Detailed Timeline.... July 11 - 15, 2005.... the start of the long road of the assassination of Aruba - Dutch "justice"

The Natalee Holloway Timeline

of her vanishment while in Aruba

detailing persons, places, organizations,
deliberate & accidental actions & in-actions,
events & supposed events, witnesses,
known suspects, outright lies,
corruptions, and crimes

7-11-05
TOM GLEBUS, a search and rescue person helping search for NATALEE in ARUBA wrote:

On July 8-12, 2005, VideoRay was invited by the Florida State University Underwater Crime Scene Investigation team to assist them in the search for Natalee Holloway in Aruba in underwater areas that have been otherwise inaccessible to search teams that were already there. These locations included a shoreline cave, a lagoon and a quarry. Texas EquuSearch is the organization that is leading the search effort. …
DAY 4 - July 11 Up at 5:30 and off to clear more of the lagoon. This time we were going to sweep the area that was supposed to be searched using the side scan sonar. The technique we decided to use was to run passes parallel to the bridge and use sonar to maintain a specific distance on each pass. I was able to field repair the sonar connection and planned to use it to assist in navigation. Initially, we operated the sonar at what might be considered standard settings. It was easy to see the bridge and shorelines. After searching for a while, we decided that visibility was good enough, and there were very few targets of interest that we would get an even better picture of the bridge and shoreline by increasing the gain and reducing the color scale. (I was amazed at how little trash there was in the water in an area next to a bridge - I expected to find cans, bottles, etc.) By increasing the gain and decreasing the color scale, we were able to make all areas in the water very bright as opposed to the dark bridge and shoreline areas. Jeff Huva and Kerri Bingham, two volunteer divers from Portland, OR assisted with the sonar during the operations. While I was watching the video, they called out directions to keep me at a constant distance from the bridge on each pass. They did an excellent job even though they had never operated sonar before. I could have used the Picture-in Picture capabilities of the system to watch the sonar and video at the same time, but I decided it would work better keeping the both visual and sonar image as large as possible to search for any evidence. Having a three person crew was ideal for this – one person operating the VideoRay, one on the sonar, and one on the tether.



On 7-11 DUTCH news-sourced “Expatica” reported:

Dutch Air Force ends Holloway searchAMSTERDAM — Three F-16 fighter jets are to return to base in the Netherlands after being withdrawn from the increasingly-frustrating search for missing US teen Natalee Holloway.The 18-year-old disappeared on 30 May while holidaying on Aruba with friends to celebrate their graduation from high school. Aruba is a Caribbean island of 71,000 people and an autonomous part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.Joran van der S., the 17-year-old son of a Dutch judge working on the island, has been in custody as the main suspect for weeks. The boy's father, two Surinamese brothers and a DJ have also been held briefly before being released.Although Joran and the two Surinamese brothers are believed to be the last people seen with Holloway, they have all denied harming her or knowing anything about her disappearance. Local Police suspect Holloway is dead but her body has not been found despite intensive searches over the last five weeks. Officers from Aruba and the Netherlands have been assisted by US law enforcement and a private company hired by Holloway's family but no trace of her has been found.As pressure mounted on Aruba to resolve the case, the Dutch embassy in Washington issued a statement earlier this month to reassure Americans everything possible was being done to find her.The Netherlands sent the three F-16 jets equipped with special cameras to Aruba to take part in the search. The jets flew 11 flights from the beginning of July but it is unclear if they found anything.An Air Force spokesperson said "the results will be given to the investigation team" and the jets will return shortly to the Netherlands.



On 7-11 DUTCH news-sourced “De Telegraaf” reported: (translated by an online vehicle)

Three Dutch F-16's that last week on Aruba searched for Natalee Holloway, but nothing has been found related to the body of the missing teenager. That is what Jack Goense, commander of the detachment of F-16's, announced Monday.
"We find nothing has been possible remarkable with our sensors that indicates the presence of the missing person", said Goense. "This does not exclude that Holloway is on the island, but to our sensors she is in any case not visible."
F-16's during eleven flights pre-recordings have made of the complete island, although Aruban and research team wants a pre-recording only of certain parts. "Our sensors are able, beside the areas with priority, the photograph the complete island, centimeter by centimeter."
F-16's have meanwhile got to return to the Netherlands. The Public Prosecution Service on Aruba wants Monday morning not yet react to the result of the research.
The 18-year-old Holloway has been missing since 30 May without a trace. The 17-year-old Joran S. is detained on suspicion of involvement. The two Surinamese brothers Satish and Deepak K. are also suspected, but they have been released last week from their provisional detention.



On 7-11 “People Magazine” via Internet service provider "America Online" reported:

Aruba: Natalee Holloway's Mom Apologizes
MONDAY JULY 11, 2005 08:00AM EST
By Stephen M. Silverman
Admitting to her frustration, the mother of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway said she is sorry for any offense her comments about the Aruban justice system may have caused to those on the island. With her 18-year-old daughter missing since May 30, Beth Holloway Twitty said she was extremely distraught when she claimed on Tuesday that two Suriname brothers who have been tied to the case were guilty and should not have been freed from jail, the Associated Press reports. "I would like to apologize to the Aruban people and to the Aruban authorities if I or my family have offended you in any way," Holloway Twitty said in a news conference at her Aruban attorney's office. "It was never my intention to do so." She added that the Aruban people have been "extremely kind and generous" and that the legal system "abides by the presumption of innocence, and I want to assure everyone that I do respect the Aruban legal system." (The Dutch judicial system governs the Caribbean protectorate of the Netherlands.) Holloway Twitty's attorney, Benvinda de Sousa, said the apology was not inspired by threats from the attorneys of the two brothers – Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18 – to sue for slander if she kept insisting their clients were guilty. De Sousa added that his clients would remain on the island in the hopes that answers to her daughter's fate will be uncovered.

On January 16, 2006 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY shared with FOX News further entries to her timeline/journal. BETH stated that the search today caught NATALEE’s Loved Ones by surprise. No ARUBAN called the family about the search and she only learned of it when FOX News happened to make some phone calls to ARUBA earlier in the day. BETH stated that the lighthouse dunes has “always been a suspicious area,” including when DAVE HOLLOWAY observed some suspicious activity in the lighthouse/dunes area on 6-2, just before the DUTCH Marines conducted their first search there. BETH referred to Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT mentioning the lighthouse/sand dunes area in his statements/confessions and “the area of the sand dunes just becomes very suspicious in his statements.” In his first Police statement “When Joran gets to the point where he mentions the sand dunes, there are no more details. It ends abruptly, and then he comes up with the elaborate story of how he drops her off at the ‘Holiday Inn,’ she falls, bumps her head, the two security guards come up, so, it’s always been an area of concern of the family.” BETH stated that NATALEE’s Loved Ones have known “as early as June” about the fishermen’s huts being broken into and a large filet knife was stolen, but BETH did not learn until July about the large fish trap also being stolen from the fishermen’s huts. BETH stated that they know about KOEN GOTTENBOS, who is Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s “really good friend” and GOTTENBOS’s father owning a boat even being mentioned in Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s “first statement he gives to Police.” “Someone else who really concerns us is Steven Croes, who has access.” “For some reason--Steve Croes--he did not just come forward to protect Joran. He has some information. I mean, he came forward as a witness, they determined he was lying, and THEN he became a suspect in Natalee’s case. What information he had? Whether he had access to a boat that night? Yes, it is very, very possible these boys had done something with her body, in the water--absolutely.” From her detailed journal BETH stated that on 6-10 the F.B.I. told NATALEE’s Loved Ones that it looks like NATALEE may not be alive because the 3 Main Murder Suspects were “beginning to implicate each other, and they were not denying the crime, and they were finger-pointing at each other.” From her detailed journal BETH stated that on 6-12 DAVE HOLLOWAY became aware that a woman teacher at Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s school had reported on the telephone hotline that a school peer of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s “had divulged what van der Sloot had done to Natalee. This teacher reportedly called the hotline, and was trying to tell the officials that Joran had confessed to this peer at his school what he had done to Natalee.” BETH does not know if this woman teacher was ever interviewed, or not, by the ARUBAN Police. From her detailed journal BETH stated that on 6-16 NATALEE’s Loved Ones received information from “a spokesperson” about a Murder Suspects time discrepancies--Former Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT was arrested 6-22 because he had originally told the ARUBAN Police he had picked up Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT from 4:00 AM from “McDonald’s” on 5-30, but later Former Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT changed the, supposed, “McDonald’s” pickup time of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT to 11:00 PM on 5-29. When FOX News asked if any explanation has ever been given, by anyone, as to why Former Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT changed the “McDonald‘s“ pickup time from 4:00 AM to 5 hours earlier at 11:00 PM, BETH stated, “No, but Jan van der Straten knew--he knew--that Paulus van der Sloot had changed this time pickup, and that is why he was arrested. That is solely why Paulus van der Sloot was arrested.” From her detailed journal, BETH stated that on 7-11 BETH had a meeting with ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN where ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN said that the ARBAN Police have documented records that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT made a cellular phone call and text-messaged a message to Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE's computer at his home at 3:30 AM on 5-30. Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s 3:30 AM text-message simply was “Thanks. I’m home.” (BETH does not know how Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was able to return home) ((recall BETH’s 9-15 statements to the NBC TV show, “Dr. Phil.”---On 9-15 BETH stated that in one of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s statements to ARUBAN Police, Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT claimed, "Well, when I hear them speaking of they're trying to decide whether Natalee has been raped or kidnapped,” Beth says “I have read, I've had translated to me Joran van der Sloot's statements. And one of his statements that I found was huge, and this was the one that he gave on June 13 at 8:30 in the morning, and he now states that this is the truth, quote, this is Joran saying 'Now here's the truth. Now I want to tell you the truth. I drove Natalee — We drove Natalee to my home at 1:40 a.m. I want her to come in. I have sex with her. Next’ — and remember in all his statements she's coming in and out of consciousness — next he says that then he took her to the beach, he took her to the fisherman's hut. And then he calls Deepak at 3:30 a.m. to come pick him up from the fisherman's hut. Deepak comes. And Deepak says, ‘Don't fuck with the bitch. Let's go.’ (BETH actually said "Don't 'f' with the 'b'") Every statement that he gives, like I said, so sexually explicit and graphically detailed of what he does to her. It just is amazing to me that he can even admit to having sex with her. And that's not a crime?")) ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN also told BETH that there was an 8-and-a-half minute call between Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s cellular phone and Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE's cellular phone--the longest cellular phone call ever recorded between the two boys cellular phones. “We were never able to find out what time that phone call took place, or any of the conversations that were disclosed--that they [the ARUBAN Police] knew this was significant because this had never taken place before, and I don’t know what eighteen, or seventeen year-old and twenty-two year-old boy are going to have an eight-and-a-half minute cell phone call, on the very night that they took Natalee.”
On 7-11 JOSSY MANSUR stated that on 6-10 while Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was being interrogated, SLOOT “broke down and cried” and told interrogators, “WE buried NATALEE.” (my EMPHASIS) JOSSY MANSUR stated the 5-30 first burial spot was in the beach, near a fisherman’s hut, just north of the “Marriott Hotel.” (sometime during the second week after NATALEE vanished it was reported by local ARUBA media that a boat cover, tape, rope, and an anchor(s) that were near the fishermen’s hut were reported stolen) JOSSY MANSUR also reported that as of 7-11 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has told Investigators 14 to 16 different versions of events.
On 7-11 CARLO called the reports of a Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT confession on 6-11 an “outrageous lie.”
D. DAVID KOCK said prosecutors informed him 7-11 that they had new evidence in the case that included online chatroom conversations between Deepak Kalpoe and van der Sloot, but Ruud Offringa, the lawyer for the older brother, told reporters the chatroom conversations were not new evidence and had previously presented to a judge.
On 7-11 CARLO called the reports of a Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT confession on 6-11 an “outrageous lie.”
On 7-11 ARUBA government spokesman TRAPENBERG claimed that ARUBAN prosecutors "will present new evidence" in the case, but he declined to give details. "From our point of view, tomorrow is not a big day. It is one more step in the usual process of handling justice on the island," he said. “The judges will also hear arguments by van der Sloot's lawyer that there is insufficient evidence to continue holding him,” TRAPENBERG said.
On 7-11 CNN reported, “’Photos taken by Dutch reconnaissance jets have found no sign that Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway remains in Aruba,’ a government spokesman said Monday. Final examinations of the photos will be conducted back in the Netherlands, Aruban government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg said. But authorities are ‘99 percent sure‘ that Holloway, who was last seen early on May 30, is no longer on the island, he said.”
On 7-11 TIM MILLER stated to FOX News that there has been some misinformation, and that “Texas EquuSearch” team will not be leaving 7-13. MILLER also detailed that they have tried to give team members the Sunday’s off for personal freetime, but everyone has been working on Sunday’s also to try and find NATALEE.
The divers searched some underwater caves but found nothing, program director Tom Kelley said. The crew searched Monday 7-11 with two robotic devices and sidescan sonar. "They were successful in clearing some caverns down there," Kelley said. "But still no luck in trying to find her, unfortunately."
On 7-11 “The Aruba Tradewinds Times” wrote, “Nadira Ramirez the mother of the brothers Satish and Deepak Kaploe was not fired because of the detention of the Kaploe brothers in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on May 1st says Ike Cohen General Manager of Manchebo Hotel. Cohen is referring to the articles that appeared in the newspapers last week where Nadira said she was fired because of her sons’ involvement in the Holloway case. According to Ike Cohen, Mrs. Ramirez was told the reason why she was fired during a private conversation and by written letter. Ike Cohen does not want to make public on why the mother of the brothers Kaploe was fired as that violates Ramirez right of privacy. Ramirez is considering starting a case against the decision of Cohen in court. Nadira Ramirez worked for 9 years at the French Steakhouse located at the Manchebo Hotel.”
On 7-11 the "AP" reported that “TIM MILLER was in tears as he told reporters in ARUBA that members want to feel in their hearts that they did everything.” The "AP" implied that the team would be leaving ARUBA.
JOE "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON of “Texas EquuSearch” on 7-11 stated, "We have searched a significant part of the areas we picked out. The areas that are left are not a high priority," "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON said, describing the unsearched areas as remote places where it would be hard to hide a body. He said the team's nearly three-week search has turned up a sandal, miscellaneous clothing and some jewelry, but nothing "pertinent to this case." He said the team's nearly three-week search has turned up a sandal, miscellaneous clothing and some jewelry, but nothing "pertinent to this case." The team will decide on Tuesday whether to give up the search, "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON said, adding that three divers from Florida State University's underwater crime scene investigation department are planning to leave on Wednesday. "We've pushed our departure back twice since we began the search. If we find any new leads worth pursuing, we'll postpone it again," "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON said.
On 7-11 ARUBAAN's news-source "Aruba Tradewinds Times" reported:

3 F-16's to return back to The Netherlands
Nothing Was Found After Scanning The Island Inch By Inch
ORANJESTAD-The 3 F-16's that were searching for a possible body of Natalee Holloway last week did not find anything. Jack Groense detachment commander of the F-16's said on Monday that nothing was found with the sensors and infrared images.
The F-16's made 11 flights over Aruba scanning the island inch by inch. The F-16's were asked to scan the areas of priority for the team of Investigators. However the sensors on board the F-16 were able to scan the entire island thoroughly including the areas of priority. The infrared images can capture cadavers that are buried under the ground. The Attorney General in Aruba has not reacted yet on the results of the F-16 search.
The 18 year old Natalee Holloway disappeared without a trace on May 30th. The 17 year old Joran van der Sloot is still detained as suspect in her disappearance. The brothers Satish and Deepak Kaploe were released last week but are still considered suspects in the case. All 3 suspects deny being involved in her disappearance and say to be innocent.
The 3 F-16's will return back to The Netherlands this week for another mission.



On 7-11 the ST. MAARTEN “Daily Herald” reported:

Court hears appeals in missing girl probe
ARUBA--The Court heard five appeals on Tuesday against decisions of the examining judge in the disappearance of US teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba, with the rulings scheduled for Thursday afternoon.
The appeals include four of the prosecution, of which two are against the release of the Kalpoe bothers. The other two are against lifting restrictions for the only suspect still detained, Joran van der Sloot (17), including admitting his lawyers to interrogation sessions.
Van der Sloot in turn is appealing the decision to prolong his detention. He admits he was left alone with the girl at Fishermen’s Hut by the two brothers before she vanished, but says he left her there when one of the brothers picked him up later, something they both deny doing.
The Kalpoe brothers left court with their lawyers after the brief hearings. van der Sloot left the courthouse handcuffed, hiding his face from the news media and in the custody of authorities.
David Kock, the lawyer for Satish Kalpoe, said he was confident the younger brother would remain free. “There’s nothing new against my client,” Kock said outside the courthouse. “I’m speculating, but perhaps the prosecution wants to appeal for PR reasons.”
Kock said prosecutors had informed him Monday that they had new evidence in the case that included online chat-room conversations between Deepak Kalpoe and van der Sloot. But Ruud Offringa, the lawyer for the older brother Deepak, told reporters the chat-room conversations were not new evidence and had been presented to a judge previously.
Meanwhile, Dutch Royal Navy Commander Jack Goense said the three F-16 fighter jets searching for the missing girl above Aruba since last week couldn’t find any indications that her body was still on the island. The three planes made 11 flights above the island, mapped its entire surface and scanned specific areas by order of the Aruban authorities.
According to Goense, no trace of Holloway was found during these flights. “Everything is possible, but our sensors didn’t show anything out of the ordinary.” Holloway has been missing since the end of May.
The F-16s of the Twente airbase are expected to be back in the Netherlands by the end of this week. A KDC-10 refueled the F-16s on their journey to Curacao.
In the meantime, this tanker plane is assisting a Belgian F-16 mission to Afghanistan and will not be able to accompany the three F-16s back to the Netherlands. On request of the navy commander, the F-16s are being used to update the topographical maps of the ABC Islands, while waiting for the tanker plane to return.
Separately, a U.S. organisation that has been searching for Holloway for more than three weeks said it planned to halt its efforts and return home Sunday. “We want to feel in our hearts we did everything,” a tearful Tim Miller, director of Texas EquuSearch, said at a news conference.
Members of a volunteer search team from Florida State University’s underwater crime scene investigation department left the island Tuesday.



On 7-11 CNNHN reported:

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Quick break, everybody. With me, the county attorney, as well as Shasta's grandmother. We'll all be right back on this story. Why was a convicted sex offender walking around free? Why did the judge let him go? Why did he have to let him go, and now Dylan is dead? Let`s quickly go to "Trial Tracking." Tomorrow, a make-or-break day in the disappearance of Alabama honor student Natalee Holloway. Prosecutors back to court tomorrow morning to beg, to appeal the release of those two Kalpoe brothers last seen with 18-year-old Natalee. Joran van der Sloot, the only suspect left behind bars tonight, also in court tomorrow. Why? He wants to be released. And tonight, rumors are swirling that new evidence for the state will be released tomorrow. Repeat: Evidence for the state. Is there a break in the case? Tomorrow could be the last hope for Natalee and her family. We go live to Aruba for the story tomorrow night.



On 7-11 MSNBC reported:

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: He is the only person being held in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. But, tomorrow, Joran van der Sloot could be set free. Tonight's top headline: a major court hearing in Aruba that could determine if Natalee's mystery will ever be solved.
Welcome to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY, no passport required, only common sense allowed.
Natalee Holloway's family nervously awaits Tuesday's hearing. Could key suspect Joran van der Sloot actually be let out of jail? Plus, an exclusive inside look at the desperate search for Natalee. New video of what divers are finding so far. Are they getting closer?
SCARBOROUGH: Hey, welcome to the show. Great to have you with us tonight.
You know, Natalee Holloway disappeared six weeks ago tonight from a trip with her friends celebrating their high school graduation. Now, tomorrow, the suspects in this case are going to be back in court. And it's a day that, I have got to tell you, Natalee's parents are very worried about.
Let's go live right now to Aruba and NBC's Michelle Kosinski.
Michelle, this drama continue to build day by day by day. Tomorrow, the courtroom drama reaches a climax. Tell us all about it.
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT: All right.
This is a big day in this case, as you've said. And, you know, tonight we're also hearing of the possibility of the prosecution presenting some new evidence in court tomorrow. What might the nature of that possible evidence be? We don't know that for sure. But we do know that prosecutors have been awaiting test results on certain evidence, the nature of which we don't know, that was taken in the initial stages of the investigation.
You know, this is the biggest thing to happen in this case in days, if not weeks. This is a hearing before the appeals court. Three judges are flying in from Curacao. That is where the Aruban appeals court is based. And they're going to be hearing from both sides. Prosecutors want the Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, back in jail. They also have some issues with when Joran van der Sloot gets to have an attorney present.
And on Joran van der Sloot's side, he, of course, wants to be let out of jail. We know that prosecutors today met with the parents of Natalee Holloway, family members and their attorney. We know that they sort of laid out the plan for court tomorrow. But any evidence or anything that was discussed, we were not told about.
We do know that they said that it was going a full day in court tomorrow. Now, the judges will hear from both sides on this all of these matters. But the ruling, the decision on these things, could take some time.
SCARBOROUGH: You know, Michelle, a lot of people have been talking about favoritism in this case from day one. My sources in Washington talking about a connection between the father and the chief of police. The family also starting to talk about that. Are they concerned, tonight, Natalee's family, are they concerned that favoritism may play a part in this hearing tomorrow, and that Joran van der Sloot may walk free?
KOSINSKI: That has not been an issue. It's really sort of the bated breath, waiting to see what is going to be presented.
We know that, in certain ways, there hasn't been favoritism. And certain judges were brought in this case in the past for hearings and other matters before the court. They haven't been talking about that. That hasn't been top of their minds.
But legal experts that we've talked have mentioned, hey, this is a thin case, in our opinion. We don't know what evidence could be there. Obviously, there is no body. But, of course, if there is more evidence presented tomorrow—and that is an if—you know, prosecutors don't have to present more evidence, things could change. And that's why tomorrow could be a turning point in this case.
You know, people could be released from jail. People could be rearrested, other people brought back in. We really don't know. And players in this case have been reluctant to talk about the possibilities. Of course, the laws down here are different, too. Certain things can't be discussed. And there are no filings that are made public. So, there are a lot of questions. And tomorrow could be a major day of decisions for this family.
SCARBOROUGH: All right, Michelle, thank you so much. Stay with us.
We'll be right back with you.
Now, I spoke to Beth Holloway Twitty and Jug Twitty, Natalee's mom and stepfather, about the upcoming hearings, which you just heard about, which could put the Kalpoe brothers back in jail, while Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the case, could walk. This is what they had to tell me in my interview.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, the prosecuting attorney has filed to appeal those decisions, and—of the Kalpoes' ruling. And, of course, we're just going to be anxiously awaiting to hear that.
SCARBOROUGH: And tell me, Jug, what—is there anything more that can be done from the United States' side? I know Senator Shelby has been working aggressively. But can the FBI get more involved? Are they being allowed to do all the things they need to do to help out in this investigation?
JUG TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, the FBI is doing everything they can. But they are actually—they're back observing everything that is going on. They are here to help, but they can't take the lead in the investigation, which is frustrating, of course.
The one thing that I've pressed for that I think, you know, would really give us an answer is the so-called judge, Joran van der Sloot, the two boys, Deepak and Satish, I can't understand why—if they want us to bring this to close and they want us to leave the island and they want to get an answer and everybody go home, they should take these people, at least the judge to start with, and give him the voice overlay, the—similar to a polygraph test.
But, if he has nothing to hide, why won't he take it? Why won't they give it to him? I know it's not admissible in court, but this would give us an answer.
SCARBOROUGH: And, you know, Beth, the thing that bothers so many of us—obviously, it was shocking when the news first came out, that this father would actually talk to the two boys and his son and say no body, no crime. This is not something that people who are not guilty say.
So, why—any guesses as to why they won't apply this sort of technology that could answer so many questions?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Oh, I mean that is an absolute perfect question.
And, you know, and another part of this that is so frustrating is how we waited 10 days. I mean, their vehicle should have been impounded on the very next day or the day of the 31st. So, that's just another twist to this that is so frustrating for Jug and I to accept.
SCARBOROUGH: You know, that is so frustrating, the most frustrating thing, too. And it's so transparent. I remember when they picked up those two poor black bodyguards, security guards.
I mean, the second they picked them up, we were laughing on the show, saying, can you believe they're trying to set these guys up, while they're letting the three go? And, again, it's so transparent.
I want to ask you, though, how did you know that first night, when you saw Joran, when you saw his father, what told you that they weren't saying everything to you and to the authorities that they knew? Was it just a mom's intuition?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: You know, I think the biggest red flag for me and probably everyone else is, we have credible witnesses standing at Carlos 'n Charlie's, and they actually see Natalee leaving with these three individuals?
I mean, to me, you know, that—we need to go back to the beginning. And, you know, these credible witnesses are the last ones to see Natalee alive, leaving with these three suspects.
SCARBOROUGH: And they let them—yes, they let them go for 10, 11 days.
Final question and then I will throw it to either one of you. Again, what can we do here in the United States to help you out, to put pressure on our politicians, to put pressure on Aruban politicians and Dutch politicians? What would you like us to do?
J. TWITTY: Basically, just keep—I know they are writing letters to the Dutch Embassy. And I know that everybody—I mean, there's so many politicians that are involved in this. Beth gets calls every day from these guys, from everybody I mentioned before, a lot of senators.
I guess just keep putting the pressure on, because we've basically—down here, I've done everything I can do, as far as putting pressure on the investigators here. And I'm almost to a point now where, I put too much pressure on, they are just going to say, Well, we're just not going to—you know, you don't think we're doing our job.
And I try to say, no, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, I'm a stepfather here that is trying to find my stepdaughter. And I'm going to do everything possible to try to find her. And I'm just pushing, pushing, pushing. And now it's gotten to a point where everybody is kind of turning against us. And we don't want that at all. All we want to do is find Natalee and take her home.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
SCARBOROUGH: I'll tell you what, those parents, very, very strong, obviously going to be holding their breath tomorrow.
I want to go back now to Michelle Kosinski.
Michelle, of course, what a lot of people have been talking about, what the family has been talking about, is that line, no body, no crime. Well, there are actually a lot of authorities down there are searching high and low for a body in this case. Talk about how that search has now taken them underwater.
KOSINSKI: All right.
Well, we've seen Dutch Marines out here. We have seen F-16s fly over. We've seen just about everything. And that has not ended. Over the last few days, specialized forensic divers in fact were brought in from Florida, and they've been using some high-tech tools. They communicate underwater with cameras and radios. They have robotic cameras, little devices that they can put under water and go into pipes and tight spaces where a diver could never go.
And we got some exclusive video today of these divers off of a ship wreck, a World War II ship wreck, where they could go into small, tight spaces and really check out some areas. These areas are places that have given people some concern, some question, places near a lighthouse, lagoons, quarries, caves, spots where they felt they might have searched before, but they really needed to go over again.
And some of these places, we've seen absolutely treacherous conditions for diving. But, still, they're going down in there with this new equipment and checking those places out. And every time, we see them come out and say, hey, we're confident that this space is clear and we're confident that nothing has been found.
SCARBOROUGH: All right.
KOSINSKI: And that has been a big frustration, of course, all of these days. In fact, EquuSearch, the Texas volunteers, have said, if they don't find anything, they're going to leave on Wednesday. But they're still reassessing that. So, in a sense, the search is continuing. And if they find something, it will continue some more.
SCARBOROUGH: NBC's Michelle Kosinski in Aruba, thank you so much for that report. We really appreciate it.
Now, coming up, we're going to be talking more about this case after the break with Natalee's uncle, who says he knows why this search has led nowhere. More charges out there of possible cover-ups because of favoritism, I'm going to ask him about that.
Then, the terror attacks in London, the question is, are they happening because of political correctness over there? Is that causing deadly bombings in Britain? Did it cause the deadly bombings in Spain? Could it cause future bombings in the United States?
Plus, a tragic story, the Los Angeles police, they had to explain a shooting that left a 19-month-old baby girl dead.
That's when SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY returns.
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SCARBOROUGH: Welcome back.
Natalee's family is understandably upset about tomorrow. Her uncle says one of the real problems in solving this case has to do with the Aruban police chief, Jan Van Der Straaten, who appears to have botched the investigation from day one. He didn't say that. I'm saying that.
Paul Reynolds is with me right now.
Paul, I've got to tell you, this investigation has stunk from the first day. Do you think favoritism played a part in that?
PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, there's certainly things that—that think that's a strong possibility.
It's like Beth said. When we get to a difficult part, what we have to do is go back to the beginning. And the first day, the day that Natalee was first noticed missing, no one expected my sister and her husband to arrive on the island. But they did. They arrived there that night. They were able to identify the boys that she left with and go to the van der Sloots' house.
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SCARBOROUGH: And they go over there, and she's suspicious from the very beginning. She talks to the police officers. They bring the boys in, but they let them go. They hold two other people. It was an absolute a joke. It was transparent.
I want to ask you, though. Washington officials are telling me, off the record, are telling me that this—Van Der Sloot's father and the police chief down there in Aruba are best of friends. What are you hearing?
REYNOLDS: We've heard reports that at least they're good friends. We have heard that one was the godfather of the son. But, at a minimum, we know that there is a friendship there.
And why the police didn't go in their house the very first night. Instead, the father told them the son was at the casino. They all ran over there. No one watched the house. No one guarded the house. And they received a phone call from Joran that he's back at the house. And when they all came back, Joran and one of the Kalpoe brothers was sitting there waiting on them.
SCARBOROUGH: I mean, it's absolutely amazing, Paul.
And then, I understand, just talking to family members, I understand that you all keep pressing. And we heard Jug talking about pressing the police officers. And they're basically—their response is, hey, if you keep pushing us, we may just drop the investigation altogether. Have you been threatened that way?
REYNOLDS: Our family certainly has, that he has stated, if you don't like the way I'm doing it, then I'll just stop doing it.
You know, what does that say about his attitude? What does that say about his demeanor? It makes us go back and look at events that happened earlier. We had—you know, back on June 10, we had reports of a confession, reported by a senior government official and reported again on Saturday. But, somehow, mysteriously, these things like disappear, like they never happened or it was a mistake. How do you make a mistake like that?
SCARBOROUGH: I will tell you what. Absolutely. I mean, absolutely awful.
Thank you so much for being with us, Paul.
I want to put up the picture of this police chief again, because this is the real story here. This guy has run a horrible investigation, absolute terrible investigation. There are charges of favoritism. He is doing absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing to convince the family that he's putting his best foot forward. And if he is criticized, what does he say? I'm going to drop the investigation altogether.
Maybe that's why we still don't have the answers six weeks later.



