. What a little cutie bug. You know, it brings it all into perspective, this is the girl, still a little girl, barely...(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) NATALEE HOLLOWAY, MISSING GIRL IN ARUBA: (OFF-MIKE) and I'm sure you feel like one, too. And the beach was a blast. I had the best time of my life. And you know...BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Are you properly buckled, Hootie? Oh, you're not! You're caught, OK. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: You know what, this is a girl who was even worried, Caryn Stark, about having her seat belt buckled. She didn't even want to drive in the car and break the law by not having her seat belt buckled. CARYN STARK, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: That's the saddest part, Nancy, as you see that, her mother is worried about her seat belt buckled. And now we know that she's totally disappeared and likely dead. GRACE: It makes the dichotomy very, very disturbing. STARK: Painful. GRACE: We're showing you newly released video of Natalee Holloway. We know she loved dancing. Tonight, as we are heading toward the 65th day of her disappearance, let me quickly go Jossy Mansur with "Diario." Jossy, this guy, Joran van der Sloot, has changed his story we know up to 22 times. Do you have any details of how he's been changing his story? JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO": No, I haven't, because what we know is what you know is that he has been changing it. We don't know the details of the changes. I know some of them that has been changed, for example, that he took the girl over to the beach and left her there, that he left her asleep on the beach. On another occasion, he says no, he just left her on the beach to walk back to the "Holiday Inn." On another occasion, still he says he left the girl because she became sick and he left her on the beach. So those kind of changes to the same question is what I think people are referring to when they say that he's changed his story about 22 to 24 times. GRACE: Take a listen to this, Jossy. OK, guys, hold on. Tell me when you get that sound, Elizabeth.To Ray Giudice, bringing in Dutch behavioral specialists, well, I'm all for that. I think they should have done it 65 days ago. But the reality is, they need some hard questioning techniques, Ray. Behavioral specialists, that's not even allowed in court. RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, it's not, Nancy. But the thick I was very pleased to hear is that the FBI agents are going to be with these behavioral specialists during the questioning and, perhaps, if anybody's got any sense, the FBI will have more than just a slight guiding hand into how this next interrogation is going to be done. I'm all for anybody with a new approach, a new specialty, or a new study that can get to the bottom of this. Let this boy tell the story as many times as he wants. Each time he tells the story, it offers an opportunity for a lead or a crack in a contrast with a prior version of the story. So again, the upside is, yes, they're doing it, albeit late, but the FBI is there. And that really -- you know, if there is any upside to it, that's it right there. GRACE: OK. Let's try that sound again, Elizabeth. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: If the story still stood, the night that I confronted the judge, so-called judge, and the son, and Deepak, and they sit there and told me that, "Yes, here's what we did. We took her to the "Holiday Inn." Come with me, we'll show you. We'll talk to the guards." Of course, the guards had never saw them. It's not on the video. They said that for nine days before they arrested them, that was the story. And then all of a sudden they changed the story. So why did they do that? The whole world knows that. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Richard, very rarely will testimony or any evidence from a so- called behavioral specialist be allowed in court. That's just like telling a jury, "Oh, I know he's lying because he looked away, or I know he's lying because he crossed his arm, because he fidgeted." That may be anecdotal. We may think that as lawyers. But that is not the type of evidence that is allowed in court. What are they thinking? RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I think this is strictly a political move by the Aruban authorities so they can say down the road they did everything they possibly could. Van der Sloot's own attorney has said, "My client had said all he's going to say." I don't believe he's answered any questions. I think there may be a team of people and they're looking at him, and him sitting there looking back at them. I'd like to know if he's answering any of these questions, because I don't think he is. GRACE: To Paul Reynolds, joining us tonight. This is Natalee's uncle. Paul, have you heard whether there was any progress with Joran van der Sloot? I mean, didn't his defense attorney say at the get-go today, "Well, he's already talked to you guys several times. I don't know if he has anything else to say"? PAUL REYNOLDS, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE: Well, we don't know what he said today. But certainly, we think that there's information contained in the original interrogation records that holds some clues. And you know, from the very beginning, when questioned after Natalee was first missing to later when they were first picked up, you know, we had the reports of the so-called confessions in the very beginning, back on June 10th, when they said the boys started talking. They said something bad happened. I just have to think there are some clues in those answers. And, you know, we want them explored, and we want those pieces of the puzzle put together. GRACE: You know, he's right, Jossy Mansur. Jossy is with us from Aruba. He is with "Diario" newspaper.Jossy, if you could recount that statement, that alleged statement, the statement then witnessed by four Police officers, where Joran van der Sloot points the finger at a Kalpoe brother. MANSUR: Yes, he did. They took him over to that place where he sat, to the north of the Marriott where he sat. He thinks that Deepak buried the girl's body under the sand near the first fisherman's hut. Then when they continue to walk, at the end he told them, "I went with the girl to the beach, and I left her there. I walk back. And then Deepak went back to where the girl was lying on the beach." And then they asked him, "What do you think happened between the two of them?" And then Joran answered very categorically, "I think that Deepak raped and murdered her." GRACE: You know, Joran van der Sloot, the judge's son, is not the only one that specialists need to re-question. What about his father? Take a listen to this.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I met him the night I got here. He's sickening to me. He's a chicken. If he has nothing to hide, why is he running to his car? He makes my stomach turn. You know, they say, "Like father, like son." Well, in this case, I truly believe that's the case. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Back to Jossy Mansur. You know, Jossy, we've got many, many shots of Judge van der Sloot running away from questions. And if it's like father, like son, why should we believe Joran van der Sloot has got a lawyer with him, his father, the judge, has been visiting him behind bars? There you go. Why should Joran van der Sloot be any different from what we're seeing right now? MANSUR: You know, that's a question very hard to answer, because we're not inside the boy's character. We don't know how he thinks. What we do know is that he's out of control with anger. He's not a man that controls his anger. At school, he's been in problems many times. He's been allowed to gamble at 17 years of age, to enter casinos, which is prohibited in Aruba. He's been allowed to drink at all these nightclubs that we see him partying. He's a party boy. And I don't know how they can serve him drinks, being 17 years old. So to compare the father with the son for me is very difficult. I'm not a psychiatrist. GRACE: Back to Anastasiya Bolton, WBMA reporter. Anastasia, I understand the questioning will resume tomorrow morning. BOLTON: Yes. We are told that the specialists from Holland are back tomorrow morning at the Police department. That's where the interrogation is taking place. Joran is being held at the only prison facility. So it's about a 30- minute ride downtown to the Police department. That's where he's being questioned. And we're expecting the FBI to participate in that questioning, as well. GRACE: To Ray Giudice. Ray, you`ve handled a lot of criminal cases, everything from DUI to homicide. Just get real for a moment. What do you tell your guy when he is going in to be questioned by Police? GIUDICE: Well, I try to prevent him from talking, if I can. If they insist on talking, I'd like to go over the story with him as many times as I can on the critical parts. Not coach him, but make sure he knows what his story is and knows that it hangs together. I can't put words in his mouth, but I've got to prepare him for the type of questioning they're going to get. You know, look, they're going to play good cop, bad cop with him. And as you know, every variation under the sun of that, and now with this psychological evaluation that they're doing.But again this is a different story. You've got a 17-year-old kid. That's not a hardened criminal. That's not a person who's used to being questioned or used to being on the spot. And I don't think this kid's ever had anything but things go his way, anyway. So I think -- I'm surprised that, after 65 days, that good, seasoned Investigators, if they had been on this job, I think they would have cracked it by now. GRACE: Well, there's the kicker, Ray. GIUDICE: Yes, I agree.GRACE: Could have, would have, should have, good, seasoned Investigators. GIUDICE: Absolutely.GRACE: Richard Herman, Ray Giudice is soft-pedaling a little bit. The reality is, isn't it true, your guy is looking at a murder charge, you're not going to say, "Don't speak. Whatever they say, don't answer. Stick with the story you've already given. You've locked yourself in. You're stuck with it." Be honest, Richard. HERMAN: Nancy, his jaw is wired. I don't believe he's saying anything other than his name. There is no body. There is no crime scene. There's no DNA evidence. September 4th this cold case is going to freeze over. He's going to walk out of that prison facility. I guarantee that. GRACE: With us is Natalee's uncle, Paul Reynolds. Isn't it true that Natalee's family believes the judge told his son "no body, no case"? As long as they don't find Natalee, they think they're going ride free. REYNOLDS: We certainly think that is the story that he told his son. We think that it is really not true. We do think that there is information there. I think the boys have been talking. I think those pieces of the puzzle can be put together. And witnesses are still coming forward. We're still obtaining new information. You know, it's really unfortunate for his son that he's giving him that kind of information, because what if there was an accident? You know, there's a lot of speculation that something happened as a result of an accident. Trying to protect his son in this manner is not going to help him move forward with his life, whereas he could come forward with the truth and let us know what happened, he would have a chance. I think the father has given his son very bad advice. GRACE: Caryn?STARK: Well, it seems to me, Nancy, that this is not at all a psychological evaluation in the true sense of the word. So people who are behaviorists are not psychologists. And the other thing I want to say is the fact that he accused his friend tells me that he`s projecting. The story that he came up with of murder and rape, that might be something that's inside of him, that he's projecting onto his friend because he was there and did it. I suspect it. I can't say that actually happened. GRACE: Well, I can guarantee you this: If Natalee Holloway was raped and murdered -- remember the "Three Musketeers"? -- the law feels the same way, all for one, one for all. We'll be right back. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We have been going through this since June 10th. What have I not been exposed to? What have I not been put through? Where has she not been? It's been endless. You know, until I am shown definitively, of course I'm going to have hope that she's alive. B. TWITTY: And who's our special guest today? N. HOLLOWAY: It's Hootie. B. TWITTY: Hootie Hoo Holloway. Hi, friend. N. HOLLOWAY: Just, you know, sitting in the back, cruising over to my place, and doing an excellent job. And I just want to say happy birthday. You know, you look like a new woman. And I'm sure you feel like one, too. And the beach was a blast. I had the best time of my life. (END VIDEO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: The guarder indicated that they were on that road, right near the racquet club. And if they were down on the beach, possibly running back towards the racquet club, late at night, there's a lot of mud holes and sinkholes, and that type of stuff, in that area. He could have possibly ran off into one of those and lost his shoes. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace. We are live in Aruba. And the search that goes on for Natalee Holloway. To Jossy Mansur, with "Diario" newspaper. Jossy, what's the latest regarding the search for Joran van der Sloot's shoes? Now, didn't he tell Police he lost them that night? How do you lose your shoes? MANSUR: He did say that he lost two shoes, blue and white, tennis- type shoes. But I want to show you a picture, if I can. GRACE: OK. OK.MANSUR: And I will hold it to my chest. GRACE: Before we lose the -- hold on. OK, go ahead. MANSUR: Look at Joran's shoes here in this photo. GRACE: OK. Zoom in, Liz. MANSUR: Do those look to you like blue or white or tennis-type shoes? GRACE: No. MANSUR: They look like boots, no? GRACE: They look like boots. They look like work boots. MANSUR: Brown boots. OK. GRACE: Now, wait a minute...MANSUR: He was wearing those at...GRACE: Was that what he was wearing the night Natalee went missing? MANSUR: Yes, ma'am. This is the photo -- this is a photo taken at Carlos and Charlies that night with other photos that we have. You see, when all this became so complicated about the shoes, we went back in our files and we started to look at all of the pictures that we have. And we find some very interesting one, including this one that shows what he was wearing that night. GRACE: Uh-oh, the Bruno Maglis of the Holloway case. Everybody, with me is Jossy Mansur. Let's see if we can zoom back in on that. Jossy, I didn't realize at first what you were showing me. What you're seeing, according to Jossy with "Diario," is a photo from the night Natalee went missing and all this business about his blue and white K-Swiss size 14s is B.S. That's a technical legal term, because here are his feet, unless Mansur has somehow Photo Shopped another foot on him. You know, so, Jossy, have you handed this over to Police? MANSUR: Yes, we have. We did so today. We hand everything over to the Police, because I have total confidence in our Police corps. I think they're doing a good job. I think that, in the beginning, there was some interference because they had some problems with the minister. But then everything fell into place. Now we have a new team working on this. And my confidence has not slackened in our Police force one second. GRACE: With us, Jossy Mansur with "Diario" there in Aruba. And cases have been cracked on things a lot less minor than a missing shoe, which leads us to the question, if the shoes don't matter, why would he continue to lie about them? Do they hold evidence?