On 7-11 FOX News reported:

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Some explosive new details are emerging about the night Natalee Holloway (search) disappeared. The Aruban newspaper Diario broke the news on their front page on Monday. Joining us live from Aruba with the inside scoop is Diario's managing editor, Jossy Mansur. Jossy, let me get straight to the main thing that struck everybody reading that article today, that Joran van der Sloot (search) claimed to the police to have buried Natalee. Is that right? JOSSY MANSUR, DIARIO MANAGING EDITOR: That's correct, Greta. That happened on the second day of interrogations. VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know when he supposedly made that statement to the police? Was it early on in his detention, or even before his detention or later? MANSUR: No, it was when they had let them free. And when he came back, they (INAUDIBLE) him in as a suspect. On the second day of that detention, he broke down completely. He cried, and he admitted to the police, he confessed to the police that, we buried Natalee. VAN SUSTEREN: Did he say where he'd buried Natalee? MANSUR: He gave them indications. They put him in a police car. They brought him over here to the north of the Marriott Hotel, and he pointed towards some indistinct area by the fishermen's huts. Those are huts that the fishermen use them to guard their equipment, their nets, their knives, whatever they use in fishing. VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And we put up on the screen the picture of that area, the fishermen hut area, which is a little bit north of the Marriott Hotel there on the beach. Jossy, have the police searched the area to see whether or not there was, indeed, someone buried in that area? MANSUR: They have searched it. I think the people from Texas also searched there. The Aruba search and rescue team also searched there. I think that based on this first confession, everybody went and concentrated on this area to the north of the Marriott Hotel, yes. VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And I take it that, obviously, that we would know if they had found anything. And indeed, we don't. Jossy, any idea how many different versions of what happened Joran has told the police in interrogation? MANSUR: Well, as I understand it, between 14 and 16 different versions. VAN SUSTEREN: Have you heard anything in terms of whether or not Joran's lawyer, for instance, thinks he's going to be released? MANSUR: You know, I think that all defense lawyers carry that confidence in themselves that their clients will be set free. That's normal with any defense lawyer. However, if he's going to be set free or not will depend on the evidence that will be presented tomorrow by the prosecutor. VAN SUSTEREN: And what's the prosecutor's view of their evidence? Do they have something brand-new to present to the court? MANSUR: Perhaps not brand-new, in that sense. Perhaps the prosecutor has all the evidence that they haven't presented before, and that is one of the big possibilities in this case. It doesn't necessarily have to be brand-new evidence. It could have been evidence that they've hold back for their cases and will present now because they know that they have to present a strong case tomorrow. VAN SUSTEREN: And in terms of Deepak and Satish, you know, what's the prosecutor's argument, or what's the evidence to put them back in jail? MANSUR: Well, because for one, they were not satisfied that they were set free, to begin with. I think that the prosecutor is under the impression that the evidence was not looked at carefully, that they have the high hopes that by presenting, whatever evidence that they have held back, that they will present now, that they stand a very good chance of bringing the Kalpoe brothers back into detention. VAN SUSTEREN: Do you expect, or are you hearing from any of your sources whether or not Paul van der Sloot has continuing legal problems? MANSUR: You know, that I have no knowledge of, Greta. Absolutely none. VAN SUSTEREN: Is there any indication that Joran van der Sloot is going to be formally charged in the very near future? And I assume that if he were, that murdered would be one of the counts. MANSUR: Well, if his detention is confirmed for another 50 days, I think the prosecution has to make charges against him. VAN SUSTEREN: Tomorrow, how many judges are going to make the decision on whether or not to re-lock up Satish and Deepak or release Joran? MANSUR: There's going to be three judges, three independent judges that will be brought in from Curacao. They will be probably all three Dutch judges. Maybe there will be one Antillean among them. We don't know yet. The names that have been presented to us are unknown. I think these are very recent, newcomers to Curacao. VAN SUSTEREN: Jossy, thank you.



7-12-05
TOM GLEBUS, a search and rescue person helping search for NATALEE in ARUBA wrote:

On July 8-12, 2005, VideoRay was invited by the Florida State University Underwater Crime Scene Investigation team to assist them in the search for Natalee Holloway in Aruba in underwater areas that have been otherwise inaccessible to search teams that were already there. These locations included a shoreline cave, a lagoon and a quarry. Texas EquuSearch is the organization that is leading the search effort. …
DAY 5 - July 12 No operations were planned, as this was the day the FSU UCSI team and I had to depart for home. We left disappointed that we did not find Natalee, but satisfied that we were able to clear areas of interest and be confident that she was not in those areas. SUMMARY Most of the challenges we faced were working in the hot sun, with wind and sand. The temperature was around 90º F and the sun was relentless. One thing I dearly missed, that we frequently use on demos, was the pop up shade awnings. We couldn’t seem to find them in Aruba. The wind was also constant, and I had to stop often to clean the screen of fine powdery sand. You couldn’t really feel the grit, but when you cleaned the screen the difference was amazing. Does anyone have any suggestions for working in these conditions? I brought along a new sunshade for the video display that I designed. It hooks right on the pelican case latches. It worked well, but I’ve got a few concerns. First, when installed, the wind can lift the sides a little, and second, if you secure the sides, then the shade catches more wind and can tip the control panel. I may refine the design a little bit before we release it. Locating equipment and resources from locals was difficult (finding a ladder to use at the cave took quite a while, and we could not find a replacement for the boat that broke down). I’m not being critical of the local people, on the contrary, they were most gracious hosts, but I did want to mention it as food for thought for what to bring and what to acquire locally. On the other hand if you bring things in, you have to deal with transporting them and that can be equally difficult. One of the main challenges faced by the coordinators was sorting the real leads from the rumors. I don’t think the rumors were intentional, but with limited resources and time, we wanted to search the most likely sites first. I did not envy their job of trying to prioritize the leads and deploy crews. ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS I would first like to thank VideoRay for voluntarily sending me and providing equipment. It was a real privilege and honor to work with the experts from Texas EquuSearch, the Florida State University Crime Scene Investigation team and numerous individual volunteers. Everyone was extremely skilled and dedicated to the cause. I would also like to commend the “ground pounders,” as they were called. In every location I participated, we were near the water and the breeze offered some relief from the temperature and sun. The land search teams and dogs often had to work in areas with low scrub that blocked the wind and that with thick with thorns, briars and burs. And finally, I would like to thank the people of Aruba for their hospitality to me and the rest of the search team. One local family devoted countless hours helping to make all sorts of arrangements, and many local businesses donated food or other amenities to the cause.



On 7-12 PAUL REYNOLDS told MSNBC, “I know that my sister had a meeting with the F.B.I. June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process. You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice. And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared.” “I am not aware of any follow-up information. You know, this seemed to disappear from sight, these confessions did. At the time, we thought that because the investigation is kept secret, we thought it was ongoing, and maybe they just didn't want to release it officially at that time. But, as we see that the appeals, the hearings are showing there's no evidence, but yet we have these confessions, it doesn't make any sense. It's as if they are being hidden or taken away.”
On 7-12 the ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN also presented evidence to the judge from prosecutors seeking to overturn an order allowing van der SLOOT's father, Paul, to visit his son while he's in custody (this was reported to be the fourth appeal by the prosecutors to block Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT from interacting with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ).
On 7-12 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT left the hearing handcuffed and (for the first time) hiding his face from the news media.
On 7-12 the "Texas EquuSearch" team received an in-person tip from an ARUBAN man who gave them a specific location that needed to be searched on the north side of the island within “Arikok National Park” VERY CLOSE TO THE SHARK-INFESTED “BACO MAHOS” GARBAGE DUMP SITE. When the team got there, about 100’ from the road they found an open 4’ deep and 6’ long hole that TIM MILLER stated, “certainly looks like a grave site that was possibly dug up.” TIM MILLER also said something “definitely was buried,” the hole was “manmade, remote, had easy access yet hard to see.” “Perfect.”
TIM MILLER described how the hole had obviously been dug out (with the hole left open and its dirt piled on the side) TIM MILLER is very suspicious of the hole saying that the suspects could have returned then dug up the body to move it somewhere else. TIM MILLER stated of the hole, he “still questions it” because no one can explain for what purpose such a 6’ long by 4’ deep hole could have been used for. TIM MILLER stated that 2 Aruba Police Investigators accompanied the team and took photos and the "Texas EquuSearch" team sifted the dirt pile and nearby area. On 7-14 JOE "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON said of the “Arikok hole” that he “is not convinced it is not part of this case." “What, exactly it was used for?” He described the 7-12 tipster as white, in his 20’s, 5’ 7”, and 140 pounds, with a dark complexion. "Texas EquuSearch's" JOE HUSTON further described the “Arikok hole” as being re-dug within the past 7 to 10 days because the edges of the piled up dirt were still sharp (had not been rounded smooth from ever-present Aruba winds), and the moisture content still present in the left-behind dirt pile also supported 7 to 10 days. On 7-15 SCARBOROUGH reported that next to the dugout hole, even the roots of a nearby tree had, clearly, been deliberately chopped away at the re-dugout hole’s edge.
On 7-12 stated the team searched on the “Marriott Hotel” beach, but the dogs kept getting “hits” because the area they searched was an “old Indian burial ground.”
On 7-12 AL.com” reported:

Aruban teen appeals jail order; search team remains
A panel of Aruban judges heard appeals this morning in the case of a missing Mountain Brook teen but won’t issue a ruling until Thursday. Meanwhile, an American search team that planned to leave tomorrow has extended its stay through Sunday to continue looking for Natalee Holloway, 18. Texas EquuSearch director Tim Miller said the group had received new equipment that will allow it to look more closely at some areas of concern.“We just would not be comfortable thinking that maybe there’s something that we missed,” he said. Joran van der Sloot, 17, appealed a judge’s order to hold him for up to 60 days. Police say van der Sloot may have been the last to see Holloway before she disappeared May 30. Meanwhile, prosecutors also appealed the judge’s decision to release two Surinamese brothers who had previously been suspects in the case. Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, were freed last week after the judge ruled there wasn’t enough evidence to continue holding them. The prosecutor has also appealed the judge’s decision to allow van der Sloot’s lawyers to be present during police interrogations. The appeals lasted for just under two hours. The three-judge panel plans to announce a decision Thursday afternoon at 2 p.m. Hannah Wolfson

**NOTE** WOLFSON is a reporter in BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA for the “Birmingham News”


On July 26, 2005 TIM MILLER stated to FOX News that he and some team members have returned to ARUBA. They plan on using a methane gas detector, ground penetrating sonar, and side-scan sonar on specific sites already planned. TIM MILLER claims they had spoken with a witness who claimed to have seen the 3 persons in the pond area on 5-30, and TIM MILLER stated that because of what that witness told them that about 2 weeks ago (about 7-12) they did search the pond just northwest of the “Marriott Hotel” by moving some debris with a backhoe and that they asked the ARUBAN Police if they could drain the pond but the Police refused.
The week prior to the 7-12 hearing it was reported that new evidence --including witness statements-- would be presented at the 7-12 appeals hearings.
After the 7-12 appeals hearings for Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE , Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE , and Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT it was reported that the decision of the 3 appeals judges could take up to 48 hours. It was also reported by LINCOLN GOMEZ that the appeals decision must be unanimous among the 3 judges.
On 7-12 the ARUBA Prosecutor KARIN JANSSEN also presented evidence to the judge from prosecutors seeking to overturn an order allowing Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT to visit his son while he's in custody (this was reported to be the fourth appeal by the prosecutors to block Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT from interacting with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ).
On 7-12 after the hearing Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE's lawyer, RUUD OFFRINGA, told reporters the chat room conversations were not new evidence and had previously presented to a judge.
On 7-12 the three Dutch F-16s that had been scanning the island also were being recalled after several days of searching for NATALEE, according to ARUBA government spokesman TRAPENBERG.
On 7-12 the 4 forensic divers from “Florida State University” departed ARUBA.
After the 7-12 appeals hearings for Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE , Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE , and Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , GOMEZ reported that the decision of the 3 appeals judges could take up to 48 hours. It was also reported by LINCOLN GOMEZ that any appeals decision must be unanimous among the 3 judges.
On 7-12 LeJUEZ (his attorney) stated that the, supposed, crying and confession of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT on 6-11 was really just Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT crying because Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had, somehow, learned on 6-11 that the KALPOE’s were trying to implicate Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. LeJUEZ further stated that this information came from his client, Murder Suspect A. JONES.
After the 7-12 DEEPAK appeal hearing DAVE DAVID KOCK said, “"There's nothing new against my client," DAVID KOCK said outside the courthouse. "I'm speculating but perhaps the prosecution wants to appeal for PR reasons." DAVID KOCK said prosecutors informed him Monday that they had new evidence in the case that included online chatroom conversations between Deepak Kalpoe and van der SLOOT.
On 7-12 identity “clevfan” of “Major Wager.com” reported:

I know this is hearsay, but interesting story from a girl in Aruba regarding Joran:Anyway, remember John Merryweather, evil incarnate and my mom's cousin? He has a son, named Herbert (Herbie) Merryweather. Herbert is married and has a son, but I don't know his name.
The mother of this son came to talk to my mom day before yesterday and it turns out that her son is a classmate of Joran's.So, got it, grandson Merryweather is Joran's classmate. Turns out that grandson and mom had a major clash with Joran some time before, because Joran accused grandson of killing Joran's dog and throwing it in Moko Dam (place where TX ES also searched), however, the mother threatened to go the cops to make a complaint against Joran, and the Joran confessed to killing his own dog.****I'm not kidding. Not even a little bit.Also, the morning after NH disappeared [May 30, 2005], Joran came with a big bruise on his face and was sleeping in class and could only be woken up when he was pelted with (note?)books.

****Several psychological studies of convicted murderers have documented that during their childhood/adolescence, one common trait shared by many convicted murderers is their history of torturing and/or killing animals with no remorse.


On 7-12 AMERICAN Judge and FOX News consultant ANTHONY NAPOLITANO suggested that his “behind the scenes” talks with an ARUBAN attorney indicates the feeling within the ARUBAN legal community is that there is no case either due to an accidental death, and/or a botched investigation. Napolitano suggested that if the case were botched, as some suggest, there is likely no evidence to warrant a charge --let alone a conviction-- and all suspects could be released as early as 7-14. According to Napolitano, if that happened, the investigation, for all intents and purposes, could effectively be over. (on 7-14 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was retained under arrest, and Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and SATISH KALPOE remained free)
On 7-12 ARUBA government spokesman TRAPENBERG was asked on FOX News whether the decision not to use polygraph technology was a point of contention between ARUBAN law enforcement officers and the UNITED STATES F.B.I. He claims he was not in direct communication with law enforcement officers, and reiterated that polygraphs are "not admissible in Aruban courts." But, of course, that is something we already knew. But what he did NOT say is just as significant. He did NOT say that polygraph interrogation would be a violation of ARUBAN law. He did NOT say that. Further, a letter to the editor of “A. M. Digital” a couple of days ago by retired ARUBAN Police officer Elio Nicolaas, indicated that Elio Nicolaas was surprised that ARUBAN authorities did not take advantage of the polygraph technology offered by the UNITED STATES F.B.I.
According to TIM MILLER a male tourist contacts the ARUBAN fire department about a barrel submerged in the water near the “Marriott Hotel” beach. Nothing is done about it until the male tourist contacts “Texas EquuSearch” about the submerged barrel late on 7-14. (the team pulls out the barrel on 7-15)
On 7-12 ARUBAAN's news-source "Amigoe.com" reported: (this was translated using an online service)

AVP provided concerning independence Public Prosecution Service ArubaORANJESTAD. THE AVP makes itself looks concerning the independence of the Public Prosecution Service. The official warning of Procurator-General Theresa Croes-Fernandes to the address of chief public prosecutor Karin Janssen, reported about which the Amigoe yesterday, strengthens the AVP in suspecting that Croes-Fernandes bend for political tasks of minister of justice Rudy Croes (MEP).Party leader Mike Eman: the AVP makes itself for quite some time looks concerning the independence of the Public Prosecution Service. There its too much matter are where very strongly the impression has been awoken that the Procurator-General exercises too dense at the political gezagdragers its task. For the guarantees of the rule of law it is essential that the Procurator-General does not bend for political tasks. We fear that the disagreement between the chief public prosecutor and the Procurator-General might that as a basis the head officier also care makes oneself concerning the developments where the independence and objectivity of Public Prosecution Service are liable to be pushed aside.
The tensions on the parquet floor seem be clash between makamba.s. (Dutch) and arubanen.. the Procurator-General have according to reports not much with the Dutch input in Public Prosecution Service. Asked, Eman that it says in a small-scale society necessary is within the judiciary and in the Public Prosecution Service have people who can love sufficiently distance influences from the society. it is difficult get people who can love sufficiently distance influences from the society on Aruba. For that reason we think that we must stand on Aruba always open for using judges and officieren of justice which do not come from Aruba.



On 7-12 MSNBC reported:

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: Tonight's top headline: questions of whether one of the suspects confessed in the Natalee Holloway case. Welcome to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY, no passport required, only common sense allowed. As the three suspects in Aruba were hauled back into court, a report surfaces that one suspect confessed a month ago that something terrible happened to Natalee. Her uncle is here with us live with all the details. Plus, the latest on Joran van der Sloot's effort to get out of jail. SCARBOROUGH: Hey, good evening, and welcome to the show. You know, it's been 45 days now since Mountain Brook, Alabama, teenager Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba. Only one suspect is in custody and no formal charges have been filed. But, today, there was a major court hearing, as key suspect Joran van der Sloot actually asked the court to let him out of jail. Now let's go to NBC's Michelle Kosinski for the very latest. Michelle, get us up to date with everything that happened today. MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Joe, as you know, there's been so frustratingly little information coming out on this case, either from the courts or from the search. Remember, it's been six weeks, and still there's no sign of Natalee Holloway on this island. And people had really been looking forward to this big day in court, five appeals before a judge, and now we are hearing from attorneys that there's some new development, some new evidence presented by the prosecution to the judge. And that has been a tantalizing piece of information. We will set the scene a little for you. We saw Joran van der Sloot arrive for court this morning, not sitting relaxed or smiling in the back seat of a Police car. But this time, his head was tucked down very low both coming and going from the court, below his arms in the back seat. Also, we saw the brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe arrive separately with their attorneys. Now, attorneys do tell us that there was just some new information that was presented today. One told us that it's a new development. Another said that there were some new affidavits filed that may include new statements from other people in this case. But, at this point, nobody wants to talk about it. All the attorneys say, hey, it doesn't pertain to my client, but, you know, it has to pertain to someone or something for the prosecution to further this case. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)DAVID KOCK, ATTORNEY FOR SATISH KALPOE : There are developments, but not pertaining to my client. QUESTION: And that is the key question here. What new evidence is there? Can you discuss the new evidence at all? I mean, what...KOCK: No. As it does not pertain to my client, I would rather not. QUESTION: Which client does it pertain to? QUESTION: On what grounds? What grounds did you have, sir? Did they say...KOCK: I think, once the other attorneys come out, then you might hear from them. But I would prefer not to comment on that. QUESTION: Primarily Joran? Can you say yes or no?(CROSSTALK)KOCK: ... the question. QUESTION: The public prosecutor has said that there were grounds. What grounds were there to hold your client? KOCK: Well, I don't think they are ever going to say there are no grounds and come and ask for an appeal. (END VIDEO CLIP)KOSINSKI: Well, that exchange for you just sums things up. That is the way we get information on the proceedings. Remember, up until this point, nothing has been filed publicly because no one has been convicted, so we rely solely on what attorneys will or will not tell us. Now, as for these appeals, the prosecution wants the Kalpoe brothersput back in jail. And Joran van der Sloot's attorney wants him out ofjail. We are expecting a ruling from a judge on that on Thursday afternoon· Joe, back to you. SCARBOROUGH: So, Michelle, for most Americans, this is shocking, that a case this important not only for the American people, but, more importantly, for Aruba and for their—for their travel industry, is veiled completely in secrecy. We don't know what went on inside the courtroom, despite the fact this is probably one of the most important cases in Aruban history. Do all the proceedings, do all the appeals go this way? KOSINSKI: Yes, up until point that someone is convicted. In fact, it's unusual. In this case, we are seeing the full names of suspects. Often, in the newspapers, you will see just initials, up until the point that something really happens that will tell you guilt or innocence. And this has caused a lot of tension because it's easy for Americans to come here and say, you know, this is so closed, this is terrible.But people here will defend this. They will say, well, someone's name could be all over the media, all over the papers. You know, they have television news here, too. They could be known and then be found to be innocent. And many people here would rather have that secrecy to protect people's privacy up until that point that they are found guilty. SCARBOROUGH: All right, Michelle, thank you so much for the report tonight. We greatly appreciate it. Now, a newspaper in Aruba has reported that, soon after Joran van der Sloot was arrested in June, he broke down crying and told Police that he and the Kalpoe brothers had buried Natalee. But then, soon after, he stopped cooperating with Investigators, about the same time his father spoke with him. And, according to the paper, there was actually a confession in this case. With me now is Natalee's uncle Paul Reynolds. Paul, thank you so much for being with us. I don't want to talk about this Dutch, Aruban newspaper report. What I do want to talk about is what you and the family were told by authorities. Did they ever tell you, did any government authorities ever tell you that there was a confession in this case regarding Natalee? PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process. You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice.And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared. SCARBOROUGH: And wait a second. I mean, these confessions were so rock solid that you actually had the FBI coming to you, coming to your family, Natalee's family, saying, we are sorry to tell you this, but there has been a confession. One of these boys has confessed, and Natalee is no longer alive. How do you pull something like that back off the table? Have you had or has your sister had or has anybody in the family had any explanation from Aruban officials whatever happened to this confession, where they buried it? REYNOLDS: I am not aware of any follow-up information. You know, this seemed to disappear from sight, these confessions did. At the time, we thought that because the investigation is kept secret, we thought it was ongoing, and maybe they just didn't want to release it officially at that time. But, as we see that the appeals, the hearings are showing there's no evidence, but yet we have these confessions, it doesn't make any sense. It's as if they are being hidden or taken away. SCARBOROUGH: You know, you said—talked about June the 10th. That's when you all were told that the confession had been made, and you said that the family actually started a grieving process. What did the family do? REYNOLDS: You know, grieving is—it's a difficult process. We were all notified. We exchanged phone calls, making sure everyone in the family was notified. I even had to tell my children, very upsetting to them, very upsetting to all of us. SCARBOROUGH: Wait, Paul. Are you telling me, back on June the 10th, you told your children, based on the confession of one of these—these punks that took Natalee away from the bar, that Natalee was dead? This was over a month ago. You had to break it to your family, the entire family, Natalee's entire family, because of the confessions, knew that she was dead, and yet here we are over a month later, and they are still claiming they don't have enough evidence to nail these guys? REYNOLDS: That's absolutely correct. You know, the FBI had informed my sister based on the initial interrogations that was their belief. That information was given to our family. And it's just—it's a very difficult thing to go through. Grieving should only be a process you have to go through one time. SCARBOROUGH: And, you know, Paul, despite that, a lot of legal experts that I have been talking to over the past 24, 48 hours are saying they believe it is possible that van der Sloot may walk. When—when this top-secret process—and, of course, now maybe we understand why the process is so top-secret, because there's obviously so much favoritism down in Aruba, that they want to be able to bury confessions, if they need to do that. They want to be able to play favorites. You have got a Police chief report, from all reports, from what we understand, very, very close.Government officials have told me, as well as you, that this Police chief is best friends with the van der Sloots. I mean, and yet, we are hearing on Thursday—there's the Police chief right there. We are hearing on Thursday by a lot of people that van der Sloot may walk because of the top-secret hearing that was held today. Is there anything you all can do about it if they decide to let him go? REYNOLDS: Well, we feel there are numerous problems with the investigation that question his credibility, you know, the—not taking the suspects into custody, the disappearing confessions, refusal to use the assistance of the FBI, not working with EquuSearch, keeping them from the van der Sloot property. There are so many questions. We feel that the authorities need to bring in an outside investigation to make sure and bring back credibility to this investigation, this process, and let us know what happened. SCARBOROUGH: All right. Thank you so much, Paul. We are going to stay with you, obviously, over the next few days, see what happens. And I will tell you what. You are exactly right. We need answers. There's a miscarriage of justice that's going on in Aruba right now. The investigation has been a sham from day one. We could list 1,000 things that they did wrong.But the main thing is, it smacks of favoritism. I told you that the first week. I am still sticking with it. Favoritism in Aruba is basically protecting Natalee—whoever abducted Natalee and, unfortunately, what we are hearing from the family, possibly murdered Natalee. We are going to be talking more about the Holloway case right after a short break.I'm also going to be bringing you my recent interview with the mother of the prime suspect, Joran van der Sloot. And then, with the new “Harry Potter” book coming out in just days, a movement out there to ban it. What don't they want your kids to read? We will talk to you about that later. Plus, the White House press corps is out for blood and it's all about Karl Rove. Could he end up getting kicked out of the West Wing? And does he deserve it? We will talk about that when SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY returns. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)SCARBOROUGH: Coming up, my recent interview with the mother of the key suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Plus, I am going to be talking to Natalee Holloway's parents' attorney, ask her what in the world happened today and whether Joran van der Sloot is going to walk. That's when SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY returns.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(NEWS BREAK)SCARBOROUGH: You are looking at pictures of Joran van der Sloot. He's in the back seat of a Police car with his head down, leaving the Aruban courthouse. Obviously, Aruba and America focused on this young man, the key suspect in the case.And, you know, he's—he obviously had a hearing today as part of his effort to get out of jail. We may know as soon as Thursday if the three-panel judge—the three-judge panel will set him free.But who is this young man many believe is behind Natalee's disappearance? Recently, I talked to his mom, and this is what she had to say about her son. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)ANITA VAN DER SLOOT , MOTHER OF SUSPECT: Joran is a 17-year-old teenager. He is a fantastic tall guy. He's a sporter. He plays tennis on the island, soccer, volley ball, softball. He is a boy who will come out of his bed and give his mom a hug. And, hi mom. How are you? Have a nice day. He is a very warm young boy. SCARBOROUGH: What has he told you about Natalee? VAN DER SLOOT: He hasn't told me anything, because, on the Monday, he went to school, like any normal boy. And he wasn't aware of—he was totally surprised when the Police asked him to come to the—or picked him up for interrogation. He was totally surprised. He really thought that the girl would be safe in the hotel and there was no reason to talk about her at all. SCARBOROUGH: Obviously, the eyes of America and Aruba are on your son and the other men who have been arrested in this case. How is he doing right now through this ordeal? VAN DER SLOOT: It is really tough. It's—I got a chance to talk to him for 10 minutes this morning, 10 minutes only. He had a very pale white face. He was complaining about a toothache, because we had an appointment at the dentist he couldn't go to. And you much understand, he got picked up by the Police on the very early morning of his graduation day. So, we were all preparing for him—sorry—to get ready. I had his robe hanging there. And we would have a nice celebration yesterday night. And, of course, I know it's important. The investigation is important. We cooperate totally. Joran is very open. He wants to do anything to help. But that was very tough on him. And that brought up a lot of emotions.He is very strong, because he says, mom, I'm—that, I'm innocent. I know I'm innocent. I know the truth will come forward or the girl will come forward. And he tries to hang in there. But it is really tough. And we cannot approach him, none of us. SCARBOROUGH: You know, there are a lot of parents, obviously, that obviously would never want to be in this sort of situation. But if you are in this sort of situation, what do you, what do your husband tell your son to get him through these difficult times? VAN DER SLOOT: You know, we have three children, two in teenage ages.And we always tell the kids to tell the truth, to—and Joran is not a—he is a good child, but he is, of course, not a model child, because he has his mistakes. And he cheated, and he kicks his brothers, and he does things any ordinary 17-year-old teenager would do, but we always try to talk. We are a very close family. We spend a lot of time talking about problems in the world. We look at news. We see things happen that are evil and that are wrong, and we warn the kids about drugs, about alcohol, the consequences that are there. Throughout the education at the international school, a lot of time is spent there, too, to make the kids conscious about all kind of risks they can take or not—they cannot take, and about responsibility, about respect for others. We are living on a multicultural island, and we always try to raise the kids with—see what's in the heart of people. Don't focus on the outside. Listen to people. Be respectful. SCARBOROUGH: Right. VAN DER SLOOT: If they go out, be careful. Don't go out alone. Always go with friends. Be aware that things can happen. SCARBOROUGH: All right. Thank you so much, Anita van der Sloot. We greatly appreciate it. I know this has to be a terribly difficult time for you, but we appreciate you coming out and telling us about your son. VAN DER SLOOT: Thank you. (END VIDEO CLIP) SCARBOROUGH: I want to bring in Vinda De Sousa. She's the attorney for the Holloway family. Thank you so much for being with us, Ms. De Sousa.Can you help clear up for us what happened today in court? I know it's a secret process, something we don't understand here in the United States. How much information do you have about what went on and when we may find out whether Joran van der Sloot walks or not?
VINDA DE SOUSA, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, like I have said before—good evening, first of all. Like I have said before, we do have, through myself, a very close communication with the prosecution, after we filed the joinder victimized party. And we are kept pretty much up to date of what's going on, as long as it is OK, yes, with the investigation, in order not to jeopardize it. We were informed of what happened today in court. It is a closed hearing, and it's not out of the ordinary. I must emphasize that, that it's not only in this case, but it's all cases. As long as you have an ongoing investigation, if I am not mistaken—correct me if I'm wrong—the same as in the U.S. As long as you have an ongoing investigation, not much information is disclosed. It's the same thing here. These are preliminary hearings. There is a judge of instruction in first instance that will—to go through all the evidence presented by the prosecution. It's an independent judge who serves as a—functions as a control mechanism to see if the law is abided by, both for the prosecution and for the defendant. And they will evaluate all the—the evidence presented and see if it is justified for a suspect to be held any longer. Now, today, as you know...SCARBOROUGH: All right, Ms. De Sousa, explain to us...DE SOUSA: Go ahead. SCARBOROUGH: No, no, go ahead. Tell me what happened today. DE SOUSA: Go ahead.Well, today was a panel of three judges. It's an appeal. And the panel of three judges went through all the information and all the evidence presented so far. I must clarify that the three-panel judge today has not been involved with the case before, so any other judge that was involved in the first instance, the judge of instruction, will not form part of the three-panel judge. So, it's a new, fresh look by new, fresh judges, going through all the evidence and seeing if what the first judge ruled is, indeed, what needs to be upheld. SCARBOROUGH: Ms. De Sousa, can you tell us about this confession? We heard from Natalee's uncle that the family had been told back on June the 10th that one of these boys confessed and that Natalee was dead. Any information on that? DE SOUSA: Well, you see, I wasn't involved with the case then. After I got involved with the case, I did ask if there was any truth to this. As you know, speculations run high. This is a small island. Everybody has grown weary. Everybody wants this case solved. (CROSSTALK)SCARBOROUGH: But the FBI was the one—it was FBI agents were the ones that went to the Holloway family and said that she was dead, that one of the boys confessed. The FBI—I don't believe they would have made that up. Do you have any information on that? DE SOUSA: No, because I just heard that on your program, that it was the FBI that went to the family and told them about this supposed confession. I have had no confirmation, nor denial, again, if this is true or not, so I will, again, take a look at it. But from what I understood, there was no evident confession to that part.SCARBOROUGH: All right. DE SOUSA: So, I cannot tell you whether it's true or not. SCARBOROUGH: Well, Ms. De Sousa, we are up on a hard break, but I got to ask you one more question. I know it's a small island, a small legal community. This may be a difficult question for you to answer, but we have also heard reports time and time again that the Police chief and Joran van der Sloot's father, very close friends. Can you tell us whether that's the case or not? DE SOUSA: Well, I know that, indeed, it's a small community, and everybody knows each other, and they were friends. But how close, I don't know. They might have been acquaintances. I have no confirmation to the fact that they were as close as to, for instance, what has been suggested, to indicate a cover-up by anybody. I have no confirmation of that, and...SCARBOROUGH: All right. DE SOUSA: ... up to this point, I don't have enough—I don't have confirmation. SCARBOROUGH: All right. Vinda De Sousa, thank you so much for being with us tonight. We greatly appreciate you coming on and telling us about your legal system and about the investigation. DE SOUSA: Sure.