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK) GRACE: One million dollar reward for Natalee's safe return; $100,000 for info on her whereabouts. There's a toll-free number, 877-628-2533. Very quickly, to Natalee's uncle, Paul Reynolds. Paul is joining us. Paul, he's lying even about his shoes. Did you know that? REYNOLDS: I just had heard that report this evening. You know, it's just -- it's another lie that he was telling. And it certainly gives the night a different meaning. You know, it kind of sounds like he must have gone home, possibly with Natalee, after leaving Carlos and Charlies, and looks as if he changed his shoes he was wearing. But, again, we don't know how the Police got the report that he lost his tennis shoes to begin with. So there's just many confusing aspects about his story. GRACE: Well, confusing is one way to put it. Outright lies may be another way to put it. Very quickly, back to Jossy Mansur with "Diario," Jossy, didn't it come from Joran van der Sloot himself that he lost his K-Swiss tennis shoes that night? MANSUR: He did. He said that to the Police. He told the Police that he lost his shoes over there and that he had to walk barefooted from the hotel to his house. That's on the record with the Police. GRACE: Well, so, Richard Herman, long story short, if the actual shoes he was wearing were at the home or in the car, they're long gone, Richard. HERMAN: Nancy, I told you it's pathetic. And in contrast to Mr. Mansur, I have absolutely no confidence in the Police department in Aruba. They blew the case the first three or four days and Natalee went missing. GRACE: Quick break, everybody. We'll all be right back. We are live in Aruba.
8-3-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?
On 8-3 CARLOS A. PENATA RAMOS gave the following statements to his ARUBAN Police Interrogators:
(Thank You and Hat Tip to the “Scared Monkeys blog" and “Debbie”)
PROCESS – VERBAALI Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, agent first class at the Korps Police force Aruba and at the investigative district classified II explain the following:On August 3, 2005, at around 17.30, I, CROES, had called the witness C.A. PENATA RAMOS on its mobile tel., number xxx-xxxx. I had shared with the witness that we need him the next day at around 09.30 that it was necessary concerning further settlement of the procedure in this matter. The witness had told me, CROES, to call him around 20.00 because he had to ask for permission from his employer. According to the witness he had to work the next day in the morning hours. Around 20.30 the under inspector first class R.R. TROMP, called the witness C.A. PENATA RAMOS on its mobile telephone. The witness did not take the call.Of which has been closed by me, CROES, on oath of office made up and this warrant and has been signed at North on August 3, 2005.Signed,L.A.G. CROES
For persons who want to help, a second fund has been set up for NATALEE case contributions at “Trustmark Bank,” The Natalee Holloway Fund, 700 23rd Ave., Meridian, Miss. 39301, or at any Trustmark branch in Mississippi. The contact tel. # is (601) 693-2431
On 8-3 the DUTCH behavior specialists interrogators from the NETHERLANDS started the interrogations of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. Among other things, the interrogators will “observe his body language and look for inconsistencies in his account of what happened the night Holloway disappeared,” Police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said. With his lawyers, Police escorted Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT from his San Nicolas “KIA” prison on the eastern side of the island to the Oranjestad Police station for the interrogations.
On 8-3 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to CNN that while she was in Alabama BETH learned that on 5-29 at 11:00 PM Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was already with Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE (he was not leaving the “Holiday Inn,” he was not walking to or at the “McDonald’s” as he claimed, and he was not with Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT ) and Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT offered another Mountain Brook high school male a ride back to the “Holiday Inn.”
On 8-3 CNNHN reported:
NANCY GRACE, HOST: … Tonight, it is day 66, and the search goes on. Murder Suspect Joran van der Sloot back at Police headquarters in the just the last 24 hours. Why? For more intense questioning.And Natalee's mother jets back to Aruba stating she is ready to fight. Good evening, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace, and I want to thank you for being with us tonight. Eighteen-year-old missing American girl Natalee Holloway's friends with her on their high school senior trip are with us tonight. And tonight, Natalee's mother resumes the search against all odds for her girl.
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We’re switching gears, everybody, and going live to Aruba. Tonight in Aruba, managing director and editor of "Diario," Jossy Mansur. Also with us, Natalee Holloway's friends, Katherine Weatherly and Claire Fierman, who were there on the trip, this high school senior trip.But first, to WBMA reporter Anastasiya Bolton. Anastasiya, bring us up to date. Is it true that Joran van der Sloot underwent another round of questioning starting this morning?ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA-TV: Yes, a second round today. Behavioral specialists took a second day to question Joran van der Sloot. I am told by the chief Investigator that he was not very cooperative. They did question him all day long from early morning...GRACE: Can you imagine that, Anastasiya! Joran van der Sloot not cooperating! Go ahead.BOLTON: It's very consistent, obviously, Nancy, with what he has done in the past. Another thing about Joran, he turns 18 on Saturday. Why that is significant? Because as he’s accused or suspected of a crime as a teenager, as a 17-year-old, he’s underage, his parents are still going to be allowed to visit him. If he were accused of a crime as an 18-year-old or of age, he would not be able to have visitations from his parents.Another thing happened in court today. Two -- several attorneys, actually, from the Kalpoe brothers and Joran’s attorneys went to the judge and are asking the judge to stop the FBI from having access to the files in this case. So far, the judge has not made a ruling. He did not give a timeline when that ruling may come down, but we are expecting it this week.Why the tapes are important? The FBI has asked to look at the tapes of -- not confessions but the interviews of Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot from early in the investigation. We know that the Dutch authorities took the tapes to Quantico, Virginia, but we do not know if the FBI has ever had a chance to look at the tapes or analyze them.GRACE: I want to go to Claire Fierman, a friend of Natalee Holloway's that was there. OK, no Fierman? Let me go to Katherine Weatherly. Katherine, are you with me, dear? Can you hear me?KATHERINE WEATHERLY, WAS AT CARLOS AND CHARLIE'S WITH NATALEE: Yes.GRACE: Hi, dear. Thanks for being with us. Now, were you there that night at Carlos and Charlies?WEATHERLY: Yes, ma’am. I was there.GRACE: What did you see? Did you see Joran van der Sloot there?WEATHERLY: Actually, Natalee -- I was with Natalee. We were all together, dancing, and Natalee was only with Joran towards the end of the night. But I did pass him. I didn't really even notice him. And that was it.GRACE: So when you saw him later in the evening with Natalee, what were they doing?WEATHERLY: I didn't see him later in the night with Natalee. I saw him in passing, and that was it.GRACE: OK. How was Natalee that evening?WEATHERLY: She appeared fine. She wasn’t acting out of control or anything so...GRACE: Did you see her when she left?WEATHERLY: No, I did not see her.GRACE: Had you already left?WEATHERLY: Well, Carlos and Charlies closed at 1:00 o’clock, and when it closed, everyone was getting in taxis at the same time and it was really chaotic. And I got in a taxi, and everyone just thought that everyone would get home OK. There were so many people leaving at one time, it was just...GRACE: OK. Hold on. Am I getting Claire Fierman yet, Elizabeth (ph)? OK. I'm hearing...CLAIRE FIERMAN, WAS IN ARUBA ON GRADUATION TRIP WITH NATALEE: Hey, sorry. It's sort of breaking up.GRACE: Hey, Claire.FIERMAN: Hey.GRACE: Claire, did you see Joran van der Sloot that evening?FIERMAN: Did I see him? I'm sorry, I -- (INAUDIBLE) breaking up. No, I’ve never seen him. I wasn’t at Carlos and Charlies, and I’d never seen him -- I’ve never seen him ever.GRACE: Claire, when did you realize Natalee was not there to return home?FIERMAN: The next morning, I was on an earlier flight than everybody else, and Francis Ellen (ph), one of our friends, came and found me and Katherine in the airport and told us that Natalee wasn’t flying home, that they did not know where she was.GRACE: But to Katherine Weatherly. Katherine, when did you realize that Natalee wasn’t there to return home?WEATHERLY: I realized the same time as Claire, actually, but at the time, we thought maybe she slept in. We didn't -- I mean, we were very concerned, but we thought...GRACE: What did you do?WEATHERLY: ... she would be coming home. We -- well, we had to get on the plane immediately after that, and we got on the plane...GRACE: Nobody tried to call her?WEATHERLY: Oh, yes. People -- we were getting -- her cell phone was in her room at the time. She didn't take her cell phone with her.GRACE: Did you try and call her before you got on the plane?WEATHERLY: No. We knew that she didn't have her cell phone with her, so there was no point in calling, if she -- because -- well, they -- I wasn’t there when they realized that she was missing. I was told in the airport. But I know that other people did, and -- but realized that she didn't have her phone with her.GRACE: Why would anybody know she didn't have her phone with her?WEATHERLY: Because they saw her phone in the hotel room. She hadn’t taken it out with her that the night.GRACE: OK. It just seems to me that everybody keeps their cell phone with them. Why wouldn’t she have it that morning? But you’re telling me people did try to call her, right?WEATHERLY: No. Well, no. They -- no. They didn't -- everyone knew -- when the next morning that her cell phone was there. I was just saying that we would have tried to call her. I don’t know if people actually did try and call her or not, but the people that were in her room knew that she hadn’t had her phone that night.GRACE: Right. Right.Quickly, everyone, to "Trial Tracking." A stunning break in the case of Brooke Wilberger, the 19-year-old college student who vanished from Corvallis, Oregon, May 2004. After a year of searching, tonight, Police charged Joel Patrick Courtney (ph) with murder. Courtney also charged with kidnap and rape of another college student in New Mexico. He heads to Oregon after New Mexico courts get the first court date. Courtney could face the Oregon death penalty for Brooke’s murder.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)CAMI WILBERGER, BROOKE'S MOTHER: We’d like to thank all of you who have joined with us over this past year in searching and trying to find Brooke. Our main goal remains the same, to find her and see that justice is served. We believe families are eternal, and Brooke will be with our family forever.(END VIDEO CLIP)(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: When I got home Friday night, the first thing I did was book a flight out because I was -- I just felt like I was already ready to go. But you know, once -- once I -- once I started driving around in Natalee's community and saw all of the yellow bows on the mailboxes and the businesses and I visited the prayer wall, and that was just incredible, and you know, I was so glad that I did come home.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are live in Aruba and the search for Natalee Holloway. Joining us in a moment will be Natalee's mother, who has flown back to Aruba in the last 24 hours.Let’s quickly go to Jossy Mansur with "Diario" newspaper. Welcome, Jossy. Jossy, what can you tell us about the resumption of the questioning of Joran van der Sloot this morning, the judge’s son?JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": You know, what I can tell you is that we found out that he is answering all his questions with silence, and at a certain point, he also throws his hands up and covers his ears so as not to listen to them anymore.GRACE: Oh, that’s helpful.Debra Opri, think some defense attorney told him to do that, pretend he can’t hear?DEBRA OPRI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, I think the father did. And the bottom line is this. They went in there with a number of puzzle pieces all in place, and they had some leverage. They're saying, You’re turning 18 and the tables are going to turn, buddy, so you’re going to cooperate with us now, or once you turn 18, it gets even worse for you in terms of your freedoms and your privileges.The bottom line is he is not going to talk. He has something to hide. And they’d better find the body because time’s ticking, and unless there's some confessions by someone else, it's going to be rough. The guy is a very shrewd guy, and he has a father to support him.GRACE: Jossy, what can you tell us about that witness that says he saw someone actually dumping a body at the landfill?MANSUR: Well, he keeps insisting that he saw that. He’s also helping out at the landfill site. He’s participating and pointing out the area where he says he saw this happen.GRACE: Now, the shoes we saw last night that we thought may have been the boots he was wearing, van der Sloot wearing, the night Natalee went missing -- it was actually the case it was tennis shoes he was wearing, right?MANSUR: We don’t know that. But that photo was misstated by our people at the "Diario." We assume full responsibility for that. It was taken a few weeks before, so it's not consequential to the case or the investigation. But still, we should have checked more carefully.GRACE: Well, bottom line, all I care about was what happened to his shoes, and did he tell Police he lost them the night Natalee went missing?MANSUR: He did. He confessed to the Police that he lost both shoes that night and he walked barefooted to his home.GRACE: You know, Jossy, what will happen to Joran van der Sloot when he turns 18? Will there be a difference in the way he’s treated?MANSUR: But of course. He’ll be treated as an adult under our laws. One thing that I do know, that he will lose visiting privileges every day by his parents. He will go down to once a week that he will be allowed to have visits. And all depends that -- I'm not a lawyer in Aruba, so there’d have to consulted some lawyers...GRACE: But Jossy...MANSUR: ... that know the other implications.GRACE: Jossy, isn’t it correct that on September 4, he’ll be released, if there are not formal charges?MANSUR: He can either be released, or they can give him a 30-day extension.GRACE: And Jossy, have you heard any information regarding a search for one of those little kiddie pools?MANSUR: They have been searching for that. They have found one, and they're concentrating on that area where this witness says that when they dumped the body, they covered it with some other bags and then put this little pool on it.GRACE: OK, I'm sorry. I didn't hear that. Repeat, Jossy.MANSUR: They are searching where -- they did find this -- one of these pools, this pool, and they have been searching in that specific area because we have to remember that this garbage has been moved about quite a bit from that day on by big tractors and front-end loaders and whatever.GRACE: I want to go quickly to Wilbur Smith, defense attorney out of Florida. Wilbur, obviously, the high school friends are going to be little or no help to Police regarding the night Natalee went missing. What’s their best shot, at this juncture? I say to get the Kalpoe brothers to break down and give evidence.WILBUR SMITH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I would be interested to know what the economic impact on Aruba is. This has to be devastating to their economy, and they're going to put pressure anybody that has any information. Now, the young man in jail, he’s been well schooled. I don’t think he’s going to talk. But you’re right, it's the brothers and maybe other people that the locals are going to put pressure on. I don’t think that forensics or any other type of search is going to be that productive.GRACE: What about it, Michelle Callahan? Is Joran van der Sloot too dug in now, remaining silent? Will he ever crack.MICHELLE CALLAHAN, PSYCHOLOGIST: I think he’s holding up, and he probable will continue to. I think that’s a good angle, to go at the others and see if he can get them to break. He’s got the support of his parents. He’s got no reason to roll over now.GRACE: Well, back to Anastasiya Bolton. Isn’t it correct, Anastasiya, that in Aruba, there's no plea bargaining? In other words, give the Kalpoe brothers a lighter sentence in order to get them to tell what happened that night.BOLTON: As far as I understand it, there is no plea bargaining. But as far as interrogations, the FBI is able to sit in on these interrogations, they're not able to ask questions, which is a big victory for the Holloways in this case, that the FBI can participate. But of course, since he’s not talking, I'm not sure what kind of help they're getting in the situation.GRACE: Very quickly, joining us now, Natalee's mother. Thank you for being with us, Beth.TWITTY: Hi, Nancy.GRACE: Hi, friend. Tell us why the return to Aruba.TWITTY: Oh, Nancy, I -- you know, I think -- at first, I was thinking why -- why leave Aruba? But it was the best thing that I have done. It really -- you know, I couldn’t see that it was necessary, but once I stepped outside and I was really able to get a clearer picture of everything that has happened, and really get, you know, specific details of the investigation that I can, you know, really go back in my mind. And it was just -- it was just great, and I felt like I came back to Aruba with a lot more information and -- you know, and just to begin at the beginning of the investigation, and that’s huge.GRACE: Beth, what is it that you see more clearly now?TWITTY: Well, I think, just starting from the beginning. you know, we were always concerned at the circumstances surrounding Carlos and Charlie's and just how Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot were able to get her out of there. And I know definitively, Nancy, that Natalee -- there was a mass exodus. And I'm so proud of Katherine and Claire for coming on. And you know, as it came closing time for Carlos and Charlies, you know, there was a lot of confusion. There's a mass exodus of the kids, and they're all climbing in the back of cabs.And Natalee Holloway had absolutely no idea that she was getting into a car, anything other than an Aruban cab driven by an Aruban cab driver.GRACE: Beth, don’t move. We'll be back with Natalee's mother. Stay with us.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)GRACE: The reward for Natalee's safe return, $1 million, $100,000 for info on her whereabouts. Call toll-free 877-628-2533.Very quickly, to Natalee's uncle, Paul Reynolds. Paul, do you see the investigation taking a positive turn?PAUL REYNOLDS, NATALEE'S UNCLE: It has to, Nancy. We’ve seen some increase in the intensity, but you know, we’re not done. Beth was able to go home and interview some people and get some new information, and that’s what needs to be done here. More witnesses need to be interviewed, friends, family, business associates of the family. The investigation has to continue to intensify, and not just interrogations, that is an important part of it, but getting information from the community.GRACE: You know, too, Beth, Natalee's mother, what new information did you learn back in the States?TWITTY: Well, not only how the night unfolded at Carlos and Charlies, but even prior to that. This 11:00 PM pick-up on May the 29th - - I was able to speak with a witness also that said that Joran van der Sloot -- they were offering to give him a ride home at 11:00 PM on the 29th, but he didn't need one because he had already called Deepak and Satish Kalpoe to pick him up. So that is something that -- you know, we know that Paul van der Sloot did not pick him up at 11:00 PM on the 29th. We know now that correct pick-up time was 4:00 AM on the 30th, and Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked them up.GRACE: So Beth, they're all just lying through their teeth.TWITTY: Well, I think they’ve been doing that since -- let’s see. Let’s go back to May 30 at around 3:00 AM.GRACE: You know, Beth, you stated to the press that you were going back to Aruba, ready to fight. Those were your words. What do you mean?TWITTY: Well, I mean, just ready to go back to the beginning of this investigation. Like, Paul and I were speaking that -- you know, we’ve got to go back to what we know. And the facts are that those three individuals and the father have knowledge, and they have got to come forward with it. I mean, they see what we have been put through, the entire world, as we’re (ph) watching for the last two months. And we’ve just got -- we’ve gotten a huge commitment of involvement from the FBI, which is wonderful, Holland’s involvement. But the four individuals have to come on.GRACE: Beth Holloway, with us tonight, Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway-Twitty, her uncle, Paul Reynolds. Our prayers are with you.