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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, live to Aruba for news straight from the courtroom. Does the state have a case in the disappearance of an 18-year- old Alabama girl, Natalee Holloway? Just hours ago, Aruban prosecutors begged a judge to put two of the men last seen with Natalee back behind bars where many people believe they belong. Tonight, Natalee's family even more on edge. The American team of specialists looking for their girl could be headed back to the States, leaving Natalee's parents alone, alone to search the island, the beaches, and the ocean waters for their girl. But first, live to Aruba. Day 44, Natalee Holloway vanishes into thin air from her high school senior trip. Dutch F-16 jets fly over the island, pick up no signs of the Alabama beauty. And tonight, an American search team could be headed home. Just hours ago, Aruban prosecutors begged a judge to reverse the release of two brothers last seen with Natalee. Tonight, only one suspect, 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, still behind bars.In Aruba, Natalee's father, Dave Holloway, and her stepmother, Robin; in New York, defense attorney Jason Oshins; in L.A., defense attorney Debra Opri; in New York, forensic psychologist Dr. N.G. Berrill.But first, let's go to CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul. Karl, bring me up-to-date, friend. KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: As you say, Nancy, a series of appeals today in Aruba. One of them, obviously, filed by the prosecution to get the Kalpoe brothers taken back into custody. They were released because a judge at that stage said there was not enough evidence to continue holding them, although officially they are still classed as suspects. Another appeal also, but that by the defense attorney for Joran van der Sloot, saying that his client should be released from custody, there's not enough evidence to continue to hold him. And another appeal, as well, to allow -- or by the prosecution again to stop Antonio Carlo, defense attorney for Joran van der Sloot, being present during interrogation sessions. Now, one judge took away the court transcripts, heard the evidence in court today from the defense, from the prosecution. He's taking all that back tonight to the neighboring island of Curacao. He'll mull that over with two other judges. And he's expected to come back on Thursday with some kind of decision in these appeals, Nancy. GRACE: Karl Penhaul, why does he have to fly and confer with other judges before he makes a decision? The way I see it, I think you outline three major issues. Do the Kalpoe brothers go back behind bars? They were last seen with Natalee Holloway. Can van der Sloot get out from behind bars? And can the defense attorney be there when van der Sloot is being questioned? Are those three issue on the table? PENHAUL: Those are the three issues on the table. Now, the reason the judge has to take that back to Curacao now is that, under the Aruban legal system, appeals have to be heard by three judges. The judges from Curacao are presiding in this case to ensure some kind of impartiality. And so that's why he's taking it back to sit with his two colleagues, and he's coming back on Thursday, we understand, with some kind of ruling. GRACE: Karl Penhaul, don't move. I want to go to Dave and Robin Holloway. Mr. Holloway, do you have a problem like I do with all of these judges being so tight-knit? I mean, van der Sloot's dad is a local judge, a judge wannabe. I'm sure they've all worked together before and know each other. DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Well, that is a concern. But I'm hopeful that the impartiality will prevail and that we'll get the right decision. Whatever decision that is, you know, we'll just have to live with it and regroup. GRACE: Robin Holloway, it's my understanding that you guys have moved into the Holiday Inn, into Natalee's old room where her mom was staying. Is that true? ROBIN HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPMOTHER: It is. Beth had to -- she's here for -- just the duration. And she moved to a place that's got a kitchenette in it, you know, it's a little more like homey, just like an apartment. But it feels so good just being right there where Natalee was and just -- you know, I keep expecting her to walk in that door any minute. But it's reassuring to know where she was. (CROSSTALK) GRACE: Dave, why is the American search team heading home? D. HOLLOWAY: Well, we had good news today at around 2 o'clock. They had a press conference and indicated that they're going stay until at least Sunday, so...GRACE: Oh, I'm so grateful. D. HOLLOWAY: ... that gives me a little bit more hope. (CROSSTALK)GRACE: I'm so grateful. Now, where is it that they are searching? What are they doing? D. HOLLOWAY: Well, they're searching again around north of the Marriott with a dog team. They're also searching more of the island areas where, you know, they feel like that -- where would a 17-year-old or these group of guys, where would they put somebody? And you know, that's just, I guess, working through their mind of where would you put somebody and then searching those locations. GRACE: Take a listen to this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) QUESTION: Does the prosecutor have new evidence? Was there more presented against your client? ANTONIO CARLO, ATTY FOR JORAN VAN DER SLOOT : Not really. Today, there was no really new evidence. QUESTION: How is Joran? How is his demeanor? CARLO: He's doing well. He's holding up. He is very hopeful. And, again, today, he is continuing to maintain his innocence. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: To Karl Penhaul, Karl, there have been a lot of rumors swirling about new evidence for the state. What can you tell us about that? PENHAUL: As far as we know publicly, Nancy, there is really no new evidence. What the prosecution had to do at this stage was really reveal much or, in fact, all, of the evidence they had to date against these suspects to allow judges to decide which way the appeal would go or not. I do believe one of the defense attorneys did come out today mentioning some kind of new phone tap or some new evidence that have come from an Internet chatroom. GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, wait a minute. There you see van der Sloot, the judge's son, handcuffed to one of the Kalpoe brothers. Now, if that's not a way -- a perfect opportunity provided by the Police for them to get their stories straight, I've never seen one. They've been carefully separated since the get-go in different cells, even different locations. And there they are, handcuffed together, taking a nice little ride through the country, just enough time to get their stories straight. Karl Penhaul, what can you tell us about reports that have surfaced claiming that van der Sloot may have confessed to hiding Natalee's body on day two of the investigation? PENHAUL: Well, that was a report that came out in the "Diario" newspaper today. That's Aruba's largest newspaper, and is, obviously, widely respected on the island. You may remember, though, Nancy, that right back early in the days when those boys were first arrested, about the second or third day, a senior Police source also told CNN that, on the basis of his understanding, one of the boys had made a confession. In the subsequent days, they kind of appeared to backtrack from that, although that source did still stick to some kind of confession had been made. Obviously, though, it can't be any kind of full confession, because if it was a full confession, in terms of, "I did something, and Natalee is in such and such a place," then one would assume that the rescue workers and Police would already have gone and investigated that area, Nancy. GRACE: Very quickly, to Natalee's dad who is us tonight, Dave Holloway. Dave, I remember when those reports first surfaced. We were covering Natalee's story then. What do you know? Have Police told you anything about alleged confession on day two of the investigation? D. HOLLOWAY: No, we're not aware of any confession. That's one of the reasons the Texas EquuSearch people extended their stay was due to this report that came out in the newspaper that they had buried her north of the Marriott. You know, we jumped on that, then, and got the dogs back out there thinking, "Well, maybe we missed something." And we continue to search that area to either confirm or deny whether that's a true report. GRACE: We're going to bring in the whole panel when we get back. Jason Oshins, Debra Opri, and psychologist N.G. Berrill along, with Natalee's dad and stepmother, and of course, Karl Penhaul, who's been on the story from day one. Please stay with us. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) NADIRA RAMIREZ, MOTHER OF KALPOE BROTHERS: I should have been worried, yes, but why? Why? I mean, they all the proof. We have patience. The boy had patience, our lawyers, myself, father, sister. And we try to hold up and give them their time to do their work, you know. But I know that they were innocent, and they will be out.(END VIDEO CLIP)(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) QUESTION: Can you give us your comments on -- there was an article yesterday in "Diario" saying Joran broke down the second day of interrogation and said that Natalee was buried? Can you give us any...CARLO: I mean, that was outrageous. And I want to keep it at that. QUESTION: Are you saying it's false or did it happen? CARLO: It's outrageous. I will leave it at that. QUESTION: It's an outrageous report or is it incorrect? Is it fair to say that did happen? Did he break down and say that they buried her? CARLO: Of course not. Of course not. I have just said a moment ago my client is maintaining his innocence. QUESTION: So we just need you to rebuke that article, then, because a lot of people saw it. CARLO: I really don't have to review anything that has been reported, you know? I determine what we'll review or not, so that if you're telling me that was reported in newspaper, it's outrageous. So you know, it's the responsibility of those reporters that -- you know, they have to, you know, they have to report whatever they have to report. QUESTION: But you're maintaining it's a false report? CARLO: I'm maintaining it's an outrageous report. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Whoa, talk about parsing words. That was van der Sloot's attorney refusing to refute a story that was printed there in Aruba that his client, the judge's son, broke down and confessed to knowing where Natalee's body is, the lawyer, again, refusing to refute it. We extended invitations repeatedly to the family of Joran van der Sloot, his attorneys, Deepak Kalpoe, Satish Kalpoe, everybody, the whole kit and caboodle. Nobody wanted to appear or speak. We also issued an invitation to the prosecutor's office. They're playing the cards close to the vest. That was declined.Very quickly to Jason Oshins, the veteran defense attorney, did you hear that? It was kind of like "Nanny Nanny boo boo, I'm rubber, you're glue, bounce off me, stick on you, I don't have to refute that. I'm going to dodge the microphone until you go away." JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, to you, possibly, as a prosecutor. But obviously, listening inside, he responded to the word "refute" by saying, "I don't have to review anything." So there could have been a -- Nancy, there could have been -- clearly, there was a bit of a miscommunication between the reporter and the attorney. But clearly he indicated...GRACE: Now, wait a minute. Your theory -- your theory is he couldn't understand English? OSHINS: No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying he responded...GRACE: I like that.OSHINS: Nancy, he responded to the word "refute" by saying, "I don't have to review" -- review -- "anything." But clearly, in his language, he refuted everything possible by saying it was outrageous, outrageous. GRACE: Outrageous that they found out about it? That...OSHINS: No, that they reported that. GRACE: OK, hold on. Let me throw this to the lions. Debra Opri, you want to take a crack at this one? Come on, you want to tell me that lawyer with the law degree doesn't understand English? Excuse me, wasn't he speaking English? DEBRA OPRI, JACKSON FAMILY LAWYER: No, I'm not going for that piece of meat. That lawyer doesn't want to talk to the media, period. They have their own ways of doing things down in Aruba. They're privy to the Treaty of Rome for detentions and being held. All of the evidence there is going to stay there. They will not release it to the media unless someone in the family, some of the suspects who have been accused who have seen the evidence, will talk. So right now, that lawyer is doing his thing. He's just refusing to talk to the media. He understands everything more than we do. GRACE: Gotcha. Hey, let me get -- Rosie and Brett, can you re-rack that lawyer? I want to prove to Jason Oshins this guy does understand English. Yes, the one we just showed, Rosie. And also, is it like father, like son, like attorney? Brett, could you roll back the video of the dad running, the sprint away from the questions about his son? You know, I think this says it all. When I want to introduce the judge to you, I get a great shot of his behind. Oh, we have the (INAUDIBLE) first. OK, let's go to that. Take a listen, Jason Oshins. Let's see if this lawyer understands English. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) QUESTION: Can you give us your comments on -- there was an article yesterday in "Diario" saying Joran broke down the second day of interrogation and said that Natalee was buried? Can you give us any...CARLO: I mean, that was outrageous. And I want to keep it at that. QUESTION: Are you saying it's false or did it happen? CARLO: It's outrageous. I will leave it at that. QUESTION: It's an outrageous report or is it incorrect? Is it fair to say that did happen? Did he break down and say that they buried her? CARLO: Of course not. Of course not. I have just said a moment ago my client is maintaining his innocence. QUESTION: So we just need you to rebuke that article, then, because a lot of people saw it. CARLO: I really don't have to review anything that has been reported, you know? I determine what we'll review or not, so that if you're telling me that was reported in newspaper, it's outrageous. So you know, it's the responsibility of those reporters that -- you know, they have to, you know, they have to report whatever they have to report. QUESTION: But you're maintaining it's a false report? CARLO: I'm maintaining it's an outrageous report. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: I don't know, Jason, he was asked, "Is it incorrect?" Dodged that bullet. Asked, "Is it false?" Second dodge, successful dodge. He keeps saying, "I don't need to review these document." You're still telling me there's something lost in translation? OSHINS: What the reporter asked him to do was to rebuke it. And he said in responding by that word, he said, "I don't have to review it." But nonetheless, clearly, Nancy, he's rebuking it or refuting it by...GRACE: There's the client's dad. That's his back side. That's what he showed Karl Penhaul when Penhaul asked too many questions. You know, hold on just a moment. We need a shrink tonight. And here on the set is forensic psychologist N.G. Berrill. You know, reports have also surfaced that van der Sloot has been advised, possibly by his father, by someone, that, without a body, there is no case, to clam up, don't speak. What family member in their right mind would say something like that? N.G. BERRILL, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, blood is thicker than water. So you know, you get a lot of families -- if they know about something awful has happened, they're still complicit or willing to be complicit with hiding the truth. So that's what he sounds like, a father who may know something and is telling his son to clam up so you don`t wind up in jail. GRACE: I'm going to go back to Dave Holloway, along with Robin Holloway. This is Natalee's father and stepmother joining us. They're there on the island, along with Natalee's mom vowing not leave without their girl. Dave Holloway, do you really believe this judge, van der Sloot, and the son have told the truth? D. HOLLOWAY: No. Obviously, the first day he told his son and the other boys to keep quiet and don't say anything. Secondly, when Greta was at their house, he was sweating profusely. Thirdly, he indicated the no case, no body, or no body, no case. And you know, his actions of running away, and then he spent about four hours with the Dutch reporters to give a one-minute statement that really said nothing. So you know, those things lead me to believe that he knows more than what he's telling us. GRACE: Dave, have you met him face to face? D. HOLLOWAY: No, I have not. GRACE: You know, it just seems to me that, instead of running away, he would want to speak to you and assure you that he and his son have nothing to do with Natalee's disappearance. D. HOLLOWAY: You're exactly right. You know, all they've got to do - - you know, you've got three kids that's holding up everyone's lives, including the people here in Aruba. You know, I went searching yesterday afternoon. I told my wife, I said, "Look, I need to buy one of these papers and try to get someone to read it to me in Dutch." And I ended up searching, and I ran across a lady that asked me, "Are you searching for Natalee?" And I said, "Well, yes, are you searching for Natalee?" And she said, "Yes." And I had a, you know, conversation with her. And she was from around here, and she indicated that a lot of her friends and family members were just like us, you know, wanting to find Natalee. And that gives me great resolve in the fact that I know that, when the Texas EquuSearch leaves, they're still some people here that are going to continue looking and help us find them and bring her home. GRACE: With us, Natalee's dad, Dave, her stepmom, Robin Holloway. They're on Aruba. We'll be right back with Karl Penhaul.And what went down behind closed doors today in that case? And why behind closed doors? Very quick to "Trial Tracking." Still no trace of 3-year-old Jennifer Cervantes, her 18-month-old brother, Brian, missing since Sunday when their maternal uncle and grandparents found dead in the Arizona home. Police say the children could be with their biological dad, Rodrigo Cervantes Zavala, headed toward Mexico. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SGT. KIP RUSTENBURG, MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE: The mother gave information that the father of the children, Rodrigo Cervantes Zavala, may have the children. He has allegedly made threats to the family about two months ago. We're unsure whether the threats were made to her, her parents, or the children. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Please take a look. If you are any information on Brian and Jennifer Cervantes, please call the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, 602- 876-1011. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: You know, Nancy, as each day passes, I really just become even more and more determined. And, you know, and I know with my faith and trust in God, I know he is supporting me and everyone in the United States, and, of course, you know, Natalee's community of Mountain Brook, Alabama.You know, that is what is carrying me through this. And each day, I'm able to do it and will be able to do it. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are live in Aruba. Also looking for answers in the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway. Today, a make-or-break day in the case. Karl Penhaul, you've been on the case from the very beginning. When will we find out what happened behind closed doors in the judge's office today? PENHAUL: Very difficult to find out exactly what went on behind those closed doors because these sessions are closed to the media. They're closed to the general public. They're even closed to relatives and family members of those accused and of the victims. We know, in three broad terms, that the prosecution was appealing for the Kalpoe brothers to be re-arrested, that the defense attorneys were making an appeal for Joran van der Sloot to be released for lack of evidence, and that the prosecution was also calling for Joran van der Sloot's attorney to be banned from interrogation sessions. The exact nature of the arguments, and moreover the strength of the evidence that the prosecution had to present and the defense had to present, we don't know any of that. And we won't know any of that in the normal course of events. The next thing we should know is, on Thursday, when the judge comes out and makes some kind of ruling, Nancy. GRACE: Dave Holloway, I've only got a few seconds left. But it must be terrible, not only not having your girl, but dealing with an entirely different legal system. D. HOLLOWAY: It is. You know, you learn the system. And the system we're under here is the system we're going to have to work with. And I just hope that the 15 or 20 detectives that are currently working this case continue to work hard and the Aruban people continue their support. GRACE: OK. Dave and Robin Holloway, our prayers are with you.
Everyone, stay with us. R. HOLLOWAY: Thank you.



On 7-12 “Riehl World View” blog identity “Lago girl” reported:

I am very frustrated that the FSU forensic divers never searched Boca Mahos...they could have found evidence of Natalee Holloway there...I am certain of it.Now who will do that job? My childhood friends who used to skin dive and spearfish in there are way beyond the task, now.So difficult to be so far away and a voice in the wilderness...no one has answered my emails to Greta, Texas Equusearch, MSNBC, Aruba Today.I know that area of sea has to be the place they tossed the lifeless body of Natalee Holloway...or it has to be ruled out.Someone in Aruba, please contact the Texas Equusearch Mr. Miller about the probability that a dead body would most likely be tossed over the cliff at Boca Mahos...the old garbage dump into the sea where the sharks were fed. I was born in the Lago Hospital of the American oil refinery in Aruba and lived in the company town, Lago Colony (Seroe Colorado) all of my childhood and youth, until leaving for college in the States. All of my Lago friends who grew up in Aruba, including the boys who loved nothing more than skin diving and spearfishing, swam all of those waters with only flippers, snorkle and mask and their trusty spearguns.They all agree that by far, the fastest and easiest and surest way to dispose of a dead body would be to run over to Boca Mahos from Noord, drive up to the edge of the cliff and toss the body out into the crashing waves over the shear drop of the undercut cliff. Look at Boca Mahos and the boys I grew up with jumping into the sea as teenagers...This boca, cove, if you will, MUST be searched by the Navy Seals and the Florida State University forensic divers...or they will have missed the MOST LIKELY PLACE to dump a dead body to hide it forever.If they dive and search that boca, they will find some traces of Natalee...I am sure...very very very sure.All of my Aruba friends who know the island as well as I do, and beter, agree...dive in Boca Mahos...and you will find something...…So, it is imperative that the modern day boys of the Navy and FSU go diving to see what they can find in Boca Mahos...the boys of Lago Colony would go, again, taking only photos, and leaving only bubbles...for they loved being in the sea more than anything in the life of a teenage lad lucky enough to be born and grow up in Aruba...nothing in our lives will ever be better than the childhoods we were granted by Fate...that our American and Dutch and British parents worked for Lago Oil and we lived in Aruba.Please search Boca Mahos...that is the only place that makes any sense...Sue Gravendijkdaughter of Arie Gravendijk, head cashier, Lago Oil and Transport Co., Ltd, Aruba “Posted by: Lago girl Tuesday, July 12, 2005 at 07:36 PM


On May 20, 2006 “Blogs For Natalee” identity “FloridaDoug” reported:

Book Report -- “The Natalee Holloway Case” by Isaac ChinSome of my General Comments --
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In the chapter called "My Scenario" -- Isaac Chin gives his opinion of what happened to Natalee. In brief his scenario has the beach near the fisherman's huts as the crime scene where JVDS rapes and kills Natalee -- accidentally strangling her in the process of silencing her screams. JVDS calls his father, and Natalee's body is disposed of in Boca Mahos where sharks devour the body. Isaac Chin says he has driven the route to Boca Mahos and there is no chance of being seen driving a vehicle to or from Boca Mahos or being seen disposing of a body. The disserted landscape around Boca Mahos and the fact that a vehicle can be driven right up to the cliff edge, makes Boca Mahos an excellent choice for body disposal in Chin's view. According to Chin, Boca Mahos was not searched by divers until 41 days into the case -- too late.



7-13-05
On July 15, 2005 TIM MILLER reported that on July 6, 2005 he was informed that while snorkeling on July 6, 2005 about a “half-mile from the Marriott off Arashi beach,“ FORNARO discovered one bone in the ocean that she found “between 2 large rocks.” FORNARO describes the bone as being 3.5” to 5.0” long, larger at one end that was rounded “like a bone joint,” gray in color, and still had a “whitish tissue that was still meaty and flesh-like that was still attached to the bone.” When asked if she thought it was a human bone, FORNARO said, yes, she thought it was a human’s bone because the bone had not been cooked nor barbecued like an animal bone might have been if eaten as food. FORNARO wrapped the bone in paper, but even wrapped in paper she described its smell as so pungently bad and so strong that she had to put the wrapped bone in the trunk of her car while she and her mother transported the bone to the ARUBAN Police station in NOORD (the very same Police station very close to the Murder Suspects VAN DER SLOOT‘s home, and, the same Police station where the Murder Suspects VAN DER SLOOT‘s were arrested and held within). When she gave the bone to someone behind the “reception desk” at the ARUBAN Police NOORD station, the person who accepted the bone told her that the Police specialist who will examine the bone was on vacation, and that the Police detectives will be contacting her. On July 13, 2005 while lunching somewhere, FORNARO noticed a “Texas EquuSearch” team member also lunching in the same place. FORNARO told the “Texas EquuSearch” team member about her finding the bone near the “Marriott Hotel,” she described the bone, and FORNARO said she had taken the bone to the ARUBAN Police station in NOORD and turned it over to the Police. The “Texas EquuSearch” team member asked FORNARO to show him exactly where she found the bone, and FORNARO did so. While at the discovery location they also found a pair of thong underwear and a yellow-colored hair “scrunchie.“ The same day the “Texas EquuSearch” team member asked FORNARO if the Police had contacted her. When FORNARO said the Police have not contacted her, the “Texas EquuSearch” team member asked if she would mind going to the ARUBAN Police station at NOORD and checking on the bone. FORNARO agreed. When she went into the Police station and asked to speak with a detective about the bone she turned in, the woman Police officer asked FORNARO (paraphrasing), “Oh, you mean the two bones?”
As of 7-17 FORNARO has still not been contacted by the ARUBAN Police "detectives". (On 7-15 there was a CNN report that 2 bones were found at 2 different times by 2 different persons and that 1 of the bones has, supposedly, been determined to be from a donkey…. But that begs the question…. If the ARUBAN Police forensics bone specialist was on vacation, how could s/he have determined one bone was from a donkey, and why has not the other bone, presumably the bone FORNARO discovered, been publicly announced what type of bone it has been determined to be????) TIM MILLER stated the Police have never notified “Texas EquuSearch” about the bone.
As of 7-15 TIM MILLER has not heard anything about the bone--if it has been tested?, testing results?, if it is human remains? etc. On 7-15 BADEN stated that “any physician could easily determine if the bone was human or animal.” BADEN called it “outrageous” that Police are dragging their feet about the bone. BADEN stated , “ARUBAN Police are not really on top of this case” also sighting the apparent lack of speedy interest in the bone and the fact that the Police should have been removing the cement barrel from the “Marriott Hotel“ water, not “Texas EquuSearch.” (FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN also pointed out that the no one has said the bone is from an animal) TIM MILLER stated that an ARUBAN tipster mentioned they had noticed the barrel in the water around 7-1. BADEN indicated that unless a body in the ocean was in some kind of container, it would be mostly gone by now.
Dr. of criminal forensics MICHAEL BADEN also reminded us that when Current Murder Suspect JOHNS and Current Murder Suspect JONES were arrested that it was reported almost immediately after their arrest that each of their body’s were forensically inspected for bruises, scratches, cuts, hair fibers, etc but it seems that when Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was taken in for questioning, and even though several witnesses now have mentioned a bruise readily visible on Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s face, nothing has similarly been stated that his body was ever forensically inspected for his or another persons bruises, scratches, cuts, hair fibers, blood, other DNA, etc., etc.
On 7-13 the “East Texas Canine Search and Rescue” left ARUBA. The team used ATVs to look for clues in the teenager's disappearance. They also covered much of the island on foot. After seven days, the crew came back to Lufkin, TX, still not knowing what happened to NATALEE. The ARUBA trip was the first time the East Texas Canine Search and Rescue team left the country to join a search. To find out how you can volunteer, call (936) 674-6926.
BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated 7-13 that several of the Mountain Brook high school classmates that she has spoken with and/or have been interviewed by the UNITED STATES F.B.I. upon their return have said that Murder Suspect SLOOT claims to them that he was a foreign DUTCH exchange student who was (temporarily) staying at the “Holiday Inn” as a tourist.
BETH stated 7-13 that she has found out that on 5-31 when Current Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT claimed the Police that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was at the “Wyndham Hotel” gambling at 3 AM, that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was not actually at the “Wyndham Hotel.” (BETH did not elaborate)
On 7-13 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that the ARUBA government has not given the family any information about her recourse of actions depending upon what happens after the 3 appeals judges decisions on 7-14. She said the Police have never disclosed to the family the working theory of where NATALEE is or their working theory of what may have happened to NATALEE. BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that the family is not even sure --because of all the lies the boys have told-- of what is NATALEE’s last known location. BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated she is receiving large stacks of mail sent to her on the island and it is the letter-senders prayers and words of support that are giving the family strength. (she also mentioned some letters include letter-sender’s phone number and/or business cards--which made me think some are attorneys offering their help for future civil actions against Murder Suspects)
On 7-13 when asked what draws the KALPOE’s into the case BETH stated, “I think we have to go back to the fact that these 3 boys are the last 3 boys to be seen with NATALEE alive.”
On 7-13 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that they are still communicating with the UNITED STATES F.B.I. and that the UNITED STA ES F.B.I. does share what new information about the case that they learn.
On 7-13 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that he learned from one of the suspects attorneys that there is evidence consisting of text-messages sent after 5-31 between one of the Murder Suspect KALPOE’s to friends (but not Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ) in the form of an Internet chat. TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that some of the F-16 flyovers evidence is in. ((there is a rumor that the F-16's found suspicious tire tracks at a remote location)) TITO LACLE also said that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has 3 lawyers. TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that Murder Suspect SLOOT’s lawyers are communicating with one or both of the Murder Suspects KALPOE attorneys.
On 7-13 TIM MILLER stated they have received “1000’s of tips from Arubaans,” and said there have been deliberately bogus tipsters.
On 7-13 LINCOLN GOMEZ reported to FOX News that even if a suspect is freed, the ARUBA prosecutor has a “basic jurisprudence” of 2 years in which charges against the suspect(s) can be brought for the same crime(s). He said that there is no higher appeal allowed in the DUTCH system than the first appeal hearing, and only 3 judges are utilized at the appeal hearing. GOMEZ said that the prosecutor has to formally charge a suspect within the 116 maximum days of confinement. Once formally charged then the trial date is set, then the trial occurs.
On 7-13 TIM MILLER alluded to the reward for NATALEE being raised substantially.
On 7-13 FOX News reported that unless something significant is found soon, the team would be leaving ARUBA on 7-17.
On 7-13 ELLIS-SCHIPPER, member of the ARUBA “STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS TASK FORCE,” claimed to FOX News that the evidence against Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was, “thin, thin, thin” and he may be freed. (Murder Suspect SLOOT was retained under arrest 7-14)
“East Texas Canine Search and Rescue” left ARUBA on 7-13.
On 7-13 FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN wrote in her “Gretawire“ blog, “Feeling a bit "land-locked" Tuesday [7-12], I made a bunch of phone calls to Aruba to get more information. I spoke briefly — very briefly – with Police commissioner Jan van der Straten. He was not very "chatty" when I identified myself as part of the media, but he was polite... very polite. Getting information out of the Police commissioner is a bit like "pulling teeth," but when I confronted him about the report in the Aruban paper (that Joran allegedly said in an interrogation that he buried Natalee), he said, "I don't recognize it." I replied, "Does that mean it did not happen?" He responded, "I don't recognize it." Thinking he had not heard me, I tried again and he again said, "I don't recognize it." I then said, "Would you know if it had happened that way? Would you know if Joran said in an interrogation that he buried Natalee?" He then responded, "Yes." Our conversation ended there. So... I report what I hear, but leave it to you to decide how much weight to give the newspaper article and the commissioner's remarks. The Aruban paper claims to have good sources. Tuesday night the managing editor of the paper was on our show and he insists his information is good. I also reached the chief prosecutor on the phone yesterday. She tried to get me off the phone as fast as she could (I would not described her as "chatty.") I asked her a series of questions about procedure — and learned that she did not argue the case yesterday since it is an appeal. Her senior handles appeals. The judges who will decide the detention issues for all three are from a neighboring island —- and there are three judges, not one, who make this decision.”
On 7-13 ARUBAAN's news-source "Amigoe.com" reported: (this was translated using an online service)

Reprimand head officer not along normal goneORANJESTAD. spoken normally come all disciplinary sanctions. The reprimand of head officer Karin Janssen I have not seen, thus Harold Boersen, director of the cabinet of the governor. it perhaps is able be that there to disciplinary measures against magistrates another procedure applies.The governor signs, just like the responsible minister, all letters in which disciplinary measures are announced against civil servants. This has not yet happened at the reprimand of Janssen by Procurator-General Theresa Croes-Fernandes. For this reason it has not been confessed or this official reprimand is or a firm collision where hard words have fallen.Boersen: the governor has been spoken normally the competent authority for disciplinary measures. That has been regulated in the country regulation material Arbeidsrecht, the LMA.. Boersen weet 100 per cent certainly or this procedure also for members of the Public Prosecution Service do not apply: I do not know their rechtspositionele status. In the LMA stands that the Procurator-General does not fall under these Article of the LMA. Or that also (hoofd)officieren of justice apply, there I am not certainly of.According to Boersen disciplinary sanctions are announced always firstly. _ in the letter stand that a disciplinary measure consider and that the weather-beaten seven day the time have a justification aim to the governor.ARREST
Janssen do not want react to the question if she submits an objection against the reprimand. An underlying aim for the conflict have been suffered lain in the arrest of two partisanpartisan partisans some months. They will have committed from the governing board office dreigtelefoontjes. Commissioner Jan V Straten came about this in conflict with MEP-minister of justice Rudy Croes.



On 7-13 MSNBC reported:

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: Tonight's top headline: breaking news out of Aruba. Sources suggest explosive new details from eyewitnesses in the Natalee Holloway case.
Welcome to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY, No passport required, only common sense allowed.
Could the prime suspect in Natalee Holloway's disappearance walk?
We're live in Aruba with the late developments.
And, in a SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY showdown, America's top lawyers battle over the case against Joran van der Sloot.
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But, first, let's get the latest from Aruba, where we're going to learn tomorrow whether the key suspect in the Natalee Holloway case will walk or be thrown back in jail.
Let's go live right now to NBC's Michelle Kosinski. She's in Aruba tonight.
Michelle, give us the very latest.
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Well, now we're only a couple hours away really from finding out the judges' pleasure in these five appeals that were before them.
Most importantly, the prosecutors want the Kalpoe brothers put back in jail. And Joran van der Sloot's attorneys want him out of jail. Yesterday, we talked a little bit about new evidence we found out was presented yesterday before these judges by prosecutors. Now we know that evidence was in the form of witness statements, some new statements by witnesses that was added to the material in this case.
Here's the thing, though. Prosecutors were required to put forward everything they had before these appeals court judges. So, just because they have new witness statements doesn't mean it necessarily adds significantly to their case. And that's the sort of thing that we've been hearing from other attorneys.
The attorneys for the suspect say, hey, this stuff doesn't pertain to my client. It doesn't really add to the case. We've heard it all before.
So, that all remains to be seen. And, of course, the judges are going to be the ones who have to decide just what this means to the case. And we're expected to hear that decision at 2:00 in the afternoon tomorrow.
Now, all this has been hard on the family. In fact, you know, the best-case scenario for them, they say, is for all three of these suspects to be behind bars.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I know—I definitively know those three individuals have involvement with her disappearance, yes. And—yes. And I—as her mother, I can say is a crime committed against my daughter.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KOSINSKI: We found out a little bit more today, too.
What will it take for prosecutors to get their way and have these Kalpoe brothers put back in jail? Well, just like in our legal system, there's always a benchmark at certain parts of the investigation. Early on, to make an arrest, it's a reasonable suspicion. Later on, for a conviction, we need beyond a reasonable doubt. For a civil case, it's a preponderance of the evidence. You know those benchmarks.
Well, in this legal system, the judges will have to see that there's a serious suspicion and that there's sufficient evidence that's there for these boys to be put back behind bars. They'll have to show—they'll have to find evidence that will show that these boys did have some involvement. So, we're going to wait and see tomorrow afternoon on that.
Michelle, what are you hearing about these eyewitness accounts? Are they eyewitness accounts placing these men at the scene of the crime or are they just eyewitness accounts regarding Joran's involvement with Natalee Holloway earlier in the evening?
KOSINSKI: Don't we wish we knew? That's been the speculation. Every since we found out that they were witness statements, the door pretty much snapped closed on us.
In fact, it was tough to even get that information, as to what this new evidence was. And, you know, it was tough to even find out that there was anything new presented. rMDNM_Nobody—and our only sources, of course, here are attorneys. And none of them want to talk about this evidence, because, obviously, it involves somebody. And it will affect some of these people, but they want to say right now, it doesn't affect my client.
So, we may not know anything about these details until, you know, if and when there could be a conviction in this case.
SCARBOROUGH: Michelle, final question. Is there a feeling in the prosecutor's office that they're going to be able to keep Joran in jail?
KOSINSKI: Well, we're hearing from pretty much all sides right now that things could very well stay status quo.
But there have been other surprises in this case as well. Bringing in Joran van der Sloot's father, putting him in jail, some people weren't expecting that. Then the prosecutor's office let us know that he allegedly told all three of the boys that, without a body, there's no case. That was sort of a surprise detail that we never expected to get.
So, you never know. And, at this point, nobody wants to say much, but, you know, we might not have any changes here. The Kalpoes might stay out of jail. And Joran might stay in. But it's really anybody's guess right now. The system is very quiet.
SCARBOROUGH: Very quiet, indeed. Michelle, thank you so much for being with us. Michelle Kosinski, as always, we greatly appreciate it.
Now, friend, let me tell you, I'm going to give you some information right now. It's information that you're not hearing on TV. It's information that you haven't heard certainly in the court system. Inside sources in this investigation tell me and have told me—and I found out earlier today that there are reports from people who are inside the bar that, actually, Natalee Holloway was approached twice by Joran van der Sloot.
Twice, he made passes towards her. Twice, she rebuffed him. The second time, she pushed him away. And a friend of hers from Birmingham from the school hit him with a closed—or, I'm sorry—Joran hit Natalee Holloway with a closed fist. Then this friend tried to walk in between the two and tried to stop him from aggressively going after her and suggested that he take it outside. If he wanted to fight somebody, he should fight somebody his own size.
It's going to be very interesting to see if that information comes out tomorrow in the court hearing, whether we find out, again, two times—and I'll tell you what. This information, when I learned it today from somebody very close to the case, this information certainly changes what we've heard, which, early on, we heard, of course, that Natalee just jumped in the car and drove away.
Obviously, Joran van der Sloot, according to these sources, aggressively went after her twice. She tried to rebuff him two times. The second time, he struck her. We'll see whether that information comes out tomorrow.
Now, as we heard from Michelle, tomorrow is potentially a decisive day in the search for the truth in this case. With me now to talk about what people in Aruba are saying is the editor in chief of “Aruba Today,” Julia Renfro.
Julia, thank you so much for being with us tonight.
What can you tell us about what Arubaans on the street are saying? Do they want to see Joran set free tomorrow? Do they want to see the Kalpoe brothers stay out of jail? Or do they want to see them, all three, thrown in jail?
JULIA RENFRO, (the transplanted AMERICAN in ARUBA who moved to ARUBA 17+ years ago and owns an interest in many ARUBA businesses including an ARUBAAN's news-source): Well, right now, nobody is anticipating Joran being set free.
Although, from our understanding, no actual new evidence was presented, as the prosecutor made us aware this afternoon that she didn't have to present anything new in order for the judge's appeal to make a decision. It was basically based on the same information that the judge of instruction had on what and he the other two judges in Curacao are going to make their decision on.
And, of course, Aruba supports that. If the judges of appeal decide that the two Kalpoe brothers need to be back in jail, Aruba is 100 percent supportive with that.
SCARBOROUGH: You know—you know, Julia, a lot of people—we've been hearing a lot of Arubaans have been angry at Natalee Holloway's family, believing that they've been too aggressive in seeking the truth. What's the feeling right now? Do you believe that most Arubaans are now supportive of the family or do you think that was a gross overstatement? That was just 200 people protesting?
RENFRO: It was not 200 people protesting. It was 200 people demonstrating what Aruba was about, the friendliness of the island, that Aruba was turning into a welcome mat that was just being absolutely stepped on.
No question about it. I was there at the protest demonstration. And it was all about, this is who we are. This is our justice system. We believe in our justice system. Let it prevail.
SCARBOROUGH: Do you think, though—I mean, you say it wasn't a protest. Do you—were there, though, many people there that were angry with Natalee Holloway's family and believed that the family was too aggressive?
RENFRO: No, it wasn't about that at all. Absolutely not. It was how it was being presented by different networks. That's all it was about.
Nobody was upset with Mrs. Twitty. Everyone knows that she has missed her—missing her daughter. And everyone feels for that. Arubans have—all people have been out there looking, searching, crying and praying for the return of Natalee Holloway.
SCARBOROUGH: All right. Thank you so much, Julia Renfro. We greatly appreciate you being with us tonight.
RENFRO: Thanks.
SCARBOROUGH: Now, to preview tomorrow's hearing, let's discuss what we know about Joran van der Sloot.
First of all, he said he left Natalee alive on the beach the night she went missing, that he was free for 10 days after Natalee disappeared, before being arrested on June the 9th. That's why so many of us have been angry at the Aruban system. Investigators removed evidence from his home a few days after his arrest. Prosecutors say he was coached by his father. Remember the famous “no body, no crime”?
And, also, Joran changed his story to police after the Kalpoes changed their story. Joran is the only suspect still left in custody. And prosecutors believe there's enough evidence to hold him there indefinitely.
So, given that information, what might a case involving Joran look?
With me now to talk about this tomorrow, an all-star legal duo, famed defense attorney Mickey Sherman and also Lisa Bloom, the famed Court TV anchor.
I'd like to welcome both of you.
And, Lisa, let me start with you. Prosecute this case.
LISA BLOOM, COURT TV ANCHOR: Look, Joran changed his story in a significant way.
First, he said he left her at her hotel. Then it turns out he went to the beach with her. That's a significant change. And then he leaves a young woman, 18 years old, alone on the beach in a foreign country at 2:00 a.m. Are you kidding me? These circumstances are so suspicious.
And, Joe, I take note of what you said, the information that you just revealed on your show, that he previously struck her. If that's true, this is a man willing to cross the line, willing to actually physically assault a woman. And why? Because she rebuffed him. Because she had the gall to say no to him. I think the circumstances are highly suspicious against Joran van der Sloot.
Why is his dad, a judge on the island, telling him, no body, no crime?
If he's indeed innocent, I would expect his father to say, you're innocent.
You have nothing to worry about.
I think this is all very suspicious when you put it all together.
SCARBOROUGH: Mickey Sherman, defend him.
MICKEY SHERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, of course it's suspicious. That's why these guys are locked up.
But I got to tell you, we in this country do not own the only recipe for justice. I think we're being overly tough on the Aruba criminal justice system. I think they're trying...
SCARBOROUGH: They let him walk for 11 days.
SHERMAN: I think that...
SCARBOROUGH: Let the chief suspect walk for 11 days, Mickey. Come on. If it were your daughter, you'd be going crazy.
SHERMAN: They're suspects, you know.
Anybody who is prosecuted should be—anywhere. I don't care whether it's Aruba or in the United States or anyplace anywhere. They should be prosecuted only if there's available, competent, credible evidence. And we shouldn't backfill for that with moral outrage and our desperate need to solve the crime.
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SHERMAN: And that's what we're talking about here.
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CARLSON: Mickey, Mickey, hold on a second. Mickey, if it's your daughter, Mickey—Mickey, if it's was your daughter...
SHERMAN: Yes.
SCARBOROUGH: She's seen leaving a bar with three suspects.
SHERMAN: Right. Right.
SCARBOROUGH: They're allowed to roam for 11 days. And, instead, they pick up two black guys who just happened to be in neighborhood at the time.
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SCARBOROUGH: You would be as angry as me. You would be as angry as Natalee Holloway's mother.
SHERMAN: And, by the way, I don't take issue with Natalee Holloway's mother. I think she gets a free pass. Her daughter is missing, very likely deceased. So, she can say whatever she wants about anybody. I think the Aruba folks have been very kind to her and they will continue to be kind. And I don't have a problem with her criticizing the system.
But this system isn't necessarily broken down. I mean, what they did, they've been extraordinarily zealous. This is a country whose 70 percent income in based on tourism.
SCARBOROUGH: Oh, come on, Mickey.
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SHERMAN: They locked up three guys.
SCARBOROUGH: I'm going to—I'm going to let you explain that on the other side of the break.
Extraordinarily zealous?
SHERMAN: Yes. They locked up three guys for nothing.
SCARBOROUGH: It's like calling the Keystone Cops Sherlock Holmes.
Come on.
SHERMAN: They locked up the suspect's father.
SCARBOROUGH: For nothing? OK, you're going to have to explain that to me on the other side of the break.
Mickey, Lisa, stay with us. We have a lot more when we come back.
And, also, we have new information about an international mystery. A Connecticut man on his honeymoon vanishes from a cruise ship. Now a gruesome discovery that has jolted this investigation into overdrive. They found blood in the cabin.
Plus, they helped bring down a president years ago. But, tonight, Woodward and Bernstein are in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY to tell us about a threat to America that they say could be even greater than terrorism.
Don't go away. SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY is just getting started.
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SCARBOROUGH: Amazing video. A marlin fights back against a teen trying to reel him in. And we are going to talk to somebody who saw it live and saw how the marlin speared the boy.
That's when we return.
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SCARBOROUGH: That's the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Joran van der Sloot.
Let's go back to our all-star panel, Mickey Sherman and Lisa Bloom.
Lisa, Mickey said that the police officers have been incredibly diligent, that they drug in these three poor boys for no reason. Respond.
BLOOM: Well, it just seems silly. Let's use our common sense.
A girl is missing. She's probably dead. Joran van der Sloot says, she just volunteered to stay alone on the beach at 2:00 a.m. in Aruba. Sure, that was fine with her. He left her there. And then I suppose she just threw herself into the sea, went so far out that the current swept her away and she was never seen again.
Let's put together the fact that we have a missing girl, that the boy's story has changed several times on significant points, that it makes no sense at all, and that his father has essentially told him to keep quiet. There's a lot here. There's good reason to keep Joran van der Sloot in custody. And that's what the courts are going to decide tomorrow.
SHERMAN: So the father should...
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SCARBOROUGH: Mickey, I got to ask you, if you got the father saying no body, no crime, you have got Joran van der Sloot changing his story three times, lying to the police, lying to investigators, he is the last one that is seen with her, I mean, come on.
SHERMAN: OK. But, Joe...
SCARBOROUGH: I mean, what else do you need for probable cause to throw the guy in jail?
SHERMAN: Yes, but what's the evidence that he has committed the crime, other than he lied and he's maybe not the nicest person and he listened to his lawyer, who happens to be his father's advice?
You know, the father, they locked him up for, what, three to five days. All he did was go over there, see his son, and tell him, don't make any incriminating statements. That's what every lawyer in the world does.
SCARBOROUGH: And get rid of the body.
BLOOM: How about—how about punching her in the face, Mickey. How about punching her in the face with a closed fist, as Joe just reported?
SHERMAN: All right. OK. Fine.
BLOOM: Isn't that significant?
SHERMAN: And that's the guy who just came forward. Where has he been the last two weeks, on Mars? I don't buy that. This is some...
BLOOM: Well, sometimes, witnesses take a while to come forward.
SHERMAN: No way.
BLOOM: Sometimes they take years to come forward, especially in this kind of media glare.
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SHERMAN: Not in the big case.
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SCARBOROUGH: Mickey, Mickey what about—you know what, Mickey? I can't give you all the details here. But I believe it's going to come out soon and you will understand why this person hasn't come forward.
But I have got to ask you again, I mean, again, this guy changes his story three times, and very suspicious.
SHERMAN: People do that.
SCARBOROUGH: He is the last—he is the last one seen at the—when she is going away. Isn't that enough, even in the United States, to keep somebody in jail? Just because there's not a body, why let him go?
BLOOM: Why would an innocent person change his story?
SHERMAN: Maybe. Maybe, maybe not.
The problem is, you still have to build a bridge between that conduct, which is suspicious, to the commission of a murder.
BLOOM: But, Mickey...
SHERMAN: And it's not there. You can't make chicken soup out of chicken feathers, no matter how much you want to do it.
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SCARBOROUGH: So, if you get rid of the body, if you get rid of the body, then you walk. Is that what you are saying?
BLOOM: Why would an innocent person change his story, Mickey?
SHERMAN: People do it all the time.
BLOOM: Why not just tell the truth right from the beginning?
SHERMAN: People do it all the time. They are in custody. They're nervous. They make mistakes. They are stupid. That's what happens.
BLOOM: Mickey, do you believe he left her alone on the beach in the middle of the night?
SHERMAN: Don't know. Don't know.
BLOOM: And that that was consensual? That's what she wanted. Sure.
An American girl...
SHERMAN: Have no clue.
BLOOM: ... 2:00 a.m. on an Aruban beach, why not?
SHERMAN: But I wouldn't put somebody away for life on...
BLOOM: That's preposterous.
SHERMAN: ... because I think that that's probably what happened. You don't go to jail, you don't spend your life in jail because that's probably what happened. You need credible, competent evidence.
BLOOM: No. But we're not talking about locking him up for life. We're talking about keeping him in jail, keeping him answering questions from the police, because, eventually, one of these young men is going to crack.
I think there's too many of them. They are too young. And there's too much pressure on them. Eventually, the truth will come out, and the police need to continue to question them to get answers, because poor Beth Twitty and the remainder of the family is left alone in Aruba, trying to figure this out for themselves.
SCARBOROUGH: It's absolutely awful.
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SCARBOROUGH: Lisa, I got to ask you a final question. Do you believe that, in the end, if Joran followed his father's advice, if he was, in fact, involved and he got rid of the body, that eventually he is going to walk?
BLOOM: No, I don't, because I do have faith that the truth eventually comes out.
You know, we see cold cases all the time on Court TV. We are showing another one tomorrow; 29 years later, someone is being tried for murder. Mickey Sherman knows well in the Skakel case...
SHERMAN: Yes.
BLOOM: People can be tried many years later. Eventually...
SHERMAN: And you don't need a body. You don't need a body for—to prove a murder.
BLOOM: ... someone talks. Eventually, evidence comes out.
SHERMAN: You don't need the body, but you need competent evidence.
SCARBOROUGH: All right. Thanks a lot, Mickey Sherman, Lisa Bloom.
Greatly appreciate you being with us tonight.
BLOOM: Thanks, Joe.
SHERMAN: Yes.



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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, live to Aruba. A roller coaster ride of emotions, up and down, there on the tiny island as hopes were raised today for a break in the Natalee Holloway case. The 18-year-old girl went missing from her high school senior trip there in Aruba. Natalee Holloway's family tonight on edge. In the last two hours, Natalee's mom has publicly announced she has information that the three suspects are, in fact, involved in her daughter's disappearance, as they all wait for a judge's ruling to be handed down in the in the next 24 hours. That ruling could make or break the search for Natalee Holloway.
But first, tonight, to Aruba. An American search team combing the island, reverses their decision to give up the search. They agreed to stay on the island. As of tonight, only one suspect remaining, Joran van der Sloot, the judge's son, behind bars. The others have walked free.Tonight, we wait, along with the Holloway family, on a judge's ruling whether he, too, will walk free.Tonight, West Tampa, Florida, defense attorney Joe Episcopo; in Seattle, Washington, defense attorney Anne Bremner; in New York, clinical psychologist Dr. Patricia Saunders. But first, let's go to Atlanta and CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul. Karl, what happened today in the search? For a moment there, hopes were up. KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There certainly was a flurry of activity up there on the northern shore of Aruba, an area called Boca Prim (ph). Now, that's in the national park, an area of soft sand dunes in an outlet where a dry riverbed meets the stormy sea there. And what Texas EquuSearch members had found, according to what they've told me by phone, is a four-foot deep hole, a pile of sand alongside it. And they thought that this may have been a hole that could have been used to store Natalee's remains for a temporary period of time and then later dug up and moved on. They called in the Police. The Police came in. And later on in the afternoon, they ruled out any connection between this hole and Natalee's disappearance, Nancy. GRACE: So, Karl, the first thing I had heard earlier today was there was shallow digging the size of -- the dimensions of a body. And that must have caused a flurry of activity. To Dr. Patricia Saunders, very quickly, you've got this whole family on pins and needles. They're waiting for this judge, who is apparently chummy with the chief suspect's father, for Pete's sake, waiting on a decision. And now they hear this, this shallow digging, the dimensions of a body. They must have thought the worst. DR. PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: I think there in the process of getting used to the idea that Natalee may not be coming home. GRACE: Everybody, take a listen to this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I would like to apologize to the Aruban people and the Aruban authorities if I or my family offended you in any way. It was never my intention to do so. And as for the Aruban people, they have been extremely kind and generous and especially supportive of myself and my family during this tragedy. QUESTION: Beth Holloway's apology on Friday, were you happy with the that? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's not comment on that. QUESTION: Do you think it applied to your client? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It did not. QUESTION: Do you wish it would have? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I wish it would have, yes. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: First, that was Natalee Holloway's mother -- we've had here on the show many nights begging for information regarding her daughter -- apologizing to people there in Aruba. Karl Penhaul, they wanted an apology, and then others close to the case said that apology wasn't good enough? Why was Natalee's mother having to issue an apology? Ridiculous! PENHAUL: Certainly this case has been very closely watched by the people of Aruba. You'll remember, in the first few days, the people of Aruba turned out en masse to help for the hunt for Natalee. As the case has gone on, as Natalee's mom is staying there, the people of Aruba have continued to help, but the hackles have been roused, also, by the continued media presence and because they keep hammering on this case, hammering on this case. The Aruban people feel the image of their island has been affected. Since that's at stake, then that's offended some people. GRACE: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Karl Penhaul, the woman is in Aruba looking, walking along by foot, looking for her daughter, crying into a TV camera every night, putting up flyers for her daughter. And they want an apology because she is not happy with the way the investigation is going? Did I just hear that? PENHAUL: As I say, island sensibilities have been hurt somewhat by the continued attention on this case. And they feel that they're been getting a rough ride. GRACE: They're getting a rough...PENHAUL: They insist that Aruba is essentially a safe place. GRACE: You know what? OK, very quickly to Tim Miller. He is joining us. Tim Miller is the leader of EquuSearch, a team of specialists out of Texas. Tim Miller, I know you went there on your own dime, accepting only some donations to try to help find Natalee. Tell me about the search and your decision to stay on a little while longer and look for Natalee Holloway. TIM MILLER, EQUUSEARCH LEADER: Well, Nancy, I think if we leave this island, I believe the search is totally over with. We evaluated some things the night before last, felt as though maybe we've not covered everything as well as we wanted to. We found an area up close, a fisherman's hut, that we was interested in. We actually rented a backhoe. We went in there, cleared some debris out. There was a couple of mounds of dirt that we went ahead and cleared out. And where we found that area today that kind of looked like a grave, which looked exactly like a grave -- we know what that looks like -- I'm not thoroughly convinced yet that that didn't at one time or another have something to do with Natalee. We actually got a...GRACE: Well, Tim, what makes you think it doesn't? Why are you convinced it doesn't? MILLER: Well, see, we actually got a lead on that from a guy that we was searched in one area on the total other side of the island that told us that we needed to go over there and what to look for. And when we walked in there, he said, "Stay away from that hole, because there is probably evidence there." So it was like maybe somebody knew something and was sending us over there. So, you know, at this time, I really don't know. You would have had to see what we saw to really understand what I'm saying. And so, it's things like this that we're finding every day that ends up, at the end of the day, we may be disappointed, but you know what? If we stay and we continue, there is that small, small chance that we may end up and find her. So, I mean, if we can find just one of her hairs and know that she was there through DNA or something, I mean I think that'd do a tremendous amount to this case. GRACE: Right.MILLER: How can we leave a family alone during this period of time? I don't think we could do that. GRACE: Tim Miller, many of us believe that you, along with Natalee's family, are the only ones really looking at this point for Natalee Holloway. I'm going to quickly go back to Karl Penhaul. Karl, aside from the shallow digging that was found today that Tim Miller just described -- very scary for the family to hear that, but at this juncture, they probably want to hear anything. Tell me what's happening on the legal front, Karl Penhaul. PENHAUL: Well, as we know, yesterday, a series of appeals were filed at the court in Aruba. And now three appeals judges from neighboring Curacao are mulling over those arguments. GRACE: Oh, yes, where are they mulling it over, Karl? Are they all sitting at the country club or with Joran van der Sloot's daddy? PENHAUL: No, they've gone back... GRACE: The judge?PENHAUL: No, they've gone back to Curacao. That was one of the reasons the judges are being brought into Curacao, so that they're not judges from the circuit that either Judge Paul van der Sloot would have operated on or any of the other legal officials on the island. GRACE: Another thing I learned, just as we came to air tonight, Karl Penhaul, Natalee's mother has stated that she believes she knows information that suggests these three are, in fact, responsible for Natalee's disappearance. What is that information? PENHAUL: That I don't know. But of course, the family has all along said that they do believe that these three young men, the last three to be seen with Natalee, do know something and were involved in this disappearance. GRACE: Well, OK, I'm reading from an AP wire. And it says more than that, Karl. And this has just been released in the last two hours. "Ms. Twitty said Police told her van der Sloot admitted to them he engaged in sexual acts with Holloway the night of her disappearance." I'm reading it right here. "Twitty to goes on to say, 'I believe if that happened, it was against her will.' They've also filed a legal paperwork," Karl Penhaul, "to have access to the case file." What do you make of this? PENHAUL: Well, that information we have known for some time, because that information is contained in the statements that are contained in dossiers used as evidence. When we talked, for example, to one of the defense attorneys for the Kalpoe brothers, he did refer to us, and to refer to those kinds of statements, and said that there was indication that there had been some sexual activity in the car. And you'll remember early on in the case another of the defense attorneys for the two security guards that were first arrested, he diplomatically referred to fondling in the back of the car, but what in fact he was referring to were allegations of some kind of sexual activity in the car. GRACE: Well, Karl, we're going to break. Everybody, we are live in Aruba. But also, Karl, Natalee's mother says tonight, quote, "I definitely know those three individuals have involvement in her disappearance." And remember, Karl, Natalee's family has got their own set of private Investigators trying to solve this case. These are the three that Natalee's mother insists are responsible for her disappearance. Why are two walking free tonight and the other on the verge of walking free? Stay with us. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S FATHER: You've got three kids that's holding up everyone's lives, including the people here in Aruba. We ran across a lady that had asked me, "Are you searching for Natalee?" And I said, "Well, yes, are you searching for Natalee?" And she said yes. And I had a conversation with her, and she was from around here. And she indicated that a lot of her friends and family members were just like us, you know, wanting to find Natalee."(END VIDEO CLIP)(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MILLER: There's a time -- and I hate to say this and it kind of chokes me up even right now. There's a time when you bring in everything you can bring in, and sooner or later, you've got to go to the family and say, "You know what? We've exhausted every resource." And if these things don't work, I'm afraid that time is very, very close. I'm not as optimistic anymore as I was in the beginning. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace. Thank you for being with us. Straight back down to Aruba, as we wait on key rulings, rulings that could make or break the search for this American girl, Natalee Holloway. Back to Karl Penhaul. He's been on the case from the get-go. Karl Penhaul, explain to me again where the searchers were today. PENHAUL: The searchers were at an area called Boca Prim (ph). That's on the northern side of the island near the national park. It's an area of soft sand dunes. There's only one road to get down there. It's a very rough road. You can really only get there by four-wheel drive. It's where a dry riverbed meets the ocean. And it's at that area where this thing that looked like a grave, a hole, about four feet deep and about the length of a body with a mound of sand beside it, was found, Nancy. GRACE: Now, also, on the north end of the island, where they were today, is that where that lighthouse is? PENHAUL: Not really, no. The lighthouse is at the northern tip, at the northwest tip. And this area is really on the northeastern side of the island. GRACE: Gotcha. Is that closer than the lighthouse closer to the Holiday Inn and the -- they're searching on the other side? PENHAUL: Right, yes. The lighthouse is a couple of miles from the Holiday Inn. And this place is between Santa Cruz and San Nicolas, but on the northern side of the island.GRACE: Gotcha. To Joe Episcopo, a veteran trial lawyer -- Joe has just come out of a courtroom, as a matter of fact, trying a jury trial. Joe, thanks for being with us. Joe, we know that this judge is considering bringing the Kalpoe brothers back behind bars. I think they'll even be in court tomorrow when the judge issues his ruling. You know, the system there's so very foreign to us. They arrest people, won't tell them why they're charged, won't bring formal charges in, they let them go willy-nilly. And tonight, just two hours ago -- and Joe, you know the mother of Natalee Holloway has no goal except to find her girl, her girl's remains, and to put whoever's responsible behind bars, all right? I think we can agree on that. She says tonight she knows these are the guys that are involved. JOE EPISCOPO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think we all know that. The problem is, is that Joran took his father's advice and kept his mouth shut. And I believe they have some sort of speedy trial rule. In about 71 days, which will be day 116, something's going to happen. This case may be over. GRACE: Well, wait, how can it be over without there ever being a formal indictment? EPISCOPO: Well, because they weren't able to put together enough evidence to charge anyone. And there's a time limit, apparently, just like speedy trial here in Florida, which is 175 days, so...GRACE: Yes, but that's following indictment. There's no formal indictment here. EPISCOPO: Well, you go by arrest actually. Arrest date usually is what triggers these speedy trials. So you can't hold someone indefinitely in jail. GRACE: So they're going to trigger their speedy trial from the time of the arrest. OK. And so I guess the fact that the brothers were released would toll the time on their case, wouldn't you think? EPISCOPO: No, I don't think so, because once you're arrested and you're released, you still have that original arrest date. They can't keep it hanging over your head forever. So they've got about 71 days. GRACE: Well, 116 days is hardly forever. You know, here in the States on a murder case, there is no statute of limitations. EPISCOPO: I'm not talking about statute of limitations. I'm talking about speedy trial. GRACE: Speedy, right, gotcha.EPISCOPO: You know, they're probably going to get Bo Deedle (ph) down there. Maybe he can help them out. GRACE: I think they need the dog, the bounty hunter, too. Anne Bremner, to you, Seattle trial lawyer, tried a lot of cases. Anne, the mother and father hearing news today of the shallow digging, it must have sent fear through their body. Not only that, they've got to be afraid of the Aruba justice system. ANNE BREMNER, TRIAL ATTORNEY: Absolutely. And, Nancy, I think it's a real reality that they will be disappointed in the system. The prosecutors themselves have said, "Without a body, we need strong forensic evidence, we need reliable statements, and we need possibly a confession to prove our case." And no body. They've looked everywhere. People are getting ready to give up searching. And without this other evidence, and there's no indication there's strong evidence as they need, they may be so sorely disappointed at the end of the day. But that is their system. And I think one good thing from this case, Nancy, is it shows us, in America, how much better and how much of a great system the United States has. GRACE: Oh, you know what, Anne? I appreciate, you know, the sermon on our system, but right now I'm worried about Natalee Holloway...BREMNER: I know, but, Nancy...GRACE: ... and what the hey is going on down in Aruba.BREMNER: I know, Nancy. But I'm just saying to you that what's happening in Aruba would not happen in the United States of America. GRACE: That's true. That is definitely the truth, Anne. BREMNER: And at least the only comfort they may get -- that may be the only comfort they get in this, because at the end of the day, they may be very disappointed. GRACE: God, I hope not.BREMNER: I agree. But it's not looking good right now. GRACE: Hey, Karl Penhaul, do you expect the judge to actually come out with a ruling tomorrow, or will there be yet another delay? PENHAUL: That's what we expect. Because, as we know, he received the evidence and the arguments from defense attorneys and from the prosecution yesterday. And what he said is that he and his two colleagues from Curacao are going to issue a ruling between midday and 2 o'clock tomorrow. I understand that timeline could be pushed back, but we don't at this stage expect the day to be pushed back. GRACE: And, Karl, we've heard so much about this judge, van der Sloot, allegedly telling his son, "No body, no case." In the States, even though you don't have a body, you can still try a case if you've got evidence. PENHAUL: You can in Aruba, too. Because of Dutch law -- and Dutch law is in operation in Aruba because Aruba is part of the kingdom of the Netherlands -- then in Holland, before now, there have been cases that have been prosecuted successfully when there has been no body but where there has been strong forensic evidence. That hasn't happened in Aruba before, but you've got to remember that there are scarcely any murders anyway in Aruba. GRACE: Well, you know what? That may be true, but I think it's going to be hard to convince Natalee Holloway's family of that. That's van der Sloot's dad, the judge wannabe running away from the cameras. Actually, we're more acquainted with his backside, as Karl Penhaul is chasing him down an alley trying to get some answers. According to Natalee's mom, that's pretty much the way he treated her when she was asking him tough questions about where is Natalee Holloway.
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HOLLOWAY: The first day, he told his son and the other boys to keep quiet and don't say anything. He indicated no case, no body, or no body, no case. And then, you know, his actions of running away. And then he spent about four hours with the Dutch reporters to give a one-minute statement that really said nothing. So you know, those things lead me to believe that he knows more than what he's telling us. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. Just when it looked as if the cameras, the search team, the dogs, the divers were packing up and leaving Aruba, tomorrow, a ruling by a judge could reverse that trend, could be a break in the case for Natalee Holloway. Very quickly, straight back down to Tim Miller with EquuSearch. Where do you plan to search tomorrow, sir? MILLER: We've got some other areas, Nancy, we're going to do. We're actually bringing in a ground penetration unit tomorrow that's going to really help us. It shows the density of ground, if any ground's been disturbed. We brought in all kinds of equipment here. I think now our numbers going to go up to 76, 77 different people we brought in. And we're just still focused on Natalee. You know, we just love that family. GRACE: Right.MILLER: I think we're going to be announcing tomorrow a fairly large reward for locating or leading us to the location of Natalee's remains. I think we're giving up about any hope of $150,000 on finding her alive, so we're going to take this another direction, see if we can get some more phone calls and help lead us in other places. GRACE: Tim Miller, Tim Miller, our thoughts and prayers with you to continue the struggle. Karl Penhaul, you're going to bring us the latest tomorrow regarding the judge's ruling, correct? PENHAUL: Absolutely. We'll be keeping our eyes on that, Nancy.GRACE: On all three rulings, right? Kalpoe brothers back in jail, maybe. van der Sloot could walk. And the third one is whether an attorney can be there during questioning, correct? PENHAUL: That's right, yes. GRACE: OK. Karl Penhaul joining us. He's been on the case from the beginning. Mr. Miller, thank you, sir.