On 8-3 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated it is her theory that NATALEE got into Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE's car thinking it was one of the many taxi’s that were there when “Carlos 'N Charlie's" closed.” BETH also said she will be meeting with new Police commissioner E. SOEMERS soon
On 8-3 the hearing before a judge was held to decide about the defense attorney’s complaint that the F.B.I. Should not be allowed to read any of the ARUBAN Police files about the case. Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE were at the hearing but Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE was not required to attend.
On 8-3 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that the ARUBAN authorities have issued a warrant for T. J. WARD to report to the ARUBA authorities, supposedly, because T. J. WARD has been working in ARUBA for NATALEE and her Loved Ones without his obtaining a work permit. TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that authorities have received complaints about T. J. WARD “knocking on doors and speaking with people.” TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that T. J. WARD would probably be deported from ARUBA.
On 8-3 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that the gardener witness who saw Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE , and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE at the pond is an illegal alien. TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that the gardener will also be in court on 8-4 for questioning by the judge and all attorneys involved in the case. TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that he will probably be deported from ARUBA but authorities have already taken his statement.
On 8-3 JOSSY MANSUR stated that not only is Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT being silent and not answering questions of the DUTCH behavior specialists interrogators, but at times, he is also covering his ears to keep from hearing what they say/ask. MANSUR also reported that as of 8-6 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT will be 18 and instead of being a minor and his parents being able to meet with him every day for unlimited time, his parents will only be able to meet with him once a week for a very short time.
On 8-3 JOSSY MANSUR stated that the landfill searchers have found what they think is the blue kiddie pool that the landfill witness said was put over the body.
On 8-3 FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN stated that as of now, she does not think anyone will be charged with a crime.
On 8-3 ART WOOD stated to FOX News that the pond witness he found saw Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE , and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE in the silver “Honda” near the pond “shortly before 3 A.M.”
On 8-3 TROMP told the “AP,” “We thought we could solve this in a couple of days, but it turned out to be very difficult. In my 30 years as a Police officer, I've never had a case like this." Tromp said he is convinced Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was involved in Holloway's May 30 disappearance. He said the Dutch teenager, who has maintained his innocence, has changed his account of what happened that night more than 10 times. "We are still fighting. We are still positive we are going to break this thing," When asked how long could it take, TROMP said, "I don't have a crystal ball," he said. "And as the days pass by, it's becoming more difficult." "Not Joran, not Paul, not anybody has had special treatment in this case.”
On 8-3 a man whose first name is RAOUL stated to FOX News that he is a good friend of the landfill witness (who wants to remain anonymous), and the two men worked together about 4 years ago. RAOUL stated the landfill witness is married and stable, and is an illegal alien. RAOUL stated the landfill witness is not crazy and believes very strongly what he saw. After RAOUL learned about his friend seeing the woman’s buried body and the landfill witness saying he was only reaching an ARUBAN Police answering machine, RAOUL stated he kept urging the landfill witness to keep phoning the ARUBAN Police, which the landfill witness did. The same day he saw Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE , and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE bury the blonde-haired nude woman in the landfill he also saw all 3 Murder Suspects being shown on TV. When he saw them on TV he phoned the ARUBAN Police and told them he had seen the 3 suspects shown on TV at the landfill burying a woman’s body, but the ARUBAN Police did not go to the landfill and check for a body right away. RAOUL stated when he saw the 3 Murder Suspects they had a shovel, they used the shovel to remove the “sand” in the landfill and they dug the hole. It was windy, and at one point the wind blew open the black garbage bag the woman’s body was in and he could see about half of her nude body and blonde hair. RAOUL stated, "He see the half the body and I told you the hair was muddy and the skin was like purple.” They then buried the woman, and then covered her up with the “sand,” and afterwards they put the blue kiddie pool over where they buried her body. RAOUL stated that on the day Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE , and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE buried the woman’s body they did not need a permit to enter the landfill, so the white truck they drove just entered the landfill. The landfill witness even told the landfill manager about the buried body and urged him not to disturb or drive a bulldozer over the area where the body was so the ARUBAN Police could find the body when they came to the landfill.
8-4-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?
On 8-4 ARUBAN Police official TROMP told the “AP,” “We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy. In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do." Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what Investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?"
On 8-4 FOX News interviewed the landfill witness, whose name is JUNIOR. On a Sunday or Monday (either 5-29, 5-30, or 6-5, 6-6) at approximately 4:30 PM to 5:00 PM JUNIOR was alone in the landfill when he noticed 3 males who had driven into the landfill in a white pickup truck that had “a trailer in the back.” When JUNIOR noticed the 3 males in the pickup truck he also noticed there was a red jeep near the pickup truck containing a man and a brunette-haired woman. There was also a yellow station-wagon-like vehicle nearby. The 3 males took out of the pickup truck a large black, plastic garbage bag. A strong gust of wind blew open a black plastic garbage bag that the 3 males took out of the truck and set on the ground, and JUNIOR saw what he first thought was a coconut tree inside the garbage bag. The wind continued to blow, and JUNIOR then noticed the long blonde hair of a nude woman blowing some in the wind. JUNIOR could see approximately half of the nude, blonde-haired woman. (In an 8-1 ABC interview JUNIOR’s friend said JUNIOR had told him that her skin was purplish in color) “Junior” was 75 to 80 meters away from the blonde-haired woman in the garbage bag. After seeing the dead woman, JUNIOR felt that something was wrong, and that “more people kept coming from nearby.” JUNIOR watched the 3 men use a shovel to dig a hole and bury the blonde-haired woman, still in the black plastic bag. JUNIOR stated that during he also viewed that the man in the red jeep had gotten out of the jeep and was standing and watching the 3 males. JUNIOR saw the 3 males stop periodically as if to ask the man from the red jeep questions while they dug the hole for the woman’s body. The man from the red jeep motioned with his hands and seemed to be directing the 3 males. When asked his level of certainty for what he saw, JUNIOR stated, “Yes, I am really sure. That’s why I think today, ‘I’m sure, I’m sure.’ I have no doubt in my mind.” One day after he witnessed the burying of the long blonde-haired woman in the landfill, JUNIOR stated he first saw the photo taken inside “Carlos 'N Charlie's" showing Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE , and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE all together. The first time he viewed the photo of the 3 Murder Suspects together, JUNIOR immediately recognized Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE , and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE to be the exact same males he saw the day before burying the blonde-haired woman in the landfill. When he also saw Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT on TV, JUNIOR recognized him as the man who drove the red jeep and seemed to be directing the 3 Murder Suspects when they buried the nude, blonde-haired woman. He then tried repeatedly to phone the ARUBAN Police, but kept receiving a pre-recorded message. JUNIOR told a male friend and a woman friend, who urged him to keep trying day and night to speak with the ARUBAN Police. JUNIOR kept phoning the ARUBAN Police day and night, and then decided to leave a recorded message tip. Lawyer ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER (member of the "Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force") claimed she “had been told” that after seeing the 3 Main Murder Suspects on TV after their arrests that JUNIOR did, indeed, provide to the ARUBAN Police a recorded message simply saying that the ARUBAN Police needed to check the garbage landfill for NATALEE‘s body. According to ELLIS-SCHIPPER, when the ARUBAN Police finally showed up at the landfill a day or two after JUNIOR provided his message, the ARUBAN Police only manually searched the area for a short time, but the ARUBAN Police did not use a bulldozer or backhoe to move any garbage nor dig any holes to search.
Here is a transcript of the 8-4 interview of JUNIOR by FOX News GRETA van SUSTEREN:
(JUNIOR spoke in a SPANISH accent and his words were translated by an interpreter)
VAN SUSTEREN: What did you see?
JUNIOR: There were three who came before in a pickup truck. Then one was already there on the field. Then this other man and a woman along with two gentlemen in the back came. Yes, there was a woman--a woman who was brunette. There were two men in the back on the Jeep; also, there was a yellow car there.
VAN SUSTEREN: What time of day?
JUNIOR: This happened, well, at the time I saw them bury her it turns out that was the body of Natalee, the girl. At that time I thought it was just a tree--a coconut tree. That is what I thought. She was wrapped in plastic--covered in plastic--but there was a breeze and the bag sort of fell half way off and I saw half the body naked. It was a black plastic bag, and the woman was wearing no clothes. She had no clothes on. She was naked, just half her body I saw. I was by myself at that time at the place where we dump the garbage. How far? I was approximately seventy-five to eighty meters away. This was afternoon--4:30, 5:30--between 4:30 and 5:30. I, I felt there was something wrong, but more people kept coming from nearby. There was another car with a woman. The yellow car had a woman there, too, so, I thought there was nothing… Total, there were three cars; the pickup with the small trailer in the back, then there was a Jeep, and a yellow station wagon.
VAN SUSTEREN: When did he first call anybody about it?
JUNIOR: I called the Police, …that was… that happened on Monday or Sunday because at that time the picture of the guys they were looking for had not been published in the paper yet. That is right. And then I recognized them immediately when I saw the picture. I felt--one day later I called the Police. I was saying, you know, you just want to call, and call, and call, and call--day and night--I kept calling but I kept getting a tape.
VAN SUSTEREN: What is his level of certainty?
JUNIOR: Am I certain? Yes, I am really sure. That is why I think, today, “I’m sure, I’m sure. I have no doubt in my mind.” Yes. Also the father, I believe, yes, yes. Also him. I was even more sure it was this girl because now there were two cars. The Police have two cars--the red Jeep, which… I saw that. I saw that because the red Jeep was fine, but that came later, that was the next day. I was near the place where she was buried--may she rest in peace. I was there, maybe, nine days later.
VAN SUSTEREN: If there were three, does the father make four, or, is the father one of the three?
JUNIOR: The father came in the Jeep. He got out of the car. He was standing there and he was pointing and asking things. I was working, you know, but he was far and he was talking. I was just working and looking. He kept asking if everything was okay. Yes, they asked him. I thought that they were asking him, that is what I thought they were doing, asking him, “Where? Where?”
VAN SUSTEREN: Have the Police interviewed him (JUNIOR) yet?
JUNIOR: The Police they have come to me and I pointed them to the place and they went for my message but never got it. They did not come back. This was in my mind and kept bothering me. I said this all to a friend of mine who lives nearby. I told her what happened and I said, "No one believes me."
VAN SUSTEREN: What, exactly, did he see of the body?