7-14-05
On 7-14 FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN responded to an emailer and wrote in her “Gretawire” blog:

E-mail No. 2Is there any truth to the article in The National Enquirer about Natalee calling a friend on her cell phone that last night?Virginia Van DelistANSWER: Here is what I know about a phone call: Apparently a friend of Natalee's received a call to his voice mail/answering machine. There was background noise and then someone said something like, "Are you calling home?" As far as I know the phones were then disconnected and nothing else was recorded. I do not know if that call was from Natalee or from her cell phone or one she may have used.Incidentally, not all USA cell phone service works in Aruba. My AT&T cell phone works there, but my Verizon cell phone does not. And yes — I know — what kind of person has two cell phones? It is a bit nutty but I have two cell phones with different service. Why? For the very reason that some times I am in areas where service is limited. One other thing about the phone call — it is not clear when it was received by the person receiving the message



On 7-14 the 3 appeals judges agreed that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT should remain in custody until his next hearing on 9-2. (Sometime before 7-12 the charges against Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT were changed to “serious suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence” of NATALEE, and Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE should remain free. After the 3 judges appeals rulings of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT on 7-14, WERNET read a prepared statement and stated in part, “…there is ‘serious suspicion’ to keep Joran van der S. in custody”
…and…
"He was in her company and gave varying statements about what happened then and afterwards" The ruling also said that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had recently change his account of the night of HOLLOWAY's disappearance and authorities need time to investigate the new version.
On 7-14 AL.com” reported:

Van der Sloot loses appeal to get out of jailThe remaining detainee in the case of a missing Mountain Brook teen should stay in jail, a panel of Aruban judges ruled this afternoon. The appeals court denied Joran van der Sloot’s appeal of a previous judge’s decision to hold him for 60 days. Van der Sloot, 17, is considered the key suspect in the May 30 disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The panel also denied prosecutors’ request to re-arrest two Surinamese brothers who were released last week. Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, were arrested along with van der Sloot in June, but the brothers were freed last week when a judge ruled there was not enough evidence to continue holding them. The judges also refused to re-impose restrictions on van der Sloot’s detention, according to the prosecutor’s office. Authorities previously had prevented his lawyer from being present during police interrogation and denied him visits from his father, a judge in training, who also was briefly held in the case. Under Dutch law, which Aruba follows, van der Sloot is in a 60-day period of court-ordered detention. Prosecutors can request that he be held longer after that time is up.Hannah Wolfson

**NOTE** WOLFSON is a reporter in BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA for the “Birmingham News”


TITO LACLE reported to FOX News on July 19, 2005 that on July 14, 2005 the prosecutors requested saliva from Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE but all they refused to provide their sample.
On 7-14 the ARUBA prosecutor's office official, DILMA ARENDS, reported that evidence in the form of cellular phone tracking records of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT pinpoint that he did make a 4:00 AM cellular phone call. ARENDS also alluded that the forensics may have pinpointed precisely from where Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT placed the cellular phone call. ARENDS also said that at 4:00 AM Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE was home, but after receiving the cellular phone call he left his home and then went to the “Marriott Hotel“ location.
On 7-14 BETH was notified by an Aruba tipster that there was a large barrel in the water just off the shore of the “Marriott Hotel” beach that NATALEE was, supposedly, last known to be at with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. On 7-15 the barrel is removed by “Texas EquuSearch” (taking almost 3 hours) while the Aruban Police commissioner STRATEN showed up dressed only in civilian cloths and then, he chose to only watch. The barrel was filled with cement. (probably a homemade ship-mooring anchor years ago) The Police commissioner said that he is going to go ahead and load it up and take it to the Police station. BADEN stated , “Aruban Police are not really on top of this case” also sighting the apparent lack of speedy interest in the bone and the fact that the Police should have been removing the cement barrel from the “Marriott Hotel“ water, not “Texas EquuSearch.”
On 7-14 SOUSA told FOX News that the Aruban authorities and the HOLLOWAY’s and TWITTY’s are being careful about pertinent case information being leaked so as to not give the trial judges reason to declare a mistrial.
On 7-14 DAVE HOLLOWAY stated that the Aruba authorities “throw us a ‘bone’ every now and then” about case information.
On 7-14 Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE's lawyer said that there was “new evidence” presented 7-12 by the prosecutor, but that “new evidence” was not relevant to Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE , and the “new evidence” was “probably not” relevant to Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT.
On 7-14 DAVE HOLLOWAY also confirmed that the family has filed a legal enjoinder, meaning the family can appeal any and all future Aruba judicial rulings.
On 7-14 JUG TWITTY stated, “All we want it Natalee, alive or dead, and we will return to the United States.”
On 7-14 ARUBA government spokesman TRAPPENBERG claimed to FOX News that the Aruban Police is still searching, but has been reduced to “a small Police unit.” He also claims the Aruban authorities are still communicating with the family and claimed, “They are saying there is progress in the case.” Of the non-arrest and release of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE , and Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE from 5-31 to 6-9 (=10+ days), ARUBA government spokesman TRAPENBERG claimed on 7-14 that the Police “Let the boys go free for a few days.”
On 7-14 ELLIS-SCHIPPER (member of the "Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force") claimed to FOX News that apparently the judges agree that the actions by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT are “evidently deceitful” and because Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was retained under arrest that the judges think there “has to be a crime has occurred against Natalee.”
Because Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT is now allowed to have visitors that NATALEE’s Father, DAVE HOLLOWAY, on 7-14 or early on 7-15, made an appointment for 7-16 to meet with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT at his prison. By the end of the day 7-15, ARUBAN authorities informed HOLLOWAY that his scheduled meeting with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT “had been canceled.” BETH stated, “Why would he (( Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT )) be afraid to speak to NATALEE’s Father if he has nothing to hide?”
On 7-14 ELLIS-SCHIPPER, member of the ARUBA “STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS TASK FORCE,” to FOX News that apparently the judges agree that the actions by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT are “evidently deceitful” and because Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was retained under arrest that the judges think there “has to be a crime has occurred against NATALEE.”
On 7-14 BETH was notified by an ARUBA tipster that there was a large barrel in the water just off the shore of the “Marriott Hotel” beach that NATALEE was, supposedly, last known to be at with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT.
On 7-14 FOX News RIVERA reported that “the fishermen witnesses near the “Marriott Hotel” say the kids were no where near the beach” in the morning hours of 5-30.
On 7-14 FOX News GERALDO RIVERA mentioned that STRATEN will be retiring in August 2005, and that the HOLLOWAY’s and TWITTY’s are hoping that the new ARUBAN Deputy Police Superintendent (“commissioner”) will demonstrate Good Faith by “going back to the beginning” and reviewing/restarting/initiating new investigative efforts.
On 7-14 JUG TWITTY stated that on 5-31 during the 5:00 AM meeting between them, the 2 Police officers and the Murder Suspects SLOOT’s, that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT initially tried to act like he did not even know NATALEE when he was simultaneously shown a picture of her. At that point JUG TWITTY stated he told Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , “Don’t even try and act like you don’t know her, because I have witnesses who saw you with her.” After Jug said that, Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT then admitted that he had been with NATALEE on 5-30.
On 10-14 JUG TWITTY stated to FOX News that in regards to the 2 ARUBAN Police officers who witnessed the early morning 5-31 encounter between the TWITTY’s and Murder Suspects SLOOT’s that the 2 ARUBAN Police officers/witnesses did not document in their witness reports that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT admitted having sex because their ARUBAN Police supervisor told JUG TWITTY that the 2 ARUBAN Police officers/witnesses claim they cannot recall what was said that night.
On 7-14 AMERICAN homicide detective FUHRMAN made a suggestion to FOX News that the Investigators and searchers should now concentrate their efforts to find NATALEE in places where all of the suspects are known to feel most comfortable within. FUHRMAN suggested that NATALEE would not be found in any of the places where the suspects have claimed they were at in their many mutating alibi-lies.
FOX News reported 7-14 that BETH and others have viewed the “McDonald’s” security camera videos and that no suspect in the case was recorded as being at “McDonald’s on 5-30.”
On 7-14 “Texas EquuSearch” member JOE HUSTON said the team was planning on leaving on 7-17 and that date is the 4th scheduled leave date they have had.
On 7-14 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that his investigations, which has included his and colleagues’ speaking with his classmates, of Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s character reveals that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT is a “different person” by day than he is at night. TITO LACLE claims that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has “different attitudes, depending on who he is with,” that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT is “short-tempered,” and that on 5-30 Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had a noticeably blackened eye when Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT went to school--with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT claiming that he received the blackened eye in a fight with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s friends while Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was at "Carlos 'N Charlie's" after midnight on 5-29.
On 7-14 Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE's lawyer also stated that Current Murder Suspect SATISH KALPOE would be repeating his senior year at his school.
On 7-14 the “New York Post” reported:

ARUBA SUSPECT NO POKER FACE
JORAN van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance in Aruba of vacationing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, is already guilty — of being a lousy poker player.
Van der Sloot, the 17-year-old son of an Aruban justice official, is being held in connection with the vanishing of 18-year-old Holloway. He was a bad bluffer and lost big during a Texas Hold 'Em tournament on the Caribbean island back in April.Miami club impresario Tommy Pooch, who played next to van der Sloot for more than two hours, tells us the Dutch-born youth "was as nice as can be, but he was a terrible poker player."He kept buying back in, and finally he got knocked out when they stopped buy-ins," Pooch said. "He was a terrible bluffer . . . He was a young, excitable kid. He wore the sunglasses and the baseball cap like they do on TV, but even that didn't help."Van der Sloot must have had a habit of losing money in the poker room of the Holiday Inn-Aruba. "It seemed like everyone knew him there," Pooch said. "It was his hangout. He knew all the dealers by name. He was a local yokel."Last week, an Aruba judge released two brothers held as suspects in the disappearance of Holloway, but ordered that van der Sloot be kept in custody for another 60 days. Holloway was last seen around 1 a.m. on May 30 leaving a local nightclub with van der Sloot and his buddies Satish Kalpoe, 18, and his brother Deepak, 21.It was the last day of Holloway's high school graduation trip with her classmates.



On 7-14 BILL O’REILLY, FOX News Journalist, stated in a “The O‘Reilly Factor,” “Top of the Page” national TV editorial entitled, “It Just Can’t Get Any Hotter In Aruba”

Four judges have now ruled Joran van der Sloot is somehow involved in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance, the 18-year-old from Alabama who vanished in Aruba on May 30th. On July 14th, three judges ruled van der Sloot must be kept in prison until mid-September, but two others--the Kalpoe brothers--remain free.
Ms. Holloway’s case has captured the attention of the world because it is a very simple situation.
She leaves a bar with van der Sloot. She disappears. Her family demands answers, but no answers are forthcoming.
It doesn’t get much simpler than that.
At this point, Aruba owes an explanation to the Holloway family, whether privately or publicly. Government there must tell the family what it knows. Now, the Aruban’s can do this informally by using a private attorney or even by an off the record conversation, but it must be done.
Just imagine yourself losing a child and not knowing what is going on for months. That is cruel and unusual punishment. I don’t care what Dutch laws say, there are many ways around that, and ways to get things done.
It’s on the Aruban’s to level with the Holloway family.
If the Aruban government does not do that, then all American should take it personally.
That means not thinking twice but many times about traveling to Aruba.
No Family should be treated this way.
The Holloway’s have a right to know where the investigation stands.
Talking Points understands legal eagles will pick apart this memo. Blah, blah, blah.
The Aruban’s need to figure this out, and quick.



On 7-14 CNNHN reported:

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, breaking news from Aruba. A judge splits the baby, ruling first that another judge's 17-year-old son, Joran van der Sloot, will stay behind bars in connection with the disappearance of 18- year-old American beauty Natalee Holloway, and second, that the two Kalpoe brothers will still walk free tonight, as Natalee's family desperately searches for answers. Day 46 in Natalee's disappearance.
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But first, live to Aruba for breaking news tonight in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway. Today, a judge orders a fellow judge's son, 17-year-old suspect Joran van der Sloot, to stay behind bars while the Kalpoe brothers walk free. Tonight, in Aruba, Natalee's father, Dave Holloway, is with us; and Aruban defense attorney Arlene Ellis-Schipper; in Birmingham, Alabama, Natalee's stepfather, Jug Twitty is with us; in Atlanta, defense attorney Ray Judache (ph); in New York, defense attorney Michael Mazzarella (ph); in L.A., psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall. But first, let's go live to CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul. Karl, surprised at the judge's ruling? KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Not really. It seemed to be on the cards. There's been a lot of pressure here.Essentially what the judge did, in association with his two colleagues, part of this three-panel appeal, was leave everything as it was. So Joran van der Sloot will stay behind bars. The two Kalpoe brothers, they're still suspects, but they'll still be allowed to go free. They were freed, you'll remember, a couple of weeks ago now. And then there are another couple of bits and pieces there, essentially that Antonio Carlo, Joran van der Sloot's attorney, can still be present during the interrogations. And also, some of the restrictions that were lifted on Joran van der Sloot can still remain lifted, i.e., he'll be able to read the newspaper, and he'll have some access to TV while he's behind bars, Nancy. GRACE: Interesting, Karl Penhaul. Nobody likes to rock the boat there in Aruba. Let me go to Natalee's stepfather, Jug Twitty. Do you notice that not a thing changed, this judge didn't want to tip the apple cart at all? You've got van der Sloot, the son, behind bars. The Kalpoe brothers walk free. van der Sloot can still have access to TV, radio, newspapers, and his lawyer can be there during questioning. GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, Nancy, that's the first I've heard of that. I didn't know all that. And that's disappointing to me. But today, there actually wasn't one judge. I think there was a three-judge panel that came in and made the decision. And you know, at least they did keep Joran in there. I think, if they would have let him out, it would have been devastating to Beth and I, actually probably to the whole world. GRACE: You know what? You're right, Jug. You're right. At least they kept Joran van der Sloot behind bars. Back to Karl Penhaul. He's been on the case from the get-go. Karl, it seems to me that, if you take a look at the evidence we know of tonight, what do we actually know? We know that Joran van der Sloot was making phone calls, cell phone calls, to the Kalpoe brothers a couple of hours after Natalee went missing. Now, if any of the three are involved, that would suggest it me that Joran van der Sloot was involved and using the Kalpoe brothers to cover. PENHAUL: Not necessarily, Nancy. What we do know, and these from statements that were in the dossier that one of the defense attorneys from the Kalpoe brothers had and shared some of that with us, was that Joran van der Sloot was dropped off at the beach near the Marriott, according to statements, around 1:50 in the morning. He then made a phone call to Deepak Kalpoe at about 2:30 or 2:40, so less than an hour later, saying, "I'm leaving Natalee at the beach, and I'm walking home." And then, about 40 minutes later, we know that he sent an SMS message, a text message, saying, "OK, Deepak, I'm home." And we also know at that time from interceptions that Deepak Kalpoe was in at an Internet chat site at the time. We don't know what kind of Internet chat site. GRACE: Well, Karl, my point is, when van der Sloot was dropped off, wasn't he dropped off with Natalee? PENHAUL: That's correct. He was dropped off with Natalee. But he said in the phone call to Deepak, "Hey, Natalee's staying here, and I'm leaving the beach. And I haven't got any transport, so I'm walking home."GRACE: Well, wouldn't that suggest to you that the Kalpoe brothers had already left him alone with Natalee? PENHAUL: That they do say in their witness statement, that they dropped him off at 1:50. Both Satish and Deepak left Joran and Natalee alone together at the beach so they could go for a walk along the beach. GRACE: Jug, how do you see it? TWITTY: Well, Nancy, Karl has been there almost as long as I was down there. And he knows better than that. I mean, you know Joran is -- when he says not necessarily, you know, he's involved, goodness gracious, Nancy. It's unbelievable that he would say that. GRACE: I think what he was saying -- I was asking about the Kalpoe brothers, about whether Joran was involved in using them as cover. I'm getting the feeling that a lot of people think they were all three involved, not just Joran. TWITTY: Well, I think the world knows that all of them know more than they're saying. And that's why this case is where it is today. Everybody is concerned that, you know, why are they not getting the answers? Those boys have the answers. You know, they know what they did with Natalee. GRACE: Jug, why are you so convinced? TWITTY: Well, I mean, Nancy, just -- if the story still stood that the night that I confronted the judge, so-called judge, and the son, and Deepak, and they sit there and told me that, "Yes, here is what we did. We took her to the Holiday Inn. Come with me; we'll show you. We'll talk to the guards." Of course, the guards never saw them. It's not on the video. They say that, for nine days before they arrested them, that was the story. And then, all of a sudden, they change the story. So why did they do that? The whole world knows that. GRACE: Hey, Jug...TWITTY: I mean, why didn't they tell me to start with that that's what they did? They took her to the beach. They dropped her off with Joran, and then, you know, that would be different. GRACE: Jug, you're preaching to the choir. Listen...TWITTY: I know I am, Nancy. GRACE: When a suspect starts changing their story up to eight versions, something is wrong. TWITTY: I know you're on my side. I mean, know you are. You've helped Beth, and I, and my family so much. And I appreciate it. And that's what's so frustrating to my family, to myself, I mean, to everybody in the whole world. GRACE: I agree with you 300 percent. And, Karl Penhaul, speaking of changing stories, the latest A.P. wire tonight says one of the reasons the judges kept van der Sloot behind bars is because he's changed his story again. This is the ninth story. PENHAUL: And probably at least the ninth story, because that's the other part. I mean, certainly what George says is correct. Some of these three, if not all three, do know exactly what happened that night. And we know through the multiple statements that at least Joran hasn't been telling the full truth and far from it all that time. We know that there were at least eight or nine different statements made by him, some of them very significant story changes. GRACE: Let`s go to Dave Holloway, Natalee's biological father. Mr. Holloway, thank you for being with us. What is your response to the judge's ruling today? DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Well, I was quite relieved of the decision, believe it or not. I was hoping for the best and preparing for the worst. And it came in the middle. And I was relieved that the main suspect remained behind bars. And hopefully, as time goes on, we'll develop more in the investigation. GRACE: Mr. Holloway, everybody is speculating based on the tidbits of evidence that we do know exist what happened that night. What do you make of the fact that Joran van der Sloot, the judge's son, was making these phone calls, cell phone calls, text messaging, to the Kalpoe brothers after they had left him alone with Natalee?HOLLOWAY: Well, I don't know what to make of it, because really we don't know the whole story. All we really know for a fact is they left Carlos and Charlies. After that, it's a lot of speculation and a lot of fill in the blanks. But you know, it sounds like to me that the prime suspect's behind bars. And as a judge said earlier, you know, common sense is this, Nancy. If you and I were involved in something, and then I come to you and ask you to make up a story about, "We dropped her off at the Holiday Inn," wouldn't you ask questions of why, if you were not involved in something? Why would you make up the story?GRACE: Absolutely, Mr. Holloway. Exactly. And my reasoning, thinking that, just on what we know tonight, when you look at all three of them, why would the Kalpoe brothers go along with making up this story? And we already know from the deejay, Steve Croes, who was released, he heard one of the Kalpoe brothers on the phone at Internet cafe cooking up a story. This guy got arrested when he went to Police with what he knew. He has since been released. But as a matter of fact, all of those phone calls, all of those text messages, Karl Penhaul, I hope, I pray, the Aruban Police have gotten a hold of the records, right, Karl? PENHAUL: Absolutely. That's where these records have come from, from Aruban Police. And from what some of the defense attorneys say, that is an indication that maybe that part wasn't a cover-up because they didn't have time to cover it up. Maybe it is part of an elaborate plan. That's something, obviously, that Investigators will be looking at.But don't forget also that there are two fisherman that come forward from that night, they've come forward to say the way Joran van der Sloot says that he walked with Natalee and left Natalee, they say they were out there fishing all night and never saw any of that going on. So even that bit seems, or could have been a lie, if those two witnesses are telling the truth. GRACE: Well, at this juncture, Dave Holloway, do you believe a single word Joran van der Sloot says, anything? HOLLOWAY: That's what I said earlier. All we know is, when they left the bar that night. Again, as I understand, this is the 15th story he's told and the Marriott story may not even be true at all.GRACE: Fifteen? Holy moly. I knew of nine. I didn't know it had changed 15 times. We're headed to break. But very quickly, Rosie, Renee, could you show me that one quick piece of video where Joran van der Sloot is handcuffed to one of the Kalpoe brothers?Ray Judache (ph), defense attorney, look at this. Is this not a defense attorney's dream come true? You get the co-defendants, the co- suspects, handcuffed together for a nice long drive through the country to just firm up their story. This is courtesy of the Aruban Police, Ray. RAY JUDACHE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY (ph): Well, Nancy, it's certainly not what would be acceptable Police practice here in the United States in any jurisdiction, to allow these guys to get together and spend time together, to have access to his father, to be able to make these phone calls, you know, hot on the trail of a missing persons investigation, especially with young men who are susceptible to making stories up.They knew the pressure was on. Even if it was just a missing persons case -- and I don't believe it is -- I believe it's a homicide. GRACE: Hey, check it out, Ray. I hope they turn on the air conditioning for them. I don't want van der Sloot and Kalpoe to get warm on that ride together. Hey, Michael Mazzarella (ph), defense attorney's dream to see your client full access to co-defendant, co-suspect cooking up a story. MICHAEL MAZZARELLA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY (ph): Absolutely. And, Nancy, the question I have is, how many times prior to this occasion did these young men text message each other and speak to each other 1, 2, 3, 4 o'clock in the morning? I think the Police should subpoena those records and see how consistent these stories are. I think it would be telling. GRACE: Well, you know, the Aruban Police are probably just getting around to that tonight if they're watching you, Michael. Everybody, we'll be right back. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)IGELLA WERNET, ARUBAN COURT CLERK: The circumstances under which Natalee Holloway disappeared do justify at this moment the presumption that we can speak of a serious crime. For the suspect, it is incriminating that he was in her company until shortly before her disappearance and that originally he did not tell the truth about what happened.(END VIDEO CLIP)(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: From what I understand, they have not been ruled out as a suspect. The prosecution still has a case against them. The only thing that, at this point, they are not -- there is not enough to hold them in a pretrial detention. So basically, it's an open-end for them at this moment. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Open end, up until about 116 days. Then the state must either fish or cut bait, I will put it euphemistically. Welcome back, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace. Let's go straight back down to Aruba. I want to speak with Aruban attorney Arlene Ellis-Schipper. Thank you for being with us tonight, Arlene. Got a couple of questions for you. Regarding these two Kalpoe brothers, as well as Joran van der Sloot, in Aruba, is there a grand jury? How is someone formally indicted? ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBA “STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS TASK FORCE” MEMBER: Well, there is no grand jury in Aruba. It's a different system. You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion, and then, as you know, Nancy, there are several assessments made by a judge of instruction. After, if the person is still in pretrial detention on certain -- based on certain grounds, like, for instance, Joran van der Sloot, after a maximum of 146 days, the prosecution must determine the criminal offense that has been committed and make an official summation for court. So she has to decide whether she will bring that case to court. That does not mean that the trial is already starting, but she has to issue that summation. GRACE: Now, at that time, Arlene, can the person -- if you don't have your case together in 116 days, you have to let them out of jail. If you then later get evidence on them, can you bring them back, or is it all over at the end of 116 days? ELLIS-SCHIPPER: No. It's at the end of 146 days, that's first full. And yes, you can bring them back if the case is not complete and, for instance, in this case, God forbid, that they cannot determine what criminal offense has been committed, the case remains open. And it can remain open for a whole number of years, actually, until the due process, the international rules about due process, up to two years. GRACE: I want to go back...ELLIS-SCHIPPER: And during that time -- I'm sorry.GRACE: Go ahead. ELLIS-SCHIPPER: No, I said, during that time, the prosecutor can always decide when she gets more evidence to bring that case to trial. GRACE: Take a listen to this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) QUESTION: Does the prosecutor have new evidence? Was there more presented against your client? ANTONIO CARLOS, ATTORNEY FOR JORAN VAN DER SLOOT : Not really. Today, there was no really new evidence. QUESTION: How's Joran? How is his demeanor? CARLOS: He's doing well. He is holding up. He is very hopeful. And, again, today he is continuing to maintain his innocence. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Let's go down to CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul. Karl, I just heard Natalee's father, Mr. Holloway, state that there have now been 15 -- not nine, as you and I were speculating -- but 15 different stories spit out by the judge's son, Joran van der Sloot, 15. Do you know what the most recent version it? PENHAUL: Not precisely. It could be that the family's got a little better access to that information than even the defense attorneys, because they're getting a daily briefing by Aruban authorities and the FBI. But certainly, there may be 15 different statements. Not necessarily all of them represent significant changes. It could be a detail here, a detail there. But obviously, what it does amount to, as Dave and Jug are saying, is that, why would they believe one story over another? As Joran van der Sloot is presented with different pieces of evidence, such as the text messages, such as the phone call records, he then goes and changes his story either to give a little bit more of the truth or to change the story for another lie, depending which way you look at it. GRACE: Karl Penhaul, what is the significance of keeping Joran van der Sloot away from TV, radio, newspapers, as the prosecution wanted? PENHAUL: I guess possibly to put a little bit more pressure on him so that he doesn't know how this case is going, in terms of public opinion. Possibly also to add to the sense of isolation that he feels himself in. At the end of the day, he's a 17-year-old boy. And the longer he's away from those kind of things, possibly the more desperate he's getting to feel. But with this appeal, he can still have access to those things, newspapers and TV. GRACE: To Natalee's father, Dave Holloway, joining us from Aruba. Are you still going to or having daily briefings with the prosecution? HOLLOWAY: Well, we have a lot of our briefings through our personal attorney, Vinda de Sousa. And we also have -- every other day, we have a meeting with the FBI correspondent that's with us. GRACE: Dave, you mentioned that there have been 15 different versions of the truth by Joran van der Sloot. What's the latest version? HOLLOWAY: Well, the latest version was that of the witnesses who rebuked his claim that he was north of the Marriott with Natalee. Those two fishermen, or three fishermen is what I thought it was, had indicated that no one had stopped in at the fishermen's hut that night. GRACE: So that was just a crock of lies? HOLLOWAY: Well, apparently so. GRACE: OK. Well, we know this: Both stories can't be true. Somebody's lying. And as I always used to tell jurors, take a look at who has the most to lose. Those three fishermen? Did they have a dog in the fight? I don't think so. No skin in the game. The only one that had something to lose is Joran van der Sloot. Quick break, everybody. And we have invited the van der Sloot family and attorneys on, as well as the district attorney, the prosecutor there. They did not want to speak. Very quickly to "Trial Tracking." Funeral services today for 5-year- old Evelyn Miller. Evelyn's body found last week in Iowa's Cedar River, a few days after she disappeared from her mom's apartment. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Despite their heavy hearts, one by one, family members talked about their little angel. Fighting back tears, Noel Miller struggled to find the words to talk about her unbearable loss. NOEL MILLER, MOTHER OF EVELYN MILLER: She hadn't even experienced life yet at age 5. We were looking forward to her going to middle school, and prom, and all of the things kids love to do and looked forward to doing. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And Andy Christie told Evelyn how much he loved her in a letter to his daughter. ANDY CHRISTIE, FATHER OF EVELYN MILLER: Now that we have to move on without you, know that we will never forget you and will always hold you close to our hearts. You're still Papa's little girl, and I can never stop loving you, Evie. You mean the world to me. (END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: Police are treating Evelyn's death as a homicide, but will not reveal how Evelyn died. If you have any information on this girl, Evelyn Miller, call the Floyd County state attorney, 641-228-7571. Tonight, a $5,000 reward. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)GRACE: Eighteen-year-old American honor student Natalee Holloway had a full scholarship waiting for her when she came home from her senior trip from Aruba. As of now, she's been missing 46 days. We are live in Aruba tonight. Very quickly to CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul. Since the Kalpoe brothers are out, Karl, are they still considered suspects? PENHAUL: They are, indeed. Anybody that's been arrested in this case and then released is still regarded as a suspect. I guess that also applies to Judge Paul van der Sloot, as well. GRACE: Are Aruban authorities still actively searching for Natalee? Are they leaving it up to Natalee's family to do all the heavy lifting? PENHAUL: Well, we've seen Texas EquuSearch leading parts of the search, but we've also seen backing there by Police on occasion from the Dutch marines. We've seen those Dutch Air Force F-16 fighters...GRACE: But really, Karl Penhaul, when you say an F-16 fighter, how are they going to find Natalee Holloway? That's a plane flying overhead, for Pete's sake. PENHAUL: Right, but there were three planes. And they were flying in a strict grid pattern there for the space of almost a week. They've got some pretty sophisticated camera devices on. They're not only heat-seeking and forward-looking infrared, but other kinds of devices on there that have tracked the island in a grid pattern. And they say they're 99 percent sure Natalee's remains aren't on the island.GRACE: Everybody, when we get back, we're going back to Natalee's stepfather, as well as her biological father. They are both with us tonight for the latest on a judge's ruling today on the Natalee Holloway search.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)ISELLA WERNET, ARUBAN COURT CLERK: The investigation requires that the preventive custody is continued because the suspect recently retracted earlier statements again, and that further investigation is required to verify the exactitude of that most recent statement in connections with all the other statements of the suspect ,without the suspect having the opportunity to influence the investigation.(END VIDEO CLIP)GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace. Day 46, and today a break in the case of Natalee Holloway, in that a judge demands that Joran van der Sloot stay behind bars while the Kalpoe brothers, also suspects in the case, walk free.I want to go to Dave Holloway. This is Natalee's father. He's with us tonight from Aruba. My thought is back to Carlos and Charlies, the night that Natalee went. Weren't her friends concerned about leaving her there alone with two -- with local guys?DAVE HOLLOWAY, MISSING GIRL'S FATHER: Nancy, I did not have the opportunity to speak with her friends. But later on, I did find out that Joran had indicated to the group that he was a student visiting here from Holland, and the group thought he was a guest at the Holiday Inn. And when they left Carlos and Charlies, he left with Natalee and Natalee alone, and they were not holding hands or anything like that.So what happened next, I can only fill in the blanks, but I suppose that Deepak was waiting in the car, and she may have thought it was a taxi because all the taxis around here, all they have in them is a small yellow tag up on the dash that says "Taxi." And then furthermore, I understand that the Satish boy may have entered the car after Natalee and the other guys were already in the vehicle.GRACE: Jug Twitty, agree or disagree about the way Natalee left Carlos and Charlies that night?GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, MISSING GIRL'S STEPFATHER: Oh, Nancy, I don't know. I mean, I know that she got in the car, and I agree with Dave that - - you know, that all the cars look alike down there, and you can't tell. You know, we've been down there 38 days, I've been in all different type taxis, so, you know, who knows what happened.GRACE: Do the taxis there look like a regular car?TWITTY: Sure. I mean, they got all kinds. They got everything from Mercedes to -- you know, to Chevettes or whatever. I mean, they've got everything there. You cannot tell -- most of them do have a taxi sticker in the window or whatever.GRACE: To Bethany Marshall, psychotherapist joining us tonight. It seems as if everything Joran van der Sloot has said from the get-go...BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Right.GRACE: ... even telling Natalee he was a student from Holland, for Pete's sake -- everything has been a lie!MARSHALL: It has. And the only thread that ties all these stories together is a CYA. He's covering his own behind, getting what he wants, reaching out, exploiting people. The one thing that doesn't exist in any of these stories is the truth.GRACE: I'm just wondering -- back to Dave Holloway -- will the so- called judge, van der Sloot, be able to continue to visit his son behind bars?HOLLOWAY: You know, I'm not sure about that. All I got today was the information that it's status quo. So if he was visiting his son prior to the decision, then he can continue visiting his son now.GRACE: Well, also, Dave, it seems to me, for the prosecutor -- there he goes! Of course, once again, I'm more familiar with his backside than I am his face because whenever Karl Penhaul asks him a question, he runs. There he is. That's the judge, Judge van der Sloot.Dave Holloway, it seems to me that for prosecutors to ask for the Kalpoe brothers to be put back in jail, they had to have some more evidence to ask for a change in the status quo. What did they have?HOLLOWAY: Well, I'm not sure about that. But if you'll remember, we had the fishermen, who indicated that the guys were not at the Marriott beach. And as I understand, that's where the Kalpoe brothers said they brought Joran and Natalee of at the beach. So there you go. I believe that puts them back in it.GRACE: And I want to go back to Karl Penhaul regarding these fishermen. What exactly was it that they told the authorities?KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They told the authorities, according to the statement that was seen by the defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, that they'd been on the beach between about 12:00 midnight and 5:00 AM, at an area known as the "fishermen's huts." That's the area where the Kalpoe brothers say that they dropped off Joran and Natalee together.Bear in mind, though, they were on the beach. Then there's a mangrove area, and then there's the road where the Kalpoes would have dropped Joran. And so they would have had to have made their way through the mangroves to get to the beach, so it could be that the Kalpoe brothers did drop them off on that road but that they stayed in the mangroves.What the fishermen do, interestingly, say, though, is that sometime in the timeframe when they were there, they're assuming sometime around 3:00 AM, that they saw a Jeep-type vehicle pull up near the beach. That was the only vehicle that they saw close to the beach, a Jeep-type vehicle.GRACE: I want to go to Jug Twitty, Natalee's stepdad. These three judges -- didn't they have prior interaction with van der Sloot's father, the judge wannabe? Don't they all know each other?TWITTY: I don't know about these three. These are all three new judges. They've -- they've -- you know, it's not anybody that's been on the case before.GRACE: Well, I'm glad to hear that.TWITTY: Well, you know, Nancy, the one thing, though, I would say, that, you know, you -- today, Beth and I -- keeping Joran in there was a big thing for us. And we'd like to have seen Deepak or Satish go back in, but Joran staying in there was big for us.And you know what? If I was the so-called judge and my son was now going to be in there for 60 days, I believe I would try to start talking to people, I would try to -- if he thinks he's innocent, then he needs to come out and he needs to tell the world and he needs to talk to Joran and prove they're innocent. I wouldn't want my son, George, in there for 60 days. This would be something that, I'm saying -- you know, I would do everything in the world to try to tell the world that he's innocent.GRACE: Michael Mazarella (ph), a response.UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I agree 100 percent, Nancy. These three guys should be incarcerated, squeeze them. And you know, once they start lying, they got to get their lie right, and I wholeheartedly agree with the father.GRACE: Well, the thing is, Ray Giudice, there's no way for the Kalpoe brothers to keep their lies straight with Joran van der Sloot because he's already had either 9 to 15 different stories.RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, with respect to the family, in deference to the family, I just want to say that it may not be a bad thing for the brothers to be out. The Police will have more access to them in a more comfortable setting. We don`t know if the brothers are communicating with van der Sloot and/or his father while in custody.And if you look at the overall investigation, the quality of it, that is not an impossibility. You may want to get them out, where you can sit down and talk to them, maybe talk about them turning, quote, unquote, "state's evidence," state's witnesses, away from van der Sloot, away from the arm of prosecution, and you might get some progress there.I understand how the family feels, and I respect that, but I don't necessarily think that having the brothers out is a fatal flaw to this investigation. It may cut the other way.GRACE: Well, you know, the thing is, Ray, if I thought the Police were actually wiretapping them, following them, getting their text messages, getting their phone records, you may be right, flushing them out in that manner. But I'm not so convinced that the Aruban Police are all on top of it in that manner.Very quickly, to Karl Penhaul. Why would Joran lie from the get-go?PENHAUL: Why was what? Sorry, Nancy?GRACE: Why would Joran van der Sloot lie from the get-go, from the beginning?PENHAUL: It would be speculation on my part, but talking to some of the defense attorneys, they're saying, Well, he's a young guy, he may have panicked at the start. They all knew that there was some kind of trouble when Natalee disappeared, and that's why they say, initially, that they invented this cover story to put themselves completely in the clear...GRACE: Wait. Wait, wait! Wait, wait! Karl...PENHAUL: ... but it could be after that, he panicked.GRACE: Karl, are you telling me that theory that there was an accident and Natalee died and they panicked?PENHAUL: I really wish I knew that. The motive here is the one that mystifies me...GRACE: Right.PENHAUL: ... and also, these guys, if any of them have killed Natalee, are certainly not hardened killers with any criminal record. So how did they react in such a short time to cover up all these tracks that are defying all efforts to find Natalee?GRACE: Good point, Karl Penhaul.Very quickly, to Michael Mazarella. But here's the thing. Michael, if you fell and hit your head out there in the hall tonight as you were leaving, I wouldn't suddenly try to cover up the body and flush you down the commode and throw you out the window!UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nancy...GRACE: No! I'd call 911. So why feel the need to cover up an accident, if there were an accident?UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exactly. And I don't buy it whatsoever, Nancy.GRACE: I don't buy that for one minute!UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exactly. What needs to be done, Nancy, is a systematic investigation. The judge could be the answer as to how they got their stories straight. Those phone calls in the middle of the night are key.GRACE: OK, everybody. Quick break. I want to thank Dave Holloway and Jug Twitty. Please join us again, sirs. Our thoughts and prayers with you and your families.