JUNIOR: Half body. I saw half the body and the hair flying in the wind--blowing in the wind. Then I was for sure because had it have been a coconut tree, then we would have seen the roots of it. You could see that, you know, it would move, but her hair was blowing. I saw half her body and it was naked. She was like this (demonstrating posture), with her legs like this.
On 8-4 JOSSY MANSUR stated that JUNIOR has taken a polygraph “and seems to have passed successfully.” MANSUR stated one of the private Investigators hired (“Diario’s” or NATALEE’s Loved Ones?) administered the polygraph. MANSUR stated that JUNIOR is helping every day in the landfill search, but the ARUBAN Police are still not helping, at all, in the landfill search, and that MANSUR is helping to provide the heavy equipment.
On 8-4 "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON said that 2 dogs used at the landfill search “had mild hits,” and they would continue at the landfill. "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON also said that the MANSUR’s are paying for the equipment being utilized to search the landfill, and that "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON would still like more equipment and operators from the ARUBA government and/or landfill owners, neither of which has been helping in the landfill search. To date, they have dug down approximately 15’ to 18’ and are staying in an area where the date on found newspapers is the first week in June. "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON said as they are going deeper and deeper, the dogs are getting more and more hits. "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON said that, to his knowledge, medical waste on the island is supposed to be incinerated. "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON also said, “Right now, the landfill is our last lead. If we get any other leads we will be back to search.”
On September 15, 2005 SKEETERS stated to NBC about the lie detector tests that SKEETERS administered to JUNIOR, “We did the test four times with the same results all four times. This particular testimony with this individual had a lot of red flags. We come to find out he's a cocaine addict and has been for 30 years.” “What the polygraph shows is that you really did not see the body being buried on that day. It was a week later when he read in the paper and then he remembered.” He continues, “This individual is not just deceptive, he's extremely deceptive. He’s lying. He’s lying through his teeth.”
On September 15, 2005 DAVE HOLLOWAY returned to ARUBA for a planned 4 or 5 days. He wants to meet with his attorney SOUSA, ARUBAN Police Investigators, and the prosecutor, ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN. He is still suspicious of the pond/”Marriott Beach”/”Aruba Racquet Club” area where the gardener witness said he saw the Murder Suspects, and the landfill. DAVE HOLLOWAY stated he was present when the landfill witness, JUNIOR, passed a voice-stress polygraph test.
On 8-4 the DUTCH behavior specialists interrogators from the NETHERLANDS interrogated Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. Among other things, the interrogators will “observe his body language and look for inconsistencies in his account of what happened the night Holloway disappeared,” Police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said. With his lawyers, Police escorted Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT from his San Nicolas “KIA” prison on the eastern side of the island to the Oranjestad Police station for the interrogations.
On 8-4 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT is still not talking during his questioning, and is, literally, covering his ears when the interrogators are with him.
On 8-4 ARUBA government spokesman TRAPENBERG claimed that T. J. WARD’s problem is just a technicality, and T. J. WARD just needs to get an ARUBA work permit. TRAPENBERG also claimed there are 500+ persons in the ARUBAN Police department, and 23 are investigating NATALEE’s disappearance. He claimed that the ARUBA government has no bulldozers nor backhoes to help “Texas EquuSearch” search the landfill.
On 8-4 T. J. WARD said he has found another new witness who witnessed events on 5-30 at the pond. T. J. WARD also said that there are now 5 or 6 other private Investigators working the case, and one of them may have impersonated T. J. WARD.
On 8-4 DAVID KOCK said, "Nobody wants for the case to go away. People want this case to be solved. No one more than Natalee's family.”
On 8-4 PAUL said, "No there is no end. We are cycling back and forth, jobs and families. We're not going to leave.”
On 8-4 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to CBS, "I don't know if they killed her. I don't know if they traded her. I don't know. I don't have any idea."
On 8-4 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated she wishes she could talk with her daughter. "She knows my message, that we are doing everything we possibly can, and we are determined to stay with this and to keep the pressure on."
On 8-4 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that no one has assured her that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT will be charged with anything by September 4, 2005.
On 8-4 PAUL REYNOLD’s reported that BETH was approached by a young woman who had been in ARUBA last April. The young woman told BETH that while at “Carlos 'N Charlie's" she had observed Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s “predatory habits.”
On 8-4 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated she met an AMERICAN 18-year-old blonde woman in ARUBA who had contact with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT in April 2005. (The woman is from NJ, and was with her mother when she and BETH first met) The young woman told BETH that while at “Carlos 'N Charlie's" she had observed Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s “predatory habits.” The woman was with 2 of her friends at “Carlos 'N Charlie's" when Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT approached her and her friends repeatedly and relentlessly inside, and he kept trying to impress them. He pointed out Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE sitting in the same seats as shown in the infamous photo of the 3 and told the woman that they were his gambling friends. Another short friend of his came up and was telling the women how rich he was and what a great athlete. He appeared to have an open tab at the bar. When “Carlos 'n Charlies" closed (at 12 AM that night because there was a large fight the previous night), Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT followed the women and was trying very hard to get them to go with him and continue partying at another bar. The women declined his advances. This woman has not yet spoken to Police, but BETH thinks she should speak to the Police Investigators and the prosecutor.
On 8-4 ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN said that the gardener witness did not appear in court on 8-4, and there will be another attempt to find him.
On 8-4 JOSSY MANSUR stated that the gardener witness, a Columbian, has been threatened with eviction, and loss of his job. JOSSY MANSUR stated a the DUTCH judge from Curacao has flown to ARUBA to get the gardener’s statements and question him because the gardener witness is going to leave.
On 8-4 JOSSY MANSUR stated the license plate of the pickup truck that JUNIOR saw at the landfill has been traced to a Chevrolet “Malibu.” JOSSY MANSUR stated that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT now has 5 or 6 additional lawyers on call, one of which was Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT ’s lawyer.
On 8-4 LINDA ALLISON was speaking about private Investigator T. J. WARD like he was still working for NATALEE and her Loved Ones and T. J. WARD was still on the island.
On 8-4 CNN reported that it has become public that recently an ARUBAN government-employed park ranger accused and complained that on 7-29 “Texas EquuSearch” destroyed a turtle eggs nesting location in their search efforts. “Texas EquuSearch” denies they were ever even in the location.
On 8-4 CNNHN reported:
NANCY GRACE, HOST: … And we go live to Aruba. Natalee Holloway's mom turns the heat up on Aruban authorities. Are they covering up a murder by an Aruban judge’s son, Joran van der Sloot? Good evening, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace. And I want to thank you for being with us tonight. It is day 67 in the Natalee Holloway missing girl case. Judge’s son and chief suspect Joran van der Sloot goes day three of intense questioning.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF MISSING GIRL: The facts are that those three individuals and the father have knowledge, and they have got to come forward with it. I mean, they see what we have been put through, the entire world, as we’re watching, for the last two months. And we’ve just got -- we’ve gotten a huge commitment of involvement from the FBI, which is wonderful, Holland’s involvement. But the four individuals have to come on.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. Beth Holloway, down in Aruba, searching for her daughter. She says she vows to continue to fight.Tonight, in Aruba, Natalee Holloway's uncle, Paul Reynolds, is with us. And managing director and editor of "Diario" newspaper, Jossy Mansur. But first to WBMA reporter Anastasiya Bolton. Anastasiya, bring me up to date. This is another day of an intense questioning for Joran van der Sloot.ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA-TV: Absolutely, Nancy, another day, the third day of intense questioning, but interrogators are getting nowhere absolutely, they tell me. They still say he’s being uncooperative. Joran van der Sloot has been questioned all day. They can question him from early in the morning and late into the night. But the prosecutor and the judge in this case are saying maybe he needs his health checked, but they're not elaborating on why exactly they're saying that.GRACE: His health checked? Oh, I don’t like...BOLTON: Apparently.GRACE: I don’t like the way this is going at all! Jossy Mansur, his health checked?JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": I don’t think so. The reports we have of him in prison is that he looks OK, he looks down, but that he looks healthy.GRACE: Well, Jossy, didn't you tell me the other night that during all this questioning, Joran van der Sloot, the judge’s son, will sit there with his hands over his ears?MANSUR: Yes. It comes to a point where he doesn't want to answer any more questions, his silence was sufficient, then he tell these people that he doesn't want to even hear the questions. His puts his hands to his ears...GRACE: Oh!MANSUR: ... covers them like a kid.GRACE: What, monkey hear no evil, monkey see no evil, monkey speak no evil. I'm sorry, Jossy, what were you saying? I decided to pretend I couldn’t hear. And the Aruban authorities are letting him get away with this, pretending he can’t hear? He actually sits there like that during questioning?MANSUR: As I understand it, as a juvenile, he has the right to remain silent.GRACE: Well, OK. You know, there's a good question. Anastasiya Bolton, even adults in Aruba have the right to remain silent, I would assume. Isn’t he about to turn 18? Oh, there he goes! See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil!BOLTON: Nancy, I want to point out that when he turns 18 on Saturday, his parents, especially his dad, I'm sure, who's visiting him almost every day, will not be able to visit him as often. The parents will only be able to have visitations once a week, and that will start on Saturday.GRACE: Well, you know -- psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall is with us. Bethany, the reality is this. He’s already been instructed by his father. The father and mother are visiting him frequently. According to Jossy Mansur with "Diario," he sits there with his hands over his ears, pretending he can’t hear. That's not going to change. He is dug in. He’s not cracking. They’ve got to go to the Kalpoe brothers!BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: I think so, too, because when you take a look at the whole -- the whole course of this case, this kid, Joran van der Sloot, has total disregard for authority. He had disregard on the night that he met Natalee. If you look at all of his late-night carousing, staying up until 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning, he does not have respect for rules.So, yes, I think they have to bring in the Kalpoe brothers. They need to use better interrogation techniques and get them to turn against each other. And also, he’s getting so much support by the dad. That has to be removed.GRACE: Well, you know, Anne Bremner, I feel confident that they are going to let this case go cold down there and they're going to let this judge’s son walk. Come September the 4th, that’s the day, if they don’t have charges formally filed, he walks, Anne!ANNE BREMNER, TRIAL ATTORNEY: He does, Nancy. You’re absolutely right. And nothing from nothing leaves nothing. There's nothing in this case. And he’s given so many statements, 22, we’ve heard, you know, that it's almost -- it's almost reminiscent, though, Nancy, of, like, the old cases of the bare lightbulb swinging in the wind. I mean, how many times can you go to someone and say, Say