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JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: A developing story out of Aruba tonight. Top suspect Joran van der Sloot remains jailed behind bars. Now Aruban authorities have to make their case.
Welcome to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY. No passport required, and only common sense allowed.
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SCARBOROUGH (voice-over): Decision day in Aruba. The prime suspect stays behind bars. We're live with reaction from Natalee's family and what it means in the search for the truth.
Plus, Senator Richard Shelby from Natalee's home state of Alabama comes to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY to talk about his efforts to bring her home.
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SCARBOROUGH: Hey, welcome to the show.
A court has ruled today that Joran van der Sloot, the key suspect in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, will stay behind bars for at least 49 more days. Now, that part of the ruling today certainly considered a victory for Natalee's family, in their tireless fight for justice.
But the other side of it, of course, the Kalpoe brothers. Allowed to walk free.
But we're going to be covering all the angles tonight with the people closest to this story. We're going to have NBC's Michelle Kosinski;
Natalee's step-dad, Jug Twitty; sex crimes prosecutor Stacey Honowitz; and United States Senator Richard Shelby from Natalee's home state of Alabama.
But first, let's go down to Aruba, where NBC's Michelle Kosinski has the very latest. Michelle, talk about today's rulings.
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, the appeals court shot down every single appeal that came before it. And when you look at the outcomes, four out of five of them do not benefit the prosecution, except for one, and that is a big one in their favor, the decision to keep Joran van der Sloot, the No. 1 suspect in this case at this point, behind bars.
That made the family very happy, but they and prosecutors would have liked to have seen the Kalpoe brothers put back in jail. These are the two boys who told investigators that they dropped off Natalee and Joran on a beach early in the morning when Natalee disappeared. The court said there just wasn't enough suspicion to keep them in custody.
Not so for Joran, however. The court very explicitly stated that there is some serious suspicion against him, and that's really what sets him apart from the Kalpoes.
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ISELLA WERNET, COURT CLERK: The serious objections against the suspect consists of the fact that, until briefly, before the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, he was in her company and gave varying statements about what happened then and afterwards.
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KOSINSKI: Interestingly, the court of appeals kind of put all three of these suspects in the same boat, in a sense. They said all three of these young men were with Natalee Holloway shortly before she disappeared, and all three of them gave statements that seemed to change over time.
The difference, though, is they explicitly stated, as we said, in writing, that this serious suspicion against Joran justifies keeping him in jail, and they said they want to keep him there to continue their investigation. They want to sort out all of his statements and get to the bottom of his story.
Of course, they have 116 days from the time of his arrest to keep him there, charge him with a crime, or release him. And as we see it, that date will come in early October for him.
SCARBOROUGH: Michelle, obviously in the United States you have one appeal after another. You can start at the state court, keep going up all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. What about in Aruba? Is this Joran's one and only bite at the apple, or does he have an additional appeal coming up?
KOSINSKI: No more appeals at this stage. At this point, it ends here. Doesn't go to a higher court. The appeals court was ruling on what the lower court judge said, so they upheld that. It stops here for now.
Now, once Joran's 60 days are over, there's going to be another hearing where prosecutors can push to have him detained another 30 days. At that point, another appeals process could start. So it remains to be seen, if the same sorts of things keep going on or, of course, there is more evidence presented, things could really start changing in a big way.
SCARBOROUGH: You know, Michelle, last night we were talking about new evidence that had come out, lawyers had been talking about it over the past few days. Did you get any indication what that evidence was? Obviously, now is the time the prosecution has to get their case together or else Joran walks. Any word, though, on this new evidence?
KOSINSKI: Well, there's plenty of rumors of evidence on this island right now, but those tend to be focused on evidence that's already in the file, that's already there, just stuff that we don't know about.
As for the new evidence that was presented in court on Tuesday by prosecutors, again, we know that these are witness statements in the form of affidavits, but the attorneys are telling us it doesn't pertain to their client, it doesn't affect my client, it's nothing that we haven't heard before.
And we just don't know how true that is. I mean, that could be true in a sense for their client, but obviously, when there is new evidence presented, it has to pertain to the case in some way, and that way is what we don't know.
I mean, does it benefit the prosecution? Possibly, but prosecutors had to present all the evidence they had, even if it was something that was not going to be earth shattering for them, so we just don't know what that evidence is. But it is comforting in a sense to the family that there is something new, at least, that's being gathered that could be presented.
SCARBOROUGH: All right. Thanks so much, Michelle Kosinski, as always. We appreciate you being with us.
Now, let's move on and talk to Jug Twitty, Natalee's stepdad. Jug, thanks for being with us tonight. Great talking to you again. What was the family's reaction to the court decision today?
JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Well, we were happy that they retained Joran, of course. I mean, we would like to have seen Deepak, at least, retained, too, because he still has some—some answers to questions that we have. But we were certainly relieved they kept Joran in there.
And I'd also like to say that I really appreciate—I understand that Senator Shelby is with us here tonight, and that's what the United States is all about. Senator Shelby has helped us tremendously, and I applaud him for stepping up to the plate and helping my family.
SCARBOROUGH: Now, you've left Aruba. How is Beth holding up right now with the hearing? Obviously, she's very disappointed, as were you, when the Kalpoe brothers walked originally.
I mean, after all, these were guys that, again, seen with Natalee, change their story time and time again. Part of the cover-up. Got advice from Joran's father, no body, no crime, and yet they walk. Is she doing OK tonight?
TWITTY: She is, Joe. Thank you very much. She's—she's a strong woman, as everybody in the world knows. She's determined. We all know that—that Joran has answers that we need—you know, we need answered.
And, you know, one thing about him staying in there, I believe that he's going to be in there for 60 days, or 48 more days. And if it was my son, if George was in this situation, I know that I would be telling George, “Let's get to the truth. I don't want you in there another 48 days. You tell the truth. And call us. You tell the truth, and let's get an answer to this. Let's bring closure to it.”
If they're innocent, come forward, and I wouldn't want my son in there for another 48 days.
SCARBOROUGH: You talked—you talked about, obviously, the key suspect and his father. Talk about that night, one of the first nights right after the disappearance. You go to the island. You go to meet these people to talk to them to try to figure out what happened to Natalee, and obviously, you all exchanged words.
What did you see that night? What did you all say to each other? How did your wife know that something was wrong?
TWITTY: Well, you know, immediately when we got to the house, you could tell there was a defense. Already they were trying to come up with some kind of story, so to speak.
And then, of course, we went through the Holiday Inn scene, and Joran immediately tried to say—first he looks at Natalee's picture like he didn't know her. And then, you know, I faced him and I said, “Don't act like you don't know her, because I have—I have witnesses that stood there and saw her get in the car with you.”
And then, “Yes, I know her.” And then we went through that for
awhile, and you know, you just had the feeling right there that something -
· something wasn't right.
SCARBOROUGH: So he's lying from the very beginning, acting like he didn't even know Natalee. Are you convinced tonight, is Beth convinced that these three young men all committed some crime against Natalee?
TWITTY: No, I'm not convinced that they all committed a crime. I'm convinced that they were the last ones—that definitely Joran was the last one to be with Natalee, and he knows the answer.
And as I've said before, numerous times, if it were my son in the same situation, I would have come back the next morning and said, “Look, I've talked to Joran after we spoke last night,” or “I talked to George after we spoke last night, and he really didn't take her to the Holiday Inn. He took her to the Marriott Beach. They dropped him off. She passed out. He may have panicked, or whatever, and—but, you know, we're back this morning, Jug, and Beth, and, Joran did nothing bad. We want to help you find Natalee.”
And why they didn't come back the next morning and try to do that, I don't know. Instead, they go and hire an attorney. So I mean, everybody in the world knows that. So everybody knows that story (ph)...
SCARBOROUGH: Well, Jug, not only do they hire an attorney. They also
· I mean, Paulus goes to the boys and says, “Hey, if there's not a body, there's not a crime.” So obviously—I mean, they are acting in bad faith. They've been acting in bad faith from the first night that you arrived on the island, and they continue to act in bad faith.
You know, we've been hearing the past couple of days about a possible confession, that the FBI talked to the family and said—may have told you all that Joran had made a confession early on in his incarceration. Any truth to that story?
TWITTY: I can't say for sure that that's the truth, but I tell you, Joe, I would—I would believe that that could have happened. I mean, I was told by the FBI they almost broke the first night or two, and that something happened in there. And all of a sudden, somebody got to him, and he decided not to say anything else.
But, you know, now—now we're into the 60-day thing, so if I were his father, Paulus, and I'll make a plea to Paulus, you need to talk to your son, and you need to come and you need to face us and tell us the truth.
Let's bring this to closure. You know the answers. Your son knows the answers. So all we're asking for is, you know, whatever happened, we've been through the we've found her alive, she's been dead. Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.
SCARBOROUGH: All right, Jug Twitty, thank you again for being with us. We really appreciate it. Unfortunately, I don't think we're dealing, again, with people who are acting in good faith. They haven't from the beginning.
But certainly our thoughts and prayers are with you. And we hope that something turns up, something happens soon, to finally bring closure to this case.
TWITTY: Thank you.
SCARBOROUGH: All right. Straight ahead, more to come on our Aruba coverage. Next, we are going to be talking to the United States senator who is desperately trying to get answers out of Aruba, out of the Dutch, and out of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
Also, we're going to be talking about the latest on the mystery in the Mediterranean. What happened to a newlywed on his honeymoon cruise? He disappeared, blood was reportedly found in his cabin, and many are saying it looks like murder. That's coming up.
And also, mixing it up with Morgan Spurlock. We got the man who received an Oscar for eating McDonald's for 30 straight days. He's still alive to tell about that and much more in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY. He's going to talk about his latest provocative project.
We're just sticking around. Stay with us.
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SCARBOROUGH: An exclusive Connecticut town is reeling under the story of a possible murder on a Mediterranean cruise. We'll give you that honeymoon story when SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY returns.
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SCARBOROUGH: You're looking at the Wall of Hope in Birmingham, Alabama. People in Natalee's hometown continue to add to it every day, continuing to keep hope alive.
Now, we all know Joran van der Sloot is going to spend at least another several weeks in jail, so the question is, will prosecutors be able to build a case against him in that time to convict him?
Let's turn to Florida sex crimes prosecutor Stacey Honowitz. You know, Stacey, we keep talking about that quote, that chilling quote by the father, “No body, no crime.” In the end, that's pretty god legal advice, isn't it?
STACEY HONOWITZ, SEX CRIMES PROSECUTOR: Absolutely. I mean, Joe, this is a very difficult case. If this kid doesn't break or crack somehow within the next 60 days, prosecutors have a major problem.
Now, as Michelle said at the top of the segment, she talked about additional evidence. We know that they are waiting for evidence of e-mails or computer chat rooms, so we still don't know what's hanging out there. Hopefully, prosecutors will have something else to tie him in. But for now...
SCARBOROUGH: But, Stacey, of everything you know.
HONOWITZ: ... he says it's nothing. He's not going to break.
SCARBOROUGH: Of everything you know of tonight, what you're telling us is, if the police officers aren't able to break this guy down, he 's going to walk out of jail free 49 days from now?
HONOWITZ: Yes, I mean, you really, unfortunately, have nothing in this case at this point. That's what we're dealing with. The guy that's in custody that gives inconsistent statements, you can't prosecute just based on a lie. You can hold him, but you can't prosecute him for murder based on inconsistent statements without any kind of forensic evidence. That's what we're hoping is going to come about.
SCARBOROUGH: So what happens? I mean, Stacey, we obviously, in the United States, we—we hear of murders that are—that are committed. We never find a body, and yet somebody is convicted.
Later on, the segment we're going to be talking about a possible murder in the Mediterranean, where a lot of evidence may point to a wife.
You can convict people without actually having the body, can't you?
HONOWITZ: Oh, absolutely. I'm not saying that the body is the key in this case. Certainly having the body, if, of course, she has been murdered, would help with forensic evidence and things like that.
But in any kind of murder case, even though you don't have the physical body, you still have the corpus delecti, the body of the crime, which means that a mere confession would not be enough. You really need some type of forensic or evidence to prove that there was violence, something was committed.
So while you're right about there doesn't have to be a physical body, there still has to be a corpus to the crime. Murders take place. People are prosecuted, but right now as we sit here and we wait, right now we don't have anything. So we're going to have to see what comes through the next 60 days.
SCARBOROUGH: All right. Of course, what's so difficult about that is we've got to sit and wait in the dark, because obviously, it's a judicial system in Aruba that is not transparent, to say the least.
Stacey, thanks a lot.
HONOWITZ: They don't want the public to know anything. Thanks, Joe.
SCARBOROUGH: No, they really don't. Thank, as always, Stacey. We really appreciate you being with us.
Now earlier tonight, I talked to U.S. Senator Richard Shelby, and I asked the Alabama senator about the ongoing investigation to find Natalee and also asked him if the Aruban government is shutting out the FBI.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
SEN. RICHARD SHELBY ®, ALABAMA: The FBI has to be asked to come in there. You know, this is an extraterritorial area. There's sovereignty there. We've had people down there, but you know, they're not conducting the investigation, because they don't have the jurisdiction to do it. But they have tried to aid the Aruban investigators everywhere they could.
They've reached out. They've reached out to me. But where we go from here, I don't know. I think every day works against us.
SCARBOROUGH: You've written some letters to the Aruban prime minister, to Condoleezza Rice, also.
SHELBY: Absolutely.
SCARBOROUGH: Tell me the response to those letters. And there's some tough talk in there, where you did accuse them of running an ineffective investigation. What was the response from Aruba, from the Dutch, and also from Condi Rice?
SHELBY: Well, first of all, the Aruban prime minister called me. The Dutch ambassador has been in touch. Secretary Rice's office has been in touch, and of course, but nothing is really coming together yet.
You know, generally we want results. We haven't gotten them yet. The family needs results. There's just, as I said earlier, just too many unanswered questions. A lot of—a lot of mystery, a lot of stuff that shouldn't have gone on. Forty-something days, nearly going on 50 days, and no answers. Something is wrong.
SCARBOROUGH: When you talk to the family, the Holloway family, what do you say to them? What can you say to them to try to bring them comfort or understanding?
SHELBY: Well, I don't know, except to say this. I think the family, Ms. Twitty, Natalee Holloway's mother, her father, her stepfather, her stepmother, her aunts and others, they have driven this issue. They care about this. This is a very important member of their family.
And I believe if they hadn't pushed it like they had, nothing—it would have been on the back pages if it would have been anywhere. But I hope they will continue. I want to reach out as one of the U.S. senators, and senator from their home state of Alabama to try to help them find some answers.
SCARBOROUGH: All right, Senator Richard Shelby, thank you so much for being with us.
SHELBY: Thank you, Joe.
SCARBOROUGH: And roll Tide.
SHELBY: Roll Tide.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
SCARBOROUGH: I'll tell you what—I'll tell you, everybody in Alabama greatly appreciative of what the senator is doing, certainly the family, as you heard earlier tonight, very appreciative. This senator continues to fight for the truth. And since the Aruban officials don't seem to be as concerned, that's certainly a good thing.



7-15-05
The weekend of 7-15, NATALEE’s Loved Ones posted a new reward of
US$175,000.00 for her safe return
US$50,000.00 already offered for a tip to her whereabouts
On 7-15 SCARBOROUGH reported that next to the investigated and excavated “Arikok National Park” 6’ long and 4’ deep dugout hole, even the roots of a nearby tree had, clearly, been deliberately chopped away at the re-dugout hole’s edge.
As of 7-15, “Texas EquuSearch” has requested of the Aruba Police several times to let “Texas EquuSearch” search on the Murder Suspects SLOOT’s home property, but the Aruba Police will not let them search the property
On 7-15 TIM MILLER reported to FOX News that on July 6, 2005 he was informed that a “bone with meat still on it” was found by FORNARO while diving in the ocean. TIM MILLER stated the bone was taken to the authorities and the finders were told that the ARUBAN Police would “send it downtown”, but the person who could examine the bone and identify it as being human or not “was on vacation until next week.”
FORNARO discovered one bone in the ocean that she found “between 2 large rocks.” FORNARO describes the bone as being 3.5” to 5.0” long, larger at one end that was rounded “like a bone joint,” gray in color, and still had a “whitish tissue that was still meaty and flesh-like that was still attached to the bone.” When asked if she thought it was a human bone, FORNARO said, yes, she thought it was a human’s bone because the bone had not been cooked nor barbecued like an animal bone might have been if eaten as food. FORNARO wrapped the bone in paper, but even wrapped in paper she described its smell as so pungently bad and so strong that she had to put the wrapped bone in the trunk of her car while she and her mother transported the bone to the ARUBAN Police station in NOORD (the very same Police station very close to the Murder Suspects VAN DER SLOOT‘s home, and, the same Police station where the Murder Suspects VAN DER SLOOT‘s were arrested and held within). When she gave the bone to someone behind the “reception desk” at the ARUBAN Police NOORD station, the person who accepted the bone told her that the Police specialist who will examine the bone was on vacation, and that the Police detectives will be contacting her. On 7-13 while lunching somewhere, FORNARO noticed a “Texas EquuSearch” team member also lunching in the same place. FORNARO told the “Texas EquuSearch” team member about her finding the bone near the “Marriott Hotel,” she described the bone, and FORNARO said she had taken the bone to the ARUBAN Police station in NOORD and turned it over to the Police. The “Texas EquuSearch” team member asked FORNARO to show him exactly where she found the bone, and FORNARO did so. While at the discovery location they also found a pair of thong underwear and a yellow-colored hair “scrunchie.“ The same day the “Texas EquuSearch” team member asked FORNARO if the Police had contacted her. When FORNARO said the Police have not contacted her, the “Texas EquuSearch” team member asked if she would mind going to the ARUBAN Police station at NOORD and checking on the bone. FORNARO agreed. When she went into the Police station and asked to speak with a detective about the bone she turned in, the woman Police officer asked FORNARO (paraphrasing), “Oh, you mean the two bones?” As of 7-17 FORNARO has still not been contacted by the ARUBAN Police "detectives". (On 7-15 there was a CNN report that 2 bones were found at 2 different times by 2 different persons and that 1 of the bones has, supposedly, been determined to be from a donkey…. But that begs the question…. If the ARUBAN Police forensics bone specialist was on vacation, how could s/he have determined one bone was from a donkey, and why has not the other bone, presumably the bone FORNARO discovered, been publicly announced what type of bone it has been determined to be????) TIM MILLER stated the Police have never notified “Texas EquuSearch” about the bone. As of 7-15 TIM MILLER has not heard anything about the bone--if it has been tested?, testing results?, if it is human remains? etc. On 7-15 BADEN stated that “any physician could easily determine if the bone was human or animal.” BADEN called it “outrageous” that Police are dragging their feet about the bone. BADEN stated , “ARUBAN Police are not really on top of this case” also sighting the apparent lack of speedy interest in the bone and the fact that the Police should have been removing the cement barrel from the “Marriott Hotel“ water, not “Texas EquuSearch.” (FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN also pointed out that the no one has said the bone is from an animal) TIM MILLER stated that an ARUBAN tipster mentioned they had noticed the barrel in the water around 7-1. BADEN indicated that unless a body in the ocean was in some kind of container, it would be mostly gone by now.
Dr. of criminal forensics MICHAEL BADEN also reminded us that when Current Murder Suspect JOHNS and Current Murder Suspect JONES were arrested that it was reported almost immediately after their arrest that each of their body’s were forensically inspected for bruises, scratches, cuts, hair fibers, etc but it seems that when Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was taken in for questioning, and even though several witnesses now have mentioned a bruise readily visible on Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s face, nothing has similarly been stated that his body was forensically inspected for his or another persons bruises, scratches, cuts, hair fibers, blood, other DNA, etc., etc.
On 7-15 the barrel in the ocean near the “Marriott Hotel” beach is removed by “Texas EquuSearch” (taking almost 3 hours) while the ARUBAN Police commissioner VAN DER STRATEN showed up dressed only in civilian cloths and chose to only watch. DAVE HOLLOWAY shows up to help. The barrel was filled with cement. (Probably a homemade ship-mooring anchor years ago) BADEN stated , “ARUBAN Police are not really on top of this case” also sighting the apparent lack of speedy interest in the bone and the fact that the Police should have been removing the cement barrel from the “Marriott Hotel“ water, not “Texas EquuSearch.”
On 7-15 TIM MILLER stated that the team is probably leaving, but will be back on 7-28 with ground search radar.
PAUL REYNOLD’s stated to CNN on 7-15, “And back on the confession. You know, what was reported is somewhat vague. But the deputy commissioner report of the Aruban Police, reported the boys were talking that Friday night. The next morning, the chief spokesperson for the minister of justice was reporting that Natalee was dead. The F.B.I. had even intimated to my sister that they thought Natalee was probably not alive based on what the boys were saying. So we're confident they were saying something. We don't know exactly what it was.”
On 7-15 REYNOLD’s stated that the family has been requesting of the Aruba Governor REFENJOL “to bring in independent Investigators to bring credibility to the case.” PAUL REYNOLD’s stated to CNN on 7-15, “And back on the confession. You know, what was reported is somewhat vague. But the deputy commissioner report of the Aruban Police, reported the boys were talking that Friday night. The next morning, the chief spokesperson for the minister of justice was reporting that Natalee was dead. The F.B.I. had even intimated to my sister that they thought Natalee was probably not alive based on what the boys were saying. So we're confident they were saying something. We don't know exactly what it was.”
On 7-15 REYNOLD’s was asked about the ARUBAN Police not allowing the “Texas EquuSearch” team search the Main and Current Murder Suspects SLOOT’s property; REYNOLD’s responded, “That’s right. And we’ve been talking about that for a couple of weeks. Tim has expressed his frustration and particularly the well is something he would like to take a look at. It’s just—it’s amazing to me that they refuse that.”
Also, the morning after NH disappeared [May 30, 2005], Joran came with a big bruise on his face and was sleeping in class and could only be woken up when he was pelted with (note?)books.
On 7-15 FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN reported that she had spoken to the mother of a school student male witness about Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT showing up at school the morning of 5-30 with a very noticeable bruise on his facial cheek. On 7-15 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that an Aruban woman had called her said she just wanted to make sure that BETH knew that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had a bruise on his face the morning of 5-30 at school. On 7-15 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that a colleague reporter had gone to Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT ’s school on 6-9 to ask about Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. When TITO LACLE’s colleague asked about Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT to a person at the school he was told, “Oh, you mean that boy with the bruise.”

On 7-15 FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN stated that when she spoke to a Police official that day that “he gave me a wink and a nod“ that FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN interpreted as the Police do not have enough evidence to prosecute a case.
On 7-15 CNN reported that the F.B.I. has asked on more than one occasion to take a close look at what's been gathered so far, for example, statements made, interviews conducted, evidence collected, etc to try to give a fresh perspective to things. The F.B.I. has been turned down on more than one occasion to get a look at this information. The F.B.I. profile of NATALEE was provided ARUBAN investigators on one occasion. A Dutch profiler who has also been provided in on this case has offered advice, for example, on techniques in interviewing Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT , and that advice has not been used, apparently. When ARUBAN government spokespeople and a spokesperson for the prosecutor's office were asked about not using F.B.I. Experienced suggestions for interrogation. According to one ARUBAN source, the local rules don't allow the FBI, who is actively not participating but observing and assisting, to look at this information. According to the government spokesperson and the prosecutor's office, "They're assisting us. We're thinking about it. We're allowing them to do certain things, and not allowing them to do others."
BETH also stated that she found out 7-15 that the ARUBAN Police Investigators have never asked the D.E.A. agent for a statement on what he witnessed and heard during the 5-31 early morning encounters between the TWITTY’s and Murder Suspects SLOOT‘s.
On 7-15 DUTCH news-sourced “Expatica” reported:

Brothers remain free in Holloway caseAMSTERDAM — A Court in Aruba has rejected a prosecutor's appeal against the decision to release two Surinamese brothers from custody as the search for missing American teenager Natalee Holloway continues.The court also ruled that Dutch teenager Joran van der S., must remain in custody.Satish and Deepak K., aged 17 and 21 respectively, and Van der S., 17, are believed to have been the last people with Holloway prior to her disappearance on 30 May. The three young men were arrested in June.Police suspect Holloway, 18, was murdered but weeks of intensively searching has so far failed to find any trace of her.Holloway was holidaying on Aruba with friends to celebrate their graduation from high school. Aruba is a Caribbean island of 71,000 people and an autonomous part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.The three judges hearing the appeal backed the decision taken by an examining magistrate earlier this month to continue the detention of Van der S. for 60 days and release the brothers. Van der S.'s lawyer had argued his client should also be freed.In its judgements, the appeals court indicated that there were clear suspicions Holloway had been the victim of a serious crime, but that there was too little concrete evidence to justify keeping Satish and Deepak in custody for any longer.The judges said that Van der S.'s case was different as he had made "contradictory statements" about 30 May and this warranted holding him for further investigation, the court said.Prior to the appeal hearing, the missing teenager's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, voiced strong objections to freeing the brothers from custody. She insisted she has evidence that Joran was involved in Natalee's disappearance."I definitely know those three individuals have involvement in her disappearance,'' Twitty told a reporter from The Associated Press at her hotel in Aruba.



On 7-15 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News that it is now too hard for her to go to designated search spots with “Texas EquuSearch, saying “there have been too many highs and lows, and I just can’t do it anymore (every day).” When FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN mentioned that FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN was receiving emails urging FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN to mention to BETH that it is okay if BETH leaves, BETH responded, “Ohhh. Oh no. There’s still a lot that needs to be done. I will not leave ARUBA until we have answers. We have to be here to represent NATALEE, and keep things moving,” and that she may travel back and forth from the UNITED STATES to ARUBA so she can spend time with her 16-year-old son. When asked what she would think if the case is never solved, BETH stated, I don’t know if I can accept that.”
On 7-15 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY described being at the “Holiday Inn” breezeway lobby car entrance at 3:30 to 4:00 AM on 5-31 when she had the confrontation with Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. BETH stated she might not have seen the facial cheek bruise several witnesses have said he had because the lighting at that spot was dim.
On 7-15 NADIRA RAMIREZ told FOX News that Current Murder Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE has not yet received his car, computer, nor driving identity card back from the Police and she may go next week and start asking about their return.
On 7-15 NADIRA RAMIREZ told FOX News she thinks NATALEE is still alive. She also said that the brothers are not “sporters,” so they “just drive around” when they go out driving NADIRA RAMIREZ “only on the weekends.”
(yet, the Murder Suspects KALPOE’s were partying until, at least, 2:00 AM on a Monday school night)
NADIRA RAMIREZ also said that no one has been giving the Murder Suspect KALPOE’s nor her nor her husband a hard time since her boys were arrested.
On 7-15 ERIC SOEMERS took over as the ARUBAN Police commissioner when STRATEN went on a pre-retirement “vacation.”
TED WILLIAMS, an AMERICAN, Attorney (defense) and former Police Homicide Detective on 7-15 told FOX News that the case might go unsolved if the Police do not have any more physical evidence. Also mentioned that an AMERICAN tourist was killed in ARUBA in 1996.
T. J. WARD, an AMERICAN ex-F.B.I. Private Investigator with the firm “Investigative Consultants International“ in Alpharetta, Georgia was hired circa 7-15 by the TWITTY family to start a private investigation of NATALEE’s disappearance. Concerned about watching the ARUBAN investigation falling apart, T. J. WARD traveled to ARUBA at his own expense earlier in July to meet with the TWITTY family. "There's somebody out there who knows about this investigation, who knows about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and we're going to try to establish that on behalf of the family,” Ward said. One of the tools he plans to use is layered voice analysis, which is essentially truth-telling technology that can be used to test live or recorded voices. "With layered voice analysis, all we have to do is have a casual conversation with you, and we can tell whether you're telling the truth or you're hiding something,” Ward said. Layered voice analysis shows stress, high tension and inaccuracies throughout. "This is a probability of what he's saying is false,” Ward said. "This is a good way to build your investigative case against somebody." Ward says he has already evaluated interviews with some of the suspects in the Holloway case, and turned over his findings to the family. Although he'll work for them, he plans to cooperate with local authorities. "I assure you that if we find evidence that leans toward any defendants or new defendants, we'll turn that over to the F.B.I. or Aruban authorities immediately,” he said. Like a polygraph test, layered voice analysis is not admissible in court, but Ward says it is becoming more popular as an investigative tool for local and federal law enforcement agencies, such as the Secret Service. During his recent trip to Aruba, he showed the technology to prosecutors and Police, but they told him they couldn't use it since Aruban courts do not allow the technology either.
On 7-15 ARUBAAN's news-source "Amigoe.com" reported: (this was translated using an online service)

Rudy Croes: Conflict Public Prosecution Service cannotORANJESTAD - a conflict the Public Prosecution Service can (OM) and cannot. I will talk vanmiddag with both persons involved to work for a solution. This says Rudy Croes (MEP) if required concerning the conflict between Procurator-General Theresa Croes-Fernandes and to minister of justice chief public prosecutor Karin Janssen. Minister Croes confirms that a letter the Procurator-General to head officier Janssen has sent.
According to the bewindsman Janssen have returned a letter. He does not want however say if Janssen have had an official reprimand. I have two letters and I want discuss it with both. It is a complete serious case. I cannot tolerate that this type solicits within Public Prosecution Service of Aruba plays. On the question to what extent the fight between ‘macamba's' and ‘arubanen' plays a role in the strained work relations within Public Prosecution Service, Croes remove fel. Here we do not distinguish that. It is not here like in the Netherlands, where the ‘dirty arubaan' and ‘dirty Antillean' are. Here on Aruba we do not do that.



On 7-15 the “National Enquirer” reported:

HOW NATALEE WAS KILLEDDutch teenager Joran van der Sloot confessed to his father that he dumped Natalee Holloway's body in shark-infested waters after she accidentally hit her head and drowned in a drug-induced stupor on an Aruban beach.
This stunning new theory from inside the Police investigation of the missing teen emerged as her grief-stricken relatives came to terms with the fact that Natalee was not going to be found alive — or possibly not found at all — because the man-eating sharks may have left nothing behind."Her family has come to believe that she's not with us anymore. That's just realistic," said Natalee's step-uncle Steve Parten, a Florida minister.Natalee, from Birmingham, Ala., was last seen around 1 am on May 30 leaving Carlos 'N Charlie's, a local nightclub, with 17-year-old Joran and his buddies Satish Kalpoe, 18, and his brother Deepak, 21. It was the last night of Natalee's high school graduation trip with her classmates.For the first time, Police are investigating information from several sources that a panic-stricken Joran confessed to his father Paulus that Natalee died accidentally and that he fed her body to the sharks.Two of those sources are Jim Dooley, a South Carolina job recruiter for the health care industry, and his wife, Bella.In an exclusive interview, the Dooleys said they contacted the F.B.I. after learning of Joran's confession to his dad during a shopping trip to a clothing store in Charlotte, N.C. The date was June 11; just a few days after Aruba Police had arrested Joran and the Kalpoe brothers as "persons of interest" in the case.Dooley said the clerk at the clothing store told him that she and her husband are very good friends with Joran's dad, Paulus van der Sloot, and his wife, Anita. Her own son had attended school with Joran on the island and was a close pal.The clerk told Dooley: "Joran told his father that he and Natalee had all been drinking and taking drugs at the nightclub. The father specifically mentioned they took Ecstasy. Joran told his father that when they left the club, they went to a beach on the island. Natalee was very ill and threw up several times."Then she fell and hit her head on something. Joran checked her and realized she was dead."Joran and others discussed an appropriate place to dump Natalee's body, a specific place where someone would disappear forever... a spot on the island where the waters are shark-infested."Arubaans know the shark-feeding spot very well and directed a National Enquirer reporter to its location on the rugged north coast of the island, where the ocean pounds the rocks and few people live.The water there is deep and murky and sits beneath a high cliff, far away from the beautiful beaches and posh hotel casinos on the island's southern side.A meatpacking plant once occupied the site. Workers there would discard meat cuttings into the ocean. The sharks would quickly gather and go into a feeding frenzy. To this day, dead animals are dumped into the waters at the shark site for the sake of tourism.The clerk continued: "Paulus van der Sloot is very worried. This was an accidental death but his son is likely to end up going to jail because it looks like he was covering up a murder."But Paulus admitted telling his son that if a body wasn't found, there could be a chance he'd get out of jail."According to another source close to the case, Robert Werner, headmaster of the International School of Aruba, where Joran attended classes, also said that Paulus van der Sloot admitted to him his son confessed that Natalee died accidentally in a fall on a beach.The source revealed: "Paulus told the headmaster that Joran and Natalee had been taking drugs and decided to go for a swim. As they played in and around the water, Natalee fell, hit her head on a rock and drowned. In a drug and alcohol-induced panic, Joran felt he had no other choice but to dispose of Natalee's body in the sea."Paulus van der Sloot was arrested himself on June 23; a week after the Dooleys reported their conversation with the clerk to the FBI. He was later released but he could be re-arrested, said Aruban authorities. He did admit talking to his son about Natalee's disappearance, saying he advised him in general terms that without a body there may be no way to prove a crime was committed.The Kalpoe brothers were also released. But they, too, could be re-arrested, Aruban authorities said. At the time of going to press, Joran remained behind bars. His family maintains his innocence.


Transcript of the 7-15 CNN TV show “Larry King”

TED ROWLANDS, CNN HOST: Tonight, after 47 long, agonizing days, Natalee Holloway's fate remains a mystery. Yesterday, an Aruban judge ruled another judge's son stays in jail and that two brothers who had been jailed remain free. Now, the latest on how her family's holding up, with her uncle, Paul Reynolds. Plus, Tim Miller, leading that Texas team in Aruba searching for Natalee. Also with us, CNN's Susan Candiotti with news on the FBI's involvement in the case. Florida Assistant State Attorney Stacey Honowitz. High-profile defense attorney, Michael Cardoza, and forensic expect Dr. Kathy Reichs. They're all next on LARRY KING LIVE.Hey, hello. And welcome, everybody. I'm Ted Rowlands in for Larry tonight. It has been 47 long, anguished days since 18-year-old Alabama honor student Natalee Holloway disappeared on the island of Aruba. Her fate is still a mystery. Earlier this week, a three-judge panel ruled that a 17-year-old Dutch student, Joran van der Sloot, must remain behind bars as authorities try to figure out what happened to Natalee. Joran, the son of a judge-in-training, has been in custody since June 9th. He and two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, are the last three people known to have seen Natalee. The Kalpoe brothers were taken into custody on June 9th, as well, then released on grounds of insufficient evidence on July 4th. A prosecution appeal to have them brought back into custody was rejected on Thursday.Thus far, no one has been formally charged in connection with Natalee's disappearance. Tim Miller is the director EquuSearch. He is in Aruba tonight. Tim, something was found on the beach. What was it? And was there any significance to the case? TIM MILLER, EQUUSEARCH DIRECTOR: Well, you know, I think it was wonderful what was found on the beach today. Again, we did some things that eliminated where Natalee's at. In all honesty, I wish she would have been in that barrel. We found some things in it. It's terrible to say that we wish we'd find Natalee's body, but I feel as though Natalee is dead somewhere. I don't think she made it off this island. Or if she did, she ended up in the water.So we're trying to cover all that stuff. And you know, we was a little disappointed at the end of it today. I mean, we put a tremendous amount of work in it and, again, eliminated something but, you know, I... ROWLANDS: This was a cement barrel? Was it actually in the water? Was it in the sand? What was the situation? TIM MILLER: Well, I bought a 250-foot rope, and we used up every inch of the rope to tie off the barrel, and then we got many people on the beach to pull the barrel in. The storm came in, so when we were diving, we really couldn't see. We knew it was a barrel. We knew it had some concrete. We felt as though that possibly, if Natalee was dumped out there, that they don't want Natalee to float. They don't want her to end up in anyplace. I mean, this has been a big high-profile case, so, you know, we feel as though there is a chance she was dumped in a container in the water. So we're just checking out everything. And we came up empty- handed, but I'm proud of what we did. I just really wish Natalee would have been in there so everybody could have some closure on this. ROWLANDS: Tuesday on this show you said that you found a spot you think possibly Natalee was at, at one point before she was, quote, "moved." Did anything come of that? And have you really found anything of significance since you've started searching? TIM MILLER: We've not found anything that really means anything in this case. I'm certainly not convinced that area we found the other day may not have had something to do with Natalee's disappearance. You know, it's possible that she was buried, and that's what got us excited about that. We were actually searching on the other side of the island when a guy drove up to us and told us where we needed to go. And he said, "Don't tamper with evidence when you get there." We went there. We saw that, which certainly appeared as a grave site. Remembering what they said early on, that, you know, they buried her. You know, we felt as though maybe they buried her a couple of days later, somebody hired somebody to go ahead and dig her up, and dispose of her someplace so she'd never be found. So I'm not totally convinced at this time -- even though there wasn't any evidence found, I'm not totally convinced that wasn't a possibility that Natalee was there at one time or another. ROWLANDS: Paul Reynolds is Natalee Holloway's uncle, brother of Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway-Twitty. Tonight, he is in Houston, Texas. You hear about a barrel today, a few days ago, a spot where she may have been. How frustrating is it for the family? Did you think that this nightmare would last, now 47 days? PAUL REYNOLDS, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE: We certainly never expected this to go this long. You know, we understand the frustration. We appreciate Tim's efforts out there looking every day, following up on the leads. That's what we want to happen. That's what's necessary to get to the bottom of this. You know, we're there to stick this out. My sister is there. You know, we want the truth to come out, no matter what happens. ROWLANDS: Are you confident that the truth will come out here, one way or another, and it's just going to take time? Or are you fearful that you'll never know exactly what happened to Natalee? REYNOLDS: I feel like we will know. I'm confident that, with the people involved, the determination that we have. And you know, we certainly have hope that we will get the truth and we will find out what happened and where she is. ROWLANDS: Susan Candiotti, CNN correspondent covering this for CNN is in Miami tonight. Susan, I know you have some information about the FBI's frustration, let alone the family's frustration. SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, everyone's disappointed, obviously, about the inability to solve this difficult case. And tonight, we're hearing from a source close to the investigation, a law enforcement source, that, as you know, the F.B.I. has been involved in this investigation -- invited by the Aruban authorities to come down and participate, to observe basically. And we learned that the F.B.I. has asked on more than one occasion to take a close look at what's been gathered so far, for example, statements made, interviews conducted, evidence collected, that kind of thing, as it's been explained to me, to try to give a fresh perspective to things. Well, I have learned that they have been turned down on more than one occasion to get a look at this information. And for example, I'm also told by sources that the F.B.I. profile of her was there on one occasion. And a Dutch profiler who has also been provided in on this case has offered advice, for example, on techniques in interviewing this teenager, Joran van der Sloot, the son of the judge, the teenage son of the judge, and that advice has not been used, apparently. Now, we've gone to government spokespeople to ask them about that. We've also talked to a spokesperson for the prosecutor's office to find out -- try to find out why. And according to one source, the local rules don't allow the FBI, who is actively not participating but observing and assisting, to look at this information.But we also, according to the government spokesperson and the prosecutor's office, they couldn't really give us a clear-cut answer. They said, "They're assisting us. We're thinking about it. We're allowing them to do certain things, and not allowing them to do others."ROWLANDS: Stacey Honowitz, does that surprise you? And if they're not supposed to share information, that's not going to fly very well in the local community, if the F.B.I. comes in and wants to take this over. Clearly, in a case that's so high-profile, that seems to make sense to me. STACEY HONOWITZ, Florida ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY: Well, I'll tell you something. We were on the show Tuesday night. And Michael Cardoza made a point which is true. You know, egos, when you're dealing with investigations like this, definitely get in the way. But when you hear Susan's report, and you hear that the F.B.I. is there, ready, willing and able to assist in this investigation, it's preposterous to think that this government would not let them intervene and come in. It's all a matter of, who wants to solve the crime? And if the Investigators -- if the F.B.I. is well-versed in interrogating suspects, as they are, in interviewing techniques and gathering evidence more so than the Aruban Police, then definitely they should try to make an exception to this local rule and let them come in and help solve this case. It's ridiculous what's going on over there now. ROWLANDS: But, Michael Cardoza, if an Aruban were being investigated by the F.B.I. in this country, would the F.B.I. invite the Aruban authorities to join in? MICHAEL CARDOZA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, one would think not, but one would think they'd be a little more gracious about it and bring the F.B.I. -- or the Aruban government in and show them what's going on with the case. And it appears that's not what's being done here. They're not sharing anything with them. Or if they do, they just give them little tidbits that won't lead to anything. So, again, I think it's -- the problem I see is, they don't have enough experience to do this. I mean, how many murders do they have in Aruba? I read somewhere it's one in seven years. It may well be more than that. But I'll tell you what -- you know, being an ex-prosecutor, I know that the bigger metropolitan Police departments that deal with, you know, a hundred or so murders a year are better at investigating than small-town Investigators that don't get but one every two, three, four years. Same thing here. I mean, how many do they get in Aruba? It's like let's get this thing solved. Let's put the egos aside. Bring them in. Let them use those techniques if they have to. Even if they get a confession that couldn't be used in a courtroom, at least there may be some closure to this case. And the Holloways and the Twittys can go away knowing what happened to their daughter. So I'm a defense attorney, but I'm telling you, let's get the answer to this and worry about the prosecution later. ROWLANDS: All right. We need to take a break. We'll talk about that confession that supposedly was received when we come back. Before we go to break, LARRY KING LIVE has extended a standing invitation to Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, as well as their attorneys and family members, to appear on this show. So far, those invitations have not been accepted. The prosecutor's office on Aruba is not doing media interviews at this time. We'll be right back.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)ROWLANDS: Dr. Kathy Reichs is a forensic anthropologist for the office of the chief medical examiner of the state of North Carolina. She is also the author of eight best-selling novels. Her latest is "Cross Bones." Dr. Reichs, 47 days, is that too long? Are they losing the potential for evidence? Or if they find something significant, is time really not a factor here? DR. KATHY REICHS, FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST And AUTHOR: Well, time is always a factor. And the more time that goes by, the more difficult it becomes. When I'm brought into a case, I deal with the victim. So the longer the time that goes by, the worse shape that victim's going to be in. And depending on whether they're in a shallow grave, whether they're in the water, whether they're in a barrel, it's going to make a difference. But the longer it is, the more decomposition that takes place. ROWLANDS: Clearly, Natalee Holloway has not been determined dead by anybody. Tim Miller alluded to the fact that, indeed, a body is something that they are looking for. The family holds out some hope that some way she will turn up alive and well. That said, what can you determine from, let's say, a body that has decomposed severely, in terms of solving a crime? REICHS: Yes, well, those are the cases in which the forensic anthropologist is brought in, if you've got to go to the bones. If all of the soft tissue is decomposed or badly compromised in some way, then you're going to have to look at the bones, look at the skull to see what you can for identification purposes, and also for determining cause of death, if possible. Anything that will leave a mark on the skeleton, such as gun shots, strangulation, bludgeoning, that's going to be very critical in determining what happened in this case if, in fact -- hopefully it's not the case, but, if, in fact, Natalee is dead. ROWLANDS: Paul Reynolds, is there still hope in the family that Natalee somehow miraculously could be found alive? REYNOLDS: We certainly have that hope. You know, we're looking at all the facts, but we have to keep that hope until we have evidence to the contrary. But you know, the concerns that we have are really about the investigation. You know, we have to question the credibility of some of the investigation, based on what we're seeing. ROWLANDS: What's been the most frustrating thing, in terms of the investigation for the family? REYNOLDS: Well, you know, it starts from day one. You know, my sister and her husband were able to identify the suspects the day Natalee was missing. That information was given to the Police. They went to the house. They waited 10 days to take those suspects into custody. They knew the second day that they were lying. You know, what was the reason for that? And then we had the disappearing confessions, the confessions that happened and didn't, and then that happened and were taken away, the refusal to work with the FBI, basically the refusal to work in good faith with EquuSearch. You know, it just -- it goes on and on. And we have to wonder why. ROWLANDS: Susan Candiotti, there was a confession out there, one of the newspapers reported that, indeed, Joran van der Sloot had confessed and had implicated one of the brothers. Where does that stand? Is there or is there not any confession on the table? CANDIOTTI: We don't have any confirmation of any confession that was made, only that different versions and statements have been given by at least the three people involved in this case, the Kalpoe brothers and the van der Sloot boy. And so, in terms of a confession, I have not heard any kind of information, or evidence, or confirmation that really took place. Certainly, you would think that, if there were a confession, that someone who be charged. I can stress that, despite the problems, that there is said to be a good rapport among the investigating authorities. But the question is, you know, how long, for example, is the F.B.I. going to be able to stay there, you know, at their optimum manpower? There were at least eight agents there, including a victim witness coordinator. And now they're down to about one person. So you know, we really don't know how much longer they will be able to stay on the island and participate in this investigation. ROWLANDS: All right, Susan. Eighteen-year-old Natalee Holloway missing now for 47 days. Gone without a trace. The investigation continues. We'll have more right after this. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) ROWLANDS: Stacey Honowitz, what are the odds of getting anything significant out of Joran van der Sloot at this point, with his father, obviously, a judge of some sort, telling him presumably not to say anything more? Is this going to be cold, in terms of trying to crack this young man? HONOWITZ: Well, up until this point, you would think, listening to everything that we've heard so far, that it is going to be tough to crack this person. And we know, for any kind of investigation to proceed or some meaningful investigation to go on, you really do need him to speak. But his father, as we have heard, has said to him, "No body, no crime." And certainly, knowing that he's only going to be in there for another 60 days, maybe another 30-day extension, I'm sure that he is just going to shut his mouth. The most important thing -- and that's why we've said it's important that you get good interrogators in there. I mean, some of these guys are trained. They have great strategies, they have great techniques. They know how to do these things. Nobody's saying that the Aruban Police are incompetent, but it's the sophisticated level of what they know and how to do this. So I think, at this point, with him being in there as long as he is and not saying anything so far, you're going to have a problem. ROWLANDS: Could you move forward, especially considering this is a country that you don't try a case in front of a jury, it's just a judge? Could you convince a judge without a body that the murder has taken place, a, and, b, this young man is responsible, if you don't have at leas a partial confession? HONOWITZ: Well, listen, it's not only just the confession, but you know, it's not just the physical body, it's the corpus of the crime. So even just a mere confession probably isn't going to be enough. You're going to need to tie it in with some kind of forensic evidence to show that there was violence towards this girl.Of the physical body, even in the United States when we try murder cases, you don't always have the physical body, but you have something else linking it in, besides in your confession. So you know, what I said before was that ten-day lapse was a problem. Evidence could have been seized, DNA, whatever. In any event, that lapse in judgment, that lapse in time, really set this investigation back. And if he doesn't break in some way, or if some forensic evidence isn't brought up at this point, I think there's going to be a serious problem. ROWLANDS: Michael Cardoza, a 17-year-old boy, nervous presumably, who changes his story a few times. Does that mean he killed this woman? CARDOZA: No. That alone, of course not, Ted. That doesn't mean he killed her. I mean, there could be all sorts of reason that a person changes their story. I mean, as you said, 17-year-old, not worldly, taken into custody, nervous, there's all sorts of explanations he could come up with. But I disagree with one thing Stacey said, you know, about the corpus delicti. And that means the crime has to be proven before you can get to a confession. That simply means you can't use a confession alone to convict someone. But the courts, and especially the Dutch law -- it's based on common law -- it's just a slight proof, very slight proof, and there may be other reasonable explanations, for example, why she's missing. Doesn't make any difference. The fact she's missing, the fact she's responsible, that one of the explanations is that she was murdered or killed in some fashion, that's enough. That would be enough to get to that confession, if you have a confession in this case. But I'll tell you what. You know, one of the things, Ted, that's crossing my mind is Joran. Remember at the beginning of this, when Mrs. Holloway-Twitty went to him and said, "Please, help me find my daughter." What was his response? "So what do you want me to do about it?" You know, that really set her off, and I can see why. This kid's a big kid. He's 6'5". He sounds a bit arrogant. He's intelligent. I'll tell you what, what he's got to worry about -- and I'm sure this has crossed a lot of people's mind -- once he gets out, if he gets out of jail, maybe somebody's going to go try to find him and cross- examine him or question him after. His life is going to be miserable after this, because there will be people that will earmark him and say, "Well, there's the guy that went after Natalee Holloway." There's the guy that has the answer. And I'll bet you somebody is going to want to question him. ROWLANDS: Paul Reynolds, is the family convinced that Joran van der Sloot is responsible here or at least knows what happened to Natalee? REYNOLDS: I can't say that we're 100 percent sure that he did something to her. We think he knows -- we think he knows what happened. There's so many factors. The night that my sister arrived there, the suspicious behavior, refusal to let them go into the house. And back on the confession. You know, what was reported is somewhat vague. But the deputy commissioner report of the Aruban Police, reported the boys were talking that Friday night. The next morning, the chief spokesperson for the minister of justice was reporting that Natalee was dead. The F.B.I. had even intimated to my sister that they thought Natalee was probably not alive based on what the boys were saying. So we're confident they were saying something. We don't know exactly what it was. Did someone stop them from talking? You know, we've a lot of questions. But we do think there's some truth there. ROWLANDS: Susan, Joran van der Sloot's father, Paul, does have the ability now to go visit his son. But prosecutors don't want that to happen. Why is that? And I guess they petitioned the court to not allow him to visit his son? CANDIOTTI: Well, it's kind of interesting, the terms under which he's being held. Now, keep in mind, the younger van der Sloot has not been charged. No one's been charged in this case.But they are allowed to keep him in custody. However, they are allowing -- this three-judge appeals panel is allowing, under protest by prosecutors, for an attorney to be present whenever he is questioned and to allow him access -- continued access to television, and to newspapers, and the like. So that's an interesting turn of events, as well, despite the best efforts by prosecutors. So it'll be interesting to see how that plays into things. But clearly, they are treating him like someone who is -- I mean, he's not charged, so theoretically he should be allowed visitors. That would happen in this country, as well. ROWLANDS: OK. Natalee Holloway has been missing for 47 days. We'll have more on the search, where it goes from here, and your phone calls when we return. You're watching LARRY KING LIVE.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)ROWLANDS: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE. I'm Ted Rowlands, sitting in tonight for Larry. Let's reintroduce our panel.Paul Reynolds, Natalee Holloway's uncle, brother of Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway-Twitty, is in Houston, Texas, tonight. Tim Miller is in Aruba. He is the director of Texas EquuSearch. It's a volunteer search-and-recovery group. They've spent weeks on Aruba trying to find any trace of Natalee Holloway.Susan Candiotti, CNN correspondent, covering the case for CNN. She is in Miami tonight. Stacy Honowitz, Florida assistant state attorney, specializing in sex crimes and child abuse cases. She is in Philadelphia. Michael Cardozo, well-known defense attorney in San Francisco tonight. And Dr. Kathy Reichs, a forensic anthropologist for the office of the chief medical examiner in the state of North Carolina, is in Dallas. Paul Reynolds, what does the family go through day by day? And how has that changed as the days have gone by?REYNOLDS: You know, we're adapting to the current news. We're taking each step of this investigation, this process very seriously. We're monitoring it. You know, we're discussing it amongst ourselves and looking for new avenues to further this case and this process. ROWLANDS: Tim Miller, EquuSearch is pulling up on Sunday heading back to Texas. I understand, however, you are not finished searching for Natalee? You are going to continue with this? TIM MILLER: No, we're not finished by any means. And you know what, we've had -- we've talked about where Natalee could possibly be. I know that she's not on this island alive. She could possibly still be on this island. If she's found in the water sometime, it's not because she got drunk, missed her plane and tried to swim home. Something has happened to Natalee. I am not convinced in any way that Natalee could possibly be alive. But anyhow, next Thursday, we are flying in the ground penetration units, one of our members is coming back. The reason we didn't do that is because a storm came in, the ground is saturated. And you know, this case is not over with. I think a good sized reward is going to be put up now. Not for Natalee's safe return, but for information on her whereabouts. And hopefully some calls will be coming in on that. We're not done by any means on the search for Natalee. Natalee needs to be found. And unfortunately, I don't think that day will ever happen. I think somebody knew what they was doing. I don't even know if these boys know where she's at. But you know what? If we don't search, there is absolutely no chance...ROWLANDS: What do you mean by that? TIM MILLER: I don't know. Something could of happened higher up with people that got more money and more influence, and stuff making sure she's not found. It just, you know, speculation or just thinking out loud, I guess. But I don't know. I mean, it's heartbreaking. I was optimistic coming to Aruba with all the resources we brought in, with everything we did that there was a chance but. But you know what, we've been here a long time and I'm really not optimistic Natalee will ever be found. But that doesn't mean we'll ever give up neither. ROWLANDS: Dr. Reichs, given Aruba's topography, a lot of sand, salt water, obviously, would that make it more difficult to garner any evidence if, indeed, a body were found or even a crime scene -- a potential crime scene? REICHS: Well, I think if the crime scene were found, then you are going to get some evidence. It's very difficult to have a crime scene and not have something there. Even in the absence of a body, you might be able to pick up in the dirts, in the dirt particles, fatty acids, the decompositional fluids from a body that had lane there, for example. You're also possibly going to have insect activity that's going to have left traces that a body is present, even if the body is not there any longer. So, if there was a shallow grave at one time, even if the body was removed from that, someone mentioned that earlier, you're probably going to find evidence it had been there at one time. So, I think there's a good probability if they're able to narrow in on a specific locale, then you can bring in the ground penetrating radar and you will be able to determine if there is something below the surface. You won't know what it is until you dig. But it's going to tell you, you've got something, that the dirt's been disturbed and there's something going on below the surface.So, I wouldn't say it's totally hopeless that you're going to find something. But with 47 days gone by, it's much more difficult. ROWLANDS: Let's take a call. Manhattan, New York. Hello. CALLER: Hi. Thank you for taking my call. I'm making the assumption that we're digging because of that concession. And I'm wondering, has anybody been -- and I haven't heard on the news -- checked the trash receptacles in all of that area, assuming that perhaps she wasn't buried that something went in the trash or a barge? ROWLANDS: Tim Miller, did you investigate that as part of your search? TIM MILLER: You know what? It's like a miracle over here, the trash receptacles are dumped every two or three days at most. So when we get in here, how much later in that. They're already dumped. I mean, we had cadaver dogs in the dump areas, in the dumps. We found some things of interest, even dove in a dump site. And so, I mean it was too little, too late. ROWLANDS: Michael Cardoza, the family has been critical that the van der Sloot's did not participate in a polygraph. If you were representing this young man, what would you do? Given the fact that the public -- you know, this family wants the answers. And it seems like -- let's assume you're representing him -- your client has some answers. Why not parade him out there, strap him up to a lie detector test and see what happens? CARDOZA: Well, I tell you what -- No. 1, polygraphs, truth detectors, lie detectors are not allowed in the courts, even down there in Aruba. They don't allow them in. So, let's say you do allow that and you say, OK, hook him up. And he passes the lie detector test. ROWLANDS: Does he walk away? CARDOZA: No, of course, they're not going to walk away. Ted, I've had cases in the United States when I was prosecuting where people passed lie detector tests. The prosecutors prosecuting the case said we don't care. We're still going forward. And they got convictions in that cases, because the polygraph doesn't come into evidence. Let's say he passes. The Aruban government would simply say so what? We're not going to look at it. It doesn't mean anything to us. There could be operator error in the case. No. 2, what if it's inconclusive? Everybody would infer from that, oh, he must have done it because it was inconclusive. Or No. 3 he flunks it. That means he did it. And somehow that filters out, it gets to the judges that hear the case and that might influence them in some way. No way a good defense attorney is going to let you anywhere near a polygraph. Ted, can I double-back a little bit on one thing? Earlier you were talking about the Holloways and and the Twitties. You know, I hope -- because they are going through something so emotional here with what appears to be the loss of a daughter. And I know they're all-consumed by this. At some point, they are really going to hit a wall. And I really hope -- I know they have a good strong family, good, strong friends, but I really hope someone has come in with some kind of psychological help to really bolster them and help them through this. Because I tell you what, when all this shuts down, they will really hit a wall. And then one other thing. When Tim was talking, when he said, you know, I'm thinking out loud about higher-ups in government. You know what could have happened here, and this is truly speculation, that Joran sells a pile of baloney to his dad, Paul, the judge. And says, look dad, it happened, but it was an accident, not my fault, we can't let this ruin my life. We've got to get rid of the body, she slipped, she fell, please help me. All of a sudden these people help get rid of the body. Maybe there is a cover-up and that snowball starts going down the hill. Here we are with that. That wouldn't surprise me in the least. ROWLANDS: All right. All speculation, unfortunately at this point, because there are no real answers as to what happened to Natalee Holloway. We will be right back. More phone calls and more on this case. You're watching LARRY KING LIVE. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)ROWLANDS: Dewey, Arizona, hello. CALLER: Yes. I had a question regarding the -- yes, early in the investigation there was some talk about the date-rape drug being used. And my question was regarding that. I thought maybe they knew that it was her last night on the island, maybe they gave her an extra heavy dose. Could you possibly die from that, from a double dose of that drug? ROWLANDS: Dr. Kathy Reichs, what do you think? GHB, I guess he's talking about. A, can you overdose and die, and B, is it in the system long enough to detect? REICHS: Well it's really a medical question. But I would imagine you can have an idiopathic reaction to any kind of drug that you are given. You can die as a result of drinking orange juice if you have a reaction to it. Would it be retained in the body? Again, that's a question for a pathologist. But it's possible that that's going to be in the body. There have been studies done on, even in the abscence of the body, again if we've got maggots -- where they're able to pick up the maggots that have the drugs that were in the corpse that were lying in a certain location. So some of that evidence may be picked up even indirectly, even if the body is in very bad condition or decomposed or compromised in some way. ROWLANDS: Dr. Reichs is in Dallas tonight, author of eight best- selling novels. Her latest is "Crossbones". Give us an example of something that has taken years in terms of finding remains and something amazing has happened in terms of solving a case. And even though 47 days have gone by, by no means, I would assume, is it over in terms of finding information from remains. REICHS: Oh, absolutely. I mean we've had cases of this just recently. Chandra Levy was missing for how long? And her skeleton finally turned up in Rock Creek Park. Laci Peterson was missing for a lengthy period of time and her body turned up in water. So -- and these, of course, are cases for the forensic anthropologists, because you've to get a lot of the information from the bones, determining how old Laci Peterson's infant was, for example, those kinds of questions fall to the anthropologists because you really can't do -- after a certain point, you really can't do what we think of as a normal autopsy because you don't have the organs, the tissues, the brains, and therefore you've got to go with what's preserved and that's the bones and the teeth. ROWLANDS: Paul Reynolds, how difficult is it to listen to people talking about finding remains and not Natalee? And has that been something that the family has gotten to because of the length of time without hearing from her? REYNOLDS: Well, of course, it's been a possibility since day one. You know, this is certainly a tragedy for our family, but it's not just our family. It's the van der Sloot family, it's the people on the island of Aruba. You know we're all suffering through this at the same time. You know we would like for the individuals that know what happened -- you know if it was an accident, and certainly it #ould have been an accident -- to come forward and let everyone know and let's all try to move forward with our lives. ROWLANDS: Taylor, Michigan, hello. CALLER: Hi. My question is for Tim Miller. ROWLANDS: Go ahead. CALLER: Hi, Tim. My heart goes out to you as well as to the Holloway family. My question is, has anyone been in or checked this abandoned well on the van der Sloot property, as well as the property itself? TIM MILLER: We've not been allowed on that property. It's one of the things that we wanted to check. And in fact, we had some equipment sent down special to do that, and, unfortunately, we've not been able to use it on that property. So -- and I think I said the other night, we wanted to do that, if we got egg on our face because nothing was there, that's fine, we can deal with that. We can wash the egg off. But you know it's, again, we want to eliminate every possibility. We've not eliminated that one. ROWLANDS: Susan, have Aruba officials looked at the van der Sloot property? And did the F.B.I. get involved at least in that part of the search? CANDIOTTI: Ted, I don't have any information about that. But you know, the thing is there has been a lot, as your callers have phoned in various questions, a lot of speculation and a lot of theories about different possibilities. For example, date-rape drug, was that used. You know we do know this. That there's been no confirmation of that and according to interviews with Natalee's friends who were with her that night -- remember the only solid information we have is that she left there in the company of van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers. And according to her friends, she seemed to be ok and told them she'd be okay leaving with him. So -- and I do know the latest information from the F.B.I. is that they're trying to be very meticulous about this and they've even gone to the length of going back and interviewing, re-interviewing her friends back in Alabama to try to look for just any possible clues about her state of mind, the way she thinks, the way she might act on that night, to try to look for anything that could help lead to, perhaps questions that could be asked, additional questions that maybe haven't been asked before. ROWLANDS: All right. We are going to take a quick break. We'll get to that, I think that was Stacy, we'll get to that in a bit. Before we go to break, we want to repeat the fact that LARRY KING LIVE has extended standing invitations to Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers as well as their attorneys and family members to appear on the show. So far, those invitations have not been accepted. The prosecutors office on Aruba is not doing media interviews at this time. We'll be right back. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)ROWLANDS: Stacy Honowitz, you wanted to say something before we went to break there? HONOWITZ: Yes, Ted. We were talking earlier, Susan was talking about, GHB and one of the callers talked about maybe it was a date-rape drug. You know, the problem is even if you go back and you re- interview these friends. She might have been fine when she left the bar, everybody might have seen her in good condition, and something could have happened afterwards. In other words, they might have slipped her a drug afterwards in the drink. So we don't know.But I think that the most frustrating thing for everybody listening to all of this is the fact that over in Aruba, all of the hearings are closed. We're not privy to any information. Nobody knows if any information has been shared. Nobody know how much the F.B.I. is involved, if the F.B.I. has been helping in the search, where are they searching. And I think that's where most of the viewers and the callers are concerned, because we're speculating. We have all these theories because we don't know anything that's going on over there. And there's one questions I wanted to ask Tim, was earlier he said that he met, when he first went over there, he met with the sergeant or lieutenant of the Arubian (sic) Police force. I would like to know, as I'm sure other people want to know, is if that Police force, did she share any information with him as far as where they searched or what they did or how far along in the investigation they were so that he wasn't wasting his time and looking in the same places that they might have -- well, it's not wasting time, but going back to the same areas where maybe they went already? ROWLANDS: Tim? TIM MILLER: A lot of that information wasn't shared. I know that he mapped out areas for us that he wanted us to search. So I don't know -- to this day, I don't know really what was searched before we got here. I know we searched as much as we could search. I know we searched places three and four times, because we know how easy it is to miss stuff. But, I don't know what they did before we got here. I'm sorry. ROWLANDS: We should mention that EquuSearch is dedicated to the memory of Tim's daughter, Laura, who was abducted and murdered in 1984. I know, Tim, in a news conference earlier this week, I don't know if it was Wednesday or Tuesday, you sort of broke down a bit when talking about this case and your frustration over it. Does your daughter come to mind as you search for Natalee? TIM MILLER: Do you know what, there's no way possible I could of done this within the first ten years after Laura's death. I had to go through that grieving process. God certainly blessed me in the healing process, so I can help these other families. And I know what we're saying what is going on here in Aruba on this case. But, you know, I didn't have any more help in Lake City, Texas when my own daughter disappeared. And we can go to the Lake City Police Department's Web site today and there are three girls there, Laura, Heidi and another girl that's not even on their Web site on their unsolved murders. So, you know, I don't know I'm getting any more cooperation at home than we're getting here. So, you know what? We've got a big problem in America also -- so let's don't just focus on one thing. ROWLANDS: Naples, Florida, hello. CALLER: Yes, good evening. My question is to the family. Have they thought of last resort hiring a psychic detective? And for Mr. Miller, has he looked into those case (ph) in Aruba? Because I'm feeling that maybe they put her in there. TIM MILLER: Have we looked where? I'm sorry. ROWLANDS: I didn't catch that. I don't know. Paul, she sort of directed it towards you. Did you catch what she was saying? REYNOLDS: Yes, I did. About the psychics -- and I know that there were conversations with several different psychics trying to get some ideas from them. You know, I don't know that we've been able to, you know, confirm any of the information or you know, hasn't led us to her yet, but certainly we've talked to them through this process. ROWLANDS: Information very difficult to get out of Aruba. We'll talk about the frustration, not only for the family but for everybody covering this case. We'll talk to Susan about that when we return. Natalee Holloway missing now for 47 days. We'll have more. You're watching LARRY KING LIVE. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)ROWLANDS: Susan Candiotti, how frustrating is it to cover a story where nothing is really on the public record and it seems like both sides have clammed up -- or all sides? CANDIOTTI: Well, Ted, I'm sure you can appreciate this, good thing you have sources, right? Because you get them to tell you information that normally you wouldn't be able to. But some of the problems, according to correspondents who are there on the island, remember the hearings are closed there under that system of justice, and so, technically, you find out whatever it is you're going to find out once the authorities come out and make a public statement. Also, for example, in the United States, when you file a search warrant, oftentimes there is return of the search warrant filed and you can find out the kinds of things that authorities are locating, retrieving from houses, from cars, that kind of thing. ROWLANDS: Right. CANDIOTTI: If it isn't sealed, of course. So, that's why you have to rely more and more on getting to know people, getting them to talk to you for the record but on background. ROWLANDS: Tough to confirm anything. Paul Reynolds, what does the family find out from Investigators? Do they brief the family as to the progress, or is it as difficult for you to get information?
REYNOLDS: It's the same for us. Getting any information is very difficult. But it's the things that we do find out about from the FBI, the frustration, the way they've held back EquuSearch, the things that we know about that aren't handled, we think appropriately, what does that tell us about the things we don't know about? ROWLANDS: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, hello. CALLER: Hello. I was just wondering, with the fishermen, they said they didn't see anybody on the beach. Did they investigate the fishermen? And did they have a boat? ROWLANDS: Susan? Do you know anything about that? CANDIOTTI: Yes. According to our Karl Penhaul, our correspondent who has been based there covering this from the beginning, indeed, the authorities have interviewed the fishermen. They were out there, told the authorities that during the time frame when the van der Sloot boy said that he was there with Natalee, at least for a time, they saw no activity for hours during the time those fishermen were there. So that seems to indicate certainly an inconsistency -- yet another inconsistency on the kind of information that's coming in. ROWLANDS: Stacey Honowitz, quickly, we don't have a lot of time, if you were in this situation, you don't have a lot of information, you have a sneaky suspicion that this young man knows more, what did you do? HONOWITZ: Well, I get my best people in there to try to get him to talk. That's the first thing. And second of all, I think maybe in a case like this, the reward system might work, because maybe he's -- in those ten days that he was out, maybe he spoke to people, maybe he bragged to somebody about what happened. Maybe by getting the reward system, because we see we're stuck, we're not going anywhere on this investigation, maybe you can get people to come forward and talk about something that they know. But right now, where this investigation is, with all of the inconsistent statements that have been going on, obviously, these judges, unanimously found that he is of high suspicion in this case, and hopefully from here on in we will more information, some more forensic evidence and maybe, we're going to have a resolution in this case. But right now, I'd get in my best Investigators to try to talk to him and really ask around the island. ROWLANDS: It has been 47 days and still not a lot as far as what happened to Natalee Holloway.