it, say it, when they're, like, you know, La, la, la, la, la? I mean, that’s what he’s doing.So the case is over unless they immunize somebody and say, Will you turn on your co-defendant or your co-accused? But you know, you’re always right, and you’re especially right in this instance, Nancy.GRACE: Paul Reynolds, how do you think the questioning is going right now? We’ve got the questioning of Joran van der Sloot still going on. We’ve got the search of the landfill still going on. What is your take on it?PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF MISSING GIRL: Well, I'm glad we are interrogating Joran some more. I think that is absolutely necessary, and to continue doing it. I think, you know, people need to be questioned in addition to Joran. The Kalpoe brothers, certainly, we think have information, but we think there's also other people that have information.GRACE: Like who?REYNOLDS: My sister -- well, just, you know, take, for example -- my sister, Beth, visited with some of the kids that were on the trip last weekend when she was home. She found out a lot of information about that night and particulars about what was happening, you know, possibly why things happened the way they did. And then there's another girl that came forward to my sister this week, a young girl that was on vacation here last April, that kind of demonstrated a pattern of predatorship that Joran had establish there at Carlos and Charlies.And you know, in the same manner that this information has come forward, even two months later, other information from people on the island can come forward. We know there are people out there that have this information, and we’re making a public appeal for them to come forward with that.GRACE: You know what's amazing to me, Anastasiya Bolton -- Anastasiya is with WBMA -- that people are actually complaining that Texas EquuSearch -- everybody, if you didn't already know, a special team of searchers has flown down on their own dime to Aruba to try to find Natalee. People there in Aruba were actually complaining, Anastasiya, that Texas EquuSearch dislodged some sea turtle eggs!BOLTON: Yes, a park ranger reported, and Associated Press is quoted as saying that the Texas EquuSearch group, while searching a remote beach on July 29, did destroy an endangered turtles' nest. The Texas EquuSearch group vehemently denies it. They say they never dug there. They say they just went around the area. They say they’ve done no damage whatsoever. So the parties, at this point, are at odds.But by the way, Texas EquuSearch is staying on the island through the end of the week, still searching the landfill. They still have one more location outside of the landfill to search. Still, they say, no help from the government that said, You know what? We'll give you some equipment. No help whatsoever, they tell me today.GRACE: Jossy Mansur, I cannot believe that the Aruban government is complaining about a sea turtle egg being dug up on the beach, when this team is there with no help from the Aruban government, trying to find clues about Natalee!MANSUR: Well, I can’t speak for the government because I'm not in government. And I don’t believe the government did this. This is a park ranger that may work for some part of the government, but I haven’t heard...GRACE: A park ranger...MANSUR: ... any complaint...GRACE: ... that works for the government actually came down on Texas EquuSearch for an egg, a turtle egg! Yes, That's what they're having to deal with!I'm going to ask Paul Reynolds. Have the Aruban government given Texas EquuSearch any help, like they promised they would?REYNOLDS: You know, we had problems, especially in the beginning. And you know, I talked to some people today about this incident about the turtle eggs. You know, the people at EquuSearch are great people and very ecologically-minded. They certainly would never have intentionally endangered any turtle eggs. There's absolutely no evidence that they did. You know, what -- the park ranger has come forward and said that something happened to them. You know, he didn't see EquuSearch do anything, but they're saying that they think that EquuSearch was the only people in there at that time.GRACE: Well, I don’t want to get bogged down in a turtle egg right now. I want to find out from you, Jossy Mansur, how the search of the landfill is going?MANSUR: It's going very well. They’ve covered a lot of territory. They have a lot still to go. One important thing is that the witness that pointed out this pick-up dropping a body over there is participating in the search. The man was checked out very totally, and his story sticks like gum.GRACE: Interesting. Bethany Marshall, why would a guy who is lying about seeing someone dumping a body there at the landfill be out there searching in this heat if he wasn’t convinced he saw something?MARSHALL: Well, I think it's important to think about the witnesses in this case and why they have all come forward later on because, as I said in another show, in third-world countries, sometimes witnesses are afraid to come forward. And in the case of Jossy Mansur, who did the wonderful detective work -- he found the witnesses, and he gave them some verbal assurance that the magazine would stand behind them. I think with those types of verbal guarantees and with national attention, some of these witnesses feel that they now can participate in the search with some type of immunity.GRACE: And very quickly, Daniel Horowitz -- I’ve got to go to break - - but remember the Lori Hacking case and the landfill issue? That took two-and-a-half months to find any sign of Lori Hacking, but they did.DANIEL HOROWITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I know. What concerns me, Nancy, is if this a dead end, it's taking so much of the limited Aruban resources. We may be missing...GRACE: Oh, please! They're not doing anything.HOROWITZ: Well, I know. This is about all they're doing, and it could be just sifting through garbage for nothing. Let’s -- you know, it's a waste of energy, possibly.
8-5-05
If the ARUBAAN's already had a backhoe available at the dump that DAVE HOLLOWAY and MEL saw on 9-20-05 digging, why was it never used to help during the searches there?
On 8-5 the DUTCH judge ruled that the F.B.I. Will continue to be given complete access to all ARUBAN Police investigation records. Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s lawyer said the decision would be appealed on 8-8.
On 8-5 the DUTCH behavior specialists interrogators from the NETHERLANDS interrogated Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT.
On 8-5 FIERMAN told FOX News that on 5-29 NATALEE and the girls arrived at the “Excelsior Casino” at about 9:30 to 10:00 PM. They were playing blackjack with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT who did not seem to be hitting on any of the girls. FIERMAN said that he arrived at “Carlos 'N Charlie's" at 12:00 AM. FIERMAN also said that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had lied and told the girls that he was a soccer player who lived and went to school in HOLLAND, and that he was a 19-year-old.
On 8-5 MANSUR reported that the DUTCH behavior specialists interrogators from the NETHERLANDS say that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT is starting to talk.
On 8-5 CNN reported that a bird sanctuary was searched by “Texas EquuSearch” today.”
On 8-5 "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON said that their permit to search the landfill expired today and they will be renewing it on 8-8.
On August 6, 2005 FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN stated that she spoke to a reporter in Aruba who told her that the ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN admitted to him on 8-5 that her case was in trouble.
On 8-5 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that all interrogations with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT are videotaped. TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that his lawyers are present but they cannot speak nor interfere with the interrogators. TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that one of his lawyers, RICK DAVID KOCK, went on vacation today.
On 8-5 TROMP said that the landfill witness, JUNIOR, will not give testimony before the judge because authorities do not believe him. "We've checked it out a few times and don't think the account is credible,” TROMP said.
On 8-5 the “New York Daily News” reported, “Aruba cops and the F.B.I. are said to be looking to the porn world for leads. Paul Barresi, a former adult-film producer who's now a private eye, says he heard about the possible inquiry from "another 'recruiter' who scouts South America for porn talent.”
On 8-5 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to CBS, “I don't know if they killed her. I don't know if they traded her. I don't know. I don't have any idea." So she's starting to spread her message to neighboring countries like Venezuela and Colombia, says Natalee's mother, "just in case they somehow managed to get her off this island.” “I wish Natalee would have been able to see Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and seen that those three were so tightly connected. She didn't have that privilege. All she thought she was doing was getting in an Aruban cab with an Aruban cab driver.”
On 8-5 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated she had 3 meetings today; with the FBI, the ARUBA prosecutor, and her ARUBAN attorney. The prosecutor said she is confident “the case is moving forward,” and that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT now has 9 attorney’s defending him. (BETH wonders several things; Who are these 9 lawyers really protecting besides Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ? Who is paying for these 9 lawyers? What is the bigger picture?, How can a 17-year-old--on his own--be running and manipulating the entire investigation?, etc.)
On 8-5 ANITA VAN DER SLOOT claimed of her son, Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , “He had an academic scholarship. There was nothing that would irk this boy to something strange, because he had a brilliant future in front of him.”
On 8-5 CBS reported:
Judge Wants Aruba Witness in Court
(CBS/AP) A judge has asked for sworn testimony from a man who claims he saw a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway driving with two friends on the night the U.S. teenager was last seen in public, the lead Investigator in the case said Friday. Authorities believe the testimony will support allegations that the suspect, Joran van der Sloot, has given contradictory statements about Holloway's disappearance two months ago, said Lt. Roy Tromp."The judge wants to hear his statement, take it under oath. Then the prosecution can use it," Tromp told The Associated Press.Separately, a judge was expected to rule Friday on a petition by the defense to prohibit Aruban authorities from sharing information with the FBI, which gained access to material about the case at the urging of the island's prime minister.It was not known when the potential witness, whose name has not been disclosed, would appear before the judge. The hearing would not be open to the public.The Investigator said the man told Police that he saw van der Sloot, who is in Police custody, driving near a pond by the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. on May 30, and that at the time he was with two Surinamese brothers who were detained and later released.The account is significant because van der Sloot told authorities that he was already at home by 2:30 a.m. and that he had left the missing teen, unharmed, at a beach near the Marriott.Based on the witness account, Police partially drained the pond but found no evidence.Another alleged witness, who claimed he saw men dumping a woman's body at a landfill on the Dutch Caribbean island, will not testify because authorities do not believe him."We've checked it out a few times and don't think the account is credible," Tromp said.Holloway was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot and the two brothers on the final night of a high school graduation trip with 124 classmates to Aruba. Authorities and volunteers have made extensive searches of the island but found no trace of the missing teen.
CBS News Correspondent Mike Kirsch reports that Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway-Twitty, remains steadfast in her belief that suspect Joran van der Sloot and his two friends, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, know more than they're telling about the disappearance of her daughter."I don't know if they killed her. I don't know if they traded her. I don't know. I don't have any idea," she told Kirsch (video).Although, it's been widely established that Natalee willingly left the nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, Kirsch reports that Twitty now says she thinks her daughter was tricked.Tromp said Investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island."We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do."Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what Investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished."Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.Paul van der Sloot, 52, was detained in June but released four days later. He has denied any involvement in the disappearance and has declined repeated requests for interviews.
On October 9, 2005 FOX News asked BETH, “How about your reaction to the news that when they searched the Joran's apartment, they failed to search the main house that was connected to his apartment that of course he had access to?,” BETH replied, “Oh, that bombshell was dropped the first week of August when I had a meeting with the prosecuting attorney. When I asked if the primary residence was searched, her response was ‘No.’ I could not believe it because Jug, Dave and I had known early on that in one of Joran's statements he specifically states he brings Natalee to his home at 1:40 am on the 30th.” When FOX News asked BETH “What is your thought on seeing Joran in Holland attending college like Natalee should be doing now?,” BETH replied, “My mind goes back to the judge that released Joran van der Sloot. I also think of now when I am hearing that it was the judge that the primary residence didn't need to be searched. I am wondering just how deep and just how far does Paul van der Sloot political connections go? Does it go to the judges that fly in from Curacao? Does it come from the Hague? Who are these people who are lobbying for Joran van der Sloot?"
On January 2, 2006 BETH shared entries from her personal journal that has been documented as related to the disappearance of NATALEE. BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News that on 6-12 an ARUBAN Police spokesperson, PAPITO (COMMENENCIA), told NATALEE’s Loved Ones that the ARUBAN Police had found evidence of blood in Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE's “Honda” car. The ARUBAN Police spokesperson said the ARUBAN Police were not 100% sure this substance was blood, but they do feel it was some sort of fluid, and the samples had been sent to HOLLAND for forensic tests. Nothing was heard about these samples sent to HOLLAND until 7-22, some 6 weeks later, when ARUBAN Police commissioner VAN DER STRATEN told NATALEE’s Loved Ones family liaison that the fluid found in the car is “unknown at this time,” but STRATEN also said that DNA was found in Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE's car. On 7-25 STRATEN still had no update on the “blood” tests. On 8-5 ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN “said it was untrue. There is no material that can reveal DNA.” (the interview ended when FOX News cut to breaking news about the coal miners trapped in a WEST VIRGINIA coal mine)
On August 17, 2005 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News that ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN told her on 8-5 that the Murder Suspect KALPOE’s D.N.A. samples will not be requested again.
On 8-5 the “National Ledger” reported:
Investigators Try New Technique in Natalee Holloway Case
Authorities in Aruba are set to use a new investigative technique in the case of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway. Reports indicate that police have called in behavioral experts to interview prime suspect Joran van der Sloot in an attempt to determine if the young man was responsible for Miss Holloway's disappearance.
Van Der Sloot remains in prison without charges in the unsolved case.
Indications are that three specialists from Holland are questioning the 17-year old van der Sloot, observing his body language and looking for inconsistencies in his story.
AP is reporting that the lead investigator, Lt. Roy Tromp, said he believes "that Joran is involved in the disappearance." He said the teen has offered 10 different versions of what happened the day Holloway disappeared.
Judge Demands Sworn Testimony
In a separate development a judge has asked for sworn testimony from a man who claims he saw a suspect in the disappearance of Miss Holloway driving with two friends on the night the Alabama teenager was last seen in public.
Authorities are hoping that the testimony will support allegations that the suspect, Joran van der Sloot, has given contradictory statements about Holloway's disappearance two months ago.
Anonymous witness
Beth Holloway Twitty told ABC that a young woman told her, like Natalee, she had met Joran van der Sloot and his friends, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, in an Aruban bar while on vacation.
WTOK quotes Natalee's mom extensively.
A young, beautiful, blonde 18-year-old tourist, she happened to be at Carlos and Charlie's late; it was getting close to closing time," said Twitty.
"He approaches these three tourists and it's just interesting how he just instantly begins to try to connect with, begin to try to relate with them," Twitty said. "And he was telling these girls that those are his gambling buddies, that they play poker together. And then he proceeds to lean across the bar and tell the bartender, "I need four shots of [Bacardi] 151.'
"He just leans across the bar; the bartender just lines up four shots of 151. These girls had no idea. It makes me wonder, is this the shot he was buying my daughter right before closing time? A shot of 151?"
http://www.wtok.com/news/headlines/1652701.html
She continues:
"Natalee would have been able to see that those three were tightly connected. She didn't have that privilege. All she thought was she was getting into an Aruban cab. She didn't have a chance. She didn't stand a chance."
A witness like this likely won't help the case. But if her testimony is true, it may establish a pattern.
Joran van der Sloot turns eighteen on Saturday. He will be released from custody on September 4 unless police in Aruba can somehow crack this case.
Natalee Holloway has been missing since May 30.
On 8-5 CNNHN reported:
NANCY GRACE, HOST: … And we go live to Aruba, day 68 in the Natalee Holloway missing girl case. And questioning continues for the prime suspect, Joran van der Sloot. The Aruban judge's son could walk free in less than one month. Good evening, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace. And I want to thank you for being with us tonight. Day 68 -- that's right, 6-8 -- in the Natalee Holloway missing girl case. Judge's son and chief suspect Joran van der Sloot still behind bars, undergoing Police questioning. If there is no break in this case, van der Sloot could walk free in less than a month.
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GRACE: If Joran van der Sloot continues to remain silent and no additional evidence is found, he could very well walk free September the 4th.Welcome back, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace. Let's go straight down to the story out of Aruba. Let's kick it off with WBMA-TV reporter Anastasiya Bolton. Anastasiya, bring us up to date.ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA-TV: Nancy, first of all, the judge ruled against the defense attorneys, against the Kalpoe and van der Sloot's attorney, when it comes to not allowing the FBI to participate in this investigation and have access to the files. The FBI will continue to have access to all the materials in this case.The judge also has asked that he wants a sworn testimony from a witness who says he saw Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive by the Marriott at 2:30 in the morning the night Natalee Holloway disappeared. It is unknown at this time when that sworn testimony is going to take place. But what the witness says is that he saw the three men drive by the Marriott. That's contrary to what Joran van der Sloot is saying. He says he was home by 2:30.Also, the chief Investigator in this case says Paul van der Sloot may be involved in this case. This is the first time we're hearing from an official that they suspect Paul van der Sloot may be involved. They say something went wrong with the girl. Who do you first call? You call your daddy. Of course, Paul van der Sloot was arrested, but he was released. He maintains he is innocent.GRACE: Now, hold on just a moment, Anastasiya. Everyone, Anastasiya is with us from WBMA-TV. What do you mean, someone has spoken out, an authority, regarding the judge being involved in Natalee's disappearance, an Aruban judge, Paul van der Sloot?BOLTON: Lieutenant Roy Tromp -- he's the lead Investigator in this case -- he says, quote, "Something went wrong with the girl, and when that happens, who do you call? You call daddy." He would not elaborate on exactly what Paul van der Sloot's relationship may be to this case, but he did say that they are suspecting Paul van der Sloot may have helped Joran van der Sloot do something with the possible body.GRACE: Well, you're taking a look at the judge, Paul van der Sloot, on the run. I'm not sure if it was Karl Pendergrass (SIC) or Susan Candiotti chasing him down the alley there, trying to get him to ask -- answer some questions they had asked. And you can see his response. If the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, Joran van der Sloot is reacting the same way during questioning.Take a listen to this.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: I was able to speak with a witness also that said that Joran van der Sloot -- they were offering to give him a ride home at 11:00 PM on the 29th, but he didn't need one because he had already called Deepak and Satish Kalpoe to pick him up. So that is something that -- you know, we know that Paul van der Sloot did not pick him up at 11:00 PM on the 29th. We know now that correct pick-up time was 4:00 AM on the 30th, and Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked them up.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: So are the father and the son like two peas in a pod when it comes to the truth in this case?To Jossy Mansur. He is the managing director and editor of "Diario" newspaper. Jossy, is it true that they are giving Joran van der Sloot the weekend off from questioning?JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": You know, I haven't heard anything about it. What I can tell you, though, is that today he did begin to speak and to answer questions to the three Dutch specialists in behavior. He has begun to talk. He has begun to cooperate, as of today. I think it's looking down at midnight, when his status changes from juvenile to adult.GRACE: Whoa! Jossy, now, where are you getting your information that he is now talking?MANSUR: Well, I can tell you this much. Besides the three Dutch behavioral...GRACE: Experts.MANSUR: ... specialists, we also have present the Aruba team of Investigators, and also some people from the FBI. So we do have contacts with people who are in there, doing the questioning.GRACE: Is the daddy, the judge, still sitting in there, too?MANSUR: No. No. This is completely apart. This belongs only to the authorities in charge.GRACE: With me by phone is Natalee's father, Dave Holloway. Dave, thank you for being with us. What's your reaction to reports that Joran van der Sloot is getting the weekend off from questioning?DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S FATHER: Well, anything -- that doesn't surprise me a bit at all.GRACE: Me, either.HOLLOWAY: You know, what can I say? You've seen everything on TV. You know, he's got a good coach. His daddy is a judge. And you know, it's -- all he's got to do is pay attention to his dad, and you know, there's a possibility that he could walk.GRACE: You know, Dave, I know you're intimately familiar with not only the facts but the law that will govern this case. Dave, September 4, if he doesn't have a formal charge, he's out of there. Other date to be familiar with is his birthday. Once he is of adult status, how will that change his case, Dave Holloway?HOLLOWAY: Well, I'm hoping when he turns 18, he'll be like anyone else. They'll limit his access to his father. You know, all along, you know, over the last 50 to 58 days since he's been in custody, he has almost daily visits from his father. And you know, he's an athlete. He's been coached as an athlete, and his father is a coach. And you know, he's going to coach him not to say anything or lead them off into a different direction. And that's what's happened all along is that he's kept his mouth shut and listened to his dad talk.So you know, they've come in with some behavior specialists. Hopefully, he has not hardened over the last 50 days under this intense interrogation, and maybe they'll get to the bottom of it. But you know, I fear that they're going to have some difficulties, as well.GRACE: I fear that, too. To forensic psychologist Dr. Michael Nuccitelli. Is there a way, after having silence ingrained by his father, the