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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, live to Aruba. Divers focus on the waters just outside that Marriott Hotel. Is time running out for 18-year- old Natalee Holloway's family? And are Aruban Police giving the FBI the cold shoulder? Just one of the three suspects behind bars tonight.
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But first, live to Aruba. One suspect, a judge's 17-year-old son, remains behind bars in connection with Natalee's disappearance. And tonight, we are asking, why are Aruban authorities freezing out the FBI on the case? Tonight, in Aruba, Natalee's mom, Beth Holloway Twitty and the director of the EquuSearch team, Tim Miller, still searching for Natalee; in Denver, defense attorney Lisa Wayne; in New York, defense attorney Alan Ripka and psychotherapist Caryn Stark. But first, let's go down to CNN correspondent on the case in Aruba, Susan Candiotti. Welcome, Susan. Bring me up-to-date. SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Nancy. Well, certainly, there's a lot of frustration all around here by the family, by authorities, certainly by the residents of that island. Everyone wanting to find Natalee Holloway. And from all accounts, there is said to be good cooperation among all the Investigators. However, something rather curious. I'm hearing from a law enforcement source close to the investigation that the FBI, who has been there from the start at the invitation of Aruban authorities -- FBI has been asking for access to interviews, to evidence, to various materials that have been gathered along the way, has asked for it on more than one occasion. And yet, they have been denied access to that information for review, as it's been explained to me, give it some fresh perspective, for example. Also, I've learned, according to the same source close to the investigation, that, for example, the FBI has provided a profiler along the way, as has the Dutch, and has given advice, among other things, on how to interview, for example, Joran van der Sloot , the 17-year-old son of the judge, and certain techniques. That advice, I'm told, has not been accepted or utilized by the FBI. Now, how do we know this? Well, we know that the FBI has been allowed to observe interrogations and interviews. They have been able to observe searches. Primarily, they're not -- I've been told not been able to enter residences, participate in the arrests, which is probably not surprising. GRACE: Susan, Susan, Susan, hold on. Take a look at the monitor, if you can see it, Susan. I'm not an FBI agent, but I know this much. You don't handcuff two co-defendants together that you're trying to keep separate so they gel their stories perfectly. Speaking of the way the defendants are treated, there's a perfect example for the whole world to see. CANDIOTTI: Well, certainly, you've had comments on that leading up to this, because you've seen this for quite some time now. And there are those who obviously don't agree with that way of doing things. But you know, we've talked to a spokesperson for the government. We've talked to, and perhaps more importantly, a spokesperson for the prosecutor's office to try to get a response to this. And they are stressing only the cooperation, which no one disputes that there is a rapport that they're working together. But we couldn't get a clear-cut answer on why it is that the FBI has not been provided access to review these materials, other than, "Well, we discuss things, and we decided not to." And also, they've been told that they can't have access to it because, as I understand it, the local rules do not permit it. GRACE: Speaking of diving, also, Susan Candiotti, I understand there were divers near the Marriott Hotel today? CANDIOTTI: Well, my information is that -- and perhaps your guest there from the Texas company can confirm this -- that a barrel was found floating somewhat near the Marriott. And it was brought to the attention of the authorities -- I'm told the FBI was also made aware of this -- but went nowhere. It was described to me as being highly corroded, and had some old cement in it. I am told that on the island there is an old oil refinery. So it's not uncommon to find these barrels floating around. In fact, it was suggested it might have even been an old buoy from the area. Bu that went nowhere. GRACE: Let me go to Natalee's mother. Beth Holloway Twitty is with us tonight. As you can see, she is not giving up on the search for her daughter. She's handing out there handing out flyers, she's appearing on TV practically on a nightly basis, begging for help regarding her daughter. Ms. Twitty, thank you for being with us. What do you make of inviting the FBI down to help and then giving them the cold shoulder, not sharing any files, not letting them help with questioning of any of the suspects? BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: You know, Nancy, it's really difficult for me to comment on that and to speak, you know, on behalf of the FBI. You know, I know there are some areas that we've been concerned about. And, you know, as far as denied certain participation in it, you know, Nancy, I'm just going to have to let them address that. I just cannot get involved in that. GRACE: You know what, Ms. -- Beth Holloway Twitty is with us tonight. It's Natalee's mother. She spoke out against the release of the Kalpoe brothers. After that, she was basically attacked by some of the Aruban people verbally, of course, demanding an apology, decrying her. Ms. Twitty, I thought that was entirely wrong, but I respect what you did, making that apology. I know you want to keep it smooth with the people in Aruba to continue getting their cooperation. TWITTY: Well, Nancy, you know, my heart does go out to the Aruban citizens. And I realize -- you know, as I'm watching that barrel being extracted from the beach today, this is just an all-around just tragic and terrible ordeal that we are all going through. And, you know, I think at that point, there was just such a huge frustration level for myself and for everyone involved, I just think that was just probably inevitable that was going to happen. And, you know, it's just -- it's been so difficult, Nancy. GRACE: I want to go to Tim Miller with EquuSearch. He's there on his own dime, still looking for Natalee Holloway. Tim Miller, could you tell us where the search is headed now? TIM MILLER, EQUUSEARCH WORKER: Well, you know what? We've covered a lot of stuff, Nancy. The barrel today was something that information was given out to, and Natalee's dad asked to us check that out. I think the authorities were notified a couple days ago. And so we went and checked it out. And we spent about three hours on that thing getting it in. It wasn't floating, by no means. I mean, it was at the bottom. It was nearly all the way under the water. GRACE: How did you find it, Tim? How did you find it? MILLER: Well, we got a -- we had an idea where it was at. And then we sent the divers out there and stuff, and then they located it. We knew that concrete was in it. After that storm came in today, it was -- the water was real murky. It wasn`t as clear as it normally is. So we felt as though we had to bring it out. I mean, I'd have felt very bad if we wouldn't have done that. I mean, we tried to uncover every rock on this island since we've been here. GRACE: Tim, are Aruban authorities helping in your search? MILLER: You know what? We've not had any problems with them. They have helped us. You know, as far as the Marines coming and us working together and stuff like that, that did not happen. I think we're getting as much support from them as we can get. I mean, nobody knows...GRACE: But what are they doing? What are they doing to help you? MILLER: They've given us areas that they wanted us to search. They've given us some information, and they always say, "The area I'm sending you to is part of the investigation."GRACE: So that's how they've helped you, by telling you where to go search? MILLER: Yes, they've told us -- yes, they've told us where to search. GRACE: Anything else they've done?MILLER: Hold on, my earpiece is coming out. I know that they're doing the best they can do on their investigation. And, you know, anybody -- and I'm standing beside Beth right now, and I'm sure she's not going to appreciate this -- but any investigation when you've got a missing child, nothing can be done right enough. I mean, I'm still upset with the authorities in America on my own daughter. My own daughter is not even on the Web site along with two other girls in Lake City on unsolved murders there. So you know, all we can do is the best that we can do, the best we have to work with, and continue this search and try and bring Natalee home. GRACE: Very quickly back to Beth Holloway Twitty, Natalee's mother, when you first saw Joran van der Sloot `s father, the so-called judge there in Aruba, what happened? TWITTY: You know, the first night that I was -- I wouldn't called it had a meeting with him, but that was in his presence, was on May 31st around 3:00 a.m. And we didn't have a conversation at that time. He only approached the vehicle that I was seated in. The first time we had a conversation, of course, was when I went to his home and spent 90 minutes there. And, you know, Nancy, the one thing that I would wish for is that he would step up, and step up, and we've had this -- we had a great investigative tool here, this voice analysis system. It would have just been a huge burden relieved of him if he would have stepped forward, had this voice analysis done. And you know, we wouldn't still be where we are, we feel, if he would have done that. And that always saddens me that he couldn't do that. GRACE: Well, Beth, have any of these people agreed to take a polygraph to clear themselves? TWITTY: Absolutely not, to my knowledge, Nancy. And that would really, I think, help. I know it's not admissible in court, but you know, it would certainly be an excellent investigative tool. And I cannot see why we did not utilize it. GRACE: With me there in Aruba, Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty. Also with us, the leader of Texas EquuSearch, a group of specialists that flew down to Aruba on their own dime, today diving outside the Marriott where Natalee may have been, the last night she was seen. We'll all be right back. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I would like to apologize to the Aruban people and the Aruban authorities if I or my family offended you in any way. It was never my intention to do so. And as the Aruban people, they have been extremely kind and generous and especially supportive of myself and my family during this tragedy. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: That is Natalee Holloway's mother. She has been in Aruba since her daughter went missing, fighting every day to bring her girl home, to find her. When she criticized part of the investigation, she was attacked verbally there in Aruba. She's there everyday looking house-to-house, literally looking for her daughter, and then had to give that apology to Aruban citizens. Very quickly to Susan Candiotti, Susan, what has become of Aruban tourism? CANDIOTTI: What has the what, Nancy? I'm sorry...(CROSSTALK) GRACE: Aruban tourism. . CANDIOTTI: The effect on it? GRACE: Yes. CANDIOTTI: Well, according to them down there, they seem to -- I think by showing, by putting their best foot forward, to show that they're trying to find Natalee, there is the hope that there will not have -- there will not be a detrimental effect on tourism. I certainly -- we still hear about people going down there. We're not hearing of anyone canceling their plans for their trips. I'm sure that may be happening. But overall, I think they feel as though, because they are trying to show the world that they're trying to do the best they can to find her, that there won't be any ill effect. GRACE: Alan Ripka, let's get real, all right? You're on the other side of the fence from me. There's no two ways about it, you and Lisa Wayne. You're defense lawyers; I'm a former prosecutor. But let's just look at the way this investigation has gone, all right? There was an alleged confession, and they said no, that didn't happen. Then they said that they had found blood in -- blood, possibly Natalee's. No, it turned out to be a dog's blood. Today, we learned they found bones. Guess what? It was a donkey's bones. They didn't seize the car Natalee had been in. They lost precious time. They are not getting records from cell phones, doing wire taps, nothing. It's been one bungle after the next, Alan. ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, that may be true, but apparently, even with those bungles, they do not have enough evidence, nor have they found enough evidence, to hold -- excuse me, not to hold but to prosecute these people for this murder. GRACE: Well, hold on. The judge's son's still behind bars. RIPKA: Well, he may still be behind bars, but we haven't heard of any evidence, other than some light suspicion that's going to connect him to this murder or get them a conviction in this crime. GRACE: Well, I don't know about you, Beth Holloway Twitty, but when someone changes their story somewhere between nine and 15 times, it seems to me they're hiding something. TWITTY: Oh, Nancy, I mean, absolutely. I mean, you should never have to change your story, never. Absolutely.GRACE: You know? I agree. And Lisa Wayne, here's the reality. When you've got a defendant or suspect -- that you're seeing video of the search for Natalee Holloway right now for any clue there along the beach -- Lisa Wayne, say you've got a guy behind bars under suspicion.And he adds to his story, OK, that's not that unusual. The more you think about something that happened, you may want to add some facts that you recall. But to downright change your story, Lisa Wayne, it stinks. I can smell it a thousand miles away. LISA WAYNE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: And we're at a disadvantage, Nancy, because we don't know exactly what the changes are to. I mean, if the changes are over time to little things, it doesn't matter. If it's to a real issue or something that really pertains to where she is, what's happened to Natalee, then that is a bigger deal. And it appears -- we just don't know where the consistencies are. Are they to little things or to big things that ultimately make a difference in this case? We're speculating. We aren't privy to what's going on. GRACE: I know a few of them. I know a few of the inconsistencies, Lisa. Take a listen to this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) CHRIS LEJUEZ, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: It's the burden of proof during this pretrial detention. Of course, if you go to trial, the burden of proof would be much higher. There you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt to a trial judge that the crime has been committed and that this person has committed that crime. That's a much higher burden of proof. Right now, to keep someone in pretrial detention, much lower burden of proof is sufficient. (END VIDEO CLIP) GRACE: Here in the studio with me, psychologist, psychotherapist Caryn Stark. These are a few of the discrepancies in van der Sloot 's story that we know of. First of all, he and the Kalpoe brothers cooked up the story that they had all three dropped Natalee off at Holiday Inn where she was staying, watched her walk in, stumble, and then two black security guards came to assist her and they drove off, and never saw her again. That led to the wrongful arrest of two black security guards that had nothing to do with this case. Then van der Sloot changed his story to he left her alone at the beach at around 3:00 a.m. She decided she wanted to be alone, and he left her out there. Then he stated he left her at the Marriott. So far, I know of three different major inconsistencies. CARYN STARK, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: And that's so indicative of someone who's culpable, Nancy. We really have to suspect that something is wrong with this man because he keeps changing his story to fit the situation. So when one doesn't work, he changes it to fit another. And that is very characteristic of someone who is capable of committing a crime, to lie. GRACE: Is it true, Susan Candiotti, reports came to the states that van der Sloot 's father said, "No body, no case"? CANDIOTTI: Yes, I mean, that's what we're hearing from our sources and have heard that for quite some time now repeatedly. Remember, they had that time period where they hadn't been picked up. So there would have been an opportunity for the father to get together with his son, naturally, and the Kalpoe brothers to have a discussion. GRACE: There he is, Susan.CANDIOTTI: And that's what we have heard was said. GRACE: That's really a better shot of his rear end, as I always say, because he runs whenever anybody asks him a question. Beth Holloway Twitty, I think Susan's right. What do you know of the judge telling his son, "No body, no case"? TWITTY: You know, I think that I had heard that -- I think that came off maybe a Dutch television program. I'm not certain of that, Nancy. But, of course, that is a huge concern of mine, because I go back to the beginning of the investigation. And, you know, I think of what the -- all four of the individuals are involved in, when you're involved in obstruction of justice, and lying to authorities, and implicating innocent people. I mean, I certainly wish those were enforceable laws to some degree, because I feel that all four of those were occurring early on. GRACE: With us is Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty. Tim Miller, the leader of EquuSearch there trying to find Natalee, and of course CNN's Susan Candiotti. She's been on the case from the get-go. We extended invitations to the families of Joran van der Sloot , the Kalpoe brothers. They declined to speak. The prosecution's keeping their cards close to the vest, as well, tonight.
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Breaking news tonight in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway. Today, a judge orders a fellow judge's son to stay behind bars, while the Kalpoe brothers walk free.Van der Sloot allegedly telling his son, No body no case.In the States, you can still try a case if you've got evidence.We're more acquainted with his backside.