judge, a lawyer -- is there a way for them to crack him?NUCCITELLI: Well, yes. One way is to not give him the weekend off. I mean, anytime you do...GRACE: Yes!NUCCITELLI: ... interrogation, I mean, psychologically, the longer you do it...GRACE: OK, let's break for lunch now!NUCCITELLI: I'm sorry?GRACE: I was saying, OK, let's break for lunch.NUCCITELLI: OK.GRACE: Will it be croissants or baguettes?NUCCITELLI: Oh, yes, you're right, Nancy.GRACE: Right.NUCCITELLI: I mean, to give him the weekend off is preposterous. I mean, I would like to know what the rationale is. It makes no sense to me. Maybe it has something to do with Aruban law, or maybe they have a belief or a strategy, by giving him the weekend off, somehow it's going to trip him up. I haven't the slightest idea.GRACE: To Anastasiya Bolton with WBMA. With this lead Investigator saying that the father, the judge, is somehow involved, are you getting the sense, Anastasiya, it's involved in the sense of helping his son cover up, or that he received some other type of assistance from his dad?BOLTON: The lead Investigator is actually saying that Paul van der Sloot has been caught changing his story. So the lead Investigator questions, Why would you change your story if you're innocent? So you be the judge of that.GRACE: And Anastasiya, there's been a lot of discussion regarding the possibility Natalee could be on a neighboring island. Hey, Elizabeth (ph), do we have that map that we wanted to show the viewers? How far is Aruba from the neighboring islands and countries? There you go -- Aruba, Venezuela, the Netherlands Antilles.BOLTON: You can actually see the Venezuelan shore from Aruba. I have heard rumors of those reports, but the law enforcement denies that there's any truth to that.GRACE: Hey, hold that map for a moment. I have dived right off the shore of Netherlands Antilles, and all of us could see Aruba. You're absolutely right, now that I'm looking -- now that I'm looking at that map.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)HOLLOWAY: I went out to the prison and spoke directly with Paul van der Sloot, and you know, I don`t know whether I believe everything he said, but I did believe one thing, and that was that he would do everything he could to protect his son. And you know, these daily visits that he has, you know, you know as well as I do, he's going to be in there coaching and pumping his son, you know, just to keep on, keep on, and you'll eventually get out. Unless they isolate him and not allow him to have any visits with his parents, I just don't think we're going to get much more out of him.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: That's Natalee's father, Dave Holloway. We are live in Aruba tonight and the search for 18-year-old American girl, Natalee Holloway.To Jossy Mansur. Jossy is the managing director with "Diario" newspaper. Jossy, it seems to me that the father's involvement is looming larger and larger. What can you tell us?MANSUR: Definitely. I mean, he's told different stories to the Police while they were interrogating him the three days that he was held. We have all the witnesses that, more or less, place him at some places, like, for example, near the landfill. The witness places somebody that looks like him over there. And we know that he is -- besides being a substitute judge, he is also a professor of law at the University of Aruba. So he has been coaching his son very well as to what to say and not to say.GRACE: To Joe Episcopo, veteran trial lawyer out of the Florida jurisdiction. Joe, do you think there's any way -- you've handled a lot of homicide cases -- to crack this guy after all these days?EPISCOPO: Yes.GRACE: How?EPISCOPO: Well, first of all, let's talk about these dates.' September 4 can be extended to October 4, one extension. Then he's released. The true magic date is May 31, 2007, the statute of limitations.But think about this. Once he's released, he's out there free. He may get drunk some night. He's going to talk. He can't keep quiet if he's out there free. But if you got six lawyers telling you in jail to shut up, shut up, shut up, he'll shut up. But I think if he gets out, he's going to tell somebody something, and that's how the case will get cracked.GRACE: Ain't it the way? Alan Ripka, how many clients have you and Episcopo had that you could have gotten them off scot-free if they had just kept their pieholes shut?RIPKA: That's always what happens, Nancy. They talk too much and they sink themselves. But I'll tell you this, the way to crack this case is offer one of these suspects a deal that they cannot refuse, whether it be immunity or a short time in jail and probation, and let them stew on that a while, and I think that'll help.GRACE: You know, that sounds awfully sweet to me. Listen, sometimes you've got to go to hell to get the witnesses to put the devil in jail. It stinks. You've got to hold your nose to do it. Sometimes you've got to do it.But Joe Episcopo, in Aruba, you can't cut a plea deal.EPISCOPO: I know.GRACE: They don't do that.EPISCOPO: That's not how it'll work. Like I say, I think once he's out of jail, they have their best shot. He knows a lot of people on the island. Everybody knows him now. And everybody's going to be listening for him to say something. And you know what? It's pretty hard to keep your mouth shut when you're out there having fun, drinking and partying.GRACE: Oh, yes! And we also know, Alan Ripka, this guy, Joran van der Sloot, he's not afraid of a cocktail. Oh, no, he's not! He may be 18 years old, but was known to party at these casinos all night long, Alan.RIPKA: Yes, well, he may not be afraid of a cocktail, but he's kept his mouth closed for a long time, and these guys have withstood some major pressure, Nancy. So I don't know how easy it's going to be to hear these guys talking in some local bar.GRACE: And to Joe Huston with EquuSearch. We're very proud to have him with us tonight, EquuSearch there on their own dime, looking for Natalee. Joe, what do you do next? You're at the landfill now. How difficult is that? And what's your next plan of attack?JOE HUSTON, SEARCH DIRECTOR, EQUUSEARCH: Well, the landfill is an extremely difficult place to search for many reasons. One is a hazard to both, you know, humans and dogs. Number two, the size of it. Number three, there don't seem to be very good records on exactly where things were placed on certain days. We've had to search a huge area of the landfill, going primarily off the newspapers. We've had to dig down 16 to 18 feet through the topsoil to get down in those areas.The permit to dig in the landfill, unfortunately, expired at 7:00 o'clock tonight, and the minister who -- the director who's responsible for renewing it is out politicking today. So we couldn't get it renewed. It's my understanding that (INAUDIBLE) is going to be asking an extension starting Monday. And at that time, hopefully, we'll get better equipment. We've been basically doing this by hand with two backhoes, and we've excavated somewhere close to 40,000 to 45,000 square yards of garbage in seven days.GRACE: Joe, is there a number, if people want to donate to your cause, that they can?HUSTON: The best thing to do is to go on line and look for Texas EquuSearch. There's a place there they can actually donate via phone, and also through a credit car on line.GRACE: OK, and that is spelled Texas EquuSearch -- E-Q-U-U-S-E-A-R-C- H, right?HUSTON: Exactly, yes.GRACE: Texas EquuSearch.Very quickly, we're running out of time. This guy that claims he saw three people dumping something in the landfill, has he been out there directing you to the correct location?HUSTON: He has -- he has been there Since day one.GRACE: OK.HUSTON: And he is so adamant that's the place where they are -- where they dropped her.GRACE: Next, in a nutshell, is it true that EquuSearch was vilified over a sea turtle egg being displaced? You're looking for Natalee, for Pete's sake, and they're mad about an egg!HUSTON: I think it was more like 45 eggs. We weren't even close to the area that they said we were at. In fact, we had three different news crews with us...GRACE: Joe, save it!HUSTON: ... that morning...GRACE: Save it. I will make a cameo appearance as a defense lawyer and defend you on the turtle egg issue.Very quickly, to Dave Holloway. Dave is Natalee's father. Dave, what can you tell us about theories Natalee could be on one of these neighboring islands?HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, we've heard that from the get-go, so to speak. But you know, the FBI and the local authorities, within the first two weeks, they indicated that they're looking at this case from a murder standpoint, rather than a missing person on another island or whatever. I have not heard anything to the contemporary since approximately June the 14th, when they told us -- or June the 16th, somewhere around in there, when they told us that they're looking at this from a murder.GRACE: Dave Holloway, our prayers and our thoughts with you, as always, and Beth. And we'll stay on the case.
On 8-5, NATALEE’s Loved Ones posted a new reward of
US$ 1,000,000.00 for her safe return
US$ 250,000.00 already offered for a tip to her whereabouts
The additional US$ 150,000.00 has been donated by a man named, JOE MAMMANA. Most of the money has come from donors all over the United States. It is separate from funds being raised for a trust to pay for expenses incurred during the search for Holloway, now in its seventh week.
Previous donors include the Aruban government, local tourism organizations and the City of Mountain Brook, Alabama.
On 8-5 the National Enquirer” reported:
NATALEE WAS TARGET OF PORNO MOVIE MAKERSBy REBECCA MOWLING and DON GENTILEMissing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway was targeted by a porno ring in Aruba that wanted to use her in a sleazy sex movie, The National Enquirer can reveal.The chilling new theory from inside the police investigation into the disappearance of the 18-year-old honor student came as her mother Beth Twitty left the island for the first time in two months for a brief respite at home in Alabama."Police are looking into a well-known porn recruiter living in Aruba whom they want to question," said a source close to the investigation.They believe Natalee was singled out by pornographers with the help of Dutch-born Joran van der Sloot, 17, who lured her away from her friends after slipping her the drug ecstasy. But the plan went tragically wrong — Natalee died in an accident or of an overdose and the film-makers had to dispose of her body.Natalee vanished May 30 while on a high school graduation trip to Aruba with classmates from Alabama's Mountain Brook High School.She was last seen leaving the popular nightspot Carlos 'n' Charlie's in Oranjestad and getting in a car with Joran and his friends Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and his brother Satish, 18.One eyewitness said Natalee was heavily under the influence of drinks or drugs as she left the bar around 1 am. "She was totally wasted," the witness said. "I watched her hanging out of a car window screaming 'I love Aruba' and flashing her breasts."Police are examining the possibility that Joran — the last person to see her alive — was acting as a recruiter for a local porn baron. They have received reports that the Dutch teen was linked to a porn video that ended up on the internet. Joran was possibly targeting Natalee days before she disappeared.Although classmates said she met him at the Holiday Inn casino in the hours before he followed her to Carlos 'n' Charlie's, we learned that Natalee was introduced to Joran on the beach a few days earlier."Natalee didn't meet Joran for the first time the night she disappeared. People saw them hanging out on the beach together with a group of friends at the Holiday Inn," said a source.The source also claimed that Natalee and others enjoyed a "booze cruise" on which the high schoolers got so drunk that some were openly asking where they could buy illegal drugs.Police are investigating whether Joran scouted boozy tourist cruises for drunken women to pass on to the porn ring. As we reported last week, investigators have discovered more than 19 discrepancies in the statements given by 6 ft 5 in Joran about the night Natalee disappeared.For the full story, pick up this week's National Enquirer, on sale now